Latest: CNLU Patna hunger strikers wait for CM, allege recruitment whitewash

CNLU Patna (not during the strike)
CNLU Patna (not during the strike)
“)Exclusive: The CNLU Patna hunger strike has entered its third day as protesting students demand a meeting with Bihar’s chief minister (CM) hoping to improve the placement process for future batches.

Eleven students from CNLU’s first passing-out batch have been on a hunger strike, as reported yesterday, with others extending full support by appearing in large number at the campus.

“Some students have started hunger strike also, but once the chief minister grants a meeting they will stop,” confirmed CNLU vice chancellor A Lakshminath.

“The final year students having passed out in the month of May and June wanted some placements and we are trying our best to invite companies and they have promised to come either this week or next week,” he told Legally India.

“Every effort is being made by the university to make sure placements happen and companies will be coming. Some have even finalised their dates of visiting the campus, we’re also trying for placements with companies within Bihar also. We are contacting industries and associations like All India Reporter,” he added.

“The situation should improve but basically their demand is to meet the chief minister and he may grant a meeting depending on his convenience.”

Rahul Anand, who is one of the students sitting on hunger strike, said: “We are on protest because not even a single company or law firm has visited college for placement and our college administration told the state government that all 80 students have been placed.”

The agitation started after a group of four students including Anand met the chief minister Nitish Kumar during his weekly janta darbar.

“The chief minister told us that he has information that all the students have been placed and the VC is trying now to place the fourth yr students,” said Anand. “But the fact is that not even a single company has visited CNLU and not even a single student has been placed anywhere in India.”

According to Anand, the students waited for a few days after taking to the CM, but on Monday this week they decided to commence a strike demanding for the CM to visit the college and see for himself that no students from a batch size of 80 was placed.

“As a part of protests the students blocked the administrative activities in the college while the academic activities have not been hampered,” added Anand.

Anand further said that the students tried on their own to get in touch with law firms but received no positive response as they had started late in February. The reason for the delay in initiating the process was lack of co-ordination with the college authorities who had otherwise assured of inviting companies for placements.

One student commented that one member of the college authorities had claimed “this is Bihar and no one wants to come to Bihar”.

Chanakya National Law University (CNLU) in Patna was founded in 2006.

The college was rapped by the Bar Council of India (BCI) in September 2010 for not having “minimum standards required under the rules”, threatening derecognition of the college in the absence of a response.

Comments

Anonymous guest 20 Apr 2011, 23:03
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BUt the scene is different in RGNUL, Patiala, Punjab. In our University also the first batch is passing out this semester and already 10 people got placed on their own and some even are in talks with top companies and law firms. And with campus placements still to happen nobody knows what the final stats will be. Plus few students even got admission to oxford and other prestigious universities for LLM
Anonymous guest 20 Apr 2011, 23:35
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This is not surprising as the sheer number of "national" law schools that have mushroomed over the past 5-6 years is mind-blowing. Frankly, there arent that many number of legal jobs...
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 00:36
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placement are on students caliber not VC
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 00:49
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"One student commented that one member of the college authorities had claimed “this is Bihar and no one wants to come to Bihar”."

Exactly. This is also a problem faced by HNLU. Any new NLU should be set up either in a metro city or a city with a good airport with frequent flight connections all over India. Otherwise recuiters will not come.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 02:12
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@ #3- i knew your 'caliber'when i saw your comment.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 02:22
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At #4: this is not the truth friend as the other institutions like CIMP, BIT(Patna), NIT(Patna) have got campus placements. So, it doesn't depend on the fact that 'no one wants to come to bihar. Its a rubbish and baseless argument.
At #3: getting placements by one's own calibre is good, but that doesn't mean that the so called NLUs have no responsibilities of getting their students placed by allowing or calling companies or law firms to the campus. If this will be the scenario, then why a student will invest suuch a huge amount of money for studying law at NLUs and not at some other law colleges.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 03:06
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At #1: My dear friend, so called 10 self placements is indeed a good presentation of so called calibre, but had that been the only purpose you are studying in an NLU, then this purpose could have been well sufficed by studying in any college other than NLU, and the concept of placements would be merely something useless as according to you......and so far as your stats are concerned that is not even 1/3, 1/4 but 1/8th, so there is nothing to boast about.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 03:25
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Being a student of a National Law School myself.

It is sad to see this happen to another NLU.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 03:32
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Another tell tale to show that a National Law School tag is no longer a guarantee !!
Hope things are resolved soon. Good luck to them all.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 04:19
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This is a problem that is faced by a lot of NLU's in India. Government should make sure that they take active role in development of these universities. I think it should be shifted to the Ministry of HRD for its betterment and the future of the students. After all if they are competing in a national level entrance test then why shall there be no Union Govt support? Moreover people get drifted by a matter of 2 3 marks and that shall not create such big disparities in their futures.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 04:59
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People, there are a lot o good students in CNLU, >> I think the college should have an an active placement committee and they must play a key role in calling the companies.. if no companies turn up how can u exactly judge the students..i thnk the college plays an immense role in this factor... there is no shortage of jobs or lack of talented ppl>>... itzz nly the case of a lackluster administration which runs the college........ i thnk the VC should resign and so too the registrar....... they should simply be shown the exit..
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 05:44
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@ #3: dude, do post your CV here..so that we get to know your caliber.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 06:13
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Public protests like this is going to tarnish the image of the uni and is going to further alienate recruiters. Just pause for a moment and think would a managing partner of a reputed law firm come to CNLU when he knows that the students are coming from a 'millitant' union/movement background, most law firms would want docile, malleable yet super intelligent students. Also remember that HNLU had a tough time in placements last year after after agitation of 2009.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 09:29
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Only NUJS, NLS and NALSAR are truly reputable and established national law schools.
Jodhpur and Bhopal are getting there, and are extremely prestigious too.
However, in case of the rest, including RGNUL( having visited the place), one needs to wait a while for results. At the end of the day, they are govt. sponsored.
In that case, private law schools have a better rate of placement, considering 10 people from RGNUL got placed with law firms. Nothing to boast of. Where I am, half the college s here on domicile, and only the other half is meritable, however, I know for sure that atleast 70% will get placed when I pass out. The college secures everybody with great internships every year as it is- including the duffers.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 09:42
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#13...
thanks a lot. so good of your knowledge to refer students who are demanding their due as militants.
but don't worry dude since this is a "no win no loss" situation, it is even more emboldening.
unlike your opinion let me tell you a tarnished image is no more a concern.
it is demand of this crisis.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 14:15
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I am afraid that the students in CNLU have got how the placement process works in other law schools slightly wrong. I say this because the placements depend on the student placement committee and not the college administration or VC (or the CM for that matter). As part of the recruitment committee in one of the top 3 law schools – I can safely assure you that the administration's role is limited to meeting the interviewers when they arrive on campus to say generic things like "great batch"/"hardworking students" and offer them tea and snacks. That's it. The process is completely student-funded and student-managed. The only reason I see for blaming the administration is if they in fact got involved in the process (which I believe is the case in some of the non-NLS's).

As for CNLU – I think it is undeniable that being located in Patna is a huge liability, albeit not insurmountable, but something that all the students signing up to study there were aware of. The placement committee will have to make it worth the while of the Luthras, Shroffs and Zias to come out there. This is naturally going to be a tough task to achieve in the first year of recruitment and therefore the placement committee should perhaps aim for something more realistic (PSU's?). They could also structure the process to make it more attractive (i.e. start it earlier than the other law schools, reassure recruiters that once an offer is accepted the student will not be allowed to sit for further interviews etc). This will help differentiate them from other law schools in the same tier.

It's probably a huge waste of energy for students to demand this-that-and the other from the administration or the CM (and obviously does nothing to attract corporates/firms who want drones and not political activists!) rather than channelling it towards building their stature and processes to ensure that 5 years on, even the legal fatcats think a trip to Patna may just be worth it.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 18:42
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+1 to #16's comment!

the job of placing students is, and necessarily should be, student run. you cannot give such a huge responsibility to the college admin, which take my word, is pathetic in almost all law schools. (barring a few exceptions ofcourse... ranbir singh's name comes to mind)

i appreciate the argument that a new university, with zero student or alumni clout, would need admin support to place its first few batches. but the little knowledge i have of the history of my law school suggests that the initial batches of NALSAR, NUJS, or NLS didnt get their CM's support for placements either. heck, when these schools were set up, the politicians and the general public could have cared less!

its legitimate to protest against nepotism, or corruption, or non-existent infrastructure. but a hunger-strike 2 weeks before the end of term, 'demanding' placements from the chief minister doesnt sound ethical in my opinion.

why didn't the outgoing batch protest and make noise 6 months back? when the people-in-power could actually have pulled some strings and asked PSUs and bank companies to visit the campus.

it seems there's lack of foresight and planning for their future on the part of CNLU students as well... i mean, if there's one law school that is the most disadvantaged geographically, then it has to be HNLU! but even those guys managed to secure jobs for more students...

the whole situation is pretty sad actually. the only long term solution i can think of is to bring in all national law schools under the union HRD ministry a-la the IITs and NITs and NIFTs and IIMs... that's the *only* way to maintain some sort of parity and uniformity in the quality of legal education imparted in the country. but that'd require the law schools in general and the student communities in particular, to come together and raise a concerted demand for the same... but that seems like a pipe-dream looking at the amount of vitriol spewed on these forums.

just my 2 cents. now back to due diligence!
Mousehunt 5 Jun 2013, 20:16
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tsk, tsk. Such touching faith in MHRD which has moved from blunder to blunder may be highly misplaced. the iits and iims do well DESPITE the govt meddling, not because of.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 20:52
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what on earth were the students doing for the last 5 years? instead of creating such hullabaloo why don't they contact the firms where they have interned on an individual level? I am sure something will work out..some of the students over there are really brilliant (having interned with a few of them).
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 21:03
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Its very strange. RGNUL, RMLNLU & CNLU all started together in 2006 but the scene is so drastic in 2011. While CNLU is worst hit, RGNUL has lately managed well. Through with few job prospects, still it coming fine. On the other hand, rise Of RMLNLU is extra ordinary. Be it moots, publications and other such events they have excelled all fields. AMSS rectuited two students from RMLNLU this year and other top firms, banks and MNCs are lined up. Few students have even joined High courts as court clerks. Quite a show considering their bad committee management and early stage of development.
Anonymous guest 21 Apr 2011, 22:43
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RGNUL's outperformed RMLNLU in moots. As to publications and placements students at RGNUL have better publications and placements, with 7 to 8 students receiving PPOs, albeit in not-so-good law firms.
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 01:58
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in which world has RMLNLU outperformed RGNUL in moots/publications/placements? the performance in moots is there for everyone to see courtsey MPL. buddy you've got no idea as to the extent of publications of RGNULites. pick up any decent Indian law journal, and I am sure you shall find some or the other contribution from us. atleast 20% of our first batch is going for higher studies abroad, in universities which include oxford and NYU (which is remarkable for the very first batch of an ultra new law school). we don't have anything against RMLNLU, it has a brilliant infrastructure, but perhaps that is the only aspect in which it is ahead of RGNUL. the kind of performance we have given, despite being cursed with a very ordinary infra and a deplorable first V.C, speaks volumes of our efforts. but fortunately we are being led by an able administrator in Prof. Jaswal now, and things are surely looking upwards.
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 04:53
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DNT PLAY WID THEIR CAREER , , THEY ARE ACTUALLY BRIGHT STUDENTS ,WE WID U GYZ - ABHINAV
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 14:35
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@19 - Don't flatter yourself mate, u haven't outperformed CNLU by any stretch of imagination. barring a stetson finals made by you all, comparing moot results wouldn't be a great idea. Apart from this, internships and publications - we are as good as any of you all can get.

@21 - Dude, seriously RGNUL performing better than CNLU? The more i try, the more i cant agree. This in no way means we disrespect your institution, but when it comes to accolades - for want of a better word, you people are lagging, and that would be putting it mildly.
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 14:46
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hope this incident open the eyes of all great men who pretend to be asleep. For God's sake understand that law is a professional course first. U join law essentially for a JOB! More so, when u join one of the cream law schools. Management has to respect their duty of doing every possible thing to fetch jobs for those who join with dreams of fulfilling professional ambitions... The country doesn't produce too many Madhava Menons, Mohan Gopals, Mitras etc. who know the skill. But still we can't have confused VCs feeling education alone is the ultimate objective of National law schools! Even kolkata and gujarat have undergone VCs who were primarily interested in their international law article writing! Wake up great men....
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 21:03
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phir se shuru ho gaya wo purana nautanki! RMLNLU v. RGNUL v. CNLU..bhai claiming to have outperformed each other in legally india won't prove anything..bahar ja get a job..get a life..ultimately jo jaha rahega in his or her life usi se prove ho jayega who has outperformed whom
Anonymous guest 22 Apr 2011, 23:23
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So the budding lawyers in Patna (provided they pass the bar exam) are on a hunger strike. Ho hum. That's the current fad. So probably could be excused.

Before sending an SOS to the CM, these students should have tried to get into a few well-known firms or some of the better PSUs. It takes time to create credibility and reputation. Hard work. No short-cut to success. And please, there is no entitlement to a job (except maybe Rahul Gandhi, who said he could become PM when he was 26).

No wailing cries to the CM. Or the PM. Or the DM. If you haven't got a job yet, maybe you could go and do an LLM.

One little puzzle though: given that Bihar's CM has an excellent brand equity for his sound governance and modernizing policies - much more after his resounding election victory - it's a bit surprising that none of the corporates and the metro crowd want to go to Bihar. What I hear is that people are crowding at the gates looking for opportunities to invest.

This brings us back to the earlier argument: reputation, whether good or bad, takes time to build - and undo. And Bihar's will take some time. More so when there are so many other NLUs to choose from. (How about joining LPOs?).
Anonymous guest 23 Apr 2011, 01:45
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@26:
Fad? Hunger strike a "fad" did you say? Dude, have u got any idea what it means to be on a hunger strike for 5 consecutive days? And what level of frustration could be behind taking a measure as drastic as that! We are talking about careers here..not what the fad is and whats not. This has been resorted to because all other options were completely exhausted. But,people like you wont ever get. It seems fun to watch this stuff on tv, try it someday! Shall make u understand perhaps.
And, the " wailing cries" in front of the CM aren’t for the cause of placements alone(though they do remain the major issue). Its imperative to let the CM know what’s cooking at the institution that he bills to be his "Dream project", what a disaster the management of cnlu is. The reason why telling the CM is important is that there is definite reason to believe that he will take action! He is not known for taking initiative for nuts. The guy would improve the condition here , provided he comes to KNOW about them! And that, is the ultimate objective.
Anonymous guest 24 Apr 2011, 05:55
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I can't believe there's a CNLU v. RGNUL happening. Honestly, no one's heard of you. So chill, coz you both suck.
And RMLNLU, seriously?
Anonymous guest 24 Apr 2011, 06:44
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@ 28
yeah comparing these universities with NALSAR now wouldnt be a great idea. wait till we get the same amount of time. And as far as the arrogance in your comment goes,i am pretty sure you would be one of those people who brag on the basis of their brand name, and not on their own merit...something like tending to glorifying yourself on someone else's laurels. what i meant here is *BUZZ OFF*
Anonymous guest 24 Apr 2011, 20:10
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I am sure 28 was not a Nalsarite. More often than not it is people from one of those universities battling it out in the slug fest who assume the name of a neutral university to comment something with the locus standi being "Holier than thou".
I am sure all law schools have won laurels in won field or the other. Some being a bit ahead of others.
Hope you guys at CNLU see a better day soon.
Do not think everyone who says he is a Nalsarite and posts something arrogant is an actual Nalsarite. I am an actual one, btw.
- Chota Gold Flake, Nalsar (sometimes also known as Classic Regular)