MP Meenakshi Lekhi to introduce ‘nationalise NLU bill’ in Lok Sabha tomorrow

Could nationalised NLUs actually become a reality?
Could nationalised NLUs actually become a reality?

BJP Member of Parliament and advocate Meenakshi Lekhi is to introduce a private member’s bill in the Lok Sabha tomorrow, entitled… wait for it… the National Law Universities Bill 2019.

According to the list of business for 6 December 2019 (PDF, page 22), Lekhi has moved for leave to introduce the bill that would “provide for the transfer of administration and management of all National Law Universities to Central Government”.

Thanks to a dear reader for pointing us to the item.

At this point, there are perhaps some of these random points worth pondering over:

  1. The law ministry has at least twice stated that it has no plans (or apparent interest) to nationalise NLUs.
  2. In 2016, a student from DSNLU Vizag had drafted the National Law Universities Bill 2016, which had also been introduced in Lok Sabha (but floundered there).
  3. Since then, a (mostly digitally) vocal section of law students has long been clamouring for NLUs to be taken over by the Centre, supported by occasional student bodies, but clearly the idea has been catching on.
  4. Private bills usually have only very small odds of ever making it through.
  5. A takeover by the Centre could potentially provide more funding for NLUs, and stop them from being a state-level political football. But it’s also worth asking at this point whether it’s possible the cure could be worse than the disease?
  6. What will state governments say when their prize NLU mushrooms are potentially being taken away?
  7. And finally, would the BCI be into this idea or would they threaten to go on strike over it?

Comments

Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:25
+3 -2
Will the NLU come under central government then?
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:26
+16 -1
Is it a coincidence that both of her sons have graduated from an NLU? Either way, I am happy someone is at least trying to do something positive for a change. Kian, any chance of getting a copy of the Bill?
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:51
+13 -16
Thank you Ma'am. And shame on all the NLU students for not uniting for this cause. Especially NLSIU, for trying to maintain the status quo and instead selfishly apply for Nationalisation status on its own. Recently the NLU student consortium filed a joint statement supporting the goons at JNU but not this. Idiots!
Law schoolite 6 Dec 2019, 02:12
+11 -6
Goons of JNU? and you ask why NLSIU wants to maintain one arm distance from you!
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 04:17
+6 -5
Why do you assume that comment is written by a student/alumni from another NLU? I know quite a few well established old-timers from NLSIU who would hold such (imo wrong) opinion of JNU students and their continued struggle against rising tide of action against the institution.

I have down-voted you for making the unfair assumption.

Raise your voice against the ascribing the character of 'goon' to a JNU student; but also raise your voice against the continued failure of elite within the large and mushrooming NLU structure of not wanting to be associated with those perceived as lesser.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:54
+8 -0
She may be a politician but above all she is a mother of an NLU grad so she understands their struggles.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 01:17
+6 -0
*Two NLU grads. Both of her sons have graduated from NUJS, one in 2017 and the other in 2019.
NRI sponsored post 6 Dec 2019, 03:52
+3 -0
Nice of them to take initiative. Kudos.
Nri quota 7 Dec 2019, 16:12
+1 -1
Quota system anyone?
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 17:09
+8 -1
I found them both to be fairly good students of law, actually. Probably much better than the anonymous people being snarky about them.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:56
+4 -2
The lower ranked NLUs will benefit most from this, while the older will feel threatened the most.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:58
+2 -0
"No army can stop an idea whose time has come. Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come."

- Famous French quote given by Manmohan Singh while liberalising Indian economy in 1991.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 18:59
+2 -2
Can we at least now expect a nation-wide joint NLU strike in support of the bill? A BJP member has introduced it, so nobody will brand you anti-national.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:08
+6 -1
Ms Lekhi's son is from the college which needs nationalisation the most and organised the protest this article is referring to (NUJS). Conversely, Mamata will oppose it tooth and nail as she treats colleges as her personal property and expects VCs to be her servants. Given a chance she will "de-nationalise" IIM Calcutta and IIT Kharagpur and bring them under the state government.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:10
+3 -0
Unlike the previous Bill introduced by Prof Sougata Bose of the TMC, this bill is significant as a BJP member and lawyer is introducing it.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:16
+3 -0
I request NUJS to invite her for the Madhava Menon Legal Conclave and speak on this topic.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:18
+9 -2
Sack RS Prasad and make her law minister. Prasad is a joker and the most useless minister in the government. Has not done a single reform. Also supporting Manan Mishra because he is from the same state.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:29
+4 -2
[img]https://i.imgur.com/2abUZHc.png[/img]
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 17:58
+0 -2
Who are you? posting same thing on every article and website?
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:43
+6 -3
Some of the features should be:

1. Noted alumni and industry people are there in the governing body (like IIT and IIM)
2. Like IIT and IIM, all NLUs must be given uniform branding: NLU Bengaluru, NLU Hyderabad etc, instead of NLSIU, NALSAR etc.
3. Regular faculty exchanges between NLUs, e.g. an NLU Delhi professor teaching at NLU Patna.
4. CJI is Chancellor for all, CJ of local HC is Pro-Vice Chancellor, Attorney General of India is Visitor, and Chief Minister and state Advocate General are Special Invitees.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 19:51
+3 -0
The NLU students should now reach out to Congress lawyer MPs + progressive people like Shashi Tharoor, Jay Panda etc and get their support. If NLUs have to be nationalised it must be done with help from senior lawyer politicians: Tulsi, Singhvi, Sibal, Tankha and Chidambaram from Congress and Lekhi, Vikramjit Banerjee, and Pinky Anand from BJP.
chirayu jain 5 Dec 2019, 20:21
+4 -1
What's the point if Central Government is keen to cut down on funding of its universities and convert them into fee-based institutions? Would make no difference whatsoever apart from few cosmetic changes.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 20:30
+1 -0
Even if the top NLUs prefer status quo, can't the newer NLUs undertake a joint action? Maybe MNLU can take the lead as Bobde is now CJI? At least 8 to 10 newer NLUs will support joint action.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 22:15
+2 -18
Give INI status to NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUD, put tier 2 NLUs like NUJS, GNLU, NLIU and NLUJ on a waitlist conditional on good performance, and keep the rest under state govt control. Central govt/INI status is a privilege which cannot be gifted to everyone and the govt budget is also limited.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 03:49
+30 -0
The IRCTC Tier-walein Baba strikes at Tatkal speed again!
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 03:51
+10 -1
There is absolutely no difference between the NLUs you have mentioned in terms of average graduate quality. You can keep bickering otherwise and bathe in your supercilious attitude as much you want.
RealityStone 6 Dec 2019, 04:35
+6 -0
It must be hard being so intellectually hindered.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 05:48
+3 -0
It's like being Rocket Raccoon. Minus the Rocket.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 07:44
+2 -0
It's funny how a person like you with no discernible qualification of his own is commenting upon the quality of institutions so far above his pay grade, when you really don't have any idea about any of those.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 22:18
+3 -0
I have seen the bill. She basically wants IIT/IIM status for NLUs. She will be introducing the bill and speaking in the afternoon. Live coverage can be seen on Lok Sabha website or the channel Lok Sabha TV on YouTube.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 22:27
+3 -0
Thus far the following MPs have supported #NationaliseNLUs in Lok Sabha:

1. Sougata Bose of TMC, who introduced the first bill (now resigned and back to teaching at Harvard).

2. Maneka Gandhi of BJP

3. 3 MPs from Shiv Sena and DMK who have raised the issue in the current session itself.

4. Meenakshi Lekhi

The Congress has been quiet, but they have many lawyer MPs who are likely to support it.
Guest 5 Dec 2019, 22:28
+3 -1
Modi govt has given National Eminence status to JGLS so it must now support NLUs. You can't have a college for rich students being preferred over a college for the 99%.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 03:50
+20 -0
NLUs are for the 99%? Did I miss the memo where the fees have been reduced by 99%?
pi 6 Dec 2019, 10:58
+1 -0
@kian can you get an advance copy of the bill please?
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 18:36
+0 -0
Send a tweet to @MLekhiOffice and @M_Lekhi.
Guest 6 Dec 2019, 19:31
+0 -0
Unlike NLSIU, it is possible NALSAR may support the bill as Telengana is now under the control of populist regional politicians who want greater domicile quota in NALSAR.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 00:40
+1 -0
Here is the full text of the bill: http://164.100.47.4/billstexts/lsbilltexts/asintroduced/2733.pdf

[Note: That is the 2016 National Law Universities of India Bill that had been sponsored by MP Prof Sugata Bose.]
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 03:56
+0 -0
Because of the Hyderabad rape incident no discussion on the bill could happen yesterday. Instead Meenakshi Lekhi was busy talking about the rape. Hopefully next week.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 05:27
+1 -0
Did she also talk about the encounters?
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 08:26
+0 -0
From Hindustan Times:

[quote]MPs have moved a raft of private members’ bills in Parliament — including 28 already in the 17th Lok Sabha — proposing radical constitutional reforms and highlighting public concerns that do not otherwise blip on the government’s legislative radar. ...

It requires some luck to get a private members’ bill introduced, as a ballot draw — a sort of lottery — is held to decide which ones get introduced. It’s tougher still to get them passed.

“In the last 70 years, only 15 private members’ bills have become law,” said Subhash Kashyap, a former secretary-general of the Lok Sabha. But such bills often draw the attention of the government to important issues and seek to create awareness around them. “To that extent, some public purpose is served,” Kashyap said.

[/quote]

Thus, the bill by Lekhi must be used as a trigger for a nationwide protest by NLUs. Since NLSIU and NALSAR will not participate, Kolkata, Jodhpur, Bhopal, Raipur, Lucknow and Patiala can lead a protest.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/28-private-members-bills-introduced-in-lok-sabha/story-RAcTQ0mGpmdceU7rdGqPqK.html
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 10:00
+1 -0
One of the many things that is of interest to RSP and the govt apart from having a IAS-like cadre of judicial officers

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/law-minister-plans-to-clear-backlog-in-1-year-with-fast-track-courts/articleshow/72411460.cms

If the "govt" is interested it would have brought in a Bill for NLUs. Or even better get a special scheme routed through UGC, MHRD or even the DOJ itself. Which therefore makes me wary of the true purpose of this pvt bill. Also what about the timing?

Also if the sons were really invested in reforms (as some here seem to hint) then it would have begun much earlier at NUJS or even now. Many who know both the brothers, know them very differently.

I do applaud the initiative (although we don't have a copy of the Bill) esp after two emphatic put-downs by RSP earlier.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 14:45
+1 -0
RSP is a clown who symbolises the talent deficit in the Modi cabinet. Has the critical portfolios of IT and Law, bungled up both. Modiji, please replace this nincompoop with better BJP talent like Pinky Anand, Meenakshi Lekhi, Aishwarya Bhati and Vikramjit Banerjee.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 14:57
+1 -6
NLSIU has very good reasons for opposing this so-called Nationalisation Bill. Most NLUs are not up to the standard to deserve INI status and the different NLUs cant be equated with NLSIU. For example, can we equate IIT Ranchi or IIT Mandi with IIT Bombay/Delhi/Kharagpur? Or IIM Kashipur or IIM Sambalpur with IIM Ahmedabad/Bangalore/Calcutta? Furthermore, al NLUs have local and fake NRI reservation. Only NLSIU admits students purely on merit. Thus, only NLSIU deserves National and INI status.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 15:49
+10 -0
Err... NLSIU and other NLUs are exactly on the same platform. They all take students through the common exam now. Is there anything that legally prevents the first 50 CLAT rankers to choose any other NLU? Even if you say that NLSIU is ahead of all other NLUs, then it would continue to be ahead of other INIs too by that same logic. I really hope you aren't a student or alumni of Law School. I'd hate to know that sort of 'logical thinking' is only what such people are capable of these days. As for 'purely on merit', please let me catch my breath, that generated such a laugh!
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 16:13
+9 -0
Absolutely. NLSIU only deserves galaxy level status, with the resident Rhodes God at the helm of affairs. Leave these small petty 'national' level local stuff and status for the rest of the 'Mandi NLUs', na? Aim for the very top. Taste mein best, Messiah aur Everest.
Guest 7 Dec 2019, 18:50
+2 -0
You, sir, deserve a bow. Your comment is gold! :D

As for the original comment (27), well, you do realise that nothing stops IIM Calcutta from asserting its brand as 'IIM Calcutta' even when IIM Sambalpur is still an 'IIM'.

If NLSIU's academic dominance can be swept away by a simple change of legal status, then maybe that dominance itself was just a grand display of buffoonery? Consider the following scenario:

There are two kids, you say one of them is illiterate and the other one, brilliant. The brilliant kid opposing the provision of the same books because his 'brilliance' would be challenged, is what is exactly your logic suggests. In that case, sure, you are still brilliant, but brilliant by opportunity, not brilliant because you are actually brilliant.
Guest 8 Dec 2019, 00:09
+0 -0
Why isn' t LI sharing a copy of the Bill? Please call her office and get it. This is lazy reporting.
Guest 8 Dec 2019, 04:10
+0 -0
NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUD are likely to lobby for INI status separately. These 3 will not participate in any joint campaign and may even try to sabotage it. So best to keep them out and have a joint protest by NLUs.
Guest 8 Dec 2019, 07:52
+4 -0
None of these deserves INI status unfortunately. No NLU does at this point of time. Classic chicken and egg debate. As law universities, we are miles behind than where IITs are with respect of the engineering profession or IIMs w.r.o. management.
Guest 8 Dec 2019, 20:52
+0 -1
INI or IoE or whatever, as with the PM https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/something-deeply-wrong-raghuram-rajans-critique-of-narendra-modi-government-2145272?pfrom=home-topscroll a pervasive problem in NLUs are VCCircles
aka Vultures Capitalizing on student fees.
Guest 9 Dec 2019, 05:00
+3 -0
Are you including the current NLS VC in that group?
Guest 9 Dec 2019, 15:19
+1 -0
Yes, he is. Didn't see him excluding anyone, did you?
Guest 9 Dec 2019, 07:38
+0 -0
BREAKING NEWS: A few days ago Parliament passed a bill declaring the National Institute of Design as an Institution of National Importance. So even design schools are getting more importance.

https://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/national-institute-design-amendment-bill-2019
Guest 9 Dec 2019, 10:47
+0 -1
Supposedly today is Anti-Corruption Day. Tomorrow is Human Rights Day. Many NLUs will have some programmes for the latter. The usual sermons and lullabies.

Just thinking (uselessly) how did admins in NLUs commemorate Anti-Corruption Day?
Guest 9 Dec 2019, 21:40
+0 -0
We now have an idea why NLSIU is opposed to INI status for NLUs. On Facebook, an NLSIU alum who is a well-known [...] replied to this article saying there is no need for the Bill. A bunch of other alumni replied saying it will lower standards, is a conspiracy by Modi etc. So it's clear that they just want special treatment and funding just for NLSIU. The thread is publicly accessible on Facebook.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 06:53
+0 -0
Nothing wrong with an institution seeking special treatment for itself based on its achievements and profile. So long as the decision makers are deciding that on objective criteria. Other NLUs can seek that too individually or collectively if they want to. The fact remains that half of the 23 NLUs at present are hardly even worth calling universities, let alone INIs. Disclaimer: I'm not from NLSIU myself.
Viwek 10 Dec 2019, 09:24
+1 -1
NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR and NLUJ should be declared INIs immediately. These have contributed a lot already to the law profession.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 10:29
+2 -1
How exactly? Have they contributed more than DU, Cal Uni, GLC or even Symbi Pune? When NLSIU came into existence, they already had foreign law firm partners as alumni, and not to mention CJIs. Stop displaying this inflated ego everywhere.
Viwek 10 Dec 2019, 10:57
+0 -1
Please be aware of qualitative facts over quantitative facts. The institutions specified by you are far older and thats why their number of Alumni is far greater and will be for many years to come. The NLUs i have described have brought high quality of legal education in India and this is very evident when DU CLC, GLC senior legal professionals want to have these grads to work along them.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 12:47
+2 -1
There are plenty of students graduating from these institutions whom I won't trust to advise the client on how to cross a street. Since we are getting all 'qualitative' about it. There are good students graduating from every place, just like there are bad ones, so best not go down that road. Try something else to establish NLUs' 'eminence'.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 13:32
+3 -0
Frankly, the few advantages that NLUs have at present over traditional law colleges consist of some of the best students of the country joining them every year, on an average maybe a better class of faculty (NLUs have their share of bad faculty, just like traditional colleges have excellent ones, mind), better training in writing (by sheer volume at least, since very few traditional law colleges focus on writing projects much), maybe better research resources like library databases, and maybe exposure to some specialised courses in the form of electives. That and their alumni helping actively during recruitment. Of course, all these advantages aren't shared by all the NLUs, but the older 8-10 have all got these to varying degrees.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 13:22
+0 -1
Oh well, since we are getting all qualitative about it, let us then be honest about the fact that there is no 'high quality' teaching at the NLUs at all. Let us not even go into the alumni question. There is nothing to hint the fact that NLU graduates make better lawyers (or anything else for that matter) than other graduates.

Going by your logic, the only institution deserving of INI is JGLS, since that the only place where 'high quality of legal education' takes place, whether it be through research or teaching. None of the NLUs produce anything meaningful. If you see the list of people going to Oxford for a BCL, there are people from Punjab University and Nirma more than all other NLUs combined. I call BS on your 'qualitative' analysis.

Also, please do not counter by showing how JGLS is bad or X is bad. Tell me how NLUs are doing better than them, not how you think X is bad.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 15:35
+2 -1
I am curious about what's the foundation for your claim about 'high quality of legal education' taking place at JGLS. If you think simply gathering a couple of hundred faculty members with foreign degrees is enough for that, then that leaves no room for engagement. Otherwise, I am yet to see any groundbreaking research emerge from there (not even the likes of what NLUD is producing) nor any other evidence of their teachers being particularly better in terms of classroom teaching. If you are claiming it's basically the same as that at the so-called 'high-ranked' NLUs, and not any worse, then I agree with that. Any other claim I have not witnessed any proof of so far.
Regarding your last sentence, that's a bit counter-productive in the context of this debate. JGLS is already an IoE, so NLUs don't need to show they are doing better than it. If they can simply show that they aren't doing any worse, then that ought to satisfy the requirements of logic at least.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 19:47
+1 -1
[quote]Otherwise, I am yet to see any groundbreaking research emerge from there (not even the likes of what NLUD is producing) nor any other evidence of their teachers being particularly better in terms of classroom teaching. [/quote]

LMAO. Who the hell are you to judge? Have you ever read a journal article indoor life? Crawl back into the tier 3 law school you came from.
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 05:24
+1 -0
Nice to know that you've exhausted your arguments to the extent of resorting to pathetic ad hominems now. Not that it entitles to any special treatment, but I happen to have graduated from Law School, done my BCL and have been fortunate enough to have my share of journal publications. I'm not saying that makes me any better than anyone else, even you. Just that I'm aware of the research output of and culture prevailing in most of the Indian law schools.
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 06:30
+0 -1
You are not from NLSIU, you did not do your BCL and you have not published anything. Because no one who had such accomplishments would speak so ignorantly. You are a troll.
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 07:26
+1 -1
Where exactly have I appeared ignorant? Why don't you ditch the ad hominems and actually argue on the basis of facts? Someone said JGLS seems to be the only place where high quality legal education is going on in the country. I responded saying there is no ostensible proof of that. If you can counter that with facts, please go ahead. Show instances of impactful legal projects having been done there, papers emerging with high citation count, teachers' classroom performance translating into superior grad outcome, better placements and scholarships compared to NLUs, basically anything. You don't seem to have any facts to back up your rants. It's pretty clear who's the troll here.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 13:55
+1 -0
Fact remains that Modi govt has declared a luxury law school for the rich as an IOE and also awarded IOE status to DU and IIT KGP, which have 3 year law schools. Also, fashion design institutes like NID and NIFT have got INI status. NLU students MUST get together and demand at least INI status for NLUs.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 15:37
+0 -0
NLUs are not important enough.
Guest 10 Dec 2019, 14:09
+0 -0
Congress party should protest in Parliament about Modi govt giving IOE status to JGLS but ignoring NLUs... oh wait, Congress supports Jindal :(
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 06:32
+0 -1
Time for an all-India protest against Modi govt for giving eminence status to Jindal Law School but not funding NLUs. #CronyCapitalism #SuitBootKiSarkar #NationaliseNLUs
Fellow law student 11 Dec 2019, 07:08
+0 -0
NLUs is that they have been established by the act of the state government. Thus, even though they are called “National” Law Universities, they are basically state level law universities. So, every NLU is recognised as a State University only by the UGC.

Because of the fact that NLUs are 'State level' universities, they cannot be funded by the Centre.
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 07:28
+0 -0
They can if they are given IoE or INI status. Which is why the demand for nationalisation, even though I personally believe that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Guest 11 Dec 2019, 22:18
+0 -7
Whatever happens, NUJS is doomed

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/norms-put-consent-fetters-on-bengal-vice-chancellors/cid/1726115?ref=more-from-west-bengal_west-bengal-page

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/rapid-action-on-chancellor-new-rule/cid/1726113?ref=more-from-west-bengal_west-bengal-page
Guest 12 Dec 2019, 04:43
+7 -0
No, it's not. Despite all your wishes.
Guest 12 Dec 2019, 04:49
+7 -0
That's only wishful thinking from you trolls. As it is, the news items that you have shared have nothing to do with this university anyway. You keep coming back to the comments section with political agenda of your own and try to pass yourself off as a well-wisher of the university. You are not. Go peddle your propaganda elsewhere.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 07:44
+0 -4
Congratulations to MNLU Mumbai Student Bar Council for coming in support of the citizenship bill. Certain NLUs are left-wing and anti-BJP. But MNLU has got the courage to change the trend.

https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/maha-national-law-uni-students-council-president-backs-cab-shares-pre.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/citizenship-amendment-bill-cab-protests-tiss-students-6166156/
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 09:35
+4 -0
Shame on them. Law students with religious divisiveness and extremism in heart. A dangerous combination.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 09:38
+4 -0
Lowers that over-hyped place even further in my opinion. Let the students achieve something worthwhile first. This is not pro-BJP, this is anti-India and everything that the country has stood for.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 13:08
+0 -4
MNLU overhyped? It will be in NIRF top 5 by 2025 and top 3 by 2030.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 15:13
+3 -0
In your dreams. Apart from location, it has got nothing in its favour. Had location been the only criterion, GLC would have been rank 1 in NIRF. As for MNLU, let a graduating batch hold a proper day zero first. You are only building castles in air at present.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 15:17
+3 -0
Till it actually does, it's over-hyped. I see no evidence otherwise.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 11:48
+0 -1
This seemed more like an individual opinion and not that of the student council.
LK 14 Dec 2019, 13:06
+0 -0
No, it is the collective opinion. See the Indian Express report. Also, it is on the letterhead.
Guest 14 Dec 2019, 15:15
+4 -0
Then that's a foolish move on the students' part and would certainly not do any good to their collective image in the industry, if they are willing to deliberately court controversy this way without even studying the issues involved in detail or being in no way properly connected with the ground level concerns.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 09:24
+0 -0
NLUM student body has issued a statement in solidarity against CAA now. One wonders what their exact position is or whether they actually know what it is for sure.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 08:53
+0 -0
https://barandbench.com/nlsiu-faculty-prof-vs-elizabeth-to-be-next-vice-chancellor-of-tnnlu-trichy-to-be-confirmed/

Lizzie going places. After the SK fiasco and frictions with Messiah bhakts such moves elsewhere by the old guard was expected (so who is moving to CNLU and RGNUL?) Also this really works good for Lizzie who was previously declined by NLU Ranchi on the spurious ground that she acquired her LLB after completing doctorate in law and is a Prof of (Legal) History at NLS.

A similar argument was privately circulated by certain regime judges and agents of the state when Prof Manoj Sinha was expected to return to NUJS as VC. Despite all efforts, the state side succeeded in scaring Prof Sinha to stay away and that ensured many potential candidates stayed away from even applying. VCV was a late entry but he too got shot down by the state which needed someone like SSC or NKC.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 09:05
+1 -0
Those who consider VCV a good candidate for VC position without knowing much about him in reality should talk to some of his colleagues back from his IIT days. He is not well regarded down there. Or even by the older faculty at NALSAR who've worked with him. It's not wrong to consider someone suitable for a certain position, but ensure that at least some diligence has been done instead of relying only on (anonymous) hype. Incidentally, while people are focusing on Sudhir's regime quite a bit, anybody knows anything about how HNLU has been faring since VCV took charge? Has he taken any cogent step so far to clean up the mess down there?
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 09:49
+1 -0
Messes only get cleaned up in fables and maybe some Nordic countries. As with our mahan desh, the NLU administrations are best at burying messes and increasing student fees to bridge the yawning gaps caused. The faculty and admin staffs keep getting central scale salaries and mostly help maintain status quo, especially since many are complicit in the scams themselves. Often student interests are also involved. For example, the degree irregularities in NLIU Bhopal. The new VC says it happened before he came in. The old timers obviously don't want the matter poked further and students don't want to be rocked. And so the happy mutual scratching game begins.

Messiah and his honest Registrar (he said it) wouldn't want to rock the boat either, especially the latter who is eyeing a VC position in the near future. The junior is the Big Boss and Lizzie goes off to NLU Trichy despite "everything".

In NUJS, it is time for NKC to prove his utility to state govt. Inquiries need to be "settled" (he has already done one with concerning an alumna), "friends and patrons" need to be appointed to Chair and Centre positions, faculty recruitment will follow UGC Rules in a manner that favours are returned, CLATexit is initiated and the mother of all deals gets sanctioned before the elections in WB.

RGNUL guys cannot even get PJ and Co to release EC/FC/AC records. Students are already being used to give secret "evidence" against faculty members considered "enemies" of PJ and Co. While the RTI skirmish with administration continues, PJ is under no active threat. If NLUD doesn't happen, he will continue in RGNUL. Swach campus, dirty administration.

NLU Assam has apparently renewed JSP term and SKD will continue in NLUO if NLUD slips away. As with RGNUL, the students at NLUO squandered their chances. Plus SKD is quite thick with the faculty and EC members that matter.

While a VC here or there may exit, the institutional cultures of corruption will continue because nobody cares. Students who are otherwise ready to keyboard solidarity statements and sometimes go Messianic have no interest in "seeing things through" And therefore, history keeps repeating.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 10:05
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Lizzie has a doctorate in history. Typo probably. I agree rooting for VCV without having good knowledge of how he performed at IIT KGP Law, NALSAR etc is like trying to make bricks without clay/fly ash. Will someone from HNLU give an objective assessment of VCV performance thus far?

How is NKC doing? It's now what, six months? That's a reasonable amount of time to make preliminary assessments, especially given Justice Talukdar's long list of unfinished businesses, such as completion of inquiries, litigation etc. What has NKC been doing on those fronts? He has got 30% domicile implemented. Wouldn't be surprised if it goes to 50% under his watch as state playing some role in entrance exams
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 11:15
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As someone studying at NUJS, I can perhaps respond to the last part. My views are purely personal though. I can admit honestly that I'd no idea about how the new VC was gonna be like apart from rumors over social media, LI etc. So did not really have a high opinion about him to begin with. It's been close to 6 months since he's here. So far, here are the positives:
1. He's actually trying to make faculty at least a little more accountable than they used to be. I've been told by some faculty that more people are now adhering to deadlines. That's probably the least that can be expected of them, but even that was not happening under PIB or Lord Taluk.
2. A whole lot of programmes, seminars and workshops have been taking place lately. It almost looks like there's something that's going on every day. Can't vouch for all of these activities terms of quality though. Couple of events that I personally took part in were okay enough. Doubt everything would have been thus. But from what I know, student initiatives in terms of arranging events are usually being approved, which is again an improvement over the past 3 years. Amazingly, bills are actually getting cleared faster!
3. I heard quite a few research projects are being applied for. Again, this is mostly from faculty, but the VC is apparently okay with greater student involvement in these projects if the university gets those. That's probably a plus if it happens. More projects are usually better for the university profile and funds.
4. Got a few more teachers from outside on contract in the last semester and this one. Three of them were alum. Couple of practitioners. Audited one of their classes only, she was decent. Can't really say about all the others, but mixed lot probably based on what I heard from other students. VC has also promised new faculty recruitment in this semester. I hope good people including alum apply. If it's only favour exchange as some people here are saying, then that would be a bummer. But at least recruitment is finally happening after 6-7 people having left in the last few years.
5. Some infra is getting improved, with pending work being promised to be expedited. Probably too early to be commented upon. I'll believe it when I see it. But SJA seemed cautiously optimistic about this.
6. VC is again meeting those from other NLUs including CLAT meetings. Lord Taluk did a lot of harm by simply stopping all communication last year. Not sure about the immediate benefits of this, but can't harm probably.
7. VC is himself offering a paper this semester. This can go both ways probably and I haven't opted for it myself. But I guess VCs should at least teach a bit occasionally to stay in touch with the students? Others may differ on this point.
8. The guy does keep himself available throughout the day for everyday including students. No complaints on those grounds. The PA system isn't filtering people out as effectively as it had been doing under Lord Taluk.
9. Academic regulations and curriculum are being reviewed and modified apparently. Not sure exactly how, but SJA has reps in those discussions, so got to keep some faith on them as of now.

As for the cons:
1. The really toxic people are still there. They are going around as if nothing ever happened. No inquiry has been properly concluded nor sanctions issued. The bad faculty are still going to be around even if new people come in.
2. New registrar, accounts officer have not been appointed yet. Heard about interviews earlier, but no word since then.
3. Getting the feel of more UGC rules being relied upon instead of actual quality and cutting through red tape. Maybe some is needed for accountability, but surely we can't be dictated entirely by those archaic stuff.
4. No visible change in infra yet, only promises so far. More hostel room is definitely needed.
5. No reforms suggested by the UTC yet acted upon visibly at least. The regulation review and recruitment maybe, but no results yet.
6. No clear way so far to solve fund crunch. Distance ed programs are still in the doldrums, sponsors aren't being actively hunted that students are in the know of.
7. Litigations pending still.
8. Inquiries aren't being expedited, but that's probably as much because of the shameless faculty and staff involved as the VC.
9. Instances of violence and harassment still taking place on campus, no strict steps from admin yet.

That's it in a nutshell from my side. Before people start accusing me to belong to pro or anti vc groups, let me clarify, I'm yet in two minds myself. Can't give him a clean bill of efficiency and reform, can't condemn him outright either. He's surely better than his immediate predecessor or maybe than PIB too from what I have seen of the latter. But honestly, that bar was never set too high to begin with. He seems interested to work with the students and the people inside so far.
Guest 17 Dec 2019, 13:28
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This actually seems like a genuine response without bias from either side. Fairly informative too. Makes for a refreshing change here.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 04:56
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Comments on LI rightly speculated that Lizzie or Nandi will try for TNNLU once Sudhir takes over. It is a matter of record that Lizzie had opposed Sudhir's name for VC along with BCI members, while Nandi was accused by the SBA of stonewalling. Lizzie is now gone according to Bar & Bench, so keep an eye out for upcoming NLU vacancies. If Jaswal heads to NLUD, expect Nandi to apply to RGNUL.

https://barandbench.com/nlsiu-faculty-prof-vs-elizabeth-to-be-next-vice-chancellor-of-tnnlu-trichy-to-be-confirmed/
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 09:05
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With the whole country being in the state that it is in right now, who cares about these things? Most of these people have even failed to teach many of their students the difference between right and wrong apparently! That becomes tragically apparent when those students and alumni start supporting police brutality, religious extremism and bigotry.
Guest 28 Dec 2019, 14:52
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Please take note: NLSIU book on college's history says that the colleges BILLED ITSELF as the Harvard of the East. No famous jurist or ranking agency gave this title. PR in India truly works wonders! Note also that the top ranked law schools of the East are NUS Singapore, HKU Hong Kong and Peking China, but no Indian law school has ever made it to the QS/Times law rankings. And NLSIU people call Modi as Feku!!

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM2j0_FU8AEGCCD.jpg[/img]
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 04:49
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So what? When did you see NLSIU students claiming that Harvard had itself granted that moniker to the university? Quit harping on irrelevant stuff.
Guest 26 Feb 2020, 22:34
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Any updates on this Kian? I found this news report which talks about the bill, but I cannot locate the bill on the website of the Lok Sabha or PRS (maybe I am searching wrong).

https://epaper.thestatesman.com/2551590/Kolkata-The-Statesman/13TH-FEBRUARY-2020#page/16/1

PRS has this bill by Swagata Bose, but it is an old one.

http://164.100.47.4/BillsTexts/LSBillTexts/Asintroduced/2733.pdf