UPSC civil service exams: NLU Delhi’s Saumya Sharma, Aditya Vikram Yadav, Nalsar’s Vikramaditya Malik make top 100

Lawyers do well at UPSC
Lawyers do well at UPSC

NLU Delhi 2017 alumnus Saumya Sharma has made it to the Union Public Service Commission (UPSC) merit list’s toppers with a rank 9 in her first attempt at the exam, as first reported in her interview by blog Insights on India.

Sharma cleared it in her first attempt after beginning preparations on 19 February 2017, four months before the exam, according to the blog.

Nalsar Hyderabad 2011 alumnus Vikramaditya Malik is at rank 48 in this year’s merit list, reported the Tribune.

Malik, who graduated from Nalsar with five gold medals and eventually graduated from Oxford University’s LLM in 2013, is currently practicing law in Delhi.

This year was his fourth attempt at the civil services exam and his chosen subject was law. He is the son of Haryana IAS officer Yudhvir Singh Malik, his sister Surabhi Malik is a 2012 Punjab-cadre IAS officer and his mother Suchita Malik is an author.

NLU Delhi 2016 alumnus Aditya Vikram Yadav made it to rank 72 in the merit list.

There are probably other lawyers in the ranks of the merit list this year.

If you know anyone (or are someone) who cleared the merit list (as published by India TV News), please drop a comment with details under this story.

Update: Nalsar alumni from 2014 Utsav Parashar (rank 367) and Himani Sharma (rank 477), P Promoth from 2015 (rank 791), NLU Jodhpur alumni Jayantika Singh from 2013 (rank 286) and Preetesh Raman Singh (rank 205) from 2014, NUJS alumni Deepro Guha from 2013 (rank 395) and Aanchal Dalal (rank 136) from 2014, and NLU Delhi alumni Ritiraj (rank 583), Kavya Tangirala (rank 381) and Karan Chaudhary (rank 821) have also made it past the merit list.

Comments

Guest 30 Apr 2018, 13:27
+13 -1
Jayantika Singh NLU Jodhpur 2013
Others 30 Apr 2018, 15:00
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NALSAR

Utsav Prasar, Himani Sharma - 2014
Promoth - 2015

NLU J
Preetesh Raman - 2014
Thanos 30 Apr 2018, 15:11
+5 -0
Aanchal Dalal, Deepro Guha from NUJS. 2014 and 2013 batches. AIR 136 and 395.
Guest123 30 Apr 2018, 15:15
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Utsav Prasar, 2014 alumnus of NALSAR University of Law, has secured Rank 367.
Nalsar alumnus 30 Apr 2018, 15:28
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Congrats Vikram bhai!
@LegallyIndia: Oxford does not award an LL.M., the degree Vikram got is the B.C.L.
Nalsar alumnus 30 Apr 2018, 15:29
+0 -0
Utsav Prasar and Himani Sharma (both Nalsar 2014) and P Promoth (Nalsar 2015).
Guest 30 Apr 2018, 15:57
+27 -44
It makes me angry that it took a NALSAR topper and Oxford graduate 4 attempts to make it. Something is seriously wrong with our system. The UPSC exam prioritises rote learning over acumen and experience. In the West, they would welcome graduates of elite law schools into their civil services. In India, we make it tougher. Unfortunately, the typical law graduate making it to the UPSC is someone from an obscure law college who never attended class and instead attending IAS coaching classes for 5 years. This person never did a good internship, never did an LLM abroad, never worked in a good firm or lawyer's chamber. Sad.
Good point 30 Apr 2018, 18:24
+15 -23
Completely agree with you. The exam format needs to change. It actually took Vikram more than 4 attempts over a period of 5 years to pass this exam. He is now 30. Some other people without Oxford degree and much junior to him just memorised answers and passed the exam in first attempt. They have now been in the service for 5 years and will be much senior to someone like Vikram.

Not only entrance but the promotion system is faulty based mostly on years in service as opposed to merit. What this means is that someone smart like Vikram will never be a secretary level because of fixed retirement age but several junior and younger people to him will be his seniors and become Secretaries in union ministries.
Guest 1 May 2018, 05:22
+11 -20
Correct. The same also applies to judicial service exams. NLUs do not focus on rote learning, but instead develop skills like critical thinking, case law analysis, knowledge of modern business laws, and learning about the social and economic context of law. India desperately needs these elite minds in the judiciary and bureaucracy. Very sad that non-NLU trolls are downvoting these comments.
Dripping with sarcasm 1 May 2018, 03:48
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[i]This person never did a good internship, never did an LLM abroad, never worked in a good firm or lawyer's chamber. Sad.[/i]

Very sad.

[i]In the West, they would welcome graduates of elite law schools into their civil services.[/i]

Why don't they just recruit out of law school given how great we are to have cleared CLAT!

[i]Something is seriously wrong with our system.[/i]

Absolutely agree with you. So much is wrong with the CLAT exam and our entirely city based experience. Oh! Did I get that wrong?

PS: You are an idiot and a cry baby.
Guest 1 May 2018, 05:15
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Jealous non-NLU grad alert!
OhGodGetALife 16 Aug 2018, 03:49
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I've come across a lot of this NLU Mania when I was a student in my own NLU. What gives you the idea that a good internship, an LLM abroad, working in a good firm or lawyer's chamber will make someone a good administrator? Can't you see the privileged background one must come from to have these accomplishments in their CV? Or perhaps you believe in new-age bramhinism - only a select few oxbridge graduates have the divine rights to lord over us?

It is the spirit that makes a great public servant. Google the names SR Sankaarn, Armstrong Pame, OP Chaudhary. Let me know how many of them have a degree from Oxford.
Robot 30 Apr 2018, 16:05
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Among non-science grads, NLU grads are the best placed to dominate the UPSC exam. They need to monopolise the IAS. We need to encourage more NLU grads to sit for the exam. NLUs need to offer IAS coaching classes at law school itself. Subjects that are needed for the UPSC (e.g. Indian and World Geography, Economic and Social Development, Panchayati Raj) can be offered as electives in law school. A UPSC aspirant can spend the entire last year of law school taking such electives plus evening coaching classes, and then take the next year off for further study.
Guested 1 May 2018, 06:29
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Why NLUs specifically and not law schools in general? Other than the top 5-6 NLUs I doubt any of the other ones are special enough to monopolise the civil services.
OhGodGetALife 16 Aug 2018, 03:42
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1. NLU Grads are bloodhounds who follow the scent of money. I doubt you could ever convince them to give up everything in life and accept lesser pay than they make in Tier-1 firms to do 'public service'.

2. I'm glad my NLU has prepared me for a career in law rather than a career in the services. That job should be left to coachings, because my University is a law university not a public administration university.

3. What is this need to 'dominate'? You think some university label gives you the right to dominate people who genuinely want to work for the people? I abhor such 'dominance'.
UPSC not my cup of cha 30 Apr 2018, 16:10
+5 -4
Tapasya Parihar from ILS Law College.Just google, some press coverage on her too as she is Daughter of a farmer (erstwhile Zamindars/ Landlord) :)
Best of the best 30 Apr 2018, 16:52
+3 -0
NLU Delhi
Riti Raj
Kavya Tangirala
Karan Chaudhary

Total 5 from NLUD this year.
Guest 30 Apr 2018, 18:18
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Hey Kian can we please have a UPSC comparison per NLU, like you do a law firm placement comparison??? Can we also have data on how many grads from an NLU, since it's inception, have cleared UPSC? I think it will make very interesting reading. NLSIU may be losing its dominance even here, and NLUD may be the unexpected star performer.
Yo Yo Hani Sing 1 May 2018, 12:21
+2 -0
Yes. NLUD is superstar.

Yaar Tera Superstar Desi Kalakar
Guest 30 Apr 2018, 18:26
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https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-ranks-at-which-we-get-the-position-of-IAS-IPS-IFS-and-IRS-and-what-is-the-criteria

IAS: If you are a general category candidate and if your UPSC rank is around 90 then you have a fair chance of making it to the IAS. Similarly, a 465 rank for OBC, 650 for SC and 770 for ST should be good enough for IAS.

IFS: For IFS, a 115 rank for general category, 570 for OBC, 765 for SC and 925 for ST is likely enough to make the cut.

IPS: For IPS, 240 rank for general category, 735 for OBC, 800 for SC and 980 for ST may suffice.

On an average 360-370 posts are allocated to IAS, IFS and IPS out of approximately 1240 total posts which are filled up under the UPSC exam.
Guest 30 Apr 2018, 18:36
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5 NLUD grads cracked UPSC. One is disabled but still got a high rank. One is a Georgetown LLM.

http://www.livelaw.in/five-nlu-delhi-grads-crack-upsc-civil-service-examination/

https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/inspiring-this-upsc-civil-services-examination-topper-quit-facebook-whatsapp-for-a-year-secured-rank-9/1150661/

https://barandbench.com/upsc-result-2017-nlu-delhi-nalsar-grads-clear-exam/
Guest 1 May 2018, 02:48
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Preetesh Raman Singh (AIR-205) NLU Jodhpur graduate of 2014 batch.
Honest 1 May 2018, 07:32
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If any lawyer or UPSC aspirant is told to put his/her hand on heart and answer whether they wanted to be Lawyer or IAS IPS etc, they would say NO. It is the commerical world which influences their decision and mostly the parents who wud like to see their son/ daughter as A Big Officer. This generation is "following" professions. The original Lawyers and IAS officers (50 years back or more)became so because thats who they wanted to be. It holds true for all professions.

Very commonly said, someone could have been a great painter but has become engineer. Someone cud have been a great singer but was influenced to become a doctor.

I am not impressed by NLUs. The way engineering colleges mushroomed in every nook and corner of India, same way law colleges have come up.Last 30 years every 2nd kid was put in an engineeeing college. Now every 2nd or 3rd kid is put in law college.The profession is bound to lose its value and the lawyers are bound to be confused in life just like engineering students were. After doing engineering, every engineer did an MBA ! They dont even know how to repair a tubelight. And you dont become a good lawyer going to a branded expensive college, you become a good lawyer if you have a passion for it.

So all in all the law profession has lost its charm. And every law graduate becomes a piece of furniture in a corporate or a clerk doing routine unimportant stuff. As far as law firms are concerned, as rightly mentioned somewhere by a commentor on LI, these are family run commercial baniya firms where again you are a clerk.
V v true 8 May 2018, 07:57
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Like doctor engineer, law is a profession which is taken upon by society pressure.
Guest 1 May 2018, 08:59
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Jealous people from non-NLU colleges are posting comments here. It is very sad that in India people are jealous of successful institutions and successful people.
Dripping with sarcasm 1 May 2018, 12:24
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Or, people are exasperated of entitlement? Could be one or the other, no?
Guest 2 May 2018, 03:15
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Excellent performance by NLUD justifying the NIRF ranking. NLSIU and NUJS flopped this year, with NLSIU being a super flop.
Atithi kab jaoge 2 May 2018, 07:18
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There we have the usual NLUD troll. It's almost like the place has its own IT Cell now for this sort of thing. Couldn't have stopped at the first sentence saying good things about themselves, had to show other people down. Typical upstart mentality. Don't even mention the NIRF ranking, pal. Had someone taken legal action regarding your data falsification, your institution would have been rightly banned from taking part in further rankings.
Kolo 3 May 2018, 03:00
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LOL, data falsification. Wow. If you're referring to our median salary, 15 IS the median for people sitting for campus placements.

Obviously, Guest is an idiot for saying that NLS is a "super flop", but still, data falsfication is too strong an allegation to levy.

Also, for the people commenting that civil services ranks are immaterial because no one wants to join, I could probably say the same for joining a firm and wasting my time correcting grammar and doing due diligence.
Atithi Kab Jaoge 3 May 2018, 04:25
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It IS NOT the median salary for that year and unless you present the raw data, nobody is going to get convinced otherwise. Why not ask your RPC for that year to do that to dispel all the doubts? Till then, nobody is going to believe such tall claims. Hence, data falsification. Even if it hurts, submitting false or unsubstantiated data for government rankings is still called that, last time I checked. As it is, half the time the firms actually do not reveal the salary payable till the contracts are given (and these days not always then either) and RPC can at the most provide guesstimates, based on which median salaries cannot be calculated. Of course, you can say like Sid Chauhan did for NALSAR that it was not deliberate falsification since there was no malicious intent, simply administrative negligence and a tendency to cut corners, but nobody from NLUD even had that much courage to admit that till now.
Kolo 3 May 2018, 06:20
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We had 40ish people sitting. Around 25 people have Big 7 and equivalent jobs that pay 15+. So median will be 15.
RCC Ka Dost 3 May 2018, 06:41
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42 people sat for placements. 22 people have jobs that pay more than 15 lacs (including bonus). So yep, the median would be more than 15 (around 15.5).
RCC Ke Dost Ka Dost 3 May 2018, 06:59
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Breakdown of NLUD Jobs for the batch of 2018 that pay above 15. Note that these are acceptances and not offers.

1. CAM- 6
2. SAM-1
3.Khaitan-2
4.Luthra- 2
5. Trilegal-4
6. AZB- 2
7. S&R- 2
8. Talwar Thakore- 2
9. Linklaters LLP- 1

The lowest of these will probably be Luthra which offers 15.5 for its "Superstar package". So, the median would be t15.5 (42 kids, median is the average of the salary of serial numbers 21 and 22, which would be these Luthra "Superstars").

Hope you take back your falsification comments now. :)
MHRD 3 May 2018, 08:25
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I don't want to get drawn into the debate here, but I believe the data provided was about academic year 2016-17. Not sure whether about the people who graduated in that year or those who had their Day Zero though (ideally should be former). I doubt the institutions themselves were aware of that distinction.
Darkseid 3 May 2018, 08:34
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Kian, I am curious about something. Vahura has recently released a report where data on law firm salary package is available having city-wise divisions etc., among other things. The strange thing is, the salary estimates there are significantly lower compared to the figures that are being talked about recently by different law school students, including posts herein. Any idea why this discrepancy? I would have thought Vahura would have been in a good place to have got accurate data on this! Do law firms not want their salary package (I get that if it's too low, but why in this case, when as per students, it is actually higher? I think Vahura quoted a figure of around 13 as median for Tier 1 firms or something like that)
Sssss 3 May 2018, 05:37
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agreed. Nlud IT cell. Haha so true
Donald89 2 May 2018, 12:36
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Sir, not everybody actually is interested in buttering/following orders of politicians or even otherwise, get into administrative service ( for instance, myself) . And before you ask why I came here to read this news, it is because I wanted to check if an acquaintance of mine had made it. So, there is no competition for getting into Civil Services.
Guest 2 May 2018, 06:06
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Rahul Ratnam Pandey RMLNLU (2013) AIR 103
Shilpa Gual RMLNLU AIR (2015) 887
Guest 2 May 2018, 06:30
+0 -0
Wow! Kian you must do a table-wise comparison and make it a regular feature alongside placements.
Sarkari 2 May 2018, 12:38
+17 -0
Why, exactly? The UPSC success of the students is entirely personal, without any kind of institutional support/role whatsoever. These people have sweated blood to get here, by all means highlight them personally, but not much use offering reflected glory to others. This is different from campus placement, where the institutional brand plays at least as important a role as the students' individual merit.
Guest 2 May 2018, 18:07
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True. I agree with you on the whole. However, sometimes - just sometimes - some institutions or set of sister-institutions (in view of the outsider) become a valuable tick-in-the-box for such competitions.

For example, RIMColians have forever been that for the Indian army. Hill schools like Sanawar were that till the mid-90s.

Out of law schools, one that doesn't get a mention often (because it is frankly middling as an institution of legal education), Army Institute of Law, Mohali, is one such place for the Indian army. I think we have had atleast 10 people per batch join the army every year since 2003. They all got in on individual skill sets, bit over 15 years have collectively stood as representatives of the institution.

Similarly, IITs have collectively held sway in the civil services. This is, at a very miniscule level, now being challenged by the law school system. This is a subjective opinion and others can disagree. However, I do feel that doing an year-on-year, complete and well researched list might be of value.

It can inspire more of the younger lot to see this as a genuine career option, it can help these insuring and their current batches to reach out and build bridges with the administrators of tomorrow, and it can help start dis-assembling the (mostly correct) rhetoric of law schools failure at creating social engineers.

I wouldn't want an institutionn comparison list that perpetuates tribal mentality, but would welcome once that allows us to envision ourselves as a collective.
Kolo 3 May 2018, 03:03
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In conjunction with placement data, it is reflective of what the batch is up to and where they ended up.

For example, my uni (NLUD) is generally bashed for not sitting for placements and thus having subpar numbers, but this shows our preferences to some extent.
Cruncher 3 May 2018, 04:31
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@Kolo: Won't that be better served by the numbers of the graduating batch who are actually sitting/prepping for UPSC? Because not everybody who applies for it ends up getting it, but very few of those keep other options open like sitting for placements, instead choosing to focus on the prep. It's actually a brave decision for the graduates who spend a year or two after graduation on this. Mostly people from a certain socio-economic background can afford that only. However, it is heartening to see first-timers crack it so well, though. I've met Saumya, brilliant kid. More youngsters like that should come into the Service. It bodes well for the country's future. I think law schools should start thinking about providing special training for this now for those interested. NLSIU and NLUD certainly have the needed funds, if nothing else.
Kolo 3 May 2018, 06:22
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Agree, it would. But when we do make such claims with our placement records, that's seen as an excuse. Most people think that these people take these exams because they couldn't get these jobs. And that's why this validation helps.
Primoya Majum 6 May 2018, 07:14
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Congrats Vikram...this makes me so happy...
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