Nalsar Hyderabad students graduating in 2015 have placed 29 students in confirmed jobs, including two 2015 job offers from international firm Allen & Overy (A&O).
The so-called Day Zero of recruitment, on 18 and 19 April 2014, saw seven law firms interview students before any other recruiters for the 2015 batch – Amarchand Mangaldas, AZB & Partners, J Sagar Associates (JSA), Khaitan & Co, Luthra & Luthra, Talwar Thakore & Associates and Trilegal.
The firms made a total of 35 offers on Day Zero, of which 20 were accepted by students. Lakshmikumaran also offered one pre-placement offer (PPO), following an earlier internship of a student, and a well-known research organisation, the name of which could not be disclosed for confidentiality reasons, also made one PPO, alongside seven other PPOs and equivalent offers.
Amarchand was the largest recruiter, picking up nine 2015 graduates from campus interviews, followed by Khaitan that hired seven – five on campus on Day Zero, and two through PPOs.
Luthra & Luthra hired four through a mix of Day Zero offers and PPOs.
Two Nalsar students are also the first reported 2015-batch law students holding confirmed training contracts with a Magic Circle international law firm: Allen & Overy (A&O) offered two training contracts starting in September 2015.
Training contracts typically last two years: the paid-for Qualified Lawyers Transfer Scheme (QLTS) in the UK with a stipend of £7,000 (Rs 7 lakh), running contemporaneously with a two-year training contract at the firm: A&O pays £39,000 (Rs 39 lakh) to first-year trainees, and £44,000 in the second year.
… the seminal figures are a testament to the quality of the batch and the fact that the new academic model at NALSAR has indeed borne fruit
The total 2015 batch strength at Nalsar is 74, of whom 57 students participated in the RCC.
Nalsar’s RCC consists of Sandipan De, Nishant Prasad, Archit Bhatnagar, Anandita Thass, Tanay Agarwal, Anjali Rawat, Preethi Correa, Aymen Mohammed, Yashashree Mahajan.
In a statement they thanked their vice chancellor Prof Faizan Mustafa and registrar Prof Vijender Kumar, and wrote: “We believe that the seminal figures are a testament to the quality of the batch and the fact that the new academic model at NALSAR has indeed borne fruit. We are really upbeat about the market and see an increased interest in our students which would surely place the remaining candidates very soon.
“We also congratulate the RCCs of other law schools and wish students of the graduating class of 2015 across law schools find opportunities that match their aspirations.”
Acceptances in figures
- Amarchand: 9 (all Day Zero)
- Khaitan: 7 (5 Day Zero offers + 2 PPO)
- Luthra: 4 (2 Day Zero, 2 PPO)
- JSA: 2 Day Zero offers
- Trilegal: 2 (1 Day Zero, 1 PPO)
- AZB & Partners: 1 Day Zero offer
- Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan: 1 PPO
- Research organisation (undisclosed): 1 PPO
- Allen & Overy: 2 training contracts starting September 2015 for three years (PPO equivalent)
Comments
Whatever one says, this re-establishes the fact that NLSIU and NALSAR are well ahead in terms of recruitment to the other law schools. 33/54 and 29/57 are excellent numbers.
Congratulations to NUJS too, solid figures there. surprising that only 62/113 participated in the RCC though.
NLUD seems to be lagging a bit.
Good year on the whole I'd say!
And many congratulations to the Batch of 2015 at all Law Schools for securing so many jobs. Clearly you guys wont have to struggle like we did when we graduated during recession period.....
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Aur joints kahan marte ho? Dhabe pe?
Since when did A&O's trainess from India start doing the LPC. Also, if they did, are you sure it is contemporaneous? I don't think so!
But great job, you guys!
If you got misled by that, then your intelligence is to be blamed and not Kian!
The LPC is a one year course BEFORE the training contract starts.
http://www.aograduate.com/what-we-offer/rewards-benefits/#item4
As for Rs 100 lakh - it is only a headline and the main story explains in sufficient detail what the precise situation is.
Magic Circle firms offer guaranteed two year training contract packages, that include the LPC and the like, therefore the package's / contract's value is Rs 100 lakh (or Rs 1 crore). I don't think that's an unfair description, though I accept that some readers may interpret the headline as automatically meaning "per annum".
Either way, I don't think any real harm is done.
Best wishes,
Kian
So, shall we say its Rs 30 lakhs for domestic firms? Or may be, 60 lakhs, just in case you meant five years?
It's fashionable journalism!
The context should sort of make it clear what's being referred to in each case.
In this case, the context is that foreign firms pay a lot these days and we haven't written about and explained foreign firm packages in a while as we had done in this story.
And, if anyone is in doubt as to what it means, there is always the full article to read that explains it in more detail.
Cheerio,
Kian
The context should sort of make it clear what's being referred to in each case.
In this case, the context is that foreign firms pay a lot these days and we haven't written about and explained foreign firm packages in a while as we had done in this story.
And, if anyone is in doubt as to what it means, there is always the full article to read that explains it in more detail.
Cheerio,
Kian[/quote]
Kian you are such a sensible chap normally but why do you resort to this gimmicky reporting. Do you think readers are fools? I mean seriously, which profession EVER says $... with a footnote that the amount is for the next 3 or 4 years combined). Its beyond bad, its idiotic.
I'm keeping an eye out for that firm, as should you!
I'm keeping an eye out for that firm, as should you![/quote]
One took AMSS the other took KCO. Everyone on campus loves TT&A. I think that is why they have been included in Day Zero.
Please do. Come here.
Anyway, congrats. Nothing better than a sense of security.
Since you say “can’t”, I would suggest that you focus on building a good CV. It is not like any other lawschool is managing 100% Day Zero placements, although it is true that some have placed more students on Day Zero. It is also not like your alumni/seniors haven’t been placed with the best foreign and domestic firms. Years ago, when I was in your shoes, the campus was a fraction of what it has become today and we didn’t even have a batch out in the market! If you think cynically, you’ll pull yourself down; but if you focus on your goals, you’ll reap benefits.
Think positive. All the best.
Fyi, we old timers still call our alma mater NLU, not NLUJ. Some fool started NLUJ. Must be Prof. Daga.
See it's not just about the placements anymore.Thanks to all of you, the college does have a good name because of which, recruiters still come to Jodhpur. And as we can see from the Day Zero figures of other colleges,it's not like the market does not need lawyers either. So, where is the problem? The problem is we are not producing the good lawyers anymore. And I am sorry to say that the skills that are required in one are not being imparted here.Instead we have a back crushing academic curriculum which promotes rot-learning and leaves us with no time to self-develop or "build a good CV". And even when we do manage to find the time, there is only a limited extent to which we can do things on our own. The lack of support and creative impetus from the Administration is appalling.
An argument will come that this is the state of affairs everywhere. Well, every other place has a strong alumni support base from which they can expect some help, like we saw in the case of NUJS, where the alumni tackled with the administration problems, something which the students cannot do because of the backlash that can come. You guys,however, seem to have deserted your alma mater!
So yeah, I am cynical because the situation is appropriate for that. You have some of the brightest young minds of the country in the middle of this god-damn desert going to waste, literally.
The alumni can do something about this. They should.
I am sorry if I have offended you. Really am because that's not the intention.
And yeah, it was fine till 2008 to call ourselves NLU since we were the only one with the name. Now with NLU Delhi and NLU Orissa, it can get confusing.
I feel very sorry for the state of mind you are in and it, perhaps, calls for a long post. Obviously, the lack of a sense of security that you are experiencing can create a lot of doubt and anxiety. You are a grown up and studying to be a lawyer, so I am going to state some facts, which may be helpful to give you some correct perspective. After that, you decide for yourself whether you need to adopt a different view.
1. The market goes by what it sees, and the recent batches have “shown themselves off” much better e.g. NLU’s recent/present batches have consistently done far better in moots than the older batches.
2. The Day Zero figures of all colleges show that none of them have managed to secure 100% placements. Obviously, the figures also show that NLU is lagging behind NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS. I am sure you knew this to be the reality when you indicated your CLAT preferences.
3. In my time, we had 6 to 7 one hour classes, spread out from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., on every day of the week except Wednesdays. Saturdays, Sundays and all public holidays (including Diwali and Independence Day) were working days at NLU. When the VC changed from Dr. Mitra to Dr. Kaul, we started getting holidays on Sundays and public holidays, but the long gruelling hours continued. Never mind, we managed to build our CVs and many of us are grateful for the gruelling regime which helped us to grow and make a name for the baby NLU.
4. I am not sure what administrative support you are lacking that the earlier batches did not lack, but I can tell you that we also faced issues with the Internet, had limited “deemed attendance” and the related tussles. Once, they tried to restrict us to “one off-campus event per semester”. One faculty member even criticized NLU in front of a recruiter which, thankfully, didn’t cause the damage it was intended to cause. The placement cell was run by the most incompetent people like Daga and Banerjee Junior. You see, the administration often tends to suck in every institute in this country and the students need to “stick it” to the management and take over. I sometimes feel upset that the recent batches are not standing up for their rights because, at the end of the day, it is YOUR college. If you can’t fight for your rights today, how will you fight for clients tomorrow? I know some students may feel that I am talking nonsense, but maybe we were less scared about backlash and more concerned about our future as a new institution. Obviously, it is always up to a few courageous and idealistic students to lead the show, because not everyone can afford to ignore the fear of backlash. Who knows, maybe you will be the one to lead others into adopting the right attitude in a couple of years!
5. Alumni support can most certainly improve. However, it is not like your alumni shows zero support when it comes to funding, or during internships, or pushing you in the right direction, or making an effort to connect with juniors, or coming back to teach, et al. But yes, this is one area that calls for some massive improvement.
These are the facts.
You have not offended me in any way! You guys are my juniors and I am fond enough of NLU to listen to your grievances with empathy! On a lighter note, even I cursed the God-damned dessert and the lack of nightclubs when I was in Jodhpur, but I have more reasons to be proud of NLU, especially you juniors who are reaching greater heights in many ways. I am sure you will also do your bit for the NLU banner in the next 4 years.
The nomenclature point was really a “fun fact” of sorts. I was neither suggesting that it is wrong to call ourselves NLUJ, nor blaming any current NLU student for making the rational choice of using NLUJ. However, I personally feel that it would show the right kind of pride and attitude to stick to NLU and let others prefix and suffix words to distinguish themselves like G-NLU and NLU-D. Even today, NLS students sometimes laughingly claim that they are the “law school” and it is not incorrect to do that on a lighter vein. There, I said it(!!!), even if it may not be politically correct. If anyone says, “Which NLU?”, you can always respond, “There’s only one NLU”! If we do that, the market would pretty much know that NLU, by default, means NLUJ!
Coming to jobs, just study reasonably hard and get some decent moots and publications on your CV, along with 2-3 decent internships. Obviously, not everyone at any law school will get into a foreign firm or a top Indian firm because you will only reap what you sow. But even for those who do not have a dazzling CV, there are a lot of great options beyond the world of law firms. You can work with top private sector companies and banks, or with a PSU, or with a regulator, or with a UN agency, or in the judiciary, or even in the Army. All pay good salaries and promise a comfortable life. Having said that, you should aim to have a CV which is dazzling enough to get you what you want regardless of how your college is ranked.
P.S. I intend to do something about better alumni support, but no point "just talking" at this point of time.
I'd like to thank you for your reply.I kinda get most of what you are saying. And you guys can just drop by sometime you know.Not necessarily for a lecture or anything. Just saying :)
Thanks anyway.
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And yeah, it was fine till 2008 to call ourselves NLU since we were the only one with the name. Now with NLU Delhi and NLU Orissa, it can get confusing.[/quote]
Dude, we are NLUO, Cuttack or NLUO, not NLU Orissa.
You don't have any qualms being called NLUO, kindly just explain to me what the "o" stands for, if not Orissa or Odisha?
http://www.nluo.ac.in/document/NLUO-Prospectus-2011-12.pdf
See it's not just about the placements anymore.Thanks to all of you, the college does have a good name because of which, recruiters still come to Jodhpur. And as we can see from the Day Zero figures of other colleges,it's not like the market does not need lawyers either. So, where is the problem? The problem is we are not producing the good lawyers anymore. And I am sorry to say that the skills that are required in one are not being imparted here.Instead we have a back crushing academic curriculum which promotes rot-learning and leaves us with no time to self-develop or "build a good CV". And even when we do manage to find the time, there is only a limited extent to which we can do things on our own. The lack of support and creative impetus from the Administration is appalling.
An argument will come that this is the state of affairs everywhere. Well, every other place has a strong alumni support base from which they can expect some help, like we saw in the case of NUJS, where the alumni tackled with the administration problems, something which the students cannot do because of the backlash that can come. You guys,however, seem to have deserted your alma mater!
So yeah, I am cynical because the situation is appropriate for that. You have some of the brightest young minds of the country in the middle of this god-damn desert going to waste, literally.
The alumni can do something about this. They should.
I am sorry if I have offended you. Really am because that's not the intention.
And yeah, it was fine till 2008 to call ourselves NLU since we were the only one with the name. Now with NLU Delhi and NLU Orissa, it can get confusing.[/quote]
Bhai. The academic load has reduced one hell of a lot over the years.
And, we've always called the college "NLU" or (although Mandor La Kaleej is also a fine substitute).
Otherwise your claim would not mean as much, eh? :-)
Otherwise, nobody would think that winning Jessup/Stetson/Vis is worth anything :)
[i]P.S. I don't think you moot or care much for mooters. As far as eternal glory goes, my moots were actually discussed in my training contract interview and my individual trophies sit and shine on my desk.[/i]
They might not give a rats ass about the academic model, but the academic model made them give a rats ass about NALSAR Students.
Also most of these firms have gone to all the other colleges before NALSAR, and one cant say that jobs were doled out purely on the basis of the NALSAR tag.
The students deserve the credit for their efforts.
The "new academic model" is extremely relevant in how students have built their CVs you doofus. They have extremely specific electives and seminars over the past few semesters that was the thrust of the new model. Not to mention the rigorous practical training that they were imparted with thanks to an NYU grad teaching them Corporate Law and ensuring that the excellent Teaching Assistants from Nalsar Batch of 2013 taught them drafting, transactions and regulatory frameworks so well.
I wonder what you define 'competence' as.
I think the two RCCs have shared a cordial relationship. Across law schools people seem to have matured. WTF would you want to start this?
Yes, 33>29. We are happy with it.
Sometimes grow up and be mature. Being a better human is sometimes more important than having more numbers.
Lets wait for NLU J to come out with their actual numbers. They are going to fudge the numbers and make it seem like only 25% of the students sat for recruitment.
Baap baap hota hai aur beta beta!
P.S. - Don't fight but try to create a network of Law students like IIT's etc.
P.S. - Don't fight but try to create a network of Law students like IIT's etc.[/quote]
Calling college better than the rest on the basis of its standing in MPL is like calling Ashwin a better batsman than Kohli because his strike rate is better.
Moots and other achievements are very important, given that studying in a better ranked college does not automatically convert to the highest paying jobs or guarantee admission to Harvard or Yale.
[i]Disclosure: I am a NLU-ite, so had to jump in.[/i]
I think not everything is a comparison or competition. There is nothing to take away from the amazing recruitment season that NLS has had.
And we at NALSAR are very happy to see the legal market doing well and happy that NLS also has done an amazing job.
But I also think, so has NALSAR done an amazing job. It is childishly immature to convert everything into a competition of numbers. NUJS as well has had good day zero figures.
We should all be ecstatic that the law schools are doing well this year for the batch of 2015.
[quote name="Guest"]33>29. Just saying[/quote]
well its all about perspective .. Day zero fgures as i see 20>17
Can you stop being childish? This article has been modified. Earlier it contained a quote by Sandipan De saying NALSAR had better Day 0 figures than NLS. Obviously, because NLS students managed to get more jobs through PPOs. They didn't have to sit for Day 0.
http://www.legallyindia.com/201305103663/Law-schools/nalsar-day-zero-28-offers-for-2014
[quote name="NALSARite"]I do not intend to get into this mudslinging business, but last year it was NALSAR-25, NLS-24. Just saying. And we were happy even then, like we are now. So please grow up.
http://www.legallyindia.com/201305103663/Law-schools/nalsar-day-zero-28-offers-for-2014[/quote]
@Nalsar people- I apologize for this idiocy. Congrats to you guys!
[quote name="Anonymous"]Any update on NLIU's day zero ? I have heard the placement scenario there has improved a lot.[/quote]
Also lets not forget that these numbers will be skewed more heavily once the remaining law school students convert their foreign vac schemes. For all intents and purposes, it's 33 v. 27. Just saying.
Taking a step back from all this, this is not something to measure dicks over, just be happy people are getting jobs.
Also, you seem to be a bit full of yourself. What's with the long-ass bitchy comment lol.
Just Saying.
10 lakhs used to be the magic number, but this seems to have moved up to 12 lakh now.
Without any doubt AZB is now becoming one of the worst places to work. The managing partner's whims and tantrums are becoming a joke and the amount of mental harassment associates of all levels face is unbelievable. The NALSAR kids who rejected AZB did a very wise thing.
Will correct the main article: Indian grads only have to take the QLTS, at the same time as their training contract, for which they will get the same stipend as the LPC lot do.
It raises some rather interesting questions in respect of reciprocity - it does seem rather easy for Indian grads to qualify in the UK...
On reciprocity, see section 47 of the [Indian] Advocates Act and related rules and notifications.
Indian grads who get offers from London and New York firms are anyway smart enough to dual-qualify "rather easily" :)
I guess it's meant to compensate for the extra cramming you have to do or something?
The reciprocity rules, if I remember rightly, can easily be read that the UK allows Indian lawyers to practice, if duly qualified (i.e. QLTS), which would give the BCI the discretion under the Advocates Act to allow nationals from the UK to practice here if duly qualified (i.e., they pass the AIBE?).
Of course, that's unlikely to happen. Just sayin :)
Much easier to pick a non-point and use it to deflect attention.
The final nail in the coffin of this argument? The number of Indian lawyers practicing in the US and the UK and the number of Indian firms who have set up offices in those jurisdictions, as reported by LI in the past.
From the recruiter perspective, they want to catch them young. Foreign firms make offers two years in advance, so Indian firms need to grab some of the toppers by shopping alongside the foreign firms. They also have to interview the average students at the same time they interview the toppers because even the average ones may not be available later if they get fat offers from companies or accept PPOs made by rival domestic firms. In reality, the so-called "important papers" are not necessarily an indication of legal quotient and, in any event, Indian firms hire more by hype/pedigree (e.g. they have been seen to prefer toppers who are less smart and even average students from the best colleges), while foreign firms select on the basis of some analytical tests and practical assignments in addition to considering the pedigree. It is possible that some of the bigger Indian firms tend to prefer a mix of good and average recruits, because they want some attrition at later stages given that law firms work on a pyramid model i.e. with much fewer partners than senior associates and much fewer senior associates than associates. To develop legal quotient, the really important "base papers" are contracts, company law, constitution, criminal law, jurisprudence, interpretation of statutes, law of evidence and the like. Law firms assume that the kids who fit their criteria of "bright and promising" will be able to manage the 4th and final year papers if their grasp of "base papers" is good.
The colleges prefer to organize the Day Zero early so that they can plan the later phases of placements after Day Zero. It takes time to plan and place the large number of remaining students.
People may correctly or incorrectly criticize some of the points I have made, but it is the reality. You judge for yourself based on the quality of rebuttals to any of my points.
Further,this 26 in NUJS, does not include Internships with Magic Circle Firms acquired by 3 people not included in the placed as they did not sit for Day Zero. Nonetheless great to see the increase this year.
The Class of 2012 had 29 acceptances which includes 5 law firms and 1 TC, as same as yours with lesser law firms.
the point is not to have 100 offers split among 10 individuals but getting more people placed.
Look at Class of 2014 only three offers were wasted.
STOP Publicizing Your Folly!
Nuff said.
i think this batch has a history of getting jobs. Total number is 31 jobs. 30 for its people and 1 for faizan nustafa.
after all they removed now look here.
Already on it.
"7,000 (Rs 7 lakh), running contemporaneously with a two-year training contract at the firm: A&O pays £39,000 (Rs 39 lakh) to first-year trainees, and £44,000 in the second year."
7 lakhs + 39 lakhs + 44 lakhs = 90 lakhs
headline ke liye kuch bhi??
If you relied on fact that students will definitely be there for the 2 years of the training period (without there being any guarantee whatsoever), why havent you done so for the Luthra offers which has a three year lock in?
Devoid of logic!
Probably his conversion rate was a little outdated at 105 INR per GBP.
They still get that as QLTS grant. Just blew up half of mine on a Eurotrip.
Now I really wish I'd given CLAT again. Way too late here. I'm a 2013 graduate with a job; but not half as well-paying!
Come to Nalli. We will make a Naxalite out of youl