Nalsar Hyderabad has increased its batch size from 80 to 120 students from this year, after having been in violation of a Bar Council of India (BCI) rule on batch sizes for up to nine years.
Nalsar vice chancellor Prof Faizan Mustafa told Legally India that BCI rules specify that “sections” of students need to be in multiples of 60.
“The rule is very clear that you can not have more than 60 in one section,” said Mustafa. We have been in violation of this rule for eight or nine. [The college authorities] have decided we better comply with the BCI rule.”
Mustafa said that NLU Delhi and NLSIU Bangalore were also in technical violation of the rule and they might be forced to make changes.
The new batch size of 120 going forward, will be divided into two sections of 60 students each. In a class of 80 taking lectures together, interactions do not take place as much due to the size of the class.
This move would effectively double teaching duties of teachers and Mustafa said that some additional faculty recruitments would be required.
However, he added that because Nalsar had a good student teacher ratio with 38 to 40 full-time faculty members, including eight professors, the work load would be manageable. “With some recruitments we should be able to do it,” he said.
Under the credit system he had introduced in 2012, many courses are also taught by visiting professors and alumni and those were not included in the total teacher count.
The domicile reservation at Nalsar, since the bifurcation of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh, would only apply to residents of Telangana and Hyderabad, confirmed Mustafa, since Nalsar was not one of the institutions included in the state reorganisation act’s schedule.
Update 16:21
Just spoke to Prof Mustafa. In short, he’s saying that running at 80 students with two sections is simply not financially possible.
The state provides only Rs 4 crore per year as capital budget (can not be spent on expenses but only infrastructure) plus a small UGC grant every five years.
But the school faces Rs 25 crores of expenses annually. 80% of this comes from tuition fees.
If you’re running to sections at only 40 students, it’s a slightly inefficient use of teaching resources and the BCI strongly suggests either 60 or 120, apparently.
There is room to house everyone but a new hostel is currently being built also.
Teaching and non-teaching salaries have gone up a lot in the last year due to government’s new pay commission.
Finally, he says that almost all other law schools have 120 or more students now - “It’s not viable to run an NLU with 80,” he said.
Hope that helps.
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Its there in the BCI Education Rules, 2008. Schedule III, Section 5A 5A. Size of a section : The Inspection Committee may approve for admission in
each of the section of a class for not more than 60 students and may allow a
minimum of two sections in each class but not more than five sections in one
class (such as First Year or Second Year or Third Year, etc) as the case may be
unless there is any exceptional reason for granting more sections in a Class, such
a reason has to be specified by the inspection Committee.
This is the link.. please check page 31
[quote]5A. Size of a section : The Inspection Committee may approve for admission in
each of the section of a class for not more than 60 students and may allow a
minimum of two sections in each class but not more than five sections in one
class (such as First Year or Second Year or Third Year, etc) as the case may be
unless there is any exceptional reason for granting more sections in a Class, such
a reason has to be specified by the inspection Committee.[/quote]
Looks like it's 60 maximum, so they could in theory have had two sections of 40. Though I guess that could have ended up being more expensive, increasing teacher workload without increasing batch sizes?
Should I ask Prof Mustafa for clarification on why they take a lower section size?
Do you think the main reason was to generate revenue for the college? Does a college profit immediately from having more students? Does Nalsar have excess dorm space available at the moment?
And No NALSAR DOESNOT have enough infrastructure to even run that stupid MBA program, let alone this new addition! Poor chaps could sue for fraud (with the authenticity of placements promised).
And Yes of course NALSAR needs more revenue! But is this the best way? Seriously!!! [/b]
Why can't you people grow a pair and protest outside the library like the good old days. Or burn the Electricity room/ Generator, also like the good old days. Or throw chappals at someone, like the good old days.
Kian isn't going to do any of that for you, and trust me you'll have fun doing it... You may have a DISCOM after.. but trust me it will be fun
On a serious note, the SBC should really do something about this.
I suggest you bring a team of alumni at next meet and show us some pairs (No offences meant)
And FYI Kodali is very much there in current SBC.
#BringbackKhemka
Also, Kian, I don't know if NALSAR has the OBC quota in place already or whether this move is also linked to providing the OBC quota. I know that in many law schools, there are proposals for increasing batch size for the express purpose of accommodating the OBC quota. Is that part of the story here as well? That's something you should ask FM.
P.S. - Before rebutting jobs argument please bear in mind not everyone comes to NALSAR with a platinum card.
60 Students
| Total Cost: X Capital Cost + Y Fixed Operating Cost + 60*Z Operating Cost per student
| Revenues: 60*A
| Profit: 60A - (X+Y+60Z)
| Assumption X=120, Y=30, Z=1, A=4
| i.e Profit: 60*4 - (120+30+(60*1) = 240-210 = 30 i.e. a profitability of 12.5%
120 Students
| Total Cost: X Capital Cost + Y Operating Cost + 120*Z Operating Cost per student
| Revenues: 120*A
| Profit: 120A - (X+Y+120Z)
| Assumption X=120, Y=30, Z=1, A=4
| i.e Profit: 120*4 - (120+30+(120*1) = 480-270 = 210 i.e. a profitability of 43.75%
Just spoke to Prof Mustafa. In short, he's saying that running at 80 students with two sections is simply not financially possible.
The state provides only Rs 4 crore per year as capital budget (can not be spent on expenses but only infrastructure) plus a small UGC grant every five years.
But the school faces Rs 25 crores of expenses annually. 80% of this comes from tuition fees.
If you're running to sections at only 40 students, it's a slightly inefficient use of teaching resources and the BCI strongly suggests either 60 or 120, apparently.
There is room to house everyone but a new hostel is currently being built also.
Teaching and non-teaching salaries have gone up a lot in the last year due to government's new pay commission.
Finally, he says that almost all other law schools have 120 or more students now - "It's not viable to run an NLU with 80," he said.
Hope that helps.
1. lesser pay for teachers (which still is way below what you guys earn, or we would in the coming years) [the Jindals ready to pounce for the good ones]; or
2. grants from the state government have dried out given Naidu isn't CM anymore [and he'll never beagain]; or
3. the cost of everything has gone higher; or
4. no back-door anymore (like in your times) getting in kids of ministers and senior officials of the state, or well known publishing houses and builders etc. [check Delhi is still outside CLAT].
Well that some things of the top of my head.
VC, Kyun paisa paisa 'karti' hai tuu??
P.S: NALSAR is a no ragging campus.
Also, think about the stampede which will take place on fests as people battle it out for food.
PS: Thanks and dhandz for catecorically tearing apart the RS NALSAR.
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To simplify Spiderman's power rule in terms of funding is as follows:-
With great funding comes great amount of intervention.
- A few VC's had tried talking to the previous government about it, and also enjoyed some support during the tenure of Veerapa Moily. However as the ministers were shuffled, a new one came and wasn't interested.
- There was another effort as the NDA government came in. However, despite his best efforts Bimal Patel (who is known to be close to the PM) hasn't been able to get the VC's an appointment with either the Law minister or the PM.
See, when you are in the know about these things you realize that the theoretical possibilities we offer (with the best interests in our heart) are not something which haven't been tried by those running these institutions.
Hope this clarifies why NLUs getting what IIT/IIMs have isn't a reality right now.
The school is genuinely struggling on the financial front. The Telangana state government is prioritizing larger public universities such as Osmania and Kakatiya. It is quite unlikely that the annual grant will be increased in the next few years. So increasing intake is certainly one among several measures that have been proposed by the administration. There is also a plan to scale up the proximate education programmes since schools such as NLSIU generate quite a bit of revenue from such programmes.
There might be problems with hiring faculty since many good teachers have been choosing institutions such as NLU-Delhi and JGLS in the recent past. There could also be some teething problems with running two sections. All of these problems are surmountable and certainly do not merit some of the caustic comments made above.
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Chill maaro, joint maaro, itna tension nakko lo bayya..
AIIMS was established in 1956 and still admitting 72 students only. Needless to say how many Crores govt. spends there. That’s how you become No.1. The present path will make us CMS part II.
Since FM has been here the [u][b]following construction has taken place[/b][/u]:
1- A [u]6 theatre classroom[/u] addition to existing academic wing (initially there were only 4 + 1 large hall). This has more than doubled the 'large' (full-strength) classroom capacity at NALSAR.
2- [u]Two new hostel blocks[/u] - one each boys and girls. Each has 25 double occupancy rooms which are larger than those in any existing hostel. This creates hostel space for an extra 100 students. Result has been that in the next academic year all LLM, fifth - fourth - third year LLB students have been given single accommodation.
3- A [u]new hostel block with 120 single rooms has been sanctioned[/u] and the tender has been passed. This will further substantially increase hostel space in the next year or two.
4- Work is finally starting up on the [u]insides of the Convention Center[/u] which had been stalled for so many years in the past.
5- Also general maintenance and upkeep of the entire university infrastructure is something that goes alongside this.
...
Further:
6- paying for teachers salaries (likely to rise with the 7th pay commission in a year or two); and
7- non-teaching staff salaries (rose 43% this time around as state government pay commission report was adopted by the state; and
8- paying honorariums and travel costs to the visiting faculty (of which we get around 10/15 every semester); and
9- paying for library upkeep, addition and annual subscriptions etc; and
10- paying the substantial water and electricity bills incurred by the university; and
11- paying the ancillary costs incurred by the place (gas supply, transport costs, printing study material, internet bills, day-to-day expenditure etc.)
12- The money made available to SBC every year (35 odd lakh annually to fund moot teams, have co-curricular events, organizing Carpe Diem etc.)
Hopefully this answers your [i]"where are those crores"[/i]. All of this doesn't happen out of 4 crores given by the government. Hence,
As for your comparison with AIIMS (you have no freakin clue! but let me indulge you with a quick search on the internet):
Actual expenditure for 2011-12:
PLAN (Revenue & Capital) + Non-Plan = 751 crore + (check here: http://www.aiims.edu/aiims/annual-report/Annual%20Report-2011-2012.pdf - p. 478)
So, though you were shockingly inept with your comparisons (not knowing where AIIMS stands on the priority list of GoI vis-a-vis all NLU's comined) in a statement that did seem slightly accusatory, hopefully you do understand that:
751 crore > 4 crore
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It is for this reason Kian that you need to bring in the facility to comment using social-media log-ins. Anonymity allows people to throw around whatever crap they wish to.
If it were giving, there would not have been any crunch of money. Someone has said that govt should not spend crores on few. In this context I said where are those crores? No where because they are not given at the first place. I am saying it should and it is not doing this in case of NALSAR but doing in AIIMS and that's why it is No. 1. I have not made any allegations of financial impropriety let me say it categorically. Pls. read carefuly before you get hurt without reason. Don't call others comments crap for your failure to understand and create a controversy out of no where.
However, your post wasn't clear to me atleast. Hopefully my putting down the fact assisted in substantiating the argument you intended to make.
For any further readers: Disregard the caustic nature of direct comment on the poster above and have a look at the facts presented.
What I am saying is, the cost of producing one doctor from AIIMS was 1.7 Cr. according to a 2009 report prepared by AIIMS administration. By now it should be easily 2.5 cr. which means 50 lakhs a year. And the govt. is giving 4 cr. to a top law institute. I am not demanding a recently announced AIIMS like facelift of 1500 cr but 4 cr to 500 students is nothing but a joke. In order to produce quality legal professionals the govt.must spend more on each law student.