Nearly 300 Ma students attend bar exam case #7; All may be clubbed into SC's Bonnie FOI as state BCs investigate

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A High Court bench in Maharashtra has ordered the petitioner students of Manikchand Pahade Law College to join the Bar Council of India vs Bonnie FOI Law College and Ors proceedings to set aside their grievances against the all india bar examination while it is understood that the BCI has written to the CJI to seek transfer of such pending petition to the Supreme Court (SC).

Nearly 300 students of the college had assembled in the court premises yesterday according to students to await the outcome of final arguments in the writ petition 5269/2010 filed by law students Sunil Shamlal Bhagure and nine others before the Aurangabad division bench consisting of justices P V Hardas and N D Deshpande.

The petitioners’ counsel Satish Talekar said yesterday: “The matter was heard for three days continuously and unfortunately for us today they passed an order granting time till 9 August to apply before the SC on the statement made by the BCI’s counsel.

“The counsel appearing for the BCI stated that there was some order [Bonnie FOI] made by Madhya Pradesh High Court challenging the BCI and that SLP [Special Leave Petition] is posted for hearing on the 30 July.”

The Bonnie FOI case concerned BCI inspections of law colleges, with the case reaching the Supreme Court in 2008 where the bench also addressed issues related to general legal education reform to improve standards.

Talekar explained: “So the judges said that if the same issue is pending before the SC [Supreme Court Bonnie FOI case] then judicial discipline propriety demands that they must refrain from hearing the matter unless there is an order passed under Article 145 by the SC transferring all the petitions to SC.”

“Unless such an order is passed you can’t refuse to hear the matter and abdicate judicial power,” said Talekar. “Now all the petitions will be heard together.”

Assistant Solicitor General and standing counsel Alok Sharma appeared for the BCI.

The writ petition was filed on 18 June by ten students of Manikchand Pahade Law College following the BCIs announcement to hold an entry level exam to practice law in the country on 5 December.

Petitioner student Avinash told Legally India that students were very disappointed.

The BCI’s decision to hold the all India bar exam has faced stiff opposition by the student community with at least six reported writ petitions already filed in different high courts of the country ever since the bar exam was announced on 2 June.

BCI chairman and Solicitor General of India Gopal Subramanium had commented on the legality of these writ petitions in interview with Legally India, published Tuesday.

He said: “I am clear in my mind that it’s legal and constitutional,” an said. “We are planning to also get these petitions transferred to the Supreme Court because [the petitions are all] dealing with one aspect.”

Meanwhile, the Bar Council of Delhi has formed a three-member committee consisting of Amit Sharma, Rakesh Tiku and Puneet Mittal to draft a white paper to look into the legality of bar exam.

The Delhi Bar Council’s Mittal told Legally India: “We are examining the issue: there are some serious problems to be addressed and we’ll be discussing alternate solutions and other state bar councils have also worked on it, but prima facie it is contrary to the SC judgement in V Sudeer.”

Meanwhile, the National Delegation of Law Students led by Amity Law School student Siddharth Seth had approached the State Bar Council for support through a representation based on legal principles involved in this whole issue.

Seth said: “Almost all state Bar Councils have opposed this exam on one ground or the other, some have passed resolutions against it, several legal luminaries have raised questions, many academicians are also worried, final year students throughout the country are unanimously requesting that it should be called off and even the BCI has partially accepted that it is causing hardship.”

Download the Aurangabad writ petition here.

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Comments

Anonymous guest 16 Jul 2010, 19:37
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Maharashtra High Court??????????????

Bal and Raj will be very happy...
Anonymous guest 16 Jul 2010, 19:52
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Why the hell are law students not filing a petition challenging the advocates act and demanding foreign law firms? That will help their careers much more than avoiding the bar exam. These students seem to have cowdung inside their heads.
Anonymous guest 16 Jul 2010, 21:14
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er..kian, maharashtra high court? this must be embarassing for legally india
kianganz 16 Jul 2010, 21:24
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Thanks for pointing out - that should of course have read Aurangabad division bench of the Bombay High Court but was caused by a misguided attempt to shorten introduction to the article somewhat.

We have amended the copy to read "A High Court bench in Maharashtra" rather than "The Maharashtra High Court", which I realise might still leave room for objection but should be a little clearer.

Best,
Kian
Anonymous guest 16 Jul 2010, 22:02
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@ 1 & 3 - Despise people who unnecessarily nitpick...that too on no basis, please tell me the technical difference between Maharashtra High Court (aka Bombay High Court) or Delhi High Court and Rajasthan High Court or Karnataka High Court for that matter.

You can refer to the official court web site, rather that questioning Legally India(which so kindly entertains nimbits like you)blow your horn before the legislative or judicial policy makers!

http://www.indiancourts.nic.in/
Anonymous guest 16 Jul 2010, 23:44
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@ 5: I will hardly classify this as nitpicking, and i daresay kian will agree. legally india is a site meant for lawyers, and a mistake such as this one will be considered a howler, rather than being merely "technical". Was it just "technical" when indian newspapers went to town about the decreminalisation of "Article" 377 of the IPC?
Meerkat 17 Jul 2010, 00:39
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What's keeping you from doing it #2? Since the ones baying for foreign firms to enter the country are mostly employed associates, its only sensible that they fight for the cause. Let the law students deal with the pressures of law school and enjoy their time there. I'm sure having cowdung in our heads trumps asking others to do your work for you.
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 00:41
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@ 6
Don’t care if you agree, I never said it’s a technical mistake because there is no mistake per se.
I had asked to be explained the technical difference between why the Rajasthan High Court is normally not referred to as the Jodhpur High Court and the Karnataka High Court is called as such and not Bangalore High Court whereas its always Allahabad High Court, not Uttar Pradesh High Court or Patna High Court, not Bihar High Court.
Lessons in nitpicking, especially for you - how could a lawyer/person with a law background like yours (assuming you are one, by your own admission: “legally india is a site meant for lawyers”) refer to Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860 as Article 377? That is an error, also its Legally India not legally india and ‘decriminisation’ is spelled wrong - The general stuff that can be ignored unless someone’s a habitual nitpicker.
Meerkat 17 Jul 2010, 00:45
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I prefer using spelt. Sounds better than spelled #8 :-)
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 00:58
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Fair enough Meerkat, each to their own.
Also which is why, I fail to understand how should a mere mention of Maharashtra High instead of Bombay High Court cause embarrassment to Legally India?
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 02:23
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these people campaigning against the bar exam are mediocre students who are afraid of failing the exam. when we were in law school we studied hard, we were were not lazy bums like you. you deserve a kick in the...
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 02:40
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Law is clear as per V. Sudeer's case the Bar Council of India has no power to formulate any new condition as Bar exam or anything else. It should be noted that if they want they will have to bring an amendment and amend sec 24 which prescribes conditions to become an advocate. Even sec 49(1)(ah) can never be interpreted so broadly that all together a new condition is introduced. Its really unfortunate to se that legal luminories like Gopal Subramanium is not understanding it. As it is several legal luminories including great academicians , jurists and even his own sttae bar councils feel this and are opposing it on these grounds. This All India Bar Exam concept is really unconstitutional as of now.
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 02:42
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#11 grow up no body is against exam u id..t , if u ever read law books go and first take a constitutional bare act , then advocates act and then comment , if u have the courage then come and defend this exam from a legal background
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 02:51
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Its really unfortunate to see some lazy law students for whom this examj makes no difference because actually they never studied law in its true sense. For them its just other exam criticizing these students who have taken an intiative to raise their voices against wrong displays their knowledge of law and their discipline for this profession because they are not yet ready to face this world. I am a product of so called NLSss and i believe that the amount of courage shown by these students through indepth research is really commendable and what is the use of becoming a lawyer when u dont knw what the law is. I am with u guys ! In fact we all are..
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 03:02
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Well i believe that its hightime that the BCI should call off this exam when it is facing such stiff and valid opposition from all quarters
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 03:11
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What does GS want why cant he understand this simple problem , if he doesnt understand now take it that BCI will face great humiliation. Why is he so adamant are all of us fools , we are not opposing examination but his hast decision which is devoid of any merit . Even the law does not support his view. We all appreciate him and his views but he cannot be a [dictator]
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 04:44
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Similar petition has been filed in the Madhya Pradesh High Court as well
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 17:38
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# 2 and # 11 are a bunch of loser/unsuccessful frustrated lawyers..
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 21:36
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Students in aurangabad ready for a large scale protest.
Meerkat 17 Jul 2010, 21:40
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I will say this though - as a recent graduate who will be taking up the exam this December, if the reasons for introducing the exam are that legal standards in the country are falling and that trend needs to be corrected, then it shouldn't be the batch of outgoing students alone that should be tested. After all, they have nothing to do with the current legal standards not being up to par! The blame/credit for the state of a country's legal standards lies with its existing practitioner - judges and advocates alike. Why not ask them all to write qualifying exams too? With all due respect to all the lawyers on here, i'm sure a handful of the millions of advocates and perhaps some judges in the country will in all likelihood fail the exam.

But that is a decision the BCI cannot take. It's easy for the BCI to impose its will on a few thousand students with no real voice of their own than to do so on an imposing figure of a million + who will literally bring the legal machinery in the country to a standstill if they were asked to write the exam too.
Meerkat 17 Jul 2010, 22:11
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Sorry for the multiple posts, but getting an email notification for my own reply is a bit whack. Please try and fix it if possible Kian :-)
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 22:21
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Mr. Subramanium please try to understand pl get us our right to practise its high time.
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 22:22
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What is the BCI doing now it wants to club all petitions and delay the decision . Mr subramanium we want an answer commeon sir we are waiing for it pl u cannot do this sort of injustice to us
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 22:23
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This examination is completely illegal , it has serious flaws somebdy pl make bci realize . Why is BCI wasting our time ?
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 22:25
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Thanks legally india for keeping us update atleast u are giving us a fair platform to raise our concers. iam from mumbai and we will also like to share certain information. 20 students in bombay are also filing a writ prtition here
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 22:30
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Mr. Gopal Subramanium students are not against u sir why ant u understand but please realize our problems. u please keep urself in our shoes and then see. we dont have great legal backings , for us every month counts.
Anonymous guest 17 Jul 2010, 23:08
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Clubbing matters in sc is just a way to delay this issue and later on they will say why dont u gv this exam as the date is near and u have already wasted so much of time . i think supreme court should immediately pass an interim order to cancel this exam for this year and then decide on constitutionality and all as administrative law principle favors us.
Anonymous guest 18 Jul 2010, 03:06
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I dont understand y u r giving MR ________ so much importance u go to delhi bar council they are not stoping u for practicing and they are criticising _______ like anything, it is so difficult for a person to bear such a bad name within his legal fraternity. Yes ________ is right taht there is a downfall of legal profession because there are peopel like ___________ who are making this profession dirty.
fatehpal singh 18 Jul 2010, 14:55
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3 member expert committee constituted by the SC which was headed by MR. Subramanium in its final report submitted to the SC said" that bar exams cannot happen without a amendment to the Advocates Act."

what caused such a sudden change in statements, even the law commission and knowledge commission have said that to conduct bar exams the advocates act must be amended.

what has caused the BCI to make such a so called perfect example of "a back door legislation" is best know to just them.


Also on June on the release of the vision statement Talking to journalists, Law Minister Veerappa Moily said "He said the legal profession was governed by the Advocates Act and no Bill would be possible without amending the Act."

BCI Vice-Chairman R. Dhanapal Raj and members of various State Bar Councils were present at the launch of the Vision Statement.


Every law is an evil, for every law is an infraction of liberty.
principles of Morals and Legislation, Jeremy Bentham.
fatehpal singh 18 Jul 2010, 14:56
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its was 2nd June(correction to the above)
Anonymous guest 18 Jul 2010, 22:04
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i fully support the bar exam. it should be tough like the CA or bombay solicitor exam. not more than 5-10% should pass.
Anonymous guest 18 Jul 2010, 23:54
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What is BCI doing can sm one please tell ?
Anonymous guest 19 Jul 2010, 00:35
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Is there a stay order on selling of forms till the 30th oh july ? if this is the case we should not take anysuch forms ?


one more clarification: state bar council of mp , punjab , delhi and rajasthan say none of the state bar councils have form since there are fundamental objections to this exam ?
Anonymous guest 19 Jul 2010, 00:35
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uttar pradesh, rajasthan and tamilnadu also raises their objections is it true ?
Anonymous guest 19 Jul 2010, 00:47
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yes they are not having forms and probably i think unless supreme court comes with this judgment they will not distribute forms ?
Anonymous guest 19 Jul 2010, 14:23
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BCI has given new defination for advocate. Trainee advocate & After exam, advocate who can practice. I think its amendment in constituion which BCI cannot do. BCI has no right to change constituion.
Anonymous guest 19 Jul 2010, 17:00
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let us hope that veerappa moily is shifted to the ministry of fisheries and goat farming in the next cabinet reshuffle.
Anonymous guest 20 Jul 2010, 01:24
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if feel moily does not have so much of a role to play in this entire Bar exam matter as the BCI does.
Anonymous guest 20 Jul 2010, 17:37
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The exam has been introduced vide the 'Rule', it should be made part of the Act. If it was through the Act, most of the questions raised would have been answered. Even now it is perfectly legal and within the ambit of the Act, no one has an absolute right to practice law or any other profession in this country or any other country. Lawyers are not above the law and if the issue is argued properly by Competent Counsels all the challenges to the 'exam' are likely to be thrown out with the contempt such petitions deserve. If one can study and pass law school examination, how should another examination matter at all?
fatehpal singh 20 Jul 2010, 18:42
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"The exam has been introduced vide the 'Rule', it should be made part of the Act. If it was through the Act, most of the questions raised would have been answered."
@39 you are absolutely correct

'Even now it is perfectly legal and within the ambit of the Act" this parts is a bit hazy.

When something has been expressly omitted by the Parent Act a subordinate body created under that Act does not have the power to implement such a law by means of the Delegated Rule making power(which is a form of subordinate legislation)give to it to help fulfill the role of the Act.

Such a legislation which is outside the ambit of the Act created by a subordinate rule making body is generally called a "color-able legislation".

By a omission to the Act In 1973 they felt it fit to remove Bar Exams because of the powers of quality control of the education of lawyers given to the BCI (little did they know back then that it would not be enough.)

Jean Rousseau in "The Social Contract" said "Good Laws lead to the making of better one; bad one bring out worse."

The Bar Exams are a excellent and brilliant Idea but they should be brought into force through an amendment to the Act.

The Doctrine of precedents applies in Indian courts so even other bodies of Delegated legislation will be effected by a rule in this matter of Restricting the Rule making power of a Delegated bodies.

Judgment in this case will be one to watch out for as Mr. Ram Jethmalani has moved the Sc regarding Bar exams.
[...]

So we will find out how much Power does the SC let the Delegated Bodies like the BCI exercise.

We made a mistake in the past lest we repeat it in the future worse laws will come our way.
Anonymous guest 21 Jul 2010, 21:47
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i m the one of them who filed writ petition against BCI in bombay high court bench
at aurangabad
we filed writ petition for getting right to practice.
and no doubt we will succed.
u are humbly requested for supporting us...............!
Anonymous guest 3 Aug 2010, 16:02
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well #41 hats off to you and your co-petitioners i've read the draft petition, its very effective and convincing please read comment #20 as its full of rationale as to the reasonableness of the subjects of proposed so-called Rule.
In my understanding though the Bar exam is a right concept, but in the words of Hon'ble Apex Court, "To do a right thing one must follow the right path". The right path here would be to have the power to introduce such exam, unfortunately Bar Council u/sec's 7 or 26 lack such power.
In absence of it this exam has acquired the character of forced expenditure upon thousands of Law Grads.
The legal profession purely depends upon each ones personal ability and caliber, no matter what some will certainly be better than others.
The only result of Bar Exam shall be lesser number of Advocates(special class) and the functioning of the small causes courts would come to a complete stand still, as none of the meritorious ones opt for small causes courts.
Ultimately the burden of this exam shall fall upon the already reducing numbers of litigants who would find it very hard to afford this new breed of lawyers.
Further, please read comment #29 for inputs.
Anonymous guest 3 Aug 2010, 18:37
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Hi..............
U are humbly requested for support us
in writ petition against bar council of india.
lastl'y It's question about our future yaar?
thanks.
forward it..........!!!