NIRF rankings 2019: NLSB, NLUD, Nalsar still top • NUJS jumps NLUJ, GNLU enters • Nalsar top in jobs, NLUD in teaching (all suck at research)

The Ministry of Human Resource Development (MHRD) is released its latest welcome, much-awaited (but also controversial) National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF) today.

Update 19:06: The top 4 are unchanged vis-a-vis last year, with IIT Kharagpur coming fourth.

However, NUJS Kolkata has replaced NLU Jodhpur in fifth place, climbing two ranks this year.

Symbiosis Law School Pune too has climbed, from ninth position last year to 7th this year. Jamia Milia Islamia bagged the 8th position, down from 6th.

But a new arrival is GNLU Gandhinagar, in 9th, which has taken RGNUL Patiala’s spot, which came in 10th.

NLIU Bhopal is in 11, followed by Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology, and Indian Law Institute.

The NLU RMLNLU brings up the rear in the top 15, in 14th place, followed by Dr BR Ambedkar College of Law.

Highlights in the metrics

We have dug out the individual scores in four key metrics in the table below, which place NLU Delhi at the top for “teaching and learning resources”.

NLU Delhi has also topped in research & professional practice (besides IIT Kharagpur, which came in way out on top in research, with a score of 73).

Nalsar performed best in “graduation outcomes”, with a score of 83, closely followed not by an NLU, but by SLS Pune.

In terms of “outreach and inclusivity”, vague as that sounds, most law schools were between around 65 and 76 (with NLSIU and SLS performing best here).

However, NLSIU Bangalore clearly took it home with its perception score, which was still unrivalled and a perfect 100 out of 100.

20:41: FYI, none of the PDF links with more detailed reports, data and submissions on the official website seem to be working yet. Yet again, go NIC!

Full table with main 4 metrics

Law schoolTotalTeaching, Learning & ResourcesResearch & Professional PracticeGraduation OutcomesOutreach & InclusivityPerception
NLSIU Bangalore77.2185.1638.7778.9676.02100
NLU Delhi76.2392.352.6966.3473.1275.2
Nalsar Hyderabad74.6184.338.4983.3772.5770.2
IIT Kharagpur69.8178.3773.2265.4264.646.57
NUJS Kolkata65.3973.6135.2568.1669.3466.89
NLU Jodhpur63.9471.6234.2777.9266.1740.55
SLS Pune60.6861.8617.1981.9376.9151.84
Jamia Millia Islamia59.4962.1551.0464.472.6635.98
GNLU Gandhinagar58.6469.7922.6266.970.235.98
RGNUL Patiala55.5363.3129.0160.3571.7535.98
NLIU Bhopal53.4158.8324.9561.6756.9550.15
Kalinga Inst. of Industrial Tech.52.9677.7323.8335.4663.4230.86
ILI52.4263.7419.8749.8649.2565.73
RMLNLU Lucknow52.3965.54079.4148.814.36
BR Ambedkar College of Law50.5866.174.1661.949.3230.86

Live blog below

We’re following the release of this fourth edition (but only really the second that will have a decent oversight of legal education) at the government’s livestream portal (thanks to a reader for pointing it out to us in the comments).

Since everyone is very excited, we’ll be updating this story live as the law school rankings are announced (though it could be a little while until all the other categories are done: law will be one of the last ones, we expect).

Last year, NLSIU Bangalore had come out top amongst 71 law schools, followed by NLU Delhi, Nalsar Hyderabad, IIT Kharagpur, NLU Jodhpur, Jamia Milia Islamia, NUJS Kolkata, RGNUL Patiala, Symbiosis Law School and Dr BR Ambedkar College of Law.

Our analysis last year showed that some law schools certainly massaged their figures a little bit.

So, let’s see what today’s will look like.

16:51: Unsurprisingly, no pureplay law schools in the top 10 overall rankings.

16:54: That was fast. Law is out but we’re only getting the top 3: same same as last year. The full ranking website has not been updated yet.

NIRF 2019 top law colleges (sorry for the shoddy screengrab, blame NIC)
NIRF 2019 top law colleges (sorry for the shoddy screengrab, blame NIC)

16:58: NLS rep (that’s not VC Venkata Rao, is it?) receives its gong for being best at NIRF. [UPDATE: Yes it is, apparently - we will blame the low-resolution video feed.]

NLS gets its prize
NLS gets its prize

17:05: No real surprises in the NIRF top 3 then. To be honest, it’s unlikely NUJS could have worried last year’s top 3. In fact, in light of the administrative turmoil it’s been in, it’ll be a pleasant if NUJS even managed to prepare its submissions properly and in time.

The top 3, however, clearly have a pretty slick administrative machinery doing its submissions every year, which is half the battle won in most such rankings.

19:06 The full law rankings are now live on the NIRF website. Fuller analysis up top in this story.

Comments

Breaking 8 Apr 2019, 11:25
+4 -9
NLSIU>NLUD>NALSAR!!!
Congratulations 8 Apr 2019, 11:49
+4 -5
Prof Rao had worked humbly and hard to maintain high standard set by Prof Menon and previous heads. It will be great loss for the institution that Prof Rao will retire, but larger cause of legal education will be served as sir will improve standard of another NLU.
Hedge 8 Apr 2019, 12:34
+14 -1
From the way you write, it doesn't look like you got an UG Law degree from Law School. Who are you?
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 11:52
+9 -4
The ranking is spot on. This undoubtedly reflects the reality and must be the sequence in which students choose their law schools. Kindly also note that a ranking is not based on corporate law firm salaries but a holistic analysis, such as faculty research, infrastructure and amenities, social activities etc.
kianganz 8 Apr 2019, 14:53
+7 -1
It'll be quite interesting to see whether this will be reflected in CLAT preferences this year... NIRF might be the only ranking with the theoretical credibility to affect choices (and coaching centres' recommendations).
Black panther 9 Apr 2019, 11:58
+4 -0
Let me inform you that the list is not spot on because:

1. It is the first time that NLIU participated in Nirf rankings;
2.This decision to participate was taken very hastily, close to the deadline of submitting documents;
3.The students were not informed of such a decision. An email was mailed to the students ID which could only attract a lukewarm response from them.

While these rankings are authoritative, they don't reflect the actual status.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 12:08
+4 -3
NUJS and JGLS are two law schools that did not make submissions. NUJS because the acting VC forgot the deadline, JGLS because their VC has said they will first apply for the QS world rankings and then NIRF (which sounds strange, as they are unable to clear the QS top 300 law schools, but clearing the NIRF top 10 is easier for them).

https://www.educationtimes.com/article/260/201811122018111212355284a777915e/There-has-been-a-historic-prejudice-against-private-universities-says-VC-of-OP-Jindal-Global-University--.html
Observer 8 Apr 2019, 13:31
+3 -0
NUJS AT FIFTH AND NLUJ AT SIXTH.
Dazz 8 Apr 2019, 12:25
+15 -3
NLUD ranking 2 is a brilliant achievement, as it is much younger than NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, NLIU etc. It is quite reasonable for NLUD to aim for the top spot by 2025. It is already #1 when it comes to faculty quality and faculty research, while the campus quality is top notch. It also has international connections and student exchange programmes. It is not yet #1 in placements and graduate outcomes, but this is fast improving, as seen from the UPSC success this year. A few more magic circle offers and Rhodes scholars, and the #1 slot will come closer.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 12:45
+10 -3
To those blaming Mamata for the crisis at NUJS, please note that West Bengal has done decently in the rankings, with Jadavpur University in the top 10 national universities, St Xavier's in the top 10 national colleges, and high ranks by IIT Kharagpur and IIM Calcutta. Also, the CMs of Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Telangana, Delhi and UP are populists like Mamata with a poor development record, but institutions from their states have also done well.

Yes, Mamata is bad but do not blame her for the crisis. Look inwards and ask yourselves if students have honestly been committed towards meritocracy and not taken shortcuts.
F 8 Apr 2019, 23:59
+2 -0
Calcutta University and Jadavpur University are both in the top 10 national universities, with CU ranking 5.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 12:49
+5 -0
Please update the story. It was Prof Rao who receive the award.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 12:58
+2 -0
Here are the parameters

https://www.nirfindia.org/Parameter

[b]Teaching, Learning & Resources[/b]
Student Strength including Doctoral Students
Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR)
Combined metric for Faculty with PhD (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE)
Total Budget and Its Utilisation: (CBTU)

[b]Research and Professional Practice[/b]
Combined metric for Publications (PU)
Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP)
IPR and Patents: Filed, Published, Granted and Licensed (IPR)
Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice And Executive Development Programs (FPPP):

[b]Graduation Outcomes[/b]
Combined % for Placement, Higher Studies, and Entrepreneurship (GPHE)
Metric for University Examinations: GUE
Median Salary
Metric for Graduating Students Admitted Into Top Universities (GTOP)
Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated GPHD

[b]Outreach and Inclusivity[/b]
Percent Students from other states/countries (Region Diversity RD)
Percentage of Women (WF) + (WS) + (WA)
Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS)
Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS)

[b]Perception[/b]
Peer Perception: Employers and Research Investors (PREMP)
Peer Perception: Academics (PRACD)
Public Perception (PRPUB)
Competitiveness (PRCMP)
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:26
+9 -5
I am ok with the top 3, but it is shameful that Jamia and Symbi have outranked NLIU, GNLU and RGNUL, that KIIT has outranked RMLNLU, that HNLU and NLUO are missing. It seems that Jamia and Symbi have submitted fake data. A complaint should be made to the government.
RGNLU Please? 8 Apr 2019, 16:21
+2 -2
While I agree that GNLU and NLUI should be placed higher than Symbi but on what parameters does RGNLU qualify to be ranked above or at par with Symbi?
Any RGNLU student would concede to Symbi and would not want to be placed near GNLU.
Lord Justice 8 Apr 2019, 14:30
+11 -10
Two problems with the ranking:

1. Cheaters KIIT, SLS and Jamia submitted fake data.
2. IIT law school is a niche IP law school open only to BTech grads. It cannot be included. Same for ILI.

Here is a fair ranking:

1. NLSIU
2. NLUD
3. NALSAR
4. NUJS
5. NLUJ
6 .NLIU
7. GNLU
8. NLUO
9. RGNUL
10. HNLU
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:31
+5 -16
Nalsar has firmly lost the second spot. It as become a den of naxalites who do drugs and no studies. I hope it drops further.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:35
+9 -1
[img]https://i.imgur.com/9HZD02y.png[/img]
ALIAS 27 Jun 2019, 09:17
+0 -1
ITS A JOKE LAW SCHOOLS CAN NEVER BE COMPARED TO IITs. WHAT DO LAW SCHOOLS INVENT ??????

WHAT DO LAW SCHOOLS AND STUDENTS AT LAW SCHOOL CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY ?
Guest 27 Jun 2019, 11:13
+1 -0
On that point, what do IIMs 'invent' either? 'Capitalists' like yourself?
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:40
+10 -1
According to the ranking, the graduation outcome of NUJS (which includes placements and LLM scholarships) is poorer than NLUJ, Symbi and RMLNLU. Did the college file proper data? Is there a way to find a rejoinder and get the rankings corrected?
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:44
+10 -2
What bullshit is this? How can NLSIU get 100 in perception and RMLNLU 0 in research?? How can KIIT get a better placement score than NLIU? How can Jamia's research score almost equal NLUD? How can Symbi have a higher perception score than NLUJ and IIT? It perception means brand value, then an IIT tag is the only one here comparable to an NLSIU tag in the public perception.
Keen Eye 8 Apr 2019, 14:56
+5 -1
Wow! But who would satisfy these queries.
IIT not IIL 8 Apr 2019, 16:25
+4 -0
On the parameter that it is a tech school offering law!
Let's place them higher than FMS (in management rankings) cause IITK any day has better reputation (though as a tech school) than FMS.

Did you skip logical reasoning in law school?
Shameful 8 Apr 2019, 14:46
+15 -2
Four NLUs have been badly cheated (NLUJ, NLIU, GNLU and RMLNLU). They must jointly file a response requesting the MHRD to revise the ranking. It's clear that some C-grade law schools have blatantly lied.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:49
+10 -22
This would be a more accurate ranking:

1) NLSIU
2) NALSAR
3) NLUD
4) GNLU
5) NUJS
6) NLUJ
7)NLIU
8) RGNUL
9) SLS
10) NLUO
Kal Tak 8 Apr 2019, 15:03
+20 -1
Are you kidding me right now? It is true that GNLU has done a good job recently. But to place it above NUJS and NLUJ is incorrect.
How about 8 Apr 2019, 16:27
+18 -13
1) NLSIU
2) NALSAR
3) NUJS
4) NLUD
5) NLUJ
6)NLIU
7) GNLU
9) SLS
10) JGLS
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:51
+7 -5
Faculty quality ranking should be Jindal>Nalsar>NLUD>NLSIU>DU>IIT>NUJS>NLUJ>NLIU>GNLU
NALSAR 9 Apr 2019, 13:08
+1 -1
NALSAR does not deserve to be that close to the top. We barely have teachers who are interested in taking classes, let alone teachers that are good at what I do. Some teachers show up once in a while and take class for 15-20 min and leave. It's very difficult to sit here and determine the quality of faculty in law schools without going and asking people about it. Reputation of teachers matters very little. Faizan Mustafa may be a renowned scholar, but you won't read about him [...], throwing tantrums randomly and threatening to resign every 5 min anywhere. You won't hear about how many teachers don't even check for plagiarism. Stop making up arbitrary lists, because that's what they are without grassroots information.
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 19:01
+0 -0
Kindly name names.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 14:58
+7 -12
Symbiosis is fairly ranked, perhaps even under-ranked. The placements are at par with NLU Jodhpur (if not better) and faculty is much better. In terms of alumni achievements, it has more achievements.
But NL tag? 8 Apr 2019, 16:28
+2 -2
But it doesn't have merit cause it doesn't have an NL tag!
That's a heavier parameter than anything else obviously.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 15:03
+22 -4
CLAT takers should NOT follow this list. Keep your choice as:
NLSIU>NLUD or NALSAR>NUJS>NLUJ>NLIU>GNLU>JGLS>MNLU>RGNUL or HNLU or NLUO or HNLU>Symbi
NLUD 8 Apr 2019, 16:04
+12 -2
Interesting that NLUD scores significantly better than others in teaching and learning resources (credit to RS or the admin more generally based on the parameters?) and research outcomes (credit to faculty and possibly admin for facilitating it?), but does not fare well on graduation outcomes (discredit to students?) The picture that emerges is of an otherwise well performing institution with a not so well performing student body. When RS leaves and the admin changes, how will NLUD maintain its rank and more importantly its reputation? And what happens if, or as seems increasingly more likely, when it's top research faculty leave? Something for the NLUD student body to introspect upon, and mobilize to ensure a good replacement for RS. Otherwise, NLUD will go down the same route as NUJS after MP Singh left.
Real NLUD 10 Apr 2019, 09:26
+1 -0
That's because the graduation outcome analysis is a joke. There is no reason for Symbiosis Pune and RML having a higher graduation outcome score (around 10 more points) than NUJS and NLUD.

The rankings are well conceived but poorly administered, with data hardly being verified.
Breakup 8 Apr 2019, 16:12
+3 -1
@Kian, is it possible to get the detailed information submitted by each university for NIRF. It'll be interesting to know (1) what they reported in things like graduation outcomes (2) where they got their points from - and to what extent these are suferficial markers of quality (eg - if one nlu is doing better than others because it has more phds on its faculty, is that something we should even take into account? (3) where are research points coming from, especially which faculty members across NLUs are contributing most to research outcomes? If we could get the detailed data, it might be possible to do a more robust ranking, after excluding some of the irrelevant criteria and focusing more on whatever we might consider to be the best metrics.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 16:39
+0 -2
Some colleges are submitting fake data, some incomplete data.
astro 8 Apr 2019, 16:45
+9 -9
Last year, many keyboard warriors were attacking NLUD's #2 rank. Happy that people have now accepted that it is better than NALSAR and NUJS and undisputed #2. Overtaking NLSIU will be tough, as Prof Sudhir Krishnaswamy will take over as NLSIU VC and give a lot of thrust to research. However, the research will ultimately have to be delivered by individual faculty, where NLUD is better.
For now 8 Apr 2019, 17:04
+2 -2
'where NLUD is better' so far - what happens once RS leaves and we get a new VC? And if Sudhir is good, why won't the good faculty leave to join him? Will they really want to put up with the student and faculty politics in this place? Especially when they don't have RS's support? Think about it - Anup is from Bangalore, Aparna and Mrinal are from NLS (and karnataka), Dany is from nls (llm), Chinmayi is from bangalore, Yogesh is from karnataka, Arul is from kerala but nls is closer home than Delhi. If NLS can make them a better offer than here, why won't they leave?
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 06:01
+0 -1
@Kian, why haven't you published my reply to this comment? I didn't say anything bad about anyone...
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 16:46
+9 -1
Why are people not acknowledging the role of the VCs? Let us give Prof Rao and Prof Ranbir Singh credit where it is due.
kianganz 8 Apr 2019, 17:06
+2 -0
I think I would agree, to a large extent. Neither may be perfect, but then again, who is? And especially considering some of the VCs out there, they are far from the worst, considering that running a law school is one of the hardest jobs in the world :)
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 16:54
+5 -0
Mr Kian, I am shocked that you are saying that NLU professors "suck" at research. Please stop using such harsh language without knowledge. Please see the publications of NLUD professors like Mrinal Satish, Anoop Surendranath, Aparna Chandra, Arul Scaria etc. Other NLUs have good professors also, such as Sidharth Chauhan at NALSAR and Saurabh Bhattachajee at NUJS. All these people are NLU alumni BTW. Please stop demoralising professors. You are always trying to antagonise students against admin and teachers.
kianganz 8 Apr 2019, 17:03
+2 -0
Thanks for your feedback. I would completely agree and that was certainly not the intention, especially not to demoralise any individuals. The point of the headline is that, at most law schools, institutionally, there is very little support for research, which is perhaps reflected in the comparatively lower NIRF scores for the majority.

SLS Pune and even ILI, for instance, have shockingly low marks for research. BR Ambedkar College has a rating of 4 out of 100 in research... RMLNLU Lucknow apparently did not submit anything in that category, with a score of 0, so it couldn't have been that important to them either.
Whistleblower 8 Apr 2019, 17:04
+14 -1
Real reasons Jindal does not participate in NIRF:

1. Disclosure: All info must be shared.

2. Low placement scores: Max 20 out of 450+ graduating batch get tier 1 jobs (barely 5%)

3. Low teaching score: Big batch size means more teachers, percentage of good teachers goes down. NLU alumni teaching are not that many now. Also, only few sections get good teachers.

4. Low diversity score: Huge fees, few scholarships, no IDIA students.

5. Low perception score: Indisciplined brats.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 17:21
+7 -0
Can LI find out why NLSIU is missing from the QS law ranking when NLSIU is indexed in QS otherwise??

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2019/law-legal-studies

https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/national-law-school-india-university
kianganz 9 Apr 2019, 06:10
+4 -1
To be honest, I'm not sure - QS is a bit of a blackbox, I think, no one seems to know how it works and they never responded to our messages seeking explanation...
QS 17 Jul 2019, 06:14
+1 -0
http://www.iu.qs.com/

;-)
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 09:19
+1 -2
NLSIU does not make the grade as 50% of the QS rank is based on Scopus citations and research.
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 18:15
+1 -12
MNLU should be there in the list. Eventually NLSIU, NLUD and MNLU will be the top 3.
NALSAR 9 Apr 2019, 13:09
+4 -0
Isn't it a bit early to speculate on that?
Guest 8 Apr 2019, 23:27
+3 -0
At least 7 NLUs need to file a petition to the MHRD challenging this ranking and presenting the correct data. These are NUJS, NLIU, GNLU, RGNUL, RMLNLU, NLUO and HNLU.
Hacker 8 Apr 2019, 23:35
+13 -8
Here is my ranking, based on the parameters given by NIRF

1. NALSAR
2. NLUD
3. NLSIU
4. IIT
5. NUJS
6. NLUJ
7. GNLU
8. NLIU
9. RMLNLU
10. RGNUL

Please note the following:

1. Some colleges have good placements but are low on perception, so rank is lower.
2. Colleges with best faculty and research fare better.
3. Since national diversity is counted, colleges with high domicile quota lose out. But NALSAR gains as it has a woman's quota, so high gender diversity.
Real Dealer 10 Apr 2019, 17:10
+1 -0
The ranking is very close to ground-realities. It reveals your mature understanding too. I am pretty sure that CLAT aspirants will follow your ranking.
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 04:23
+1 -7
Symbi placements and faculty quality are better than RGNUL and RMLNLU, and comparable to NLIU and GNLU. SIRF has ranked it correctly.
Insider 9 Apr 2019, 08:08
+10 -0
Sorry bro if you think symbi placements are comparable to NLIU then you are living in la la land
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 09:37
+1 -4
Please compare without your bias. The Big 7 hires from Symbi are higher than RGNUL and RMLNLU. Average package is also higher. Also, alumni placements of Symbi are very good, including partners at big firms.
NALSAR 9 Apr 2019, 13:11
+3 -1
What is the proportion though? Doesn't Symbi also have larger class sizes that will skew the numbers if you only look at absolute employment numbers?
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 15:10
+2 -1
Technically, one may argue that when it comes to placement, it is absolute numbers that should be looked into and not proportion. Symbiosis does have the 'advantage' of not having to offer reservation, so the number of English-speaking and 'polished' students would make up for greater part of the batch. It's no secret that law firms tend to favour that crowd. Check the Day Zero demographic of any top NLU.
\Jimmy 9 Apr 2019, 07:07
+3 -0
Regarding which college has best faculty, it is impossible to measure factors like "dedication", "friendliness" etc. But here are some objective factors that normally indicate a professor of high quality, if ALL the boxes below are ticked:

1. BALLB degree from NLUs + LLM/PhD from a reputed international university, or certain highly regarded Indian universities (like JNU, IIM, TISS etc).

2. At least 5 to 7 years of teaching or industry experience.

3. Publications in leading international and Indian journals. An objective way to determine this is to count those journals indexed in Westlaw, Hein Online, Scopus and JSTOR (the Indian ones indexed include EPW, JILI and law reviews of NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS). One can also include books published by OU, CUP, Routledge and other top publishers, or chapters within such books.

4. Worked on major research projects.

5. Received scholarships, grants etc.

Based on these criteria, NLUD has an edge over others.
Truestory 9 Apr 2019, 09:59
+10 -8
True rankings according to overall Placements last year (Remember that the proclaimed 2nd Best Law University in the country could not even release its placement figures)
1. NUJS
2.NLSIU
3. NALSAR
4. NLIU
5. NLUJ/NLU-D
7. GNLU
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 10:46
+1 -0
Kian, can you please grill the JGLS VC on why JGLS is the only law school not participating? He has told TOI (below)that NIRF is biased against private colleges. But it has ranked Symbi as high as 7, ahead of NLIU and GNLU, so we can equally argue that NIRF is biased in favour of private colleges. Is his real worry that JGLS's true placement figures will be out in the open?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/there-has-been-a-historic-prejudice-against-private-universities/articleshow/66600397.cms
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 10:47
+1 -1
How come DU is missing this year? It is at least better than Jamia.
Truestory 9 Apr 2019, 11:27
+6 -0
Rankings according to student law school clat preferences last year
1. NLSIU
2. NALSAR
3. WBNUJS
4. NLIU
5. NLUJ
6. GNLU
Difficult to gauge NLU-D due to AILET but i definitely expect it to be somewhere around 3/4
Observer 9 Apr 2019, 12:31
+3 -1
It was tilted toward nlud in compared to nalsar
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 19:03
+2 -0
In comparison to? We welcome the choice you made.
Faaltu log 9 Apr 2019, 12:21
+11 -0
I can go on record to allege that law schools are submitting falsified data to improve their rankings. If KIIT is ranked over rml and just below NLIU-B then nothing more is to be said about these rankings.

Further, its a sham that Jamia, Symbi have been ranked over NLIU. Kian can you investigate and do a report on the datas which have been sent by the law schools?

The biggest example is symbi getting ranked over NUJS in graduation outcomes. Are you kidding me? NUJS recruitments far outweigh any law school in India let alone Symbi where everyone knows that Day zero is non existent and placements have virtually been reduced to minimal and cannot be even compared to the Big Seven NLUs. Can anyone remember when was the last time symbi pune came out with public placement figures?
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 14:33
+2 -0
Jamia must be exposed for blatantly lying about their research. Is there a complaints forum?? If not a PIL should be filed.
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 14:36
+13 -3
NALSAR is seriously overrated and overhyped.
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 19:06
+2 -1
Been there for any length of time? Been in one of the others for any length of time? If the answer to both the questions is in the affirmative, then you might be in a position to make a decision. Otherwise it is speculation on your part; at best, one guided by what you have heard.
Guest 9 Apr 2019, 15:38
+2 -0
Many years ago, Bar & Bench used to do a series of Law School Darshan reports. They would visit each law schools and report on the campus quality, food quality faculty etc, They would also interview the VC. Unfortunately they were too deferential and censored negative things. It will be good if someone can revive this again, but do it objectively.
Faaltu log 9 Apr 2019, 18:03
+4 -0
LI should revive the MPL again for sure. It went a long way to show good the law school crowd is.

Kian why did you stop the MPL? It was one of the best initiatives taken by Legally India.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 07:00
+2 -0
I agree. Kian, please revive MPL and the recruitment rankings.
Practical40 10 Apr 2019, 05:15
+4 -1
Are these rankings any reflection of how the colleges are perceived by the prospective students and the industry? My guess would be no. They have ranked IIMB over IIMA , but you will not see that affecting the student preference in CAT or recruiters choice. The preference list for general CLAT students will continue to be 1) NLSIU 2) NALSAR 3) NUJS . The recruiters will be interested in taking atleast the top half of the students from the batches there. If the student is from North India, he may well consider NLU D if he does not get into NLSIU. Geographic closeness to home town and cultural similarity is one less thing to worry about then. However, do keep in mind that a strong well placed alumni network can be very helpful for your career (atleast in initial years) and that is something the older law schools may be able to provide better than NLU D, when you graduate after 5 years. For anyone from south/ west / east India, NALSAR and NUJS after NLSIU is an absolute no brainer.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 06:57
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It seems many coaching centres are now advising students to place NLUD above NALSAR: combination of NIRF and the recent UPSC success.
Seriously ?? 11 Apr 2019, 02:22
+3 -1
coaching centres may have a vested interest in telling the students that an inferior university is better , as it may their results look better. If some do make it to NLU D , then they could claim they put students in top tier collages. Students care about placements more than any NIRF ranking. If anybody believes UPSC results have anything to do with the Law school , they have no clue of the training required for UPSC exam.
Guest 11 Apr 2019, 05:58
+3 -0
I've seen three students having studied at LST for a year and a half and then putting NLUO as their second preference after NLSIU. The less said about coaching centres and CLAT teachers and the pearls of wisdom that they bequeath upon these kids, the better.
XS 10 Apr 2019, 07:00
+4 -4
Rubbish! Everyone's preference has been NLSIU>NALSAR>NLUD>NUJS and it will now change to NLSIU>NLUD>NALSAR>NUJS. Students are saying this on Facebook and CLAT tutors are also advising it.
Everyone 11 Apr 2019, 02:25
+0 -2
How do you have such insights into everyone’s preference? Facebook.. LOL.

Also , who are the CLAT advisers refered to ? NLUD fake accounts online ?
air 10 Apr 2019, 06:57
+3 -0
not surprised GLC is not there in list where there's no such thing as attendance , but that might soon change!

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/glc-gets-strict-about-mus-75-per-cent-attendance-rule/articleshow/68803538.cms
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 07:02
+2 -2
NLU Lucknow is not a good choice. I heard that girls are not allowed to wear jeans and internet is switched off after 9 pm. This is total moral policing.
Guest One 11 Apr 2019, 01:49
+1 -0
You HEARD? Hearsay!!!
Just try to SEE. The most liberal faculty is here.
family guy 10 Apr 2019, 07:09
+4 -0
BREAKING NEWS: Data submitted is up on the NIRF website. NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS claimed a median salary of 15 lakhs per annum, NLUD 13 lakhs, Symbi 11 lakhs and Jamia ZERO. So we need to check if Symbi grads actually can that much and also how Jamia can rank so high with ZERO salary??? The MHRD should be asked for an explanation, failing which A PIL should be filed.

Kian, kindly update.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 07:17
+4 -0
KIIT media salary claimed is 8 lakhs and RMLNLU is 4 lakhs. Is it true that KIIT has such better placements the RMLNLU?
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 07:43
+10 -0
Any law school found to have submitted fake salary data must be blacklisted. It is unfair to HNLU and NLUO that they have been excluded entirely because certain non-NLU colleges have been dishonest.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 09:47
+4 -1
Like the false data certain NLUs having 2nd and 3rd rank this year had submitted last year?
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 08:44
+2 -0
If Jamia submitted Rs 0 as median salary, how did it score above NLIU in graduate outcomes? Kian, is it possible for you to get an interview the NIRF people? Maybe if you do a commissioned piece for a newspaper they may give you an appointment? Potentially, you could be opening a can of worms that will embarrass the Modi government.
troll 10 Apr 2019, 11:25
+1 -0
abbey haap!
Furious 10 Apr 2019, 10:27
+5 -0
Kian, please call up the KIIT and Symbi deans/placement cells and ask for proof on their placement salaries. I don't care how many lies private law schools tell on their websites, but it is unacceptable to secure government rankings by cheating and dupe thousands of students and parents who rely on it as a neutral source. It is also unfair to NLU students who are denied recognition for their hard work. At least JGLS has the decency to not participate instead of giving false info.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 10:34
+6 -0
Symbi has claimed 11 lakhs salary versus 9.2 lakhs from NLIU Bhopal. I would like to know if NLIU-ites plan to take this lying down and not lodge a complaint.
Stastician 10 Apr 2019, 10:47
+8 -1
Friends, I have compiled the rankings based on salary data submitted for the most recent year. As you will see, it is not the same as the final rankings, because that takes into account research and teaching.

1. NLSIU: 15.2 lakhs
2. NALSAR: 15 lakhs
3. NUJS 15 lakhs
4. NLUJ: 14.5 lakhs
5. NLUD: 13.8 lakhs
6. Symbiosis: 9.75 lakhs
7. NLIU: 9.2 lakhs
8 RNGUL: 7.5 lakhs
9. IIT: 7.4 lakhs
10. GNLU: 6 lakhs
11. RMLNLU: 4.8 lakhs
12. ILI: 4.4 lakhs
13. KIIT: 3.9 lakhs
14. Ambedkar: 2.2 lakhs
15. Jamia: 0
Faaltu log 10 Apr 2019, 13:15
+11 -0
I can challenge that this is the greatest fudging of figures. If NLUJ’s median salary is 14.5 lakhs then it shows the level of duplicity which is going on. Shame on all these colleges for such blatant lies. Atleast NLIU, GNLU had the courage to show true figures
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 15:33
+7 -0
NLUJ, Symbi and RGNUL figures are fake. RGNUL cannot be better than GNLU.
Black panthert 11 Apr 2019, 09:25
+1 -0
Thank you for writing this. This needed to be said.
take closer look 11 Apr 2019, 01:26
+1 -0
we should also compile the data on the other indicators. IF people have lied here, they can lie elsewhere too.
Guest 10 Apr 2019, 15:45
+4 -0
#BoycottNLUJ #WeAreWithYouNLIU
Guest 11 Apr 2019, 05:54
+3 -0
I am sorry for GNLU. You got punished for honesty, while NLUJ, Symbi and RGNUL were rewarded for lying.
Lawyer AK 11 Apr 2019, 05:57
+1 -0
I request LI to please do a separate report confirming the lies made regarding salaries. I will then petition the Supreme Court to issue directions to the MHRD to audit NIRF submissions.
Guest 11 Apr 2019, 05:59
+2 -0
We need clarification. If Jamia had 0 as salary and still makes it, does it mean HNLU did not even make a submission to NIRF? It could well be, as there is no VC right now.
Guest 11 Apr 2019, 13:01
+2 -0
All NLUs stand by NLIU and GNLU, and condemn NLUJ/Symbi.
Facts are facts 11 Apr 2019, 13:05
+0 -1
NLUJ salary figures are indeed correct. Let me explain:

1. Lawyer's chambers salaries were excluded, which is fair. Only firms were considered.

2. NLUJ placements have been very good the past few years, comparable to the top 3 and much batter than NLIU, GNLU etc. Everything can be verified with facts. We are open to scrutiny.

3. In addition to law firms there were some blockbuster in-house placements, which were also included.
Guest 11 Apr 2019, 14:26
+3 -0
Blockbuster in-house placements? Is there any company in India that pays more than 12 lakh p.a. to a fresher in its legal team? I think ICICI just about does that. Even ITC doesn't, though CTC would come around to that.
Erm 11 Apr 2019, 15:24
+1 -0
Bro. As I have said before, bring out the figures of 2018 NLU-J recruitment in open with full disclosures like NLIU and NUJS did on LegallyIndia and Bar & Bench. The whole world knows that NLU-J did not come up with figures because of abysmal overall placements of 2018 batch.

And no NLU-J does not have ‘batter’ placements than NLIU-B
Guest 12 Apr 2019, 06:22
+0 -0
Any law school seeking to topple NLSIU must do the following by 2030:

- Win Jessup twice
- Top the training contracts in recruitments every year
- Have at least one Rhodes scholar a year
- Get a world class VC
- Abolish domicile and NRI quotas
- Hope that standards fall shockingly at NLSIU, that Sudhir does not become VC
Lol 12 Apr 2019, 14:27
+1 -0
Bhai yeh sab bol kar kya fayda, NLS iss saal mooting mein dud tha. Its good that the MPL is closed nahi toh sachai bahar aa jati. Ab toh aisi halaat he ki NLS is not even breaking in vis east whereas JGLS, Bhopal are reaching finals and semis and some 7-8 Indian law schools broke.
Guest 12 Apr 2019, 15:07
+3 -1
Since when does NLSIU average one Rhodes scholar a year? It's a scholarship, not a Mackinsey offer.
Guest 12 Apr 2019, 07:43
+0 -0
Should students unable to clear CLAT place Symbi over Jindal? Any advice?
Guest 12 Apr 2019, 15:05
+0 -0
Not if they can afford JGLS and are careful enough to stay away from the obvious temptations including drugs etc.
Guest 12 Apr 2019, 15:40
+1 -0
Attention CLAT aspirants: Please ignore coaching centre advice to place NLUJ over NLIU because of NIRF. These coaching centre people are idiots.
Guest 15 Apr 2019, 17:49
+0 -0
Kian, I think the IIT Kharagpur law school may have fudged by submitting some parameters of IIT Kharagpur as a whole (which is obviously very high) instead of just the law school. See the story below. Can you please investigate this? This is a big scam if true.


https://epaper.thestatesman.com/c/38541424
WHAO 17 Apr 2019, 09:00
+0 -0
So so many "accurate" ranking by anonymous ego-hurt morons. Quite palpable indeed. :P
Guest 27 Jun 2019, 02:37
+0 -0
Wrong data has been used people have not preferred NLUO over RGNUL.
GNLu grad 27 Jun 2019, 02:40
+0 -0
Yeah,even I feel RGNUL is much better than NLUO.NLUO doesn't even have a library.
Guest 17 Jul 2019, 03:40
+0 -0
The new GNLU Director has said he is aiming for world ranking for GNLU

https://indianexpress.com/article/education/will-get-gnlu-a-spot-on-global-rankings-professor-shantha-kumar-5833159/
Zen 19 Nov 2019, 12:27
+0 -0
NIRF submission for 2020 is open. Since colleges like NLUJ and Symbi blatantly submitted fake salary figures to cheat the rankings, I request LI to pre-empt the forgery this time and announce it before NIRF gets deceived (and the public at large are fooled).

I also request LI to please to interview the person in charge and inform him of the cheating that happened, i.e. National Board of Accreditation Chairman Prof KK Agarwal or Member-secretary Prof Anil Nassa. Both are engineering professors who probably don't have a clue about law schools and don't get suspicious.

https://www.nbaind.org/about/organizationalstructure

Their email and phone is available publicly.
Guest 19 Nov 2019, 15:04
+2 -0
Everybody cheats in that data. NALSAR and NLUD did in one year, NLUJ did it later. It's almost part of the rule of the game. That ranking methodology is a joke, as it its veracity. People would be fools to believe in it anyway.
Guest 19 Nov 2019, 18:11
+0 -3
NLIU has always been better than NLUJ and currently has a much superior VC. Unfortunately, thanks to cheating in NIRF and advice by uninformed cinching centres, NLUJ is perceived to be better and gets higher CLAT preference.
Guest 20 Nov 2019, 02:49
+5 -0
Which scale do you use to measure people's superiority? Height, weight, length of nose, number of SCOPUS publications, colonial diction?
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 06:15
+0 -5
I request LI to please bring out a placement ranking ASAP. Some law schools have sent piles of fake data to NIRF this year. We need a true ranking from you so that we can warn NIRF before they publish the rankings with fake data.
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 07:23
+7 -0
There's not going to be any placement ranking. Because it cannot be objectively done. The Day Zero reports across multiple law schools are covered by LI anyway. Read those and form your own opinion. Give up your addiction for ranking.
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 09:18
+6 -0
Rankin'-wale Baba returns! Baba ko bahut pyaar hai LI-walein bando se. Just can't stay away from us for long.
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 13:52
+1 -0
NIRF top 3 is unlike to change because of the weightage given to "perception rank". NLSIU is naturally top, while NALSAR and NLUD both organise lots of events and have a good internet and media presence.
Guest 30 Dec 2019, 05:30
+2 -0
Interestingly, despite all the PR about NLUD's research culture, their score in faculty research output and publications is not that different from the other top 4-5 institutions in NIRF. At least as per last year's data.
Guest 30 Dec 2019, 08:55
+0 -0
Then why is NLUD no 2? Where did they score high?
Guest 30 Dec 2019, 12:06
+4 -0
Infra, low student strength, faculty-student ratio, funding. Their graduate outcome data is occasionally a bit fudged but matches all the other top NLUs too. You don't have to take my word for it, just check the NIRF website. The ranked entries also provide a break up of their scores under different heads. You will find NLUD faculty ranks quite low under quality of publications head, compared to NALSAR or NUJS, but their number of publications is higher and their project footprint is high because of high profile work by Anup et al. Of these three NLUs, NALSAR actually has the least score in faculty publications, quality and project footprint, around 36, NUJS has around 39 and NLUD has around 50 for sheer number of publications compared to strength of faculty. So it's obviously a calculated effort on the admin's part there to get faculty keep publishing even if it means compromising with quality. That's a standard ranking strategy employed by several universities all over the world.
Another head is number of PhD students graduated where NLUD is ahead of the other two. Which is also problematic, since number here can't reflect actual quality. But that's probably NIRF's fault having designed the metric thus, not NLUD's. But this focus on quantity over quality is again apparent there.
NLUD also ranks high in terms of regional diversity among students, which is accurate given that it has no domicile reservation at all, but at the same time, it also ranks high for women students. That's a bit ironical, considering several controversies that's taken place there over the years about campus misogyny etc.
Amicus 30 Dec 2019, 18:25
+0 -2
Hey you, NLUD is #1 in both faculty quality and publications. You are nobody to judge that quantity of publications is high but quality is low. Both are high.
Guest 31 Dec 2019, 09:42
+1 -0
@Amicus: I didn't judge it, dude. NIRF did. You should take it up with them. The scores of NLSIU, NLUD, NALSAR and NUJS under QP (Quality of Publications) head in 2019 are 5.47/30, 2.36/30, 11.94/30 and 8.18/30 respectively. Go and check these links if you want to.
https://nirfcdn.azureedge.net/2019/graph/Law/1.jpg : NLSIU
https://nirfcdn.azureedge.net/2019/graph/Law/2.jpg: NLUD
https://nirfcdn.azureedge.net/2019/graph/Law/3.jpg: NALSAR
https://nirfcdn.azureedge.net/2019/graph/Law/5.jpg: NUJS
As I said, if you count total publications, quality of publications and research project footprint together, then NLUD still has the highest score, 52.69, followed by NLSIU (38.76), NALSAR (38.49) and NUJS (35.25). But it is clear from the QP score what the scene is.
So, kindly quit blowing smoke. I back my comments on stats, instead of making vague generalizations like you seem to be fond of. Your comment makes it seem that the only thing here are you!
Guest 31 Dec 2019, 09:45
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@Amicus: By the way, I am curious to know, what is an objective metric of 'faculty quality' in your opinion exactly since you clearly view publications separately? NLU LLB degree? Foreign LLM degree? Innovative courses designed and taught? Sworn testimony from at least 20-30% of the students taught by the concerned faculty?
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 11:28
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Kian, you had reported that the GNLU VC is targeting world rankings. Any updates? He has said the following:

[quote]“I get to work with deans of Ivy League universities of the world. I will be in a comfortable position to rope in a lot of them into my advisory committee and also get them to come and teach at the university,” he added.
[/quote]

[quote]“So I am going to motivate each and every teacher to write a lot and publish articles so that we are known outside as a great research institute.”
[/quote]

[quote] “I know it would be difficult to get students from European countries or the United States but I have a good connect with law schools in southeast Asian countries such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, and Cambodia. So from next year, you will see foreign students at GNLU.”
[/quote]


https://indianexpress.com/article/education/will-get-gnlu-a-spot-on-global-rankings-professor-shantha-kumar-5833159/

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/bimal-patel-gets-wrist-slap-on-last-day-as-gnlu-director-for-apparent-poaching-of-staff-to-new-gig-at-gmu-new-chief-to-focus-on-int-l-research-20190717-10747