The recruitment committee of NLIU Bhopal has successfully placed 46 out of 48 students registered with its recruitment committee, as of today, while the remaining 27 of this batch have chosen active litigation and judicial services as career paths.
NLIU placement coordination committee chairperson Tapan R Mohanty told Legally India: “This time we’ve almost achieved 100 per cent percent placement amongst those who got registered for the placement programme. The placements have been better compared to last year, which was a recession year.”
Last year NLIU Bhopal’s recruitment committee had placed 38 out of 43 registered students.
“In a rough ratio,” added Tapan, “40 per cent got placed in law firms, 20 per cent in PSUs [public sector undertakings], 20 per cent in private companies or MNCs [multi-national companies] and the rest opted for litigation and judicial services.”
According to the figures as of today (12 May) 18 students have been picked by law firms, with eight having opted for the Supreme Court clerkship programme.
Only four of the students who took part in the recruitment committee have gone for working at the bar.
Amarchand Mangaldas recruited three NLIU final-year students each, with one going to Bangalore and two to Mumbai. Khaitan & Co also hired three students for its Mumbai office.
Tax firm Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan bagged two students, while the following firms each recruited one student: Nishith Desai Associates, Crawford Bayley, Singh and Associates, TPM (Trade Marks Practice) Delhi, Desai Dewanji, MV Kini Mumbai, Juris Corp, Wadia Ghandy & Co, Singhania & Co and Manilal Kher Ambalal & Co.
The in-house sector was another major recruiter from NLIU Bhopal this year, as financial houses ICICI Bank and Small Industries Development Bank of India (SIDBI) picked up three students each, with State Trading Corporation of India (STC) hiring two.
State owned power companies MPPTC Jabalpur (Madhya Pradesh Power Transmission Company) hired two students and Coal India one. HUL hired two students and Asian Paints one for their respective in-house legal teams.
One student received a job offer from TRAI (Telecom Regulatory Authority of India) and one was placed in OSC Legal, which is Clifford Chance’s captive legal process outsourcing (LPO) unit in Gurgaon.
Two students are still awaiting final offers from employers.
NLS Bangalore had procured offers for 96 per cent of recruitment committee students by January of this year, while NUJS Kolkata had placed 84 per cent as of April 2010.
Comments
2.) Only 3 students got Amarchand offers!!! Amarachand at 13-14 lacs per annum is the highest paying recruiter. Compared to this 12 NUJS students and 11 NLS students have got Amarchand offers. Clearly top firms vouch for students at top NLUs.
Other top firms Trilegal (7) and Luthra (5) speak of quality recruitments at NUJS. Similarly NLS has 7 Luthra offers and 4 ICCI offers as LI news tells.
NLIU has got offers from mid tier firms only such as MV Kini, Singh and associates and some unheard of PSUs (MPPTC Jabalpur). Clearly the average salary will be lower because of lack of quality recruitments.
At last, congratulations to students for getting jobs but the fact that out of 48 students only 46 could get jobs is alarming! What if larger no. of students had applied?
A.K.S
All you NLU students., instead of competing with each other, why don't you morons get together a draft a petition pleading for foreign firms to be allowed in? You don't have to sign your names, just get a resolution passed by the student body.
It's really pissing off you see these bright students fighting with each other instead of getting together. Bloody fools.
**United Law schools**
[We have the Nalsar figures and will publish these soon. -Ed]
NUJS is far better than NLSIU in terms of quality recruitment. NLIU not even in picture!!!
Be jealous!
I believe that the point which some of the earlier posters were tying to make was simple - NUJS placed some 83 students this year. Someone's got to take note of that as bloody impressive. Why? Smaller the bunch - the easier it is. If I was rank 46 in a batch, the recruiters may show interest based on just the rank. Recruiting a rank 83 is an altogether different ball-game and shows quite a lot of trust in the industry standing and the quality of the recruits!
I don't think percentages speak for themselves here. The quality of the offers, and the actual numbers do.
NALSAR seems to have been quite tight-lipped about their placements. Is their process still under way? If it is, I wouldn't expect anything less than a 95% + figure from them as well. Hope they do a good job of it too.
Kian, can we please have some info on that?
Congrats to all
so notin 2 b ashamed.We know the market conditions & being in the recruitment committee of one of the "National", I know the situation indepth.The Recruitment committee hard work in most of the colleges have not had gr8 results.
One tip to "still the students" category:Make the best use of your time at Internships.make good Contacts! They can be your future Employers.Do not depend upon college!The placement committee is jus too helpless...
Dude, trust me on this: a government job is a zillion times better than AMSS or any other firm. here's why:
1) Fantastic work hours and time to pursue your other interests
2) Benefits like job security, cheap loans and housing
3) After a few years, you can apply to consultancy firms like Price waterhouse Coopers. They are hiring tons of ex-government people and paying them well.
I have friends from NLUs who are working for SEBI and they are soooo happy.
Can someone give a more accurate picture?
Will be interesting to know. I think very few sat for placements in the end in NALSAR.
Kian my friend lets clear the clouds i say.
We will persevere - or if any NLU Jodhpur students have some information, please do get in touch with us directly and confidentially.
Best,
Kian
[Yes, we have been following several of them up and will update when finalised. If anyone from the recruitment committees of the colleges wants to get in touch, please do. -Kian]
but, in all candour, I don't know how much does this have to do with the placement cell's capabilities..
what crap! if u wanna do social service and gain "respect" then take a broom and go clean our dirty streets. the fact is that money has to be the number 1 priority for graduates bcoz in india our b******** netas do not provide us with quality healthcare, transport etc. on top of that the fees in all NLUs is so expensive and many ppl study on loans.
NLUs absolutely MUST become job oriented. In fact, the Indian law firms should be penalised for not creating enough jobs and blocking foreign law firms.
1.) there are 160 students. in reality 130 applied. since 40 applications out of 130 were trash and the students had not done anything for their careers, the placement comm forces them to back off.
2.) out of 90 students 60 find jobs.
3.) i tell legallyindia that actually 30 out of these 90 went for litigation and judicial services. hahaha. very easy to do. here is a 100% placement record.
4.) in reality out of 130, only 60 have found jobs. but i tell legallyindia that all of them have. so simple.
also nlsiu and nujs students got offers from magic circle firms like clifford chance, allen and overy. the mindset of top recruiters is clear: they hire only from top law schools.
anyway, congrats to nliu to at least scrape jobs for the students. but only 3 at amarchand. it is sad for nliu because its counterparts in nlsiu and nujs have got 10 and 12 offers from amarchand respectively.
There are a few issues which need to be paid attention to:
1. Firstly how much of a role did the University have in the recruitment of the students who have got placed. Because knowing the profile of the students in law schools it would not be impossible for some one having either family contacts or self made ones to get recruited in an average firm. Since this is also about a comparison of the various law schools on the basis of their UNIVERSITY placement figures this aspect needs to be taken into consideration.
2. Secondly based on what has been told by students of NLIU its a fact that the average pay package in Bhopal this year is some where in the range of 4 lack p/a.
3. Thirdly, this article in the web of lies doesnt disclose the fact that in these magical placement figures there are some 10 students who are doing a clerkship in the supreme court at 3 lakh p/a. ( A whole lot of them are certainly not doing this out of choice but out of compulsion in the absence of placement oppurtunities)
4. Moreover as rightly pointed out by others, placements should not just be about a mad race for figures and statistics. It should be more about the students getting placed in places where they want to work. Its about this choice. However alas from my known sources I am made to understand that Students in BHOPAL this year havent got any such choice.
5. Finally just by randomnly discarding the remaining students as those aspiring for LITIGATION AND JUDICIARY is again wrong on the part of the placement committee, because if this was the case then the placement commitee should ensure that these so called discards atleast end up getting placed with lawyers and advocates. From what I understand a lot of these students would have been those who did sit for placements, but once nothing relly happened opted to go in for litigation as they ultimately had to do something. Further more such tactics on the part of the University only further demoralises future graduates from taking up litigation as litigation gets painted as the last resort of the reject, who doesnt get placed any where!
PS: From what i heard last NLIU Bhopal infact had 56 students out of 80 sitting for placements this year. With the remaining contemplating between CIVIL SERVICES/ JUDICIARY/ LITIGATION/ UNEMPLOYMENT.
However quite ironically even after the placement season concluded most students at Bhopal are still left with the same contemplation between CIVIL SERVICES/ JUDICIARY/LITIGATION & UNEMPLOYMENT!!....
Let us not once again be taken for a ride, with false and fabricated figures doctored for one upmanship and satisfaction of the falsified egos of placement committees!!!....we've had enuf of the SATYAM GATE.
Let Truth PREVAIL
PEACE
We do appreciate that it is possible for recruitment committees to game or massage the figures somewhat, although we would expect committee members to display the integrity to be truthful on a public forum about such information.
So far we have had no reason to doubt this.
If any students from any of the colleges wish to dispute the figures or think there are inaccuracies, please get in touch with us directly and confidentially and we'd like to discuss.
Best regards,
Kian
Both are way below par, i guess. wit HNLU being the worst. Btw, y r d HNLU guys so inactive in legallyindia?
Congrats NLIU, NUJS, NALSAR, NLSIU, NLU!
We are scheduled to speak to HNLU tomorrow, which just finished its recruitment apparently. Symbiosis we are lining up for next week. Nalsar we hope to publish the figures tomorrow.
Kian
Please tell me what is the standard of clc.i mean what tire
We have followed up with Placement Committee Coordinator (PCC) Tapan Mohanty to explain the PCC process in more detail, particularly in response to #36.
He explained: "If someone wants a placement then they must meet the minimum standard that is at least clear all papers before 14th trimester.
Then again some people decided to appear for judiciary at the end of their fifth year and PCC can't guarantee anybody who joined would not leave on his or her own.
Finally, these students who went to Supreme Court and deposed before the honourable judges that they are interested in the job and if they were not then should not have applied. One cannot play with the Supreme Court and butcher the integrity of institutions by lying to the judges of the highest court of the country.
Another thing is that Universities are institutions of learning and disseminators of knowledge not a placement agency.
We only facilitate the process and act as a conduit between the recruiter and candidates.
Further to it must be added the efforts of students in getting PPOs and the quality of teaching and reputation of the institution as well as the efforts of these students are complementary to the placement process.
Neither they are independent nor are they contradictory. Would these students manage their placement if they would had graduated from A, B, or C college from a muffosil town?"
THis is very sad. Placement committees are meant to facilitate recruitment for ALL interested. In my time, we used to take it upon ourselves as a challenge to ensure 100% recruitments for ALL people interested. I went to one of the top three law schools, and believe me - if we had inserted a minimum qualification threshold similar to the one Bhopal has, more than 50% of our batch would have not been eligible. Frankly, I am aghast. Majoritarianism at its worst.
All help/advice would be appreciated.
Kian
And I think the universities do collect this information At the time of graduation, you get a form which asks you for some details like your address, and name of person/firm/university/etc you are going to be studying/working. NALSAR and NLS do it. Or at least they did, a few years back.
NUJS - A student going to Berkeley
NLU Jodhpur - One student going to Yale and another heading to NYU
NALSAR - One student heading to Oxford for the BCL
Of course, this information is only of current final year students going for an LL.M. immediately upon graduation. This does not include students who graduated last year and will be going for an LL.M. this year, having had worked for a year in between.
from nalsar there is one guy goin to fletcher, one to oxford one to yale and a few to NYU.
and are we forgetting that in 2008 NUJS placed only 40 students !
Including previous graduates (who have been working) while calculating the statistics for students (graduating in 2010) going for an LL.M. this year is likely to skew the figures.
What are the NLS numbers?
1. 1 got offers from Cambridge,LSE, Berkley,UPenn, UChicago
2. 1 got offer from Berkley & UChicago
3. 1 got offer from Oxford, UCL, KCL, etc.
4. Another got offer from UCL, KCL, Warwick, Nottingham, QMUL, SOAS, etc
There are others who got thru KCL, QMUL etc.
Are all the law school students so insecure that we need to quantify how well our school is doing?
REALLY!!!
can we just behave like mature people and cut this out. Let Kian & Co. do the reporting. Dont make their lives easy, its their job, let them slog it out. (Kian ...sorry dude just doing this to stop people from acting like children)
Lastly, studying in London kicks ass!! As a city only NY is more vibrant and cosmopolitan.
But please continue. This is good fun.
- Tirthankar, Final Year, WBNUJS.
It would be highly appreciated if you kindly stick to the facts [of] placements stats of NLIU since the real picture is not unknown to many. Further, for once kindly acknowledge the fact that the University/PCC has done practically nothing to secure the placements of the majority who have a job in hand solely for their own efforts during internships (once again most of these internships have been arranged personally) and also of another handful who were left with no option but to use their contacts to get jobs for themselves which is not expected to be done after having studied in a National Law School with hopes of 100% placement. The 96% figure that has been claimed includes placements in organisations which are not even considered worth being invited on campus by most other Law Schools. Kindly understand that students join law schools investing lakhs of rupees over a period of 5 yrs not with the objective of joining a PSU or some place with a 3-4 lakhs package. It is indeed shameful that bright students of your University are left with no option but to do so due to sheer lack of enthusiasm and management on the part of the University. The figure of eight who have been selected for Judicial Clerkship also includes students who have opted for it due to lack of option and not by choice and so have the many whom you have very conveniently portrayed as “opted for litigation and judicial services”. Firstly, it is a fact that not even half of them would have opted for litigation had you provided them with their dues and as far as judicial services are concerned the question of opting for it doesn’t arise as they are yet to appear for the exams and not all are guaranteed to make it to the judiciary. I highly appreciate your view that “Universities are institutions of learning and disseminators of knowledge not a placement agency”, however had that been appropriate for National Law Schools I am afraid the strength of 100 students on an average per batch would not have been even half of it because as far as learning and dissemination of knowledge is concerned traditional universities like the prestigious Delhi university is still considered to be unparalleled in terms of teaching. The real allurement of these Law Schools that draws students towards it is the placements at the end of 5 years and you cannot do away with this objective in anyway or even compromise with its standards. Finally regarding your tall claims of the reputation of the institution being complementary to the placement process as regards PPOs, I would like to ask if the reputation of the University has aided the students in getting PPOs then why did the same reputation of the same university fail to get firms on campus.
Hence it would be advisable that you gracefully accept the actual scenario [...].
I
[Update: We are likely to be speaking to NLU Jodhpur on their figures next week. -Ed]
I can say so much as I am a part of the batch whose figures are quoted wrongly. I request NLIU PCC to spread "truth" and must not mis-guide the public at large.....
"Truth must always prevail".... (Even I as a alumni of NLIU am concerned about the public image of the institute....but not at the stake of telling lies to the public...we can have many other means of promoting the NLIU image)
More than 50 Students were opted for placement procedure
4 out of them got a PPO by their own efforts
9 were Selected for the Supreme Court Clerkship
11-14 have been placed by College
So the real question is -
If a person opted to go for Judicial Services and Opted to take up for UPSC, does he placed as per this Placement Commitees Norms??????????
Calculate by yourself!!!!!!11
Well First, sorry my great seniors for not getting placed but this isn't the right forum to vent your emotions, feelings and anger.
What did you'll do about the placement procedure when the 4th Years were trying to do something about it? Anything?
Second, what did you try to do about your director when he was try to S***w and f**k you'll left right and centre.
Except for the few 5th Years who stood up for it no one else was even bothered. It not your own life but the change was for the entire college which includes your 'beloved" juniors (me too)
Now you cannot entirely blame the PCC for bad placements (though I would not deny there was no fault of the PCC [...])
The problem inherently lies in the administration and functioning of the university which in fact the student entirely cannot be blamed.
We never functioned nor we function (and we will not function for a considerable period of time) as a National Law University standards, and this must not in any way be comprehended as "Bad Students".
The students are even capable of a Jessup Win (last year) but what did we get in return? Those same students were not allowed to give the exams...
You win something as prestigious as Jessup in India and the reward your colleges gives you for your efforts is debarring you from your exams. Colleges like NLS and NLUJ and others give attendance as well as provide the books as soon as they can for the students representing their college in moots like Jessup.
What is the culture of Publishing articles and Presenting Papers in our University? (I'm not talking about those which most certainly are going to attract copyright issues)
We have an administration and teachers alike who think nothing out of the state (M.P.) and conquering the world is a dream far off.
Our Director who is not "concerned" about our placements and our jobs but only wants his students "sitting" inside their classrooms. I guess we are going to gain a lot of knowledge and learn about work sitting and mugging the material given by our profs or notes made by the girls. Why are Big Law Firms or Foreign Law Firms coming in? Has the administration ever tried? We need to do what HE (you know who) wants us to do. Well I personally do not know what that is. I know instances where people have prayed for HIM to leave ([...]) which either ways is for the good of the university.
The pathetic state of this university also directly coincides with HIS arrival.
Why din't any 5th Year properly protest after exams and Seminar Paper exams? We could have shut down the college. May be it could have been bad too, but even good. We won't know whats good or bad until we try it.
Next going on to jobs and Firms not coming in, I do not know what the exact reason is.
Well we do have really bright students who are actually capable of kicking ___ of other law schools too, but I do not exactly know why any law firm isn't interested. Well any Law Firm reading this you could answer that for us.
And yes if this year we do not have Seminar exams we could intern at other places and try for PPO's too (which is at HIS grace).
Also I don't know why the cribbing about PPO's being included in the placement %. All other colleges likes NLS, NALSAR, NUJS have included PPO's in their 96% or 94% so why not us. Also UPSC and SC clerkship is included.
I did not want to come down this way in a public forum but since all of you'll have decided to remove your anger out here I need to clear the air too. We gain nothing by writing here but we need to fight in our university. We need to change the culture. We need an atmosphere of learning. HE should realise that every student is unique and every student has his own dream. HE cannot drag us onto a path we don't want to go. HE should let us achieve our dreams and touch the skies.
We as law students should stop mocking each other as kids and as some1 who is immature but instead help each other to grow. A Law Firm won't grow by picking students or juniors from selected Universities but by picking good lawyers. We need to help each other out. We have helped each other in many issues. No college is perfect nor is any student.
The plus point for us is, irrespective of a trimester system, bad administration, pathetic rules, we have proved ourselves in every aspect whether moots, jobs, or anything else. We are no less than any other college. So instead of mocking consider helping because we are busy attending our lectures.
At last I pray (to God): Save MY university, Save ME.
(The HIM,HIS,HE referred in the above post in no way is related to God or his subjects or the people in his Kingdom, but a person who has occupied [...] position of the University who is dragging us to HELL)
Amen.
2 going to Oxford (one on Rhodes scholarship)
3 got into Harvard
1 got into Yale
1 got into Columbia and NYU
amen...
we even have alumni who have done their LLM from Harvard , cloumbia and NYU.
i think this debate should end here because the whole issue seems to be getting out of hand and really petty
whoever said NLIU students dotn go for LLM's abroad ... where do you get your information from .. the grovery store next doors .. your opints are as ludicrous as your need to write ZERO after "0" jsut to reassure yourself you didnt muck-up .....
and so far NLIU has had only one NLIU LLB alumni enter the LLM ... in three years just 1
in addition to #82 id point out that only 1 NLIU LLB Alumni has joiend the LLM program in NLIU in three years ... everyone else goes abroad .. ie out of those who wanna do an LLM ... and a large no. of these come from good corp houses like AMSS and then do their LLM's just to come abck and get into Litigation .... everyone here is so muddled up ... its almost ludicrous
There are a few reasons for choosing a Lit or a Corp job that I think most of the people who’ve had some experience would know …
1 – Personal preference in terms of love for litigation (not social service .. the court rooms the drafting the strategy) and then the opposite preference for a corp job (the offices, the work, the job opportunities, entry based more on merit as compared to litigation)
2 – Money
If your in Lit you know your not hitting paydirt for a good deal of time. Say your working for a lit firm you get a steady income but its not as big as one of your batchmates in a corp job would get .. or if your working with an advocate then usually your pay is really meager. But “making it in litigation takes time, recognition and a whole lot of skills in addition to your actually being good at the job, it requires a lot of guts and well at many times either financial backing or the lack of a need to support someone else financially because anyone who really makes it in litigation will earn more than he would have in a corp job and he would do this while retaining his independence and knowing the fact that he made iti n the seemingly tougher stream.
In corp you start of comfortable but compared to litigation the rising curve is sharper in the start but eventually your growth opportunities will slow down. So you start earning big from the start but the long term benefits are not as great as otherwise.
Eventually, whether you get a job at AMSS or at Kini, you go into litigation or corporate ... the biggest factor is the individual student and not just the law school …
And whoever is that idiot who seems to be basing NLIU’s problems on reservation … maybe the students there would be better off without it … but its kind of a proven fact there that it doesn’t affect their quality that much .. two of the htree AMSS students are from that quota itself .. so lets stop playing this game of pitting NLU vs NLIU .. ive got friends in both places … if you mix them up together you wouldnt be able to tell whose from where …
A lot of ppl choose corporate just cause they don’t have the guts to choose litigation and to be honest … you cant really blame them for it …. Our aim in life is to minimize risk and maximize security and luxury … it’s a simple economic analysis … so honestly stop calling litigation as a ‘higher calling’ … Lit or Corp … its your choice depending on how your answers vary to the above mentioned issues … and as for foreign law firms .. I really wouldn’t mind our economy opening up to them but as Gopal Subramaniam said … you have to improve the competence level of Indian lawyers to match that of the foreign firms on a general level or we could see the whole business shift right into their hands and god knows what not … law is not like engineering or commercial services ... there’s a lot of national interest tah goes hand in hand with the practice of law .. damn it if you wanta stupid example go watch season 5 of Boston Legal where Shirley Schmidt sues her own firm to protect it from the Chinese .;… it cocky but it has a point .. that’s why litigation can never be opened up to foreign lawyers … atleast not in the near future … but maybe with time we could open up non-litigation based sectors for them …. #9 has a bloody point in his last line … NLS,NALSAR,NUJS,NLIU,NLU … stop fighting … it wont make your placements any better and it wont make you a happier person either … we can certainly do better than this ..
law is an ass once dickens said, how about lawyer himself?
no wonder, every law institution has its own merits n demerits too..being law students our effort should solely to make our institution proud and we are to do the same...so with this lets end it here only and get back to our business,we gave quiet more to legallyindia than what was suffice, now be united, stay in harmony and get the peace....
peace!!
NLIU has all of these. One of the best libraries, smart students and above average faculty (and accept it, which law school in India has 100% perfect faculty, this is a problem that has bogged down even the best of law schools). So all you guys who haven't met even a single product of NLIU, haven't studied here or haven't even visited its campus - SHUT THE **** UP!
Peace!
We all know the placement scene's not gr8 in college and the 5th yr batch did not get their due given the crazy amount of talent they had. But why are you going public with your problems ? The college has done so much for you. What have you ever done for it ? An incompetent professor or director does not spoil the entire the institution. We all know we suffer from several drawbacks and handicaps but its upto us to bring about change. Don't forget the cliche`d dialogue from rang de basanti.
Maybe it has not been instilled in you, but there is something known as love for your institution. A sense of attachment. I have it; and so do most of my seniors currently in college. We are all proud of NLIU. None of us wish to live in a fool's paradise and claim that our Law School is the best in the country. Its not. But its upto us to try and make it. Contrary to popular perception, the college is not going down to the dumps :-) Change is always gradual... And in our case, it is taking place.
And your support will go a long way in helping us. Due apologies to you for writing all of this... I know I am not in a position to comment on it. But neither I nor any of the students currently studying in NLIU, can take crap from anyone about our college. Ever.
Having been on good terms with quite a few 5th years who just passed out, I can vouch for the fact that a substantial number of them love NLIU. Ours is a very good institution and we need your cooperation in making it a great one.
- Regards.
moreover whteva u r suggesting abt ur present seniors, as in they did not work or try hard is not the point here in this forum, its more abt them having a problem with the figures given by the university which is fabricated, so if they standing up for it and stating the truth....despite the bad name it brings to the univeristy for openly lying....
kudos to them....:-)
Grow up guys!
Join the ranks of the United Anonymous.
yesterday i was in clat site and this year there was no cut off kind of thing as last year that was minimum 100 for general catg. and 80 for OBC and ST SC but this year mostly national law college pick up student who score less then 50, what kind of master's degree standard are they trying to maintain of just filling seats.IN NLIU there are some GEN student who score 28, 30 marks....now second issue is there any placement for LLM student or just for LLM because law ministry forcing that we should due care of LLM also.
one thing you must note that NLIU students are good, but teachers in NLIU sucks big time Ex. [...] master peace of bullshit (try to meet him you will get the hint),
PS....NLIU has great library ,computer lab,online law resources etc any time better than other law schools
thank you
hope you people like it..the above information is a bitter truth about NLIU,bhopal