The Karnataka state government cabinet has signed off on the long-pending bill to set aside 25% of seats at NLSIU Bangalore for students from the state, according to a number of reports, following recent similar moves in West Bengal.
Law minister JC Madhuswamy said in a press conference that prospective NLS students who’ve studied in Karnataka for at least 10 years would be eligible for the reservation.
The amendment bill to NLS’ governing statute originally made an appearance in June 2017 with the then Congress in government and BJP in opposition jointly passing a 50% local reservation, including a 10-year requirement for parents to have been resident in the state in addition to students having to have studied in the state for five years previously.
That bill was reportedly sent back by the state governor on “technical grounds”, according to the Deccan Herald.
Madhuswamy has now said about the new draft: “At present, there are no benefits for Karnataka students at NLSIU. The earlier Bill was rejected on the grounds that you can’t have a regional reservation. Instead, you can have an institutional reservation. So, any student who has compulsorily studied for ten years in Karnataka can apply for admission under the 25% reservation.”
The bill will need to be passed in the next session of the legislature before it takes effect.
NLSIU vice chancellor Prof Sudhir Krishnaswamy told the Deccan Herald that he would have to study the bill first before being able to comment.
We have also reached out to him for comment.
The NLSIU student bar association (SBA) had in 2017 vowed to fight the 50% reservation tooth and nail.
NUJS Kolkata is facing a 30% local domicile reservation in its LLB and LLM programmes, the state law ministry announced earlier this month, following passage of the bill by the assembly in 2018.
The West Bengal bill provides reservation eligibility for residents of 10 years or more in the state, or children whose parents have a permanent address in the state.
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https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nujs-leads-nlu-student-consortium-demand-for-ini-status-to-nlus-with-law-day-demonstrations-20181127-9661
Other NLUs have a choice now: continue with the status quo or launch a protest without NLSIU.
1) You have no "fundamental right" to hog bandwidth and download hundreds of pirated movies.
2) Sudhir the most academically qualified VC among all law schools and has excellent plans for the growth of NLSIU.
If mere political power is the criterion for an effective VC - let us simply elect a tejasvi surya type VC and be done with it? Where would law school be then?
These expectations are ridiculous!
And FYI- even world class universities abroad monitor student internet usage and ensure illegal sites are blocked. You simply don’t have a right to steal movies - certainly not at the expense of the university - that money can be better spent elsewhere.
This might be hard to imagine - but engaging in scholarship is what builds institutions - research projects attract funding, increased funding attracts better faculty - and they then teach students who get a better education. Higher academic standards are a good thing for the institution over all. There is a reason this is the model followed the world over and the reason VCs of universities across the country aren’t caught trolling corridors of power.
You don’t need a VC who wouldn’t understand any of that and would instead be a politician- most politicians work only for themselves anyway.
And who is to say that this bill really is a debacle? At best this could maybe increase diversity a little bit and attract funds from the state government, and at worst this would leave things more or less the same considering how many students from Bangalore and Karnataka get into NLS anyway. And considering a similar reservation in Nalsar did nothing to change the institution negatively at all.
You seem to have problems with Sudhir beyond what he can reasonably be expected to do. I understand that changes at the university administration can be stressful for students who are used to a certain way of doing things - but taking a long view and working positively to improve the institution- especially when the administration seems open to such student participation - is perhaps the only mature way to deal with the circumstances.
Then they came for NUJS. We did not speak up as we are NLSIU, not NUJS.
Then they came from NLSIU. There was no one left to speak for us.
https://www.thehansindia.com/telangana/telangana-students-must-get-85-quota-in-nalsar-university-congress-527116
Nalsar has had a domicile quota for some time - it doesn’t seem to have affected outcomes in graduate employment? It doesn’t seem to have made the student body any less intelligent? And it certainly hasn’t turned Nalsar into a regional law college.
If the state government of Karnataka - and by extension tax payers in Karnataka are to fund NLS- wouldn’t it be reasonable for them to ask that their children have some slots reserved so they can study at NLS?
And wouldn’t it be a good thing for NLS? Most of the students from Karnataka would be able to speak Kannada and , if they desired, could help make the legal aid cell much more effective.
And if you look at demographics of the NLS student body - so many of them come from Bangalore/ Karnataka already - would this quota even really change things that much? Sudhir himself would have qualified for a domicile quota, as would the Narain brothers and Lawrence Liang for what it’s worth.
Bangalore has really good schools and several high performing students at other NLUs would also call Bangalore their home. So does this reservation actually even change things all that much?
Going even further- Why is reservation always such a bad word? Classrooms with diverse students make for better classrooms.
And for those concerned about “purity” and “merit” , shouldn’t you rather be protesting the NRI quota? They have far lower clat ranks. And those students often aren’t even really NRIs and just have connections and money to get through. And I don’t know if there has been any research on this - but in my personal experience they don’t end up doing nearly as well.
just curious to know how is it a "minority"?
What does "merit seat" signify here?
Aren't the reserved seat also open to competition? Don't they have their own merit?
You can deny these facts and choose to live in your own reality- but you will be living there all on your own - and only convincing those who agree with you.
To claim that reverse casteism exists is not only disingenuous but also - just boring and not very clever.
Further, If one were to take a historical look at who has had access to elite academic spaces in India - I doubt one could argue that slightly altering the Savarna presence would constitute a serious diversity problem.
Wealth is one indicator of social status- but a poor one in India. I know of plenty Dalit students who even after getting into NLUs had to face discrimination and caste atrocities. To their credit they bravely fought through it all and graduated to be very successful in their field. To claim that their wealth shielded them from persecution is a lie.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/karnataka-govt-to-move-bill-on-quota-for-kannadigas-in-next-session/articleshow/72662154.cms
https://www.nls.ac.in/faculty-directory/
1. This quota bill is not Sudhir's fault. All parties want it. The idea was mooted during Rao's time. If Rao had got INI/Eminence status this would not have happened.
2. Sudhir cannot bring in dozens of good faculty overnight. He needs to wait for some old profs to leave. It will happen soon, as a few are 65. Lizzie is already leaving for TNNLU as VC, as was predicted by LI readers.
3. In the meantime, Sudhir is asking the students to invite good faculty for short courses. This is well underway.
4. He also has plans for academic collaboration with Oxford and Columbia. You will hear news soon.
5. One of the most important focus areas (neglected under Rao) is faculty research and publications. These are also very important for NIRF and QS rankings. Sudhir is giving this priority.
6. Regarding internet restrictions, you will be thrown out of Harvard if you use their internet to download illegal movies all the time. In the US, students have been sued in court by film and music companies for downloading. Buy your own internet connection and do all this.
All in all, you need to wait for at least 2 years to see proper results. You seem to be biased and prejudiced in advance. I strongly suspect you are not a student but a disgruntled faculty member posing as a student.
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/cong-electioneers-for-urgent-85-local-reservations-at-nalsar-nalsar-denies-any-violation-20190507-10099
https://twitter.com/sravandasoju/status/1125395754904743936
https://consortiumofnlus.ac.in/clat-2020/participating_universities.html
https://consortiumofnlus.ac.in/clat-2020/nlus/brochure/WBNUJS.pdf
Also if NLUs have domicile reservation, it shall be uniform across all states and NLUs. Why students from states of Rajasthan, where there is no reservation in NLUJ or students from Uttrakkhand, a state without a NLU suffer? Let all NLUs be of same quality and then implement domicile reservation, no one will question.
Empirical research done on reservations indicates that not only do those in need benefit, but also that they often go back to their communities and help those in need. Reservations work.
The idea of “deserved” is funny because students who have been sent to elite schools and coaching centres and who come from families of lawyers cannot be said to deserve a spot in law school More than those who struggled through difficult circumstances , poverty and discrimination to get- perhaps slightly lesser marks. Results of competitive examinations are but one marker of “merit” and a flawed and reductionist one at that. Even world class universities like Harvard and Yale understand this which is why they have a wholistic review process. The quota system is our attempt at finding the balance.
How many children of day labourers end up at NLUs/ IITs? If you did a survey you would find that a fair few of them come from really bad circumstances.
The creamy layer is a myth propagated by political parties to sow resentment between communities. It is not an empirical truth.
Further - diverse classrooms which include students from different communities and strata of society make for better classrooms. It helps achieve learning objectives better. This has also been proven through empirical research. NLUs that enforce these quotas are better than those that do not.
State governments are expected to fund NLUs - they do not get funds from the centre. It is only reasonable that taxpayers in a state ask for spots for their children in the school they pay for. And just because NLUJ doesn’t have a domicile quota - does not mean that Nalsar/nls shouldn’t have one. Maybe it means that NLUJ must have one.
I know that to the average Savarna kid the idea of reservations seems unfair - and it hurts that he would lose out to someone who got lesser marks in an examination - but despite appearances - it is fair that the examination not be our sole measure of merit. And he should probably be protesting instead for improving legal education in universities across the country.
Also its a very problematic fact that NLUs are not inclusive at all. Neither they are pro-poor coz only the ones coming from family of lawyers or some elite schooling get advantage in almost everything especially in first two-three years. Really nationalisation seems to be the only option.
While high cost of tuition does prevent the disadvantaged from accessing these spaces - there are efforts like IDIA that aim to close the gap, and a number of other scholarships.
I know of many rich Dalits who have faced caste atrocities and discrimination. To the extent that reservation helps these people access spaces they couldn’t otherwise -they work.
https://consortiumofnlus.ac.in/clat-2020/nlus/brochure/WBNUJS.pdf
NALSAR has already announced another increase in seats to accommodate a Telangana OBC quota. Their brochure states that their intake for the BA,LLB programme will be increased from 120 to 144 and the same for the LLM programme will be increased from 60 to 72. Since they are already expanding their hostel and mess capacity, this small expansion should be manageable.
1) Karnataka quota: 25 seats
2) SC/ST/OBC quota: 50 seats
3) EWS quota: 10 seats
4) Merit: 15 seats
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https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/telangana/2019/dec/25/economically-weaker-section-quota-applicable-in-telangana-from-2021-2022-2080698.html
Please don’t misguide students
Also, should we not say Harvard of India instead of "the East"? Is NLSIU better than QS-ranked law schools in Singapore, China, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea? Do NLSIU students get more training contracts/Rhodes-Ivy scholarships than NUS Singapore or Hong Kong University students? NUS has won Jessup four times, as opposed to twice by NLSIU. How is NLSIU still better than NUS???
Besides empirical research shows that diverse classrooms make for better classrooms and help in achieving learning objectives. The fact is that those NLUs that enforce the quota should be better than those that do not.
Harvard interestingly also had a wholistic admissions review process and they strive to include within their admits people of color and those who have faced hardship. The quota system is simply our proxy for such a system.
And graduating from an NLU or even a world class university doesn’t inherently make someone a better teacher. What does make a university good are research outputs and student outcomes - and while nls has a long way to go on the former - just on the latter itself it pulls ahead of every other NLU out there. Maybe Nalsar would be a close second. So Harvard of the east or not - it is still a force to reckon with.
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- 120 seats
- 30 reserved for state domicile
- 30 reserved for caste quotas
- 3 reserved for PWD
- 12 reserved for EWS
- Open general category merit seats: 120-75 = 45 seats
1. Brahmin, Khastriya and Vaishya Hindus
2. All Muslims
3. All Christians
4. All Sikhs
5. All Parsis
6. All Jains
Forget upper castes, according to the government a Muslim, Sikh or Christian student living below the poverty line is less deserving than the son of a backward caste MP or IAS officer.
It is important to help the poor yes, but caste quotas are about levelling the playing field for those who are discriminated against and oppressed on the basis of caste. The way to help the poor is to reduce the fees these universities charge, and to do the good work that places like IDIA has been doing.
https://www.deccanherald.com/city/nlsiu-students-faculty-differ-on-quota-for-locals-790927.html
1) NLSIU: 27.94/30
2) RGNUL: 24.82/30
3) NUJS: 24.73/30
4) NALSAR: 24.62/30
5) NLUD: 23.89/30
6) GNLU: 21.83/30
7) NLUJ: 19.51/30
8) NLIU: 14.29/30
9) RMLNLU: 6.38/30
NLSIU and NUJS will both take a big hit in NIRF 2021. NLSIU could still be #1 overall because its perception score is very high, but NUJS will sink.
On a note of levity, if having domicile quotas make the NLUs 'less national', then shouldn't having foreign national and NRI quotas make them 'more international' by that same logic?
https://consortiumofnlus.ac.in/clat-2020/nlus/brochure/NLSIU.pdf
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1. Bengaluru
2. Delhi
3. Hyderabad
4.Jodhpur
5. Gandhinagar
6. Mumbai
7. Kolkata
8. Patiala
9. Kochi
10.Bhopal
11. Trichy
12. Nagpur
13. Cuttack
14. Lucknow
15. Raipur
16. Patna
17. Vishakapatnam
18. Shimla
19. Jabalpur
20. Aurangabad
21. Guwahati
22. Ranchi
23. Sonipat
- Placements
- Faculty
- Admin
- Campus infrastructure
- City where located
- Type of neighbourhood within the city where located
- Safety of girls
- Extra curricular activities and campus life
- Alumni achievements.
- Research activities and projects by faculty, involvement of students in these
- Whether culture of moral policing
An impartial person must bring this out. I am sorry, but the sporadic attempts by Lawctopus and Bar & Bench were totally biased.
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/sc-order-government-in-a-bind-on-sc/st-creamy-layer/articleshow/66021353.cms
M. Nagaraj and others v. Union of India (SC)
[quote]a member of an Other Backward Class, if falling within creamy layer, would not entitle her to the benefit of reservation.[/quote]
Shishpal Saran vs State of Rajasthan (Raj HC)
The enrolment of creamy layer quota students in NLUs is totally illegal and will be cancelled if challenged. If any NLU does not ask for income proof from quota students, this can also be challenged.
Many repeatedly mentioned here that Lord Taluk was specifically brought in to facilitate state takeover including CLATexit. NUJS was not part of CLAT consortium during his tenure and missed out Rs 1.5 crores. More seriously, how did it do admissions with CLAT scores and without BCI approval for extra 47 seats?
No NAAC score. No BCI approval. Rampant and deliberate violation of UGC rules on distance and online education. Massive pilferage of UGC grants running into crores. Serial violation of FCRA. Suspect transactions and investments involving crores in endowments. Crores overpaid to administrative staffs. Inquiries being buried.
Domicile and quota stuff is just one another in the long list.
Kian and others needn't trust a word here. Why not ask NKC directly?
I will add though that NUJS isn't alone. Pick any NLU, including the ones in Bangalore, Hyderabad, Delhi or swach ones such as RGNUL.
[quote]While studying law at a university in Hyderabad, India, I was the only Sikh male student on campus. On more than a few occasions, other students taunted me solely because I was the only one on campus who wore a turban. My "friends" suggested I cut my hair and remove my turban forever. I was so distressed that I sought advice from my father, a respected scholar who has worn a turban all his life. I told him I was tired of being easily identified as a Sikh on my small campus. [/quote]
http://sikhchic.com/current_events/i_am_a_sikhamerican_law_professor_not_a_terrorist
1. NLSIU (the biggest advantages are still the reputation and the alumni base; I am not giving it any additional importance because of the new VC, what he does for the place still remains to be seen).
2. NALSAR/NUJS/NLUD (frankly, despite all the fanfare and vilification, there is still very little to choose between these three at present, with comparable opportunities provided to students in all; the locational advantage and infra that NLUD has gets balanced by its lack of well-placed senior alumni base) (I know this will be attacked by trolls immediately, but I am strictly speaking from the pragmatic perspective of a student's well-being, not anything else). If one wishes to opt for the Civils, then they should choose NLUD for the location alone. Similarly, law firm aspirants may choose NALSAR/NUJS for better alumni base and connections.
3. NLUJ/GNLU/NLIU (not much to choose between these three, although recently NLUJ and GNLU are going ahead in terms of their outreach programme, exposure and law firm connections and NLIU has been suffering from several controversies).
4. HNLU/RGNUL (RGNUL may even have a slight edge because of better location and infra).
5. NLUO/RMLNLU (I'd keep NLUO slightly ahead because of student crowd and enthusiasm alone, together with their moot obsession, which doesn't harm either).
6. NUALS (especially good for those intending to go for litigation, good procedural laws taught by several practitioners).
7. MNLU Mumbai, Nagpur (Doing good things, locational advantage; only reason I am keeping them behind the others is because they are yet to produce graduates and alumni base hasn't developed at all. They would surely go up in the years, although till where remains to be seen).
8. CNLU, NUSRL, MNLU Aurangabad, TNNLU (TNNLU has some decent faculty and is likely to go up the ranks in future, as may Aurangabad).
9. DSNLU, NLUJAA, DNLU (Indore) (The first two have been around for quite some time, yet to make themselves known that much apart from for controversies, DNLU has got an enthusiastic and influential new VC, who may be good for the new place)
10. NLU Uttarakhand, NLU Sonepat (basically this is a residual category)
I would actually suggest students to consider private law universities of repute like Symbiosis, KIIT etc. if they cannot make categories 1-8 (or even 1-7 depending on other factors). Of course, if they can afford Jindal, they can opt for it unless they get NLSIU (not that much of a gap between the ones in category 2 and Jindal anymore and of course the latter is miles ahead in infra, foreign exposure opportunities and funding).
Disclaimer: I am not actually partial towards any NLU. Theoretically, the top 4 categories can provide more or less similar opportunities to the students, while those from the other NLUs can also end up doing equally well with determination, planning and application. This is not a 'ranking' of the NLUs either. Strictly from a career perspective and graduate outcome, I'd say. Also, entirely personal opinion. I have no desire to show any NLU down, nor people studying there. Hope it helps one or more people who may be trying to make a choice in this year.
Buddy, JGLS is third best in India after NLSIU and NALSAR. Please explain why JGLS is behind NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU etc.
I am curious though, NLSIU has its own reputation, but what made you count NALSAR so ahead of the others? I don't doubt it is a good place though, but you seem to have a sense of reasoning above and beyond the normal ken.
1. NLSIU
2. NLUD
3. NALSAR
4. NUJS
5. GNLU
6. MNLU Mumbai
7. NLUJ
9. JGLS
10. NLIU
11. RGNUL
12. NUALS
13. NLUO
14. RMLNLU
15. HNLU
16. MNLU Nagpur
17. MNLU Aurangabad
18. Symbiosis Pune
19. GGSIP
20. KIIT
21. Bennet University
22. Christ Bengaluru
23. GLC Mumbai
24. NMIMS Mumbai
25. Amity Noida
26. Symbiosis Noida
27. DSNLU
28. NLU Shimla
29. CNLU Patna
30. NLU Sonipat
31. NLU Ranchi
32. DNLU Jabalpur
33. NLU Guwahati
34. Symbiosis Hyderabad
35. UPES
https://in.news.yahoo.com/law-college-pondy-upgraded-law-105130006.html
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https://www.ndtv.com/education/25-per-cent-seat-reservation-for-local-students-in-national-law-university-odisha-2158996
1. Srividhya Raghavan
2. SKD Rao
3. PS Jaswal
1. NLSIU: Drops to 50% merit seats, but still has history and brand value on its side. Plus, the 20% domicile quota entrants will probably be elite Bengaluru students and the city has good schooling, so not a problem.
2. NLUD: Drops to 30% merit seats, but still tops in faculty and infra. Also, domicile entrants will be elite Delhi students with connections etc, so placements are secure.
3. MNLU Mum: High domicile quota, but Mumbai factor tops.
4. NUJS: Drops to 30% merit seats, but again domicile entrants will be from Kolkata, which has many reputed schools.
5. NLUJ: High number of merit seats and no domicile quota, will get very good students from now.
6. GNLU: High number of merit seats as well.
7. NALSAR: With 85% reservation coming up, the college will sink.
8. NLIU: High domicile quota, MP not an intellectually rich state.
Never take law school or career related advice from anonymous trolls online. They trend and tend to be misleading.
http://youtu.be/udTkuGHoM_w
https://theprint.in/politics/four-years-after-narada-sting-six-mamata-ministers-caught-in-another-bribery-video/372999/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/sc-stops-arrest-of-4-journalists-who-stinged-tmc-mlas/articleshow/74072656.cms