NLS students call off strike after alumns get back channel CJI green-light about process (though BCI has different plans)

NLS students call
NLS students call

NLSIU Bangalore’s students have called off their three-day-old strike about the delay in appointment of their new vice-chancellor (VC), after alumni are understood to have received an assurance that the relevant Supreme CLourt judges are expecting the process to conclude shortly.

On Twitter, the Student Bar Association said:

Our protest seems to be coming to a successful conclusion. The following statement was received from an alumnus in conversation with the CJI, who has assured that only procedural formalities are left in appointment and will be completed.

Of course, many a slip ‘twixt etc applies, considering the swirling rumours about the administration and Bar Council of India (BCI) trying to slow down the process; but NLS 2001 graduate Gopal Sankaranarayanan had met with the Chief Justice of India (CJI)-cum-chancellor on and judges on behalf of students earlier today and seems confident (see letter above).

Apparently, the CJI and Justice SA Bobde said that the confirmation of all-but-appointed candidate Prof Sudhir Krishnaswamy only required sign-off by the CJI:

“Only a formal decision is to be taken by the CJI in exercise of the consultation power, which will be out shortly,” reported Sankaranarayanan in his letter to NLS stakeholders.

The judges did however, reportedly chastise the students somewhat, asking them to call off their protests and expressing concern that the students were trying to pressure the executive council (EC).

BCI endgame unclear

They’re not the only ones: the BCI co-chairman Ved Prakash Sharma had written a letter to the CJI with feedback that “students body is crossing it’s limit by trying to question the functioning of the Executive Council and accusing the Registrar by imputing motives on him for allegedly halting the process of appointment [of Krishnaswamy], totally forgetting that the Registrar is also a senior professor of NLSIU and commands respect in the academic circles as an acclaimed teacher of law” (sic as applicable).

On top of that, Sharma suggested: “Neither the NLSIU Act nor Rules permit them [students] to be part of any such process. The role of Professor Sudhir Krishnaswamy behind the present agitation can’t be ruled out. To restore discipline in the campus, the decision to appoint him Vice-Chancellor should be reviewed by the EC and suitable action taken against the students responsible for creating the present situation in the NLSIU campus. It’s high time NLSIU is insulated from elements that pose a danger to the smooth functioning of the best law school built by decades of hard toil by most reputed legal luminaries of the country.”

Furthermore, according to the Indian Express, BCI chairman Manan Kumar Mishra “has sent in a dissent note” to the EC, “citing Krishnaswamy’s lack of administrative experience”.

The likelihood that students may get the VC they are dreaming of has increased somewhat, but it’s still nowhere near a shoo-in.

Comments

Successful? 23 Sept 2019, 11:40
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The administration, backed by a few senior faculty members, has sought to blame the CJI’s office for the delay in the appointment. “The CJI’s office has to sign off for issuing a formal notification, and we have not received that,” the registrar claimed in a meeting.

What has changed?
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:29
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Nothing much, actually. The admin said it's stuck with CJI. The CJI all but confirmed that. The BCI is now upto its usual bullying self. It's mostly a face saver for the students.
Alumni 23 Sept 2019, 15:52
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Really does not seem like a cause for celebration for the students. If anything, this is massive failure with huge ramifications. The Supreme Court judges including the CJI basically joined the BCI in invalidating the students' right to a better administration. 'The students HAVE NO SAY in the appointment of the Vice-Chancellor and cannot 'browbeat the Executive Council'. This impulsive and poorly called off protest 'based on incomplete understanding of facts' will have severe and negative consequences on legitimate protests in other NLUs.

What the hell were the SBA office-bearers thinking?!
Hahaha 23 Sept 2019, 16:25
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"Alumni" such obvious trolling.
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 03:28
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Or could be used to make gender neutral e.g. they instead of he/she
Maxxx 23 Sept 2019, 12:35
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Lesson for other NLUs in crisis: Have rock-solid unity and co-ordination between students and alumni, earmark which alum has influence in which context.

Lesser for new NLUs like HPNLU: Media and Legally India are probably your best bet.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 15:03
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Because everyone has a Gopal Shankaranaryanan who can get an audience with the CJI at a moment's notice? Marie-Antoinette supposedly sniffed, “Qu'ils mangent de la brioche”—“Let them eat cake.”
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:37
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While I am happy for NLSIU, I would like to know why Gogoi did not show the same consideration for other NLUs where he is Chancellor when worse things were happening.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:43
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Did senior alumni from those NLUs try to meet him?
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:44
+14 -1
NLUD is the next battleground. Kian, be prepared!
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:49
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What about the prof who promised to resign if Sudhir becomes VC? Woke on the outside bigot on the inside?
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:55
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I can give one example of why Sudhir is feared by the older mediocre profs. He wrote a review of Ishwar Bhat's book trashing it and calling him "obtuse" etc, which Bhat refused to publish but got published here. Because Sudhir is well qualified enough to not not give a f**k about these mediocre people, they fear him.

http://www.sociolegalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SLR-vol-91.pdf
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 14:00
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Does this mean if a student attends Sudhir's classes and provides a detailed feedback terming it obtuse, Sudhir would allow it to be uploaded on the NLSIU website? Somehow, I doubt it. Academics are all egotistical at heart, especially once they have scaled a certain height.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 12:56
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Other NLUs: go on strike to demand Sudhir in your EC. Don't forget that if he gets on the EC of an NLU, he will also not allow corruption there.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 14:01
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Achha? He's taken an oath to that effect, administered by you?
Sox 23 Sept 2019, 13:12
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Case closed, on to NLUD. Jaswal is the establishment favourite, but we can preempt the process by copying the NLSIU student petition. We must get to work RIGHT NOW. After this incident they will get smarter and for in advance to control the process.
nludrgnul 23 Sept 2019, 17:24
+1 -0
Jaswal is headed your way. Conclusively. Brace for impact NLUD before it's too late...assuming it already isn't.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 17:47
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NLUD will not be the next battleground. The students are very apathetic and also very divided. The alum are young, and by and large disinterested. NLS also had a Sudhir Krishnaswamy to rally behind. We don't have anyone. Mrinal is not yet eligible and apparently also not interested. What the students should ask for is a transparent process where the names and basic qualifications of all applicants are made available. That will put at least some pressure on the selectors to not manipulate things too much.
Lol 23 Sept 2019, 16:36
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BCI is such an embarrassment.
Alum 24 Sept 2019, 04:53
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Don't comment...vote in the next BCI election, or better still stand for election
Edit 24 Sept 2019, 07:45
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Feel free to comment... and, vote in the next BCI election, or better still stand for election
Blast from the past... 23 Sept 2019, 17:10
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This Gopal is truly something! One short audience and now everyone is thinking what was the whole kerfuffle about! The best a man can get. Truly Gillette ad hero stuff.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 18:03
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Kian, can u get hold of the list of VC applicants? These people will also apply to NLUD.
Gopal admirer 23 Sept 2019, 18:31
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What a man what a man what a man
Nacl+PPP 26 Sept 2019, 09:55
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What a mighty mighty good man :)
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 18:32
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[img]https://i.imgflip.com/3bc4bf.jpg[/img]
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 19:08
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NLUD students must rally for Mrinal, else they will lose their top 3 NIRF rank.
Guest 23 Sept 2019, 20:14
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Mr. Mrinal Satish is not eligible for the post of VC and is advised to not apply for the same. Students should not waste their time on these things. The selection committee and EC, after due deliberations will decide the candidate who is best suited for NLUD. NLUD needs a senior professor who can instill discipline and hard work ethic in students and many younger faculty who spend most of their time travelling around the world rather than on their teaching obligations. Any attempts by anyone to influence the selection process through rallying will be challenged.
Gopal admirer 23 Sept 2019, 23:19
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You should campaign for Gopal
MeruCab 23 Sept 2019, 20:54
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Its debatable who has been the most embarrassed by this whole "protest"

Was it the Registrar and some of the senior professors at NLS who rightly or wrongly delayed Sudhir's appointment?

Was it the EC?

Was it the BCI who had to hear the CJI say the file was with him?

Was it MP Singh who saw his blatant manoeuvring for Sudhir get officially challenged?

Was it the students who should realize that their drama had no effect on the selection?

Or was it Sudhir himself, who if he has any semblance of self-esteem or self-respect should turn down this position. If not he will have to take tough decisions against the same fan club of students who did this tamasha "to support him" and the senior faculty who did another bunch of tamasha "to stop him".

Classic case of everyone being the loser. Except RVR of course.
??? 24 Sept 2019, 04:14
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RVR always wins.
Fortune Teller 24 Sept 2019, 01:09
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I predicted many years ago that Sudhir's ultimate ambition is NLSIU VCship. I am now saying that his next goal will be an SC judgeship as an eminent jurist. He will spend around 8 years at NLSIU doing a lot of things that will get highlighted in the media. After that, at around 53 years, he will either make a bid or shift to NLUD and do so after 5-6 years. So instead of calling his "Professor Sudhir" we should call him "Justice Sudhir"
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 01:40
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From Indian Express: Krishnaswamy’s appointment as V-C was opposed by some of the 20 members of the executive council at NLSIU, especially members from Bar associations and veteran faculty at the university, citing his young age and lack of experience. Chairman of Karnataka State Bar Council K B Naik, a member of the executive council, said, “I have disputed the appointment since the juniormost person has been picked.”

I request LI to now make it official which faculty member opposed Sudhir, because there is only one faculty member who was on the EC, so by process of elimination it has to be her.


https://indianexpress.com/article/education/strong-support-for-panels-v-c-pick-nlsiu-deserves-well-qualified-academic-6022439/
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 03:55
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To give her credit for honesty, she has never hidden it either.
Gopal admirer 24 Sept 2019, 07:51
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Her objection is on a “me too” basis ie it should have been me.
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 10:35
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Ha ha! Good comment!
Voldemort 24 Sept 2019, 07:59
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Actually there are 3 faculty members on the EC. But you're right, she was the one who was opposing Sudhir's appointment citing lack of experience. It's there in the minutes of the 88th EC.
CocaX 24 Sept 2019, 07:54
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Coward kids,
Should have sat on a hunger strike until VC is appointed.
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 08:04
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I am told JGLS was circling like a vulture hoping to grab Sudhir if he got rejected. These people are shameless.
Alum 24 Sept 2019, 12:06
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Why are they shameless? If NLS EC doesnt want Sudhir, it's JGLS's gain if they get him - what is unethical in that.
Appeal 24 Sept 2019, 08:15
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NLUD students, please rise up or we will get destroyed if that man becomes VC. Remember how the following NLUs sank after having great founder VCs:

1. NUJS: Menon (in fact, followed by Chimni and MP Singh, who are just as respected)
2. NLUJ: NL Mitra (who continued Menon's legacy at NLSIU), followed by Justice Mathur (also very good).
3. GNLU: VS Mani (a legendary international law jurist).

NUJS was once regarded as a close second to NLSIU, NLUJ was not far, GNLU was going great guns. Then see what happened when Bhat/Saxena/Patel took over. We already know that JGLS is sneakingly trying to poach people, without respecting any ethics.

The time to act is NOW, because behind the scenes moves have already started. The selection committee is going to be totally biased. It is time to STRIKE and BOYCOTT classes demanding that the process is transparent.
Suggestions 24 Sept 2019, 11:02
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Responding to Appeal @ 20

It will be stupid of NLUD students to indulge in conventional forms of "protest" "boycott" etc. In any case only one LLM student had the guts to do something which is making someone nervous about attending convocations elsewhere. Ah, the majesty of Justice and so easily shaken (not stirred?)

I really doubt NLUD has students who will actually stage protests etc to do anything on your suggested lines. Wanna test? Just check if NLUD students can even get hold of minutes and agenda notes of all EC, AC, FC etc. meetings thus far. The hard data will help you now and in future.

Get in touch with RGNUL and HPNLU guys. Collaborate. Also contact HNLU guys who stared down a very hostile state government and elements in the judiciary (at multiple levels). Law as a discipline and as taught and practiced in India cultures most folks to be conservative. So don't expect much love from judiciary and the Bar. By now you must know how things really work....

NUJS students and a former SJA President had made some great suggestions on VC selections (both reported on Legally India). Get in touch with both to know why or how that move was done in by the judiciary while a certain someone who sought to do wonders at NLSIU kept quiet. By the way Saxena got to hollow out NLUJ thanks to this person. We have enough Gods to worship. Don't add more.
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 13:22
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Why told you NLUD students are cowardly? FYI a student petition like the one by NLSIU SBA demanding a good VC is being prepared. Students are willing to go on strike like it happened at CNLU to prevent a tainted VC.
NLUD Alum 24 Sept 2019, 17:52
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I don't know if this is true, but if it is, and if students are serious about ensuring that NLUD does not go the way of some other law schools, consider the following suggestions:

(1) Right now, figure out who all are on the selection committee. Get a statement going on the kind of VC you would like to see appointed. Circulate to all EC members and all high court judges. Yes, all. Let them all talk about it. Then create a monitoring committee of students to monitor the selection process. Keep asking what is happening, put pressure for transparency so that applicants are known, their qualifications are in the public domain, do your due diligence and be prepared to protest if it looks like a sub-standard VC is likely to be appointed.

(2) The best VC in the world cannot do you any good without good faculty. A more immediate danger for you is that *before* RS leaves, the top NLUD faculty will also be gone. Some people have already left: Akila was a big loss a few years ago, Chinmayi left recently. Try and stop the others from leaving. I have heard from *very* credible sources that [...] is joining Azim Premji in Bangalore in a few months. [...] will probably follow suit after his DJA stint. In any case, it is highly unlikely that he will come back to NLUD. Perhaps this can still be salvaged? [...] has been speculating about his own place at NLUD. Jindal is looking to poach Arul and Yogesh (I don't know whether they are willing to be poached or not). We all know what these people are facing from the 'old guard'. Maybe this is too late, maybe it is not. But I am sure if all these people leave, then other good faculty will hesitate to join. Discuss strategies around faculty retention and make that the top of your agenda.

(3) The NLS saga came to an end because of an alum. People in my office from NLS have been spending half their time coordinating statements, reaching out to people, and generally making sure that students are protected. Alumni matter. Treat them well. You may disagree with them or think they are wrong. That can be communicated civilly. But if you descend into name calling and hurling abuses which is what happened last time alumni tried intervening, you will lose your biggest support group in the outside world. I am writing on an anonymous platform instead of sending an email for circulation to students only because I don't want to deal with any backlash. Re-consider.

Organize yourselves before it is too late. Though I fear my comments will fall on deaf ears. Still. I have made my attempt and I can go off to sleep in peace!
Another NLUD Alum 25 Sept 2019, 19:23
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Agree completely with this. The pressure will be on at NLUD now. The VC is in a lame duck situation and all sorts of lobbying must be happening at the back end, especially to make sure that no Sudheer type appointment takes place here. Students need to organize and be strategic about this. Is there anyway to connect IRL so that we can discuss how alum can contribute?
Yet another NLUD Alum 26 Sept 2019, 18:44
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If the students have to be prepared for a serious tussle over the VC issue, they have to be united. That means they should stop turning on each other, and end the constant infighting. Disagree with each other by all means, but in a reasoned manner and not by attacking each other all the time. And for God's sake, please stop supporting and endorsing cyber bullying, even if it is in the guise of 'edgy' memes! I also support alum action on the VC search issue....
NLUD VC 24 Sept 2019, 14:15
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Maybe someone has already mentioned these. But I think NLUD students should take note of the suggestion made here https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/opinion-ex-student-bar-association-prez-arjun-agarwal-on-how-not-to-choose-a-vice-chancellor-20190609-10619
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 15:44
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Did they consider these points while 'choosing' Lord Taluk for themselves?
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 15:50
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Some students are spreading utter rubbish that Sudhir will still not make it etc. One idiot has even given a statement to the Wire (which is always looking to stir trouble). The fact is that Sudhir is CONFIRMED and the CJI SAID SO HIMSELF.
Guest 24 Sept 2019, 17:17
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Here is what may happen in the EC: Sudhir will be confirmed subject to a 2-month enquiry on whether he had role in instigating the protest as BCI says. Tactic to humiliate him.
Guest 25 Sept 2019, 04:26
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He's knowingly coming to an institution that's been his alma mater with the knowledge that most of his colleagues who had also been his teachers, do not want him there to begin with. I think he's likely to be immune to any such tactic by the outsiders.
NLUD VC 24 Sept 2019, 19:59
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NUJS students weren't given a choice. Lord Taluk was proposed by Lord Limitless Ray. VC position at NUJS was rigged from start that the students didn't know. They had falsely assumed that Lord Taluk would complete the inquiries to leave a clean slate for MKS who was expected to return from ILI. Even that poor guy thought that he wouldn't get tripped again.

Unfortunately, several faculty members, including folks considered "friends" of MKS plotted against his return. While most folks assume that politics of state government is to be blamed, elements in the HC also joined the chorus. Quickly the slogan emerged from the powers that be that this time NUJS will have a "Bengali VC". MKS saw the writing on the wall and quietly stepped back and continued with ILI.

The state government was ably supported by a now well-known (not necessarily well-regarded) SC judge. VCV was a shot in the dark by some folks in Delhi who wanted to expand their base of influence. The same group is now gunning for NLUD. But VCV never really stood a chance.

It was clear that given the paralyzing effects of Lord Taluk and his friends in the EC/elsewhere in the state, HC etc and the fiasco involving MKS, NUJS wouldn't attract a good pool of candidates. A party apparatchik was nearly appointed but SJA suggestions and skirmishes with Lord Taluk, AG, Lord Limitless Ray and their minions resulted in the VC process being slowed down. Eventually NKC was imposed. SJA could have done very little against the might of the state and a hostile HC. Please also note that they also had to contend with a 30% domicile quota issue.

CNLU, NUJS, HNLU and even earlier NLU Ranchi suffered judicial administrations. HNLU has seemingly come out of the wringer better. Moral of the story - students can only do so much if the state and HC are ranged against them. Things become a very steep climb when they are additionally burdened with self-serving faculty and admin fat cats.

Hopefully the knowledge of "failure" at NUJS can save NLUD and other NLUs.
Guest 25 Sept 2019, 05:34
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Say whatever you want to, the fact remains that we could have protested anytime like other NLU students did, during Lord Taluk's 18 months of reign. To assume that the SJA kept thinking he'd honour his mandate during all that time is to cast aspersions on their sanity. Most people here thought a protest of one day that's led to removal of PIB is all that's needed to set matters straight. That was our main folly. The state and other parties might have been conspiring, but we made their job easier by lying down quiet apart from occasional ineffectual SJA petitions.
All for what? 25 Sept 2019, 01:22
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https://thewire.in/education/discontent-simmers-as-nlsiu-bangalore-students-end-protest-over-vc-appointment

Alumni and students wrote against CJI Gogoi on the alleged SH matter. But now SBA cannot (or will not) even muster the courage shown by someone at NLUD convocation. Previously, in several "traditional" universities students who aren't as "special" as us or our alumni have actually gone on stage and respectfully (but firmly) declined, en masse or individually, to accept degrees, medals, citations etc from the hands of powerful folks during convocations.

Not suggesting we do that or anything else (then again why not?). But SBA is now readily "assuring" a red carpet welcome to certain nervous judges who take themselves way too seriously. What are these sudden flip-flops about?

We were already risking so much. What could the powers that be have taken away from us? Why did we stake so much on someone who has happily remained in the shadows and chirps only when convenient? It is our skin in the "game". What did Prof MP Singh and his supposed progeny put on the line?

And to the anti-Sudhir camp - if you have a world of evidence against Sudhir, such as his supposed irregular appointment as Professor at NUJS by Prof Singh etc, why don't you "leak" or splash in media or go to the court? Did you bring this "hard evidence" before Justice Bobde committee? Did he swat it off? If yes, why keep at it?

Sudhir is an established academic etc. But after all this I am not sure if I want someone who let students become collateral damage in this sick game of Chairs.
Guest 25 Sept 2019, 05:41
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Agree with most of your points. But Sudhir didn't ask students to go on strike. He is okay with sitting back and waiting it out because he doesn't have to do anything else. For him to speak out in favour of his own appointment being expedited would be seen largely as boorish. I really don't know why the protest died down after the CJI said the matter was with him. The immediate question should have been what was taking him this long exactly to get over with some procedural formality when majority EC members have already approved the selection? Students find it easy to aspersions on irregular acts by the faculty-admin, but not by the Chancellor or EC members, though given the power inequality, that's to be expected.
As for the irregularities in Sudhir's appointment, that's a well-known fact. For the same person to be part of the search committee itself was also an obvious conflict. However, MP's stature together with Sudhir's record cumulatively ensured that those matters would be swept under the carpet.
well 25 Sept 2019, 10:16
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Check for breaking news right now. That's why the SBA called it off the moment CJI gave his assurance. Good faith begets good faith.
Guest 25 Sept 2019, 07:49
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Easiest way to stall Sudhir's appointment is to file a petition challenging it.
Mr Evidence 25 Sept 2019, 11:33
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Sudhir has been appointed. He's taken office.
#SaveNUJS 26 Sept 2019, 08:00
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DRAFT PETITION: We, the students and alumni of NUJS unequivocally condemn the remarks made by Professor [...], insinuating that Hindi-speakers should leave West Bengal Such ignorant and xenophobic remarks are not only out of place in any institution of learning (leave alone one of national repute like ours) and in any state in India (leave alone one with a long history of tolerance and cosmopolitanism). We condemn these remarks by Professor [...] and demand an unqualified apology from him, failing which we endure the Student Juridical Association to initiate necessary action. We also express grave at recent attempts at interference in our institution by chauvinistic and xenophobic political elements, who are least concerned with improving academic standards or the financial well-being of our university, and, on the contrary do their best to undermine it.

Our university is one of a handful in Bengal that is national and cosmopolitan in character, and free of the scourge of violent student politics. Our founding Vice Chancellor, Professor NR Madhava Menon, very much intended our university to be modelled on the National Law School of India University in Bengaluru, which he founded 12 years before ours. His successors, Professor BS Chimni and Professor MP Singh,are both academic os similar high standing, and attempted to maintain the high standards of our university.

We are determined that NUJS remains a tolerant, liberal, secular, egalitarian institutions, where the students are welcome irrespective of social or economic status, caste, region, religion, food preferences, linguistic preferences or sexual orientation.