NLSIU 2017 Day Zero success: 33 placed as Shroff brothers pick up 17, plus 1 big-money A&O training contract

2017 looks bright for NLSIU batch
2017 looks bright for NLSIU batch

NLSIU Bangalore’s 2017-graduating batch placed 33 out of 53 participating recruitment coordination committee (RCC) members, out of a total batch of 81, on 2 April.

The 33-day-zero-jobs figure matches last year’s NLSIU tally of 33 Day Zero jobs, which was also held on 2 April.

The top recruiter this year was Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas (SAM), which picked up five students via pre-placement offers (PPOs), which are normally made to students after internships at a firm, and four accepted offers on the day zero on campus.

Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas (CAM) recruited a total of eight, with four to join via the PPO route and four after campus interviews.

Khaitan & Co and Trilegal hired a total of 7 students, with a mix of PPOs and campus offers.

AZB & Partners and Luthra & Luthra recruited three and two respectively, solely from campus interviews, while Talwar Thakore & Associates hired one student after Day Zero campus interviews.

Samvad Partners and S&R Associates both did not participate in campus interviews but picked up one student each via PPO. J Sagar Associates (JSA) also attended Day Zero but did not return with any new hires.

One lucrative training contract has already been accepted by a student with London-headquartered international magic circle firm Allen & Overy (which pays Rs 39 lakh in the first year of training contracts, increasing to Rs 74 lakh after two years; Indian law firms pay up to around Rs 15 lakh per year at most to freshers). Two students have been offered a vacation schemes with Linklaters Hong Kong (vacation schemes have a good chance of being converted into a similarly well-paid training contract at the international magic circle firm).

With a whole year in the NLSIU recruitment season still to go, it seems likely that NLSIU will again hit its tally of 100% placements as it (and several other national law schools) did in 2015.

The 2017 RCC at NLSIU is run by Akshat Agarwal, Lavanya Chawla, Ishani Banerjee, Gaganjyot Singh, Nupur Raut, Sulakshan V. S., Surbhi Ajitsaria.

Also read: all our previous law school campus recruitment stories

Also read: Last year’s Day Zero figures at other law schools:

Nalsar Hyderabad got between 35-39 jobs on its Day Zero last year, NUJS Kolkata secured 40 jobs for its fourth years, NLSIU Bangalore’s Day Zero last year yielded 33 jobs and 4 vacation schemes, while NLU Delhi secured 20 jobs and 4 vacation schemes, NLIU Bhopal got around 22 jobs, GNLU Gandhinagar 24 jobs and NLU Jodhpur hauled in 31.

NLSIU I2017 batch Day Zero recruitment stats

PPOs acceptedDay Zero offers acceptedTotal accepted
Shardul Amarchand549
Cyril Amarchand448
Khaitan & Co224
Luthra & Luthra022
Trilegal213
AZB & Partners033
Talwar Thakore Associates011
Samvad Partners11
S&R Associates11
Allen & Overy1 training contract1
Linklaters (Hong Kong)2 vacation schemes
Totals161733

Total class size: 81

Total RCC membership: 53

Day Zero: 2 April

Comments

Lizzie boi 7 Apr 2016, 06:16
+6 -6
Just 3 magic circle (best case)? Maybe standards are dropping after all. Law school has nothing to be proud of placing people at tier 1 Indian firms. That's the minimum that can be expected.
Outsider 7 Apr 2016, 07:58
+2 -1
Given the market conditions, quite a good achievement. Even NUJS Day Zero has gone quite well, though the CRC will not be revealing official statistics at this juncture. Slightly surprised to see Samvad making it to the list of Day Zero recruiters, though.
kianganz 7 Apr 2016, 08:01
+0 -4
Out of interest - are you an NUJS CRC member or close to them? Why does the NUJS CRC not want to disclose its figures yet exactly?
LOL@NLS 8 Apr 2016, 05:04
+0 -1
This is because - the NUJS CRC does not wish for other recruiters to think that all the best students have been taken, and thus not recruit from NUJS.
kianganz 8 Apr 2016, 06:14
+11 -0
Why is it that every year one RCC (mostly NUJS) decides to be all cloak and daggers and behave as opaque as their administration?

For the record, NUJS RCC has declined to provide figures despite two separate requests made.

Know this:

1. We will get 90% of the NUJS Day Zero figures anyway, whether the RCC tells us the figures or not. It might just take us a day or 2 longer.

2. If the RCC does not tell us the figures, all you're doing is making us waste some time that should be better spent reporting on opaque administrations, as NUJS students in particularly exhort us repeatedly to do.

3. Law firms aren't stupid. They know they haven't been invited for Day Zero and that the 'best' of the batch have been hired already. If you hope to keep that stuff secret from them, it's a little naive / borderline dishonest. There has also never been any correlation between us having published Day Zero and final recruitment tallies at law schools. It depends on individual merit and performance in interviews and internships after Day Zero, not deception of recruiters.

4. You are depriving aspirants from transparency while picking their law schools.

5. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too by hiding your results, yet gleefully LOL'ing at other law schools' performance, while trying to deprive them of intelligence about market sentiments and recruitment projections at law firms.

I know angry NUJS alums and students will disagree with me, and sure, RCCs have a right to make their own policy and yadiyaa, but we also have a right to disagree with those decisions and criticise the lack of common-sense logic to them.

Not expecting this to change intransigence of NUJS, though holding out hope they'll come to their senses.
Outsider 8 Apr 2016, 17:40
+4 -0
Amazingly, Kian, the way you have ranted against an anonymous comment by assuming it is from someone from NUJS (and probably a CRC member) and reading a lot into it, is making me wonder at the level of stress you are under, for I usually have a fair amount of respect for you as a journalist. Also, you made it sound like you have a God-given duty to report Day Zero statistics and time spent on it is what is keeping you away from reporting on inept administration. I dare say such is not the case. As I mentioned in the other post too, you can perhaps allege intransigence, opacity and what have you if after completion of recruitment, the CRC refuses to supply official statistics. Not before. As for students who may be interested in picking their colleges based on statistics, I daresay they can get by with last year's complete statistics and of the years before that, instead of haphazardly relying on half-baked statistics in the middle of recruitment, as your other report consists of.
Haha 7 Apr 2016, 08:22
+2 -0
It didn't, just gave a PPO
Lizzie boi 7 Apr 2016, 08:37
+1 -2
How do you mean market conditions? The biggest firm in India split down the middle, and both recruited as separate firms. Tangibly increased the demand, along with other Tier I firms competing to not get left behind. So most people were bound to get placed in Tier I.

Or do you mean Magic Circle market conditions? No major upheavals, and I am led to believe that many other NLU's also have a few Vacation Schemes. Which means, that unlike other years, no Magic Circle dominance this year by Law School, which is disappointing by Law School's own standards.
NOT falling standards 7 Apr 2016, 11:01
+12 -0
By "other years" do you mean 10-15 years ago when NLS had hardly any other competitors which meant by necessary implication that if Magic Circle firms came to India, they would recruit from NLS. This is not the situation anymore as NLUs like NALSAR, NUJS, NLU-D are doing equally well and have students of similar intellectual capacity (unless you think that a difference of a few hundred ranks in CLAT makes a huge difference in intellect, in which case you are highly mistaken). Given the varied choice these firms get and the limited numbers they hire from India, it follows that they hire no more than 3-4 students from NLS each year- which has been the trend for the past few years. So please, before you lament how things were so much better in your time and NLS student quality has experienced a slump, keep these factors in consideration. :)
Hardly surprising 11 Apr 2016, 04:14
+0 -0
Why is it surprising that Samvad made it to the list of Day Zero recruiters? Almost all partners are either NLS alumni or from tier 1 law firms. Hardly surprising.
Ninon 16 Dec 2016, 08:11
+0 -0
Why am i not able to vote on the above comment? It says voted already when I haven't. Upvote.
Curious-2 7 Apr 2016, 08:16
+42 -3
Just curious. Did anyone wear shorts to the interview?
Timepass 7 Apr 2016, 11:25
+15 -3
Haha, all these rights discourse goes to the bin when it comes to the job :p
Change with the times 7 Apr 2016, 13:48
+13 -6
There were definitely skirts. Showing knees. *gasp the horror* And we still got jobs. Imagine!
Alias 8 Apr 2016, 07:48
+5 -9
Or did they get jobs because they wore skirts??
Your Baap 7 Apr 2016, 18:36
+3 -3
NALSAR has better figures.
LOL@NLS 8 Apr 2016, 05:04
+2 -4
Well, NUJS has had record high Day Zero figures this year, though the exact number isn't going to be made public just yet.
Outsider 8 Apr 2016, 17:42
+3 -1
Just on the off chance that you are an NUJS student, you are not doing your university any favour by your childish antics. Just saying.
Pixie 8 Apr 2016, 08:38
+3 -2
Kian your reports on Nagaraj and this raise an interesting question. NLSIU students are considered very bright and have a lot to be proud about. But Are they being taught by the best faculty, and can they be proud of their faculty? Are these placements because of the student's own merit, or because of the training given by faculty? And how come graduates of NLSIU prefer to do a PhD abroad and teach at universities abroad? Maybe you should do a story on this and interview graduates of NLSIU teaching abroad. Penn, Oxford, London, Singapore are some of the places where NLSIU alum teach.
Anon123456 8 Apr 2016, 09:52
+2 -1
While it is true that Nls does not has the best faculty for every course, but the condition in nls is still much better as compared to other nlu's.
Not ture 8 Apr 2016, 11:00
+5 -4
Sorry bro, NLUD faculty is a thousand times better than NLSIU. NALSAR faculty is also better.
Lizzie boi 8 Apr 2016, 11:11
+6 -2
Well, I can't comment on other NLUs. But as a product of Law School, let me say this. A handful of faculty are truly brilliant, most are just average, and many are borderline incompetent. Anecdotally, this seems to be the case across most Tier I NLUs. I completely agree with the earlier comment that CLAT ranks are no indication of ability. But with no other metric to evaluate candidates at the time of admission, that's all we've got.

No doubt, the bottom or even middle rung in a batch of 80 from law school are easily outclassed by the upper echelons of all Tier I NLUs. However, recruitment numbers seem to hold because they look for a certain kind of candidate, at Tier I Indian firms. Those that can do a lot of work (often requiring very little application of mind), in a time efficient manner. A lot of people in Law School manage the course load in the trimester system quite efficiently. In my mind, that is the primary difference in training that sets Law School apart in terms of recruitment.

It's got nothing to do with intelligence, or ability.

PS: I say this as a Law School product, who'd been with a Magic Circle firm since I was recruited. I often take part in campus recruitment drives, either actively in person or at some stage of review of applicants. My friends in Tier I Indian firms have said, "we often hesitate to take someone on Day Zero if they're middle-rung (academically) at NALSAR/NUJS, but we are more comfortable with extending offers to NLS people in the same relative position. More often than not, these guys are able to adapt to Big Law work culture better than similarly positioned fellows from other Tier I NLUs.


PPS: As for my earlier comment on more Magic Circle recruitment from NLS not being the case anymore, of course it has to do with more NLUs coming up. However, I hear through the grapevine, that this year's crop of applicants to our firm weren't particularly impressive. Far fewer Vacation Schemes were extended by our firm to Law School applicants than before.
Does it matter? 8 Apr 2016, 18:32
+0 -0
Super senior Lizzie Boi explained it best. CLAT ranks do not determine intellect or ability, but Law School has some rigorous training with the trimester system. Because of the legacy, accomplishments, brilliant student body, Law Schoolites are just used to an extremely stressful lifetime. It's not about innate intelligence beyond a point.
Even if certain professors are average, course material is usually vast and enlightening.

Point being, there's a culture unique to law school which has little to do with most of the faculty.
Alias 8 Apr 2016, 14:25
+3 -0
The comments on poor faculty at NLUs are totally valid. Placements are not because of faculty but in spite of faculty. It is time an expose was done to show how bad the faculty is at tier 1 NLUs.
NLUJ 9 Apr 2016, 13:13
+0 -1
NLUJ day zero also took place. Reports of lots of Luthra PPOs, a SAM PPO, CAM and Trilegal offers too