No comment from Sudhir on Faizan charge: NLS violated own Act by skipping Acad Council sign off on Claxit

The NLS Act spells out fairly explicitly that the AC, not the EC, is responsible for admissions tests
The NLS Act spells out fairly explicitly that the AC, not the EC, is responsible for admissions tests

NLSIU Bangalore may have violated its own establishing act by launching the National Law Aptitude Test (NLAT) admissions test without getting the sign-off of the academic council (AC), which we understand has not met since February of this year.

An authoritative NLSIU source told us that to the best of their knowledge, the AC last convened in February and at which point there had been no thought yet about NLSIU leaving the CLAT.

The issue was first raised publicly by Nalsar Hyderabad vice-chancellor (VC) Prof Faizan Mustafa, who has been a vocal critic of NLS’ decision to exit the CLAT and boot up the NLAT.

The reason this may turn out to be important is that under section 13(1)(g) and (h) of the National Law School of India Act 1986, which established India’s first national law university, the executive council (EC) of NLSIU needs the “prior concurrence” of the AC to make any regulation affecting “mode of enrolment or admission of students” and “examinations to be recognised as equivalent to school examinations” (see screenshot of Act above).

However, in its notification announcing that it was leaving the Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) and creating the NLAT, NLSIU had only mentioned the EC.

The AC is conspicuous by its absence:

This matter [the delays in the Common Law Admission Test (CLAT)] was considered at length at a Faculty Meeting at the University on August 6th, 2020 where the Faculty unanimously resolved that NLSIU needed to take all measures necessary to avoid a ‘Zero Year.’

The Executive Council of the University, at its 91st Meeting held in two sessions on 12th August 2020 and 18th August 2020 met to consider the matter and unanimously resolved to authorize the University to develop an alternative admissions process in the event that CLAT 2020 was not conducted on September 7th 2020.

Despite apparently “unanimous” agreement from faculty members to “take all measures to avoid a ‘Zero Year’“, the AC at NLS is larger than just its 12 faculty members, and also includes five Supreme Court judges and four Bar Council of India (BCI) members, as well as one advocate of the Karnataka high court (see full list below).

The EC includes six different Supreme Court judges, including the Chief Justice of India (CJI), eight different bar council members, including chairman Manan Kumar Mishra, two Karnataka government representatives from the education and law departments, and five other NLS faculty members.

And while the EC at many national law universities has significant powers over the other bodies, section 13 explicitly states that the EC “shall not make any regulation affecting the status, powers… of any authority of the School until such authority has been given an opportunity of expressing an opinion in writing on the proposed changes”.

It is not clear if that has taken place.

The vice-chancellor (VC) Prof Sudhir Krishnaswamy and the registrar Prof Sarasu Thomas are the only members who are part of both the AC and the EC.

Both of them and the university declined to confirm and respond to questions such as when the last AC meeting took place, whether it was legal within the Act to decide to hold the NLAT without EC approval, despite repeated requests for comment since Monday (7 September).

Mustafa had first made the points in an article on LiveLaw and in a YouTube video (in Hindi, at around the 3 minute mark). In the LiveLaw article, he stated: > In fact under Section 13(1)(g) of NLSIU Act, Executive Council cannot make any regulation on the ‘enrollment or admission’(emphasis added) to NLSIU without the ‘prior concurrence’(emphasis added) of the Academic Council.

NLSIU has not stated in its notification of NLAT that Executive Council in its meetings of August 12 and 13 was acting on the recommendation of its Academic Council. The legality of Executive Council’s decision for going ahead with NLAT without Academic Council’s recommendation/ prior concurrence may be raised by the affected students.

So far, NLSIU has provided no answers to these questions.

NLSIU academic council members

1 Hon’ble Mrs.Justice Indu Malhotra Judge, Supreme Court of India

2 Hon’ble Mr. Justice Vineet Saran Judge, Supreme Court of India

3 Hon’ble Mr.Justice Sanjiv Khanna Judge, Supreme Court of India

4 Hon’ble Mr.Justice Bhushan R Gavai Judge Supreme Court of India

5 Hon’ble Mr. Justice Ajjikuttira S. Bopanna Judge Supreme Court of India

6 Shri. Sunil Gupta Member, Bar Council of India

7 Shri.Desh Raj Sharma Member, Bar Council of India

8 Shri.D K Sharma Member, Bar Council of India

9 Shri.Vishnu Vardhan Reddy Member, Bar Council of India

10 Shri Aruna Shyam M, Advocate, High Court of Karnataka

11 Prof.(Dr.) Sudhir Krishnaswamy Vice Chancellor

12 Prof.(Dr.) Sarasu Esther Thomas, Professor of Law & Registrar, NLSIU

13 Prof.(Dr.) V. Nagaraj Professor of Law, NLSIU

14 Prof.(Dr.) M.K. Ramesh Professor of Law, NLSIU

15 Prof. (Dr.) T. Ramakrishna Professor of Law, NLSIU

16 Prof. (Dr.) Ashok R. Patil Professor of Law, NLSIU

17 Prof.(Dr.) T. S. Somashekar Professor of Economics, NLSIU

18 Prof.(Dr.) Sairam Bhat Professor of Law, NLSIU

19 Prof. Babu Mathew Resident Professor, NLSIU

20 Prof. P.R. Chandrasekharan Chair Professor, NLSIU

21 Shri. Rahul Singh Associate Professor, NLSIU

22 Dr.Nagarathna A. Associate Professor, NLSIU

Comments

Guest 9 Sept 2020, 09:04
Troll
+7 -62
People attacking Sudhir and NLSIU are just jealous people from other NLUs. They are jealous that they will never be #1 in NIRF or enter QS ranking. Also, NLSIU has won Jessup twice and produced max recipients of prestigious scholarships and fellowships -- not just Rhodes, but also Fulbright, Chevening, Inlaks, Gates, Commonwealth, Felix etc. And from outside UK/US, prestigious scholarships like Humboldt Foundation (Germany), Erasmus Mundus (EU), Eiffel Scholarship (France) etc.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 09:19
+38 -3
So what? Do you have an actual point? And nobody is blamin NLS as an institution, only its current admin. Even its own alum have done so, genius.
Lawday 9 Sept 2020, 12:50
+23 -0
Oh wow, NLS has won the Chevening?! Well that settles it then, the NLAT is perfectly good to go ahead, this is what was everyone's primary concern. Idiot.
illegal 10 Sept 2020, 07:13
+0 -0
These are institutions of excellence guidelines. Please read them to see how NLSIU satisfies these requirements. Of course if NLSIU has similar kinds of contacts like JIo University, it will easily get it. Please see how many condemned TLCs are there.
illegal 10 Sept 2020, 07:50
+0 -0
Sorry this is the link.
https://www.ugc.ac.in/pdfnews/2170800_Guidelines-for-Educational-lnstitutions-as-lnstitutions-of-Eminence-2017.pdf
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 09:17
+32 -2
Trust a great legal scholar to overlook such basic procedural requirements. It takes ordinary, sub-standard people with "TLC background" to point those out. When one is focused on the bigger picture of how to screw over thousands of applicants, such smaller pictures tend to get ignored.
Wellwisher 9 Sept 2020, 09:38
+22 -3
If only Sudhir had done his due diligence to ensure that his decision was within the bounds of the statute. For a man so academically inclined, he definitely has very scant regard for the word of the law.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 10:15
+17 -2
He has scant regard for his own word too. Why should that of law be treated any differently?
Well well 9 Sept 2020, 11:52
+25 -2
Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, the entire anti-Venkata Rao lobby led by a certain Shamirpet refugee would rant endlessly about how "formal academic channels have been bypassed by Venkata Rao" when he provided for re-evaluation of answer scripts - yes people may have passed a course on reval, but it served a vital function to check rank arbitrariness by some entrenched faculty egos.

Now once Messiah took over, this system was expected to be overhauled - presumably with a faculty review panel/academic committee to closely scrutinise re-evaluation applications on merits and so on. Of course, that would be the international best practice, and as such would have been welcomed.

But what Messiah did instead was to promulgate an officer order (@Kian please don't censor this comment, not names have been taken beyond the highest profile public figures, and these facts can be verified, including this office order) which said that "re-evaluation will be done by the Vice-Chancellor". Now how absurd is this? If Venkata Rao had been liberal with re-evaluation, at least the papers were being sent to BU law faculty at times, or some other teachers as the Exam Department could muster. But under Messiah, his holiness alone would go through each answer script and decide whether the marking was fair or not. How on earth is this anything but arbitrary? In fact, this is objectively a less-fair mechanism than Venkata Rao's system.

But we don't see Venkata Rao haters saying a word now, including aforementioned refugee. So, for all their long diatribes about law school accountability, this little cabal of tinpot dictators are a worse-off proposition for a public institution like Law School.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 08:21
+0 -10
Ok snowflake.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 09:48
+4 -28
CLAT consotium failed to conduct test where only 60 to 70 thousand aspirants participate. Where as other national exams where as lakhs of students participate is going on. Due to which nlsiu can not be fully effective and loose time which they may fear that they will loose No 1 status.
This situation has araised due tio failure of CLAT Consortium to conductexams in time and many students have become sick of it.
Idiocy 9 Sept 2020, 12:51
+10 -1
If the CLAT was conducted on the originally scheduled date, many students would have literally become sick. The Consortium also could not hold exams when it was literally not possible to due to to various shutdowns.
Consequences? 9 Sept 2020, 14:12
+0 -7
So that doesn’t have consequences? Why didn’t clat move to at least an equitable online home test earlier on given everything going on right now? Do they think Covid will magically disappear on September 28? You can’t keep giving out excuses when it’s you have had so long to do better no?

Also please consider the impact of these delays. For a lot of students they get a very short window of time to get something like this. Most Indian parents can not afford to and do not want to encourage a gap year. Students will be pushed into sub par but more expensive private universities if not marriages and work for those who cannot afford the first option. This is more true the longer they keep postponing an entrance exam. Getting into an NLU should be the starting point for building the rest of your life, if people don’t even get a shot at it because of continuous delays and the consortium won’t even consider alternatives- that is a serious problem. Why won’t people recognise that inaction is an action and has consequences?
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 15:26
+15 -0
Equitable online home test? Let them eat cake if they can't eat bread.
Consequences? 9 Sept 2020, 16:50
+0 -5
So what is your solution? If no home test is equitable do you want people to die to be able to take this test? That seems more fair to you? Think through your arguments for once.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 17:13
+6 -0
No test till things are safe is an option. Law firms aren't taking in freshers, but agar law school ka zero-year hua to duniya khatam ho jayegi?
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 06:52
+1 -7
People who can't or don't want to give the test this year can always give it next year when things are better. What's the problem really? They can take a zero year, why should the college do that when there are people willing to write the test this year?
Consequences? 10 Sept 2020, 08:33
+6 -1
That comments speaks to your privilege. Not mine. Not everyone wants to join law school to get law firm jobs. And for so many students - getting a degree from law school is the best way to ensure upward mobility. Not everyone can afford a gap year where they do nothing. Not everyone has that luxury or can even conceive of that as a possibility within their family situation.

A zero year means that people’s life plans will change. They will be forced to go to private universities where they have to pay exorbitant fees or to other public ones where they cannot hope for the same kinds of opportunities. A zero year means that poor students who would have otherwise escaped their circumstances by getting into law school will now likely be expected to work (at least part time) to start sustaining their family immediately or be expected to get married so families do not see the girls as burdens- stuff they could have avoided if they got that golden ticket because what parent is going to stop their kid from going to nls?

So yes. For many people - a zero year means that the sky will fall down.
Pi 9 Sept 2020, 10:25
+5 -0
any progress on rao pil?
Little birdie 9 Sept 2020, 11:53
+2 -0
SC Registry has conveyed office objections/defects, as is the normal course. Expect listing this week itself, I suppose.
cutie 9 Sept 2020, 10:47
+20 -3
Faizan HEART from Nags
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 11:28
+16 -4
May be the exit is not as per the NLS Act. But the person who is raising the question, the renewal of his term itself is not in accordance with the Act of his institution. The renewal of his term was done secretly, without any search committee - this is a blatant violation of the NALSAR Act.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 12:07
+1 -10
True. But there was 'convention' at both the NLU level and specifically viz. NALSAR for second-term renewals without search committees. It was still a failure of the strict letter of the law, but there was a 'saving' point to fall back on. Therefore, this matter is different.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 14:38
+11 -0
@7.1 There is no convention of getting a renewal one year in advance that too by an outgoing chancellor. The only such example apart from this case is that of Sukhpal Singh of HNLU who got his term renewed one and a half years in advance and was ultimately thrown out.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 16:00
+0 -4
@7.1.1 - I was speaking in relation to extensions without search committee as raised by #7 - https://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021002/ncr1.htm

If I may quote: "[b]Dr Ranbir Singh, Professor of the Department of Law, was selected Director, NALSAR University of Law, Hyderabad[/b], on deputation [b]for a period of three years from October 10, 1998 to October 9, 2001. [i]His term of appointment as Director, NALSAR University, Hyderabad, was extended for three years beyond October 9, 2001, by the president of that university[/i][/b]. Consequently, he applied for a grant of extension for three years. But the EC at its meeting held on October 8, 2001 had resolved that Dr Ranbir Singh should be granted extension in deputation for only one year, that is up to October 9,2002."

The additional requirement of the extension being carried out an year in advance wasn't raised then.
Guest11 9 Sept 2020, 18:13
+6 -1
To 7.1.1.1 it's like defending the demolition of the babri mosque by giving the example of operation blue star.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 06:48
+1 -0
Oh my God! Your utter failure to understand evolution is utterly baffling.

Reappointment of Vice-Chancellor (FM) was done by Chancellor. There is prior convention in this regard. If this is by-passing the statute, then the Chancellor (Chief Justice of that state) is to be blamed. And it is his/her order that needs to be challenged; presumably, in front of him/her.

By-passing statute at the level of the Vice-Chancellor in relation to method of in-take of students is unprecedented. There is no convention here to save Sudhir's act.

But aap to Bhakt hain. Kaise samjhenge.
illegal 10 Sept 2020, 03:43
+7 -4
Prof Ranbir Singh in his entire tenure of 22 years was not recommended by any search committee. He had three terms at NALSAR and three extensions at NLU Delhi. Prof SS Singh at Bhopal too got one extension of 5 years. Prof Menon and Prof Venkat Rao too similarly did get second term at NLSIU and NLIU. Prof Jaswal and Prof SP Singh too got reappointed for second term.The law is clear that VC is eligible for reappointment. If again a search committee is appointed, then it will become fresh appointment not reappointment. The Chief Justice as Chancellor has to make a call whether to constitute search committee or reappoint the incumbent VC.
The question here is not these reappointment but NLAT. It is like blaming Nehru for current mess.
NLSIU Alumnus 10 Sept 2020, 07:50
+1 -7
The comment by 'illegal' is definitely by Prof. Faizan Mustafa. It has his language and he has a long institutional memory when it comes to VC appointments at NLUs. There was nothing wrong in his re-appointment as NALSAR VC.

However, he is now going overboard with his comments on the NLAT controversy. The NLSIU Academic Council had met along with the EC in August and the agenda items included the possibility of a separate admissions process this year owing to the COVID-19 situation. Sudhir and Sarasu are not responding publicky because the matter is sub judice now. Sudhir Krishnaswamy had repeatedly proposed alternatives to the Consortium, but the senior VCs took him lightly. Apart from problems with scheduling, NLSIU is in a difficult financial situation owing to the rampant corruption during the RVR years. The online trolling is so one-sided that people don't want to investigate verifiable facts.

Prof. Mustafa should now stop his public posturing and play the role of an older statesman to broker a practical compromise for this year. Ideally, he should persuade both NLU Delhi and NLSIU to join CLAT.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 08:43
+7 -1
Why did your darling Sudhir not get his dissent recorded in those consortium meetings? Was he flying in the air after having been taken too lightly? Or did he forget that in order to later claim that the decision hadn't been unanimous, dissent needs to be recorded in the minutes? Well, such knowledge of law is expected from a Rhodes Scholar, although not from one who forgets to read his own institutional regulations for taking AC's permission before EC's.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 12:04
+13 -2
I am a nobody - an interested bystander to this entire drama. No personal stakes. But this is my two cents (and it might actually be worth even lesser) on the entire episode.

........................

1. Given that the AC wasn't informed or it's consent sought. And given that the EC did consent but it seems that the quorum was met via those 'below' Sudhir in the hierarchy.

2. I don't think that the SCI can suspend Sudhir, or that they would even give two hoots about the writs filed.

3. However, in an ideal rule of law society, it ought to be the full EC which should 'ask him to go on leave' and seek the Registrar (who herself seems implicated in not standing up)* to table a full 'fact-finding' (of emails to and fro the office of the VC) report in front of the EC. The idea, again in an ideal world, should be to find out who all knew (and when) that they were skirting past administrative safeguards and violating laws and by-laws in the process. Thereafter, the EC may move forward with taking a decision.

4. Anyhow, I don't believe any of this will happen. I, personally, believe that Sudhir will get away in the same fashion as every other VC before him has gotten away with so much at these NLUs.

5. The problem, in my opinion, is that he will have hurt the 'hope' we all had in the alumni - which was an extension of our belief that 'we'll change the system.' You only get one chance at first impressions.

...

* It needs to be noted that the registrar has been 'in the system' much longer than Sudhir. Yet, it seems, she did not attempt to stop him. This shows a certain flaw in character - a failure to stand-up for what is right. Therefore, maybe a committee on unimpeachable outside folks might be needed to get to the bottom of this.
Insider 2 9 Sept 2020, 13:26
+11 -0
Registrar was much longer in the system of NLS Bangalore than her V.C. She was also under a duty to state the rule position to the Vice Chancellor. The VC fixes the target and Registrar charts the roadmap.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 12:05
+5 -33
The negative comments against Prof Sudhir are trash. None of these people are alumni or current students (or maybe pretending to be so). Please get the basic facts in your head:

- CLAT keeps getting postponed and the Bengal govt keeps imposing random lockdowns. Covid cases are also rising. An online test is the best solution.

- JGLS has set a precedent. Yes, they had fewer students but what matters is the ratio of proctors to candidates. If the ratio is constant, then even an exam with 1 million candidates can be held online.

- The access argument is irrelevant now since the requirements have been modified. Also, let us not be deluded. An exam in English will always be elitist. I doubt if Bhojpuri-speaking villagers in Bihar living in mud huts give CLAT, but even if they do they have ZERO chance of making it. Wokeness has now descended into stupidity.

- Faizan Mustafa is no one to teach Prof Sudhir constitutional law. He has no worthwhile publications, just makes YouTube videos and is a graduate of a TLC. Prof Sudhir is a Rhodes scholar.

- Even if I entertain Faizan Mustafa's comments, there is enough flexibility in the regulations (and general principles of law) giving emergency powers to the VC during a global pandemic.

- Regarding Rao, please see Prashant Reddy's tweets.
Nonsense 9 Sept 2020, 12:53
+23 -2
A Rhodes scholar who couldn't read his own statutory obligations before embarking on a power trip that is now blowing up in his face like the cooker in his kitchen threatens to. Meanwhile the Youtuber VC has pointed out irrefutable lapses in decision making that Sudhir has no response to.
Getoveryourself 9 Sept 2020, 14:35
+19 -3
Current nalsar student here (who locked in the preference for nalsar instead of getting bumped up to NLS in list 2, for people who might dismiss this as just someone who didn't get into NLS). Just stating for the record that I'd much rather have Faizan Mustafa than Sudhir. His "just YouTube videos" help spread legal knowledge to the masses, and he engages with his students to a much greater extent. He's been helping the community in Shamirpet during Covid-19, instead of taking away scholarships like NLS. Just because he's not from an NLU, doesn't make him any less competent as a scholar or to run a university.
Nalsar alum 9 Sept 2020, 16:47
+3 -8
Yes given the rigor with which education is currently happening in nalsar- and the quality of students being produced( has nalsar had a Rhodes scholar in the last five years?)-of course you would prefer someone who has no real scholarship to his name over someone who actually writes his own articles for a change. Students priorities are often not the best metric for what is actually valuable in an academic setting.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 17:15
+0 -2
You have two options -

1. Accept that NALSAR does as rigorous a job as it can, and that it isn't too bad in this country; or

2. NALSAR isn't rigorous and that is the only reason why tere jaise graduate hue hain wahan se.

Ab bhai tu dekh le.
Nalsar alum 10 Sept 2020, 08:35
+2 -1
Or I could have taken the project of my own education a lot more seriously and been an exception to the norm? Just a thought?
Getoveryourself 9 Sept 2020, 22:30
+4 -2
One of the 2018 grads gave up a Chevening Scholarship because he got too many scholarships to pick from lol. The 2020 batch had 8 vacation schemes in one year. Nalsar has won the Jessup national rounds two years running, beating nls etc. Please do say how our standards are falling, "nalsar alum"
Nalsar alum 10 Sept 2020, 08:41
+2 -3
And the chevening is so hard to get? That’s where your standards are?

I don’t much care for moots or vacation schemes- they’re all privileged activities which only the few elite students actually engage in- not a decent metric for how the entire batch is being educated.

You know how I know stares are falling? When was the last time nalsar produced an anup? Or a chinmayi? Or even a Swethaa ? Where are serious scholars in any batch? How many people in your batch can even read a 30 page article without having a complete breakdown and acting as if they have been victimised? Ask any nalsar teacher( I have many friends within the faculty) or even ask anyone in law firms ( again - many friends at the SA level) they will tell you the quality has slipped. Nalsar students now are mostly faff and self righteousness. There is a reason that there has been so much attrition with faculty leaving nalsar since faizan started- academic standards slip every semester, and students don’t mind. The writing is on the wall. But you keep talking about those ten people who managed to make something out of themselves/ scam their way up.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 09:34
+1 -0
Even NLSIU hasn't produced an Anup in the last decade. [...] but the same point applies to NLSIU regarding her too. Regarding the student quality having fallen down, that's a problem of all Indian law schools actually, including NLSIU. None of which is of any relevance to the topic under discussion. One need not lack empathy, foresight or common sense to restore or ensure academic quality in an institution. Whether it be NLSIU or NALSAR or anywhere else.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 09:58
+3 -0
Wow, Kian. Hundreds of commentators here are regularly dissing individual people including faculty members here every day naming them, and you censor a comment saying person X does not seem to have had any substantial achivement yet to be considered a top scholar. If only you used this ame courtesy to every other faculty across law schools.
Nalsar alum 10 Sept 2020, 10:20
+0 -1
Am I arguing that nls students haven’t seen a similar decline? I think they have. I think that’s why you need a Sudhir type person - a serious academic- in charge.

My only argument is that when student quality has been so low- it’s not appropriate to rely on who the students prefer as VC to judge whether or not a VC is good at their job.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 10:44
+0 -1
But Sudhir was the student's preference!

And, what do you mean by 'serious academic'? Just want to understand why you seem to include Sudhir in it, and maybe exclude FM (sorry, not sure about the second part)?

Is it, what you mean by 'serious academic' is a 'hard taskmaster' - [i]not that there's anything wrong with that[/i] (Seinfeld reference).

I am all for 'hard taskmaster' - which I believe Sudhir is and FM isn't (though I don't see him as a 'populist' either like Venkata Rao). But, I want him to be called that and not a 'serious academic' - I do not believe his publishing record warrants that acclaim.
Nalsar alum 10 Sept 2020, 12:48
+3 -1
First- Sudhir was an alum preference. You get perspective after law school - once you enter the profession you learn how little you have been taught and how much more could have been done.

Second - look at the grounds that even the students who wanted Sudhir based their preference on- they wanted better quality education- someone to bring back some rigor to law school.

Look at why students prefer faizan - cause he listens to them - which is essentially code for he lets them get away with pretty much anything.

A serious academic is someone who holds their own work and that of their colleagues and students to high standards. Nalsar does not even have a functioning academic review committee ( which Sudhir brought back in nls). I attended one of faizans courses as a student - he barely even took any classes- it was a complete sham. He allows his faculty to get away with scan courses. He pacified his students with sops not all legitimate demands.

If you have been following social media lately- Dalit students who asked for adjustments to the academic plan- because faizan wanted them to take weekly tests- were ignored and shut out of the conversation. How is that being a good administrator?
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 13:39
+2 -0
You can't have it both ways. If Faizan refusing to get students involved in decision making makes him a bad admin, then Sudhir is certainly one of the worst. As for alum choice, you mean to say certain alum who are more vocal wanted him. Even then, some are admitting already that he's been making bad decisions. They couldn't predicted the future. Educated people who've gone through a process ought to understand and empathise with others going through the same. Clearly Sudhir doesn't.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 14:12
+0 -1
I absolutely agree with you - about FM & Sudhir, about NALSAR's academic health.

The only point of difference I suppose is our definition of an 'academic'.* I feel it is what one 'produces' at a personal level should be considered, you seem to stress on 'production at the institutional' level.

If I were to guess, you are from the 2013, 2014 or 2016 batch. Did i get that right? Maybe even 2009 or 2010 (but I doubt a lot of them post here).

* We can have different definitions.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 10:51
+5 -0
We are not. We are relying on information about all that he's been doing. People don't need stellar academics as VCs. They need good administrators. Sudhir is a big fail when it comes to that. Which university has he worked for earlier the products of which have become world class owing to him? None at all.
Nalsar alum 10 Sept 2020, 12:50
+0 -2
Universities are not bus stations. You do need someone with a good grasp on pedagogy, his course delivery should happen, standards that students and faculty must be held to to make a good VC. Faizan arguing that just because a zero year can be mathematically avoided that nls’ concerns aren’t valid shows you how much pedagogy he understands.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 13:36
+5 -0
Pedagogy has never been meant to be a cloak for rigidity. Sudhir before insisting that his way is the only way should have looked into how countless universities all across the world have been dealing with similar problem and accordingly have modified their courses and pattern. Faizan used mathematics because that is exactly what Sudhir cited as an excuse. Do remember that the gap between the two exams is still 16 days. What pedagogical marvel would be achieved in that extra time only Sudhir knows and his clique. I'm not arguing that Faizan is the ideal law school VC, just that Sudhir isn't one and certainly not any better than Faizan, regardless of his 'scholarship'. Ivory tower academia isn't the ideal place to be from where one can or ought to make institutional policies.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 14:14
+0 -0
I never held him up as a person to be looked at to understand good pedagogical practices. I believe my response to your previous comment will show that we agree on more than it might have been apparent till now.
Getoveryourself 9 Sept 2020, 22:37
+7 -5
Faizan Mustafa has also been cited in numerous Supreme Court judgements, Sudhir mostly has EPW publications. A current fourth year student at nalsar also has an EPW publication. A 2019 graduate of nalsar had an EPW publication that was cited in the Aadhar judgment. Sudhir isn't an untouchable god when it comes to academic excellence. Moreover, student priorities are that your VC can handle being in charge of an educational institution and listen to student concerns, irrespective of his background or publications. All the NLS students I've interned with are currently regretting their protest massively lol.
Academic 10 Sept 2020, 08:25
+4 -2
I mean. One could argue that Sudhir has had one book by OUP out and another edited volume by CUP. He has had book chapters in several books. He does publish in Indian journals but I don’t think that necessarily speaks to the quality of his work. It’s harder to publish in international journals when your work does not have a comparative/ international aspect to it. Epw is nothing to look down upon. Even if students do occasionally manage to get a publication in it. He has led several research projects as part of CLPR that are published by the ngo itself but anyone who has read them can vouch for quality. He writes op-Ed’s in several leading national publications and even in the New York Times once.
You can see that he is well respected in the academic community by the fact that he was asked to be BR Ambedkar chair at Columbia law school. And by the fact that leading academics on the oversight board sought him out to work with rather than these other so called “experts”.

How much of this does faizan have? Why not measure apples to apples? Is the Supreme Court citing someone really that rare? I have 5 friends who have been cited in various judgments- mostly for work they did as students. In any case wouldn’t Sudhirs consultancy work with the Kasturi Rangan committee and in many of clprs projects show the same kind of utility?

Here’s another metric- go ahead and track how many people acknowledge Sudhir as having mentored and helped them in their journal articles/ book introductions- do the same for faizan- you will see a marked difference.

In any case sheer number of publications does not mean anything unless you can vouch for quality. And Sudhir unlike other senior tlc experts actually writes all of his own articles rather than having students and RAs write them for him.

If you look at faizans portfolio- really look- the tone and language used in each article is different - that itself- and grapevine gossip indicates that his juniors do most of the heavy lifting in these pieces and need his name to get it published.

You can spin it however you want. But no one is going to buy that faizan is even in the same ball park as Sudhir.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 09:29
+5 -0
True. As a VC, Faizan is much better.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 07:09
+3 -0
"An exam in English will always be elitist. I doubt if Bhojpuri-speaking villagers in Bihar living in mud huts give CLAT, but even if they do they have ZERO chance of making it."

Also - given the course is conducted in English, offering the entrance exam in any other language makes little sense. Unless one of the law schools (CNLU) starts offering courses in Bhojpuri, those poor villagers will be stuck with having to learn English.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 07:29
+2 -2
Why drag CNLU in this? You people have Bihari bias. #justice4ssr
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 12:12
+4 -22
I stand with Sudhir. As the saying goes, when an elephant walks the dogs bark. Anyway, I would rather visits a genuine news website like Bar & Bench, which doesn't post fake news like LI and LiveLaw.
Bahubali 9 Sept 2020, 14:20
+3 -1
LI has stood up for the small guy - the hapless aspirant. I am glad that they are speaking reason to authority, and doing what the press is ideally supposed to do. Hope you get back to your senses soon, and distinguished fake from real.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 12:38
+3 -12
Prashant Reddy is supporting Sudhir all the way and saying that NLSIU should keep out of CLAT forever. This is probably the majority sentiment among student and alumni. The eventual goal is to apply for INI status and get KSLU in CLAT instead (Ishwar Bhat is anyway lobbying for that).

https://twitter.com/Preddy85
Proof of facts? 9 Sept 2020, 14:04
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Show screenshot? I just went through all of his tweets on clat and nlat and he never says that?
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 15:25
+2 -0
11 is a troll. Don't feed it.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 17:44
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Quoting Prashant Reddy:

[quote]The next year CLAT will get bumped to another law school which may go back to the old format. NLS should not get back until the Consortium can guarantee some basic standards no matter which law school is handling it.[/quote]

[quote]I wouldn’t be so hasty in accusing Sudhir of being shady.
[/quote]

[quote]If people were really so worried about exclusion they would have asked for CLAT to be conducted in languages other than English and formats that did not cater to only the urban students. So please forgive me if I don’t buy the virtue signalling over NLAT being exclusionary.
[/quote]

https://twitter.com/Preddy85/status/1303377208023580673

https://twitter.com/Preddy85/status/1303637961536282624
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 14:46
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Kian, when were you going to report on this? http://livelaw.in/top-stories/future-of-thousands-of-students-at-stake-as-they-have-to-appear-in-two-tests-instead-of-one-nlu-consortium-files-affidavit-in-sc-against-nlat-for-nlsiu-162664

Also more shots fired http://livelaw.in/columns/nlsius-home-proctored-nlat-how-far-equitable-transparent-secure-162634
Satya Mewa 9 Sept 2020, 16:09
+5 -2
R Venkata Rao Garu - did you take the Academic Council's approval before you signed up to become a part of the consortium? To ensure that you do not end up as an "island of exclusion", will you disclose what 'consideration' passed between you and the consortium that you signed up to become a member (and continue to carry their brief)?

[...]
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 16:51
+4 -0
Two responses for you:

1. Gadhe, SCI judgment ne kaha tha.

2. And, do you have any reasonable cause to believe that required clearances weren't taken?
Scoop 9 Sept 2020, 17:35
+0 -3
News heard from a senior professor: In March 2020, 5 new IIIT (triple IT) colleges were designated by the MHRD as Institutions of National Importance, taking the total INIs to 95. Next month, the list of INIs will to be increased to 100. NLSIU is one of the 5 colleges proposed to be added.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 17:58
+3 -11
Students from other NLUs are posting rubbish here. No one has ever given up Law School for another NLU except for health reasons or parents illness. Regarding scholarships like Rhodes, Fulbright etc, if you add the number of scholarships obtained by other NLU students and combine them, even the combined total won't be even half the number obtained by Law School. Same result applies to UPSC, IIM CAT etc. Most importantly, let us not forget number of Senior Advocates, Judges, Magic Circle partners and Professor ranks in top foreign universities. What is the number obtained by other NLUs on this parameter? Zero I believe.
Guest 9 Sept 2020, 18:29
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And despite all that brilliance you guys picked the one alumni who can't read the founding statute to be VC!
Hahaha 10 Sept 2020, 06:06
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If you look at previous clat lists, you'd see multiple people choosing Nalsar, nujs, nlud, and even nluj instead of NLS, none of them only for health reasons etc. They know that there's literally no difference between graduating from nls versus any of the other top NLUs. If you compare list 1 and list 2, you'd see a lot of people preferring to lock in their choices as well. Please do that before commenting rubbish and generalising all students.

Also, bragging about nls having people at higher positions is rich, when you account for the fact that they went 12 years without a competitor in the field. Talk about NLS students now and whether they're still dominating, why don't you?
Insider 2 9 Sept 2020, 18:35
+0 -1
A media trial is going on at various law news portals or sites and it looks like Rhea Chakraborty v. Kangana Ranaut between Sudhir and Faizan. By the way, who is Rhea out of them? Who is thinking about the plight of the CLAT candidates?
Pi 9 Sept 2020, 20:30
+0 -0
we need the haiku guy to write something, missing him/her
Punmaster G9 10 Sept 2020, 05:19
+13 -0
How about some rap instead?

The VC who thought he's a class apart/
Was prone to treat students as if they're dirt/
He turned backstabbing into work of art/
In the charade his Regi too played her part/
But he failed to read the in-house law/
His predecessor found that to be the last straw/
But his bhakts been tryin' to get the latter snubbed/
Either that or TLC they'd get him dubbed/
The fiasco meanwhile been reducin' the pool/
The only loser in the end being Law School!
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 06:41
+2 -0
You sir have a future at this. Maybe Kian can give you a dedicated weekly column to throw out some lyrics on an issue of your choosing.
Pi 10 Sept 2020, 16:31
+1 -0
Thank you Punmaster G9
Guest 5 Apr 2023, 16:49
+0 -0
This aged quite well. Where art thou now, O Punmaster G9?
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 04:49
+2 -0
Kian, the NLAT applications should end by EOD today. Is there any chance you might be able to get some confirmation from your Law School sources about the ballpark figure? Out of the original 70000 plus group of CLAT applicants, if anything less than 50-55000 have applied for NLAT, then that is surely a strong indicator of how the exam would harm NLSIU's usual practice of getting the best lot of the largest pile possible every year.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 05:57
+2 -0
VERY URGENT: A hacker is advertising tips to cheat NLAT, as well as a device available at Amazon for Rs 1200. We must inform the lawyer for Venkata Rao to show this tweet to the SC. Can someone please share the email id of the lawyer.

https://twitter.com/kingslyj/status/1303917506659262464
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 07:32
+1 -0
High time we had an objective comparison of student and alumni achievements of NLSIU with other NLUs in the last 10 years, instead of looking at old batches.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 09:46
+1 -4
The TLC mafia and coaching centre mafia have taken over the LI comments section and are attacking Sudhir using dirty tricks. They are pretending to be NLSIU students, NLSIU faculty, underprivileged law aspirants, parents of law aspirants and what not.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 10:09
+2 -0
Yeah, man. Everyone is pretending to be someone else here, you are the only one who's admitting to be what you are really, Sudhir's chamcha.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 10:47
+0 -0
Theek hai, maan liya. Sab role play kar rahe hain. But what's the harm if it expands the discourse into directions that us 'actors' believe it would if those people were really speaking?

The Case of the Speluncean Explorers padha hai kabhi? Lon Fuller bhi bahut role play kiya hai udhar. Kya problem hai usme?
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 14:24
+2 -4
Quite a few commentators were quick to blame WB govt decision to impose lock down on Sep 7 for the CLAxit. I am not a party apparatchik and would actually prefer NOTA for the parties set to contest in WB 2021. But that's a separate story.

I always found this "excuse" of blaming WB Govt dodgy. Sure there is no clear rationale for the spattering of lock downs that have been imposed by the WB govt. But lock downs on Sep 7, 11 and 12 were decided in late August. After the GoI came out with new Unlock guidelines, the WB govt held consultations with GoI and re-confirmed the lock down dates in early Sep.

The foregoing shows that between Aug 27 (when NUJS VC supposedly informed the CLAT Consortium) and early Sep, the NUJS VC had opportunity to get in touch with WB Govt or even include the CLAT Consortium leadership (Messiah included) in the discussion.

If Messiah is being queried by FM, can he or CLAT Consortium answer the following:

1. Did NUJS VC and/or CLAT Consortium show that they exchanged formal communications with the WB Govt and those were declined, summarily dismissed or ignored?

2. If the NUJS VC and/or CLAT Consortium is in possession of such records, kindly produce them

3. It is very likely that the WB govt never received any communication from the NUJS VC and/or CLAT consortium. Actually, did any of the Angry VCs even suggest having a formal discussion with WB Govt so that Sep 7 lock down is rescinded or diluted? Will NUJS VC and/or CLAT Consortium apologize for their lazy approach?

Messiah's actions and omissions are clearly out of line. But I refuse to believe that WB govt would have remained unreasonable had NUJS VC and/or CLAT reached out. Now, we will never know because NUJS VC did not even bother.

Imagine NUJS by the end of his tenure.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/neet-2020-bengal-government-cancels-lockdown-on-september-12/story-JBG2eWDVHb7A6Nm4pcMkpN.html
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 15:48
+0 -0
All well said. But when you ire against the CLAT consortium and lazy VCs, please do note that Sudhir is implicated in that.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 21:51
+1 -0
I am not defending Sudhir and NLAT. I am saying since Sep 7 received such prominence, we need to rewind a bit to see whether all was done to workaround it. And CLAT Consortium failed to take certain steps. That does not take away the fact that Sudhir kept mum on NLS EC resolutions as FM pointed out. Anyway now the fight has moved to the SC.

I find it interesting that BCI has maintained a studied silence. It was one of the original signatories in the initial CLAT MoU and almost always drones on how legal education is its fief and made so much better through the years, especially through another supposed "fief" NLSIU.

While NLS is bringing out the big guns, why is CLAT/RVR playing junior league?
Onlooker 10 Sept 2020, 16:25
+0 -0
It was not the duty of VC of NUJS to contact WB government. Rather, the CLAT is authorized to do the cross checking.
Guest 10 Sept 2020, 21:56
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Sure. NUJS VC did not even have the responsibility to inform CLAR about Sep 7 lock down announcement by WB Govt. The Angry VCs could have gathered it from the media in due course of time.

But as FM mentions, NUJS VC informed CLAT. So, it is not a stretch to expect that he should have also suggested a conversation with the state govt. More so when he has excellent "contacts" who got him the job in the first place.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 03:06
+3 -0
A little birdie with inside knowledge told me that apparently the WB government had indeed been requested to reconsider the lockdown on Sept 7. However, back then the government was still feeling gung ho about their chances to get JEE and NEET postponed by SC order, and hence they stuck to their position of not allowing any exam in September. Since then, matters have changed with the SC refusing to stay the exam. That's why the government has now relaxed the lockdown on 12th, with aspirants filing suits and winning to make the government provide transport and acco for NEET exam. An NUJS alum won that order from Cal HC apparently. So the government was afraid that floodgates might open after that order. This is yet another example of how law and matters related to it are still miles behind in terms of political priority compared to other streams.