No semester breaks & extra classes: How NLUs are making up for 1st years’ lost time after late CLAT

Hard work ahead for first years
Hard work ahead for first years

Albeit with significant delays, national law universities (NLUs) have started their first batches of the five-year LLB programmes with many hoping to catch up on the lost time due to the delayed Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) admissions by working through the first semester holidays.

We have contacted a number of NLUs about their start dates and how their plans to get their first years back on schedule, despite many of the NLUs’ senior batches having nearly finished their first terms on ‘normal’ online-teaching schedules.

First out of the gates were Nalsar Hyderabad, NLU Jodhpur and GNLU Gandhinagar, which all began with classes for the first years only several days after the CLAT results were announced in mid-October.

Nalsar and NLU Jodhpur both began online classes on 19 October.

NLU Jodhpur vice-chancellor (VC) Prof Poonam Saxena explained: “The first semester would be over for them in February and the second by middle June. From next year onwards the classes for all will commence from July 1st.”

The same is the case at GNLU, where director Prof Sanjeevi Shanthakumar said that there would be no mid-term break though there was a short break over Diwali. “We have made a separate calendar for the first years. Hence the first semester classes will continue until mid-February 2021,” he said. “After the semester we will give two weeks break before we commence the second semester.”

Nalsar academic dean and soon-to-be professor emerita Prof Amita Dhanda, said that flexibility had been the most important factor in changing the academic calendar.

“We’ve seen flexibility as the operative principle as the operative thing,” she said. “People [students] who joined in October, if we were to drag it on until after January or later, the entire year would get dislocated.”

The alternative, of getting “everyone to tighten their belt” and getting the work done by using weekends to teach and adjusting the schedules, was the better approach, she added.

Nalsar also has the advantage of already having a system of continuous assessments, rather than a massive final exam.

Nalsar’s plan will be to get the first years back on the normal schedule with the other batches by 11 January. While senior batches will get semester breaks in November and December, the first years will be catching up with only around 10 days off after 31 December 2020. In practice, some of that additional work load will fall on teachers, though only some were teaching both first years and more senior batches, said Dhanda.

A similar strategy of doing away with semester breaks has been followed by NUJS Kolkata and NLIU Bhopal.

At NUJS, classes began around 2 November, following an orientation around 19 and 20 October.

NLIU had its commencement day lecture on 28 October, with full classes starting on 29 October and continuing on a tight schedule thereafter to bring them back on track: from 2 November for 23 days, another 26 days in December, 25 days in January and 6 days in February.

NLSIU Bengaluru is somewhat different, in having a trimester system unlike the others, and has taken a different approach, as classes for NLS first years started on 27 October, ending on 31 October, with proper classes beginning on 2 November.

“We skipped the first semester, but added one extra subject in each term,” NLS registrar Prof Sarasu Thomas explained. “They’ll be caught up by next year, with reduced work limits on projects and for every subject they have two teachers.”

This effectively puts the first years on exactly the same schedule as the more senior batches, albeit with a higher workload for the first year.

A new student welfare officer had also been appointed to to work closely with the first year (and other) students, to assist them with any issues the new schedule could cause.

Photo by Nick Youngson via Alpha Stock Images.

Comments

Jhumpa 18 Nov 2020, 18:01
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The UGC academic Calendar is more realistic. For the first year students, its session is over by 31 August 2021 while winter and summer vacations get abolished. When students enter second year, they would finish the session by April 2022 end. All other law faculties across the country are following this.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:17
+1 -0
That doesn't consider internship breaks. NLU students need that just as much as classroom teaching.
NLS 18 Nov 2020, 19:00
+43 -3
But what happened to academic rigour and zero year that the newly minted VC, NLS said will happen if he doesn't get to start in September?!

Apparently couldn't wait 2 weeks then for CLAT but now waited 2 weeks even after NALSAR started it's classes. Shameful how he got away with so much lying.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:20
+5 -0
He already said about that, no? He doesn't have a plan. One of the rare instances when he's spoken the truth since assuming office.
Well 19 Nov 2020, 07:42
+19 -0
The whole (legal) world said he is creating drama for no reason, lost time can easily be adjusted through additional course per term till caught up, or eat into an internship break. But no, Messiah had to prove himself to be a clown so publicly.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 16:12
+6 -1
Ask Gotham what happens when clowns start taking themselves too seriously.
Amen 19 Nov 2020, 10:26
+7 -0
"I don't have a plan" is something he needs to put up as a poster outside his door because that seems to be the general theme of all recent decisions coming from in there.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 12:04
+1 -1
Hi guys!

It seems sudhir and sarsu have permitted few students inside the campus while refused the permission to others.

the boys are in himalaya hostel and girls in their hostel.

find it a bit unfair coz a lot of us have made an application but were refused.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 13:01
+3 -0
You haven't brown-nosed enough, Rhodie style.
Onlooker 18 Nov 2020, 19:01
+6 -5
These first year students are suffering since March 2020 when Covid-19 struck India and colleges were closed. These young people underwent a lot of mental agony. Still, they are not normal. Heavens are not going to fall if they are allowed fifty percent time of their vacation to relax. Five year is a long period to cover the time lost. What would happen if Bar Council disallows the squeezing of studies in shortened semesters.? The BCI is the regulatory legal education body. The powers of the NLUs cannot override the statutory powers of the BCI in matters of legal education.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:21
+2 -1
Teaching part of any semester rarely exceed 4 months in most NLUs even under normal circumstances. The actual time is being made up by shortening exam periods and sem breaks. That too for one year. First years aren't snowflakes, they can handle this.
OutlookBadlo 19 Nov 2020, 10:28
+4 -1
This is a weird take because first years are not being "squeezed" they're just giving up internship time. Are you suggesting that first year subjects be spread across 5 years instead of using break time to cover lost ground? Doesn't sound realistic.
Rml 18 Nov 2020, 20:02
+26 -1
You may change the title of this article to " .....: How 'Top 6' NLUs are making up for the loss...."
Haha 19 Nov 2020, 05:29
+7 -3
How 'Top 6 (Perceived)' NLUs
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 06:31
+1 -32
Top 6 NLUs? Really? What about NLIU? Also, JGLS now has top 5 status.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:05
+46 -2
That's a status that JGLS has given itself. That doesn't count.
Okay 19 Nov 2020, 10:29
+10 -2
TIL that JGLS is a Top NLU. Thanks dost.
Ok 20 Nov 2020, 01:18
+10 -0
Ya, like IIPM said - Dare to think beyond IIMs. LOL
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 04:23
+13 -28
I request Legally India to highlight some revolutionary changes being done at Law School by Professor Sudhir Krishnaswamy. These include:

1. Updated website: best in the country by miles and comparable to foreign universities.
https://www.nls.ac.in

2. Open call to ANYONE ANYWHERE to offer electives (subject to review by the board). No law school in India, or perhaps anywhere in the world has taken such a progressive measure. On the contrary, VCs in other colleges try to keep alumni out. The call is displayed on the front page of the website.

3. PhD scholarship named after founding VC Professor Madhava Menon.

https://www.nls.ac.in/news-events/introducing-the-dr-n-r-madhava-menon-doctoral-scholarship-for-phd-students/

4. Internal strategy to improve QS ranking to become top 3 in Asia by 2025.

5. Discussions going on for partnership with top foreign universities.

6. Implied declaration by the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court that NLSIU is a special institution not comparable with other law schools. This was explicitly argued by the Learned Counsel for the Bar Council of India, who is the Additional Solicitor General of India, and impliedly accepted by the Hon'ble Court.

7. High-level discussions are happening regarding declaration of Law School as an Institution of National Importance like IIT and IIM. Concurrently, a meeting has happened with the Chief Minister of Goa regarding the establishment of the first-ever International Law University (ILU) in India, which will be totally different than NLUs. There is discussion on whether the campus can be a de facto second campus of NLSIU.

These are just some of the changed being done by Professor Sudhir, with full support of the students. NLSIU is really going to go the next level with this.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 06:29
+6 -21
It is very unfortunate that students jealous of NLSIU are downvoting comment 5. Please be fair and ask yourself honestly if your college has achieved the above. Please try to improve your college and make your VC accountable, instead of hating on a college that has a dynamic VC and is doing more Sudhir has also hired star faculty.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:15
+15 -1
Most of what is mentioned in comment 5 cannot be proven. It is also a shameless attempt to give credit to Sudhir that is not due to him, such as the HC decision that is the product of alumni effort. Sudhir's personal contribution before the court has been to lose the two cases before the SC for NLAT fiasco and the Karnataka HC for the improvement exam.
'Call for credit courses' - Most NLUs like NALSAR and NUJS already have that in operation and even NLSIU did. Just posting it on website isn't really any achievement.
Comparison of website: Lol, that's supposed to be considered an achievement now? And world class website? What does it do, allow people to the degree without going to the university?

The PhD scholarship is the only proper achievement mentioned here. That and the latest recruitment, although not all the people recruited are of the 'star quality' that they are being peddled to have.

The other things mentioned are without any evidence whatsoever.

Of course, the commentator carefully avoided all the bad decisions that Sudhir made in the last one year. Dragging the NLSIU name through mud by foolhardy decisions to conduct impractical exams, scamming students for convo fees, forcing people to take online exams without adequate infra, playing big brother by monitoring internet usage, closing off grounds, making the VC's office inaccessible to students and so on. The bhakts never get to see bad things, only the glitter.
Well 19 Nov 2020, 07:43
+0 -0
On the limited point about the website, when NALSAR upgraded its website a few years ago, it was being touted as revolutionary, and a sign of how Law School was falling behind. Lol.
Hmm 19 Nov 2020, 10:26
+2 -1
Also NALSAR has had a funded PhD programme for quite sometime. Just without all the booyah which seems to be the only focus of the NLS star boy.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:16
+14 -0
Nobody is hating NLSIU. Even NLSIU students don't like their own VC's antics. Plenty of them have called him out here earlier.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 07:19
+3 -2
4, 5, 6 and 7 are either lacking any evidence or not Sudhir's achievement. Credit courses can be offered by outsiders at many NLUs these days. What's 'revolutionary' about it?
Ajj 19 Nov 2020, 08:17
+0 -11
The quality of these courses offered at nls are way better than every other college, arguably even Jindal. The small batch size allows the a large number of students to develop a rapport with the faculty, which is a bit more difficult at a place like Jindal.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:23
+9 -1
That's entirely based on your imagination, since you've not attended the credit courses conducted elsewhere. Shouting that you are the best doesn't make you so. Leave that to private colleges like Jindal. Ever since Sudhir has assumed office, his bhakts have taken a piece out of the book of Jindal trolls and started engaging in unsubstantiated and undignified PR that NLSIU doesn't really need.
Idiocy 19 Nov 2020, 10:37
+8 -2
Who the hell comes up with this absolute balderdash?!

1. No it is not the best by half a foot. GNLU has a better website as does RGNUL.

2. Putting it up on the website isn't proof of anything - give statistics for the number of such electives made live.

3. How is this a revolutionary change?

4. How is this a change? Are we counting internal meetings as revolutionary changes now?

5. Again, how is this revolutionary, a change, or a revolutionary change? You think NLS foreign uni collabs were invented by Sudhir?

6. Explicitly argued by ASG, Implicitly accepted by HC, ______ by Sudhir??? How are you attributing decades of legacy to a man whose first major decision as VC was shredded apart in court?! For your own sake I hope you're not a lawyer.

7. Please refer to 3, 4, 5 and a dictionary in that order please .


P.S. "Full support of students" okay sure lol, please join one of the batch WhatsApp groups before shooting your mouth off in a public forum and embarrassing yourself like this.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:33
+10 -0
Internal meetings are revolutionary when the VC is already infamous for forgetting the internal regulations of his own university and bypassing statutory bodies. Aap chronology samjhiye!
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 12:27
+2 -10
If you think the GNLU and RGNUL websites are better than the NLSIU website, you are smoking some really good weed.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 13:04
+8 -0
Dude, chill. All that a law university website needs to have is the relevant information in an accessible format. Try to focus on some real achievements in terms of education.
NLSIU Alumnus 19 Nov 2020, 14:41
+2 -1
Comment 5 is unnecessary propaganda. If you are actually a friend or well-wisher of Sudhir and NLSIU, then you have done a great disservice with such a one-sided comment. I say this as someone who supported his appointment last year and still think that he will help in improving the institution in the long-run. He can be given some credit for holding recruitments to permanent teaching positions and attracting external funding for the PhD candidates. Both of these decisions will yield tangible benefits over the next 3-4 years, so it is too early to tout them as achievements. All the other points that you mention are just cosmetic or at the stage of planning. On the other hand, he has made several decisions that have been severely criticised, most notably by current NLS students. The NLAT debacle deserved the harsh criticism which followed it. Plus, there are several internal difficulties which could have been avoided or amicably resolved through careful discussions. I hope Sudhir's supporters (especially newly recruited faculty and staff members) are reading the comments being left on these pages by current students. It is foolhardy to entrust the institution's future with an individual. Institutions prosper when there are checks and balances placed on executive power. Otherwise, we will be judged in posterity for replacing a populist VC with a stubborn one.
pi 19 Nov 2020, 15:59
+3 -3
the website does look quite nice
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 18:41
+9 -1
[img]https://www.nls.ac.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/NLS.jpg[/img]

Look at this image. entire image is morphed and they are using it on the nls website.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 08:27
+1 -6
Have the fools commenting here even bothered to visit the Law School website and see the list of new faculty? Huge number of NLSIU alumni with LLMs and PhDs from top law schools abroad. Not even Jindal has this many NLSIU alumni.
Are yaar 19 Nov 2020, 10:40
+10 -2
Y'all refuse to learn despite having been burnt once sticking an NLS alum who's way out of his depth in an office where his decisions get routinely trashed by a court of law. Putting people on pedestals because they are alum and have foren LLMs is childish nonsense. You need administrative prowess, not citations, to run a law school.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 12:31
+1 -8
Er... he is the ASG of this country but more importantly counsel for the BCI. Read the petition and judgement. It is stated in black and white that the BCI believes Law School is an eminent national institution while other so-called NLUs are merely state law universities. Can you also please explain why the BCI did not challenge reservation at NLUD or NUJS?
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 13:06
+13 -0
Sudhir has become the ASG? Without Kian doing a story about it?
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 17:44
+9 -0
Yes, we should totally believe something because Manan Mishra and his buddies think so. A body established under a state statute is a state university unless the centre gives it any other status like IOE, INI etc. A random obiter doesn't change that.
Alias 20 Nov 2020, 03:26
+5 -0
If you had actually read the judgement in detail, you would realise that the HC struck down the domicile for other reasons as than the simple fact that it’s been purported as some IIT-esque university.

One of these is that the SC/ST seats at NLS have to be reserved for Karnataka students ONLY due a previous HC judgment (Lolaksha case) in that regard. The Court said that would increase the number of Karnataka students to 50%+ if the domicile quota was implemented. Of course, NLS choosing to conveniently hush up and subvert the law (it doesn’t provide any such reservation) hasn’t been brought to judicial notice due to the incompetence of the Karnataka government.

BCI did initiate the process to set up NLS but it has no power to set up a university. And why did BCI interfere only in this case? It could’ve lobbied against the Bill from the beginning but it didn’t. It just executed a power of attorney in favour of that ASG guy who is an NLS alumnus. So it looks like was more of an alumni initiative than a BCI one.

As far as the arguments of other NLUs being equates to regular State Law Universities is concerned, it’s plain and simple misleading. You’d see that if you looked at the differences in the statues of NLUs as against a University like KSLU.

Even NLUD increased their batch size to 120 this year but the number of seats for the General category have remained the same (around 50) since it’s provided seats for EWS and OBC. If the NLS admin believes that social exclusion in a country like ours and attempting to stifle the competitiveness of other NLUs is what sets them apart, then yeah, you trolls can go ahead and brag about it.
Actually 23 Nov 2020, 05:36
+0 -2
Lolaksha is on appeal, so stop misleading people by pretending its final. Further, as someone who actually read the 2020 judgment, there is no doubt that it has held Law School to be something truly national and unique (not just primus inter pares as 2-bit trolls are trying to claim). Its the only "National" Law School, and rightly so. Even the Karnataka Govt has given up now on its folly. In fact, the lame attempt at domicile was a blessing in disguise - the judgment in question has confirmed explicitly what was known by everyone - there is only one Law School. The rest are all "modelled" on the Law School, but do no mistake a model for the original.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:52
+0 -0
Yes, no other university claims themselves to be a school.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:58
+1 -1
Actually, the original judgment never mentioned how exactly is it that NLSIU is unique, other than being the first of its kind. It is still formed under a state legislation and its model, power of governing body etc. is not at all different from several other NLUs. Having a fanboy as a judge doesn't really exempt one from being rational. But I agree with you that the alumni did do a very good job in arranging for this decision and staving off the domicile quota. In fact, I would say that is the truly unique thing about NLSIU now, the power and cohesion of its alumni base compared to any other NLU.
Alias 23 Nov 2020, 06:46
+0 -0
Sorry, but your argument is hogwash. You haven't read the judgement properly. Even though the Lolaksha case is on appeal, there is no stay on the implementation of the reservation for SC/STs only of KA in "state universities" across Karnataka till it is decided. If NLSIU is truly a "national" institution as you trolls claim it is, then why didn't the HC overrule or atleast disregard the application of the Lolaksha judgement (that was only a single-judge bench judgment) to NLSIU? Why does its maintenance grants come only from the KA government then?
The High Court judgement is to that end, full of contradictions and the reasoning is flawed (even though striking down the poorly conceived state quota was a right call, imo).

You seem to grasping at every opportunity to acclaim your uniqueness when it doesn't actually exist in any conceivable legal sense. The argument on the uniqueness was made since the KA reservation bill referred to all other NLUs having domicile to justify its introduction. In any case, just because the KA government is incompetent, that doesn't give that some random NLS alum the right to take a call on the status of other NLUs. There are more similarities than differences in the structure of all these NLUs. The reason why NLUs are "autonomous" law schools (since you don't seem to understand its true meaning) is because their governing councils aren't governed solely by the State (or a majority of State representatives) unlike other State-level universities. They should, therefore, have the right to decide on their reservation policy. Just because the administration is inept and weak to resist advances by the State government doesn't mean that these decisions shouldn't be challenged.

Although I doubt you can digest these real facts since people like yourself just read articles and headlines from LI and B&B which have excerpts of judgements without applying any common sense reasoning or critical legal understanding to such issues. Keep barking.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:26
+5 -1
Is that supposed to be an inherent indicator of quality? Being an NLSIU alumni and a teacher? Because if yes, then none of those people have been taught by such people, only by teachers from traditional law college background, while they were at NLSIU themselves. Therefore surely their education was lacking. As for Jindal, it has got 20 people teaching who are NLSIU grads, all with foreign degrees too. Better not try to bite off more than you can chew.
Yes 23 Nov 2020, 05:30
+2 -1
But do they have a Jessup-winning Rhodes scholar teaching first years Legal Methods?
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:51
+3 -1
Since when is winning Jessup a guarantee of your skill or teaching ability in legal methods? As for Rhodes scholars, we can all see the way one of them has been turning himself into a laughing stock since taking charge of the same institution a year back. All I can see is that a person with less than 2 years of teaching experience is teaching an important subject to the first years. Now, he may turn out to be a great teacher in all fairness, nobody can predict the future. However, it is hardly a matter to merit chest-thumping.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:54
+1 -1
Since that Jessup winner Rhodes scholar has not been taught by anybody with such vaunted qualifications, but still went ahead to achieve both milestones, I would go out on a limb and say that neither is an essential qualification to be a good teacher of law.
FirstYearKiddo 3 Dec 2020, 06:54
+1 -1
I am taking the LM course that Raag is teaching, I feel that he is doing a great job so far, the classes have been super engaging and informative.
Guest 3 Dec 2020, 07:39
+2 -0
As a first semester student of law, your benchmark of comparing any course with the best practices in that course isn't likely to be that strong, but it's still good to know that he's keeping the students happy with the discourse. As someone said above, he might well prove to be a good teacher, but it's still ridiculous when people who have not attended his classes, or not been around for long enough to know about the other well-known LM teachers across the country, start proclaiming his superiority over others solely based on his Rhodes background.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:35
+5 -0
If the revolutionary world best can't even attract us mortals to look at it, how is it the very best? Going by your claims, I thought the website is supposed to hack all our computer and phone systems and automatically take us there every time we are online. Like Jindal ads on LI or Corona warnings when trying to place a call.
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 04:38
+2 -10
If Legally India does not start censoring haters who attack Law School out of jealousy, then I am sorry to say that students and alumni will not support Legally India any more. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Thus, any comment which questions the facts below must be censored.

FACT: Sudhir's CV is the best among all NLU VCs right now.
FACT: Sudhir has hired star faculty recently, NLSIU has the highest number of alumni as faculty.
FACT: The Law School website is the best right now among NLUs
FACT: Law School holds the record for Rhodes scholarships and Magic Circle placements in India.
FACT: McKinsey prefers Law School for recruitment.
FACT: Law School alumni include a QC, a Harvard MBA, an ASG, Senior Advocates and Judges.
FACT: Law School has topped NIRF 3 years in a row and got 100 in perception score.
FACT: The BCI challenged reservations only in Law School, nowhere else. It is clearly stated by the BCI and arguing counsel, Mr Vikramjit Banerjee, that NLSIU is a special national institution and other so-called NLUs are state colleges.
FACT: The vast majority put Law School as #1 in CLAT.
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 07:02
+11 -1
Fact: You have got to relearn the definition of facts.
Fact: 'Supporting' Legally India? What do you do, give Kian a retainer or provide ads?
Fact: NLSIU trolls are starting to sound like Jindal trolls these days. Which is sad.
Are yaar 20 Nov 2020, 07:55
+6 -1
Bro you're not even a paid subscriber lmao, kaunsa support stop karoge? It is exceedingly hilarious that you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel so hard that you come up with nonsense like "best website" as if NLS is a tech company. Among your purported laurels are: Good CV (is he applying for McKinsey?), Recruitment by a consulting company and NLU alumni are senior advocates (it's a law school, you'd expect that I guess). Itna butthurt kahan se laate ho bhai
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 04:49
+0 -7
@Guest 5.6: Don't talk rubbish. It is not morphed. Only colours were retouched and the size was adjusted to reduce it in a single frame. Have you ever been to the campus? It looks just like that. BTW please also see other NLU websites:

NALSAR : Very ugly looking. Lots of pictures of Faizan, just a few small ones of the campus. LOL.
NLUD: Same
NUJS and NLUJ: Pukeworthy sarkari design, NUJS not been updated for many years.
NLIU: Doesn't load properly and it calls the college "Gyan Mandir". LMAO.
GNLU: Only decent one, but design seems copied from JGLS.
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 07:04
+10 -1
What part of the expenses for this self-declared 'bestest world class' website has come from the convo money extorted from the students and the NLAT fees embezzled from the law aspirants?
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 10:20
+6 -0
Oooh, burrrn.
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 12:15
+9 -1
How is Gyan Mandir any worse than a university calling itself a school and taking pride in it?
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 13:03
+5 -1
Sarkari things being pukeworthy, remind me again how you trolls brag about NLSIU grads cracking sarkari naukri exams like they have won the lottery of life?
Well 22 Nov 2020, 09:30
+0 -5
Sarkari naukri is about power, not competence. Are you surprised that everyone, including smart Law Schoolites are chasing after it? The jealousy is obvious, because after all this vacuous NLUD hype, the highest ever rank from an NLU has been Law School this year.
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 11:55
+2 -0
Oh, so you are saying that we all should be jealous of NLSIU students because they end up becoming powerful without competence? Glad you made that clear.

I've always said that an outsider doesn't have to embarrass NLSIU. Every once in a while, an insider ends up doing that job for them so thoroughly. You exemplify that.
Realest Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:42
+0 -3
Nope, neither are mutually exclusive. But the reality is that in our country the former and the latter are not always both cohabiting. The fact that competent Law Schoolites see this reality for what it is, and do what's needed to acquire said power shows a high degree of competence and self-awareness. This world-view comes from the Law School ecosystem, which really pushes people to think critically (of themselves and the world around them). No other NLU can even come close to that environment, sadly.

At the end of the day, "office mein tera baap kaun? Law School, Law School!" continues to hold merit - "office" here being even high offices in public life.
Realest?! 23 Nov 2020, 07:24
+2 -0
LOL. I doubt someone like you has ever been to "office". This lame little phrase by the Hindi-speaking students of NLS might make you feel special while you're in law school but try saying it (or acting like it) even once in an actual workplace and even your own partners alums will trash you for causing such embarrassment, forget the people in government in offices.

Your "competitive ecosystem" is no different from that of any other top law school and you'd know that if you ever visited one of the others or actually knew people from other law schools (trolls like yourself generally don't do either). And did you seriously claim that a lure for power shows a high degree of competence and self-awareness? Grow up, kid.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 08:09
+2 -1
Considering that you don't have any idea of the ecosystem prevailing in other NLUs, your 'criticism' of them doesn't reveal any particular critical acumen on your part. Which in turn goes to show that NLSIU clearly doesn't teach that to all its students, assuming you're an insider. As for your juvenile slogan/saying, that's there only in your head and frat parties. In the professional world, no alumni hold any sway over others. The fact that you think that they do is a product of your delusion.
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 12:41
+1 -0
Getting the highest ranked student in an exam isn't necessarily superior performance institutionally compared to another producing greater number of students doing well in that exam consistently every year.
Alias 20 Nov 2020, 05:54
+1 -0
NLUs proving time and time they are the best of all the TLCs and money making private law schools. Kudos to making the kids put in the effort! Am sure it will pay off in the long term (placements, LLM offers etc)
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 08:42
+2 -1
https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/karnataka-high-directs-nlsiu-special-repeat-exam-student

https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/karnataka-high-court-grants-relief-nlsiu-student-sitting-judges-son-plagiarism
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 08:52
Troll
+5 -0
Here is the first ever article that LI published on NLSIU, 11 years ago. See what Rao says:

"People take pride in the fact that Bangalore law school is the Harvard of the East - we will work continuously to make people say that Harvard is the Bangalore of the West."

www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/bangalore-law-school-takes-on-world-with-good-advice-20090522-022
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 10:21
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I'm fairly certain the above comment was a sarcastic one, but in either case, it is quoting a legit post. Why is it marked trollish?
Guest 21 Nov 2020, 04:00
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I don't know why Kian has become so biased these days. The open call for electives by NLSIU is truly unprecedented. Some really top notch people have been teaching very interesting electives. The students are more than happy to share the full list of electives and guest lecturers. But LI has not done a single report on it. SAD.
Guest 21 Nov 2020, 12:27
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I doubt the website ad is responsible for attracting the top notch people. Those have to be approached by students and/or administration. Which in itself is a separate achievement if successfully done.
Hahaa 21 Nov 2020, 12:39
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The like dislike ratio expose your argument.

And let me expose the fact- the open call for elective is not some grand masterstroke of dictator. It's his sheer tardiness. Earlier, they used to contact people and finalise lecturers well in advance. Now under his ineffective leadership and grand mismanagement, they have not been able to score enough good people to take an elective and hence this last ditch effort.

The call is for intensive seminars - 4 hours a day of teaching for 10 consecutive days. (Another masterstroke). At least last term, we were given enough time to select our elective and read a trimester worth of material.

Now he expects us to read material in less than a week and come prepared for 40 hours of classes. Only a fool will overlook the timing and the sheer undertone of urgency in the notification.

The dictator is worse than Modi and Trump combined. And you dear commentator, the Sambit Patra of the dictator, are worse than that Sudarshan news clown.
Waah 21 Nov 2020, 15:40
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On point. Absolutely correct.
-NLS IV Year
Guest 21 Nov 2020, 18:04
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I have reported comment 12.2 for disrespectful language and hope necessary action will be taken. First of all it is spreading false propaganda and secondly the language against Professor Krishnaswamy is totally offensive and unacceptable.
Guest 21 Nov 2020, 17:56
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Actually, taught programmes in many reputed foreign universities are often as intensive if not more. If you want to strive for that quality, efforts from the admin aren't enough, the students need to up their game too. Just cracking CLAT once and then relying on the institutional rep and alumni base isn't enough. In any case, credit courses are optional. If you think you're not up to handling their workload, then don't opt for those. Industry professionals can't adjust their schedule and time to suit yours. One may downvote my comment if they want, but the fact remains that these days, NLU students whine a lot about their workload which is certainly not any more than what their predecessors have handled. As a result, they are often unprepared for the workload that awaits them during internships and jobs. Unpopular my opinion may be among undergrads, but most people from the industry do believe the same.
NLS V year 21 Nov 2020, 18:02
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I agree that offering shorter elective courses is not worth publicising on this forum. As others have pointed out, other law schools such as NALSAR, NUJS and JGLS have been doing it for several years, so we are just playing catch-up to that extent. We can see that JGLS has been publicising every other activity or course offering on LI, but there is no need for NLSIU (and especially Sudhir's PR people) to copy the same methods. As a public institution, we should hold ourselves to higher standards of conduct instead of resorting to such poor attempts at garnering publicity. If the elective courses prove to be good, those of us who opt for them will gain and that is sufficient.

At the same time, Comment 12.2 (probably written by one of my classmates or immediate juniors) is also a bit too caustic and is misleading to some extent. Despite all of the problems with Sudhir's administrative decisions, both the quality and range of electives offered to 3rd, 4th and 5th year students has definitely improved by leaps and bounds since he joined as V-C. Even during the present trimester (November 2020-January 2021) we do have a good range of electives made available to us. Some have been set up based on suggestions from students while several others have been set up through the administration's initiative. As I understand it, the purpose of the 'Intensive Seminars' planned between December 1-10, 2020 is to get shorter courses out of professionals and academics at other institutions who are otherwise too busy to teach electives spread over an entire term. So this is a genuine attempt at value-addition, just like many other law schools who host shorter elective courses. Obviously, they are going to require more concentrated work on part of students. Accelerated seminar courses have been run in the past several years as well. So this is hardly a ground for lampooning or heaping criticisms on Sudhir. He did deserve criticism for the attempt to hold NLAT in September, but let us not mix up separate issues.
Guesto 21 Nov 2020, 13:43
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Any updates on the NUJS and NLUD domicile quota cases pending before the two respective High Courts?
Guest 21 Nov 2020, 17:59
Troll Contested
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I know about the NUJS case. The petition has been withdrawn and the SJA has decided not to challenge the quota, since there is no student unity unlike NLSIU and NLUD.
Guesto 22 Nov 2020, 02:28
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Are you serious? If it’s true, that would be extremely unfortunate considering that this is an issue that most people can’t really disagree on. They could’ve also set an important precedent if they were able to get it struck down on merits.
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 05:29
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The current SJA is completely useless in addressing any issue of importance. The comment made about student unity, though unfortunate, is true. They are also lacking in strategy and tact. All they can do is to send occasional random mails demanding things that the admin either doesn't bother responding to, or simply sits on. There are also severe trust issues between the GB and SJA.
Nlsiu student 21 Nov 2020, 18:03
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Oh my god. Just tell me this why so hate against Nlsiu? (Though, comment 5 was unnecessary too)
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 03:01
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Maybe if the NLSIU trolls and Sudhir bhakts refrain from strutting and claiming random accolades like a 'global best website', lol!
NLU student 22 Nov 2020, 05:07
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Because NLS has so much of fake sense of superiority.
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 07:27
Troll
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The NUJS domicile case has no merits because the BCI has accepted that NLSIU is the only national law institution and NUJS is merely a state law university like KSLU. This was clearly stated in the petition, including the comparison with KSLU. The BCI's petition is currently inaccessible on Livelaw and Bar & Bench because of a paywall, but if someone can share a copy here it clearly says so. Sharing it is legal because neither Livelaw nor Bar & Bench have any copyright over it.

If there is any doubt about this point, you can ask Kian to call up the arguing counsel Mr Vikramjit Banerjee. He will confirm it.
Guest 22 Nov 2020, 09:19
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So why is a 'national law institution' going begging for funds every day from a small insignificant state government? Why not get it from the central government? And why was it forced by the Supreme Court itself to align itself with lesser 'state law colleges' for its admission test?
Insider 22 Nov 2020, 12:59
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All the NLUs are the creations of the State Legislatures. There is, legally speaking, no difference between NLSIU and NUJS/other NLUs. If the Bar Council of India had sponsored NLSIU, what prevented it from getting a Central legislation for establishment of NLS at Bengaluru? The BCI is no body to decide the character of any law institution as to whether it is national or taluka/tehsil level entity.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 00:57
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Er...hello? The BCI is the regulator for legal education and they don't count? Vikramjeet Banerjee is the ASG for the Govt of India and he doesn't count? The Karnataka HC doesn't count? Also, the Cal HC has refused to stay the quota and the NUJS student body has not challenged the quota, which means they accept the position that it is a state college.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:46
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Actually, BCI doesn't count because it is not the decider for the status of universities in this country, even law universities. It only provides affiliation for undergraduate programmes in law. As for ASG, since when do ASGs have the power to decide the nature of an institution? If Central Government wants NLSIU to be treated differently, it will have to provide it with specific status like IoE or INI.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:31
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BCI under its current head is not even fit to decide what brand of toilet paper to purchase. The fact that people from NLSIU are actually rallying behind a Manan Mishra antic to bolster their inane superiority complex goes to show how far the university has fallen.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 01:03
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The person who can give the proper update on the NUJS quota case is Advocate Rohit Das, if you know his email/mobile number. But it seems the petition is withdrawn because the petitioner students did not make it to any NLU and the SJA/alumni association did not file a petition as intervenor.

However, a window of opportunity may arise in May 2021, when the TMC govt is booted out of power and the current Law Minister and Advocate General are forced to quit the EC. The new BJP government may be requested to grant NUJS the status of an institution of national importance.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 05:46
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New BJP government, lol!
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 06:41
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I'm a first year student at JGLS, I have secured a rank of 416 in CLAT 2020 and got into NLU, Gandhinagar. After talking to a few practicing lawyers and students, I decided to pick JGLS over GNLU. Considering the fact that the JGLS campus is not going to be opened till February due to COVID, I'm wondering if I should give CLAT another shot in 2021. I'm confident of getting into NUJS or NALSAR. Please give me your valuable suggestions and guidance in the comments below regarding what would be in my best interests if I'm interested in pursuing a career in corporate law.
Provider 25 Nov 2020, 17:13
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Better you continue at Jindal.
Guest 25 Nov 2020, 18:07
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Yes, they can always use the extra money.
IndianAspirant 26 Nov 2020, 03:04
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It isn't about money. Quality of education is my concern. Do you think JGLS is better than the top 3 nlus? If yes/no, why?
Asspirant 27 Nov 2020, 04:58
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If you think jiggles competes with top NLUs, you should go there. Just don't regret later.
IndianAspirant 26 Nov 2020, 03:03
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Aren't the top 3 NLUs better though?
Guest 24 Dec 2020, 18:50
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This is going viral. Shame on GNLU students for fostering such a toxic senior-junior culture!

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqBDByCUUAEgoLv.jpg[/img]
Guest 24 Dec 2020, 19:04
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The entire letter, if true, stinks of entitlement. Even legit expectations like official email addresses come off as whiny. Is this the future batch of lawyers who are being groomed in arguably one of the top law schools in the country? Wow!
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 04:57
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In the absence of AC hostels, their pursuit of academics is going to suffer? And these NLU students have the temerity to refer to Jindal students as spoilt brats? I'd rather recruit and work with hard-working non-NLU kids with actual desire to learn and better themselves any day.
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 09:23
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ACs are a necessity and not a luxury in Gujarat, where temperatures reach 45 degrees.
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 09:57
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Is that so? Necessity? What percentage of the Gujarat population have got ACs in their homes, eh? And to what extent the 10-12 batches that have graduated from GNLU without AC hostel rooms must have suffered then, deprived of such necessity and having had their academic pursuits compromised irrevocably! Better have the snowflakes homeschooled then and keep them wrapped in velvet.
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 02:16
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Similar thing had happened at RMLNLU and went viral (seniors sending a letter to junior demanding to be called "Sir"). It seems that RMLNLU and GNLU are very regressive and hostile places for new students. These are conditions that create ragging and sexual harassment, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes place there more than in other colleges. I feel it is a combination of administrative apathy and corruption, insensitive student bodies, lack of extra curriculars and poor campus life, insecurity about jobs because of being mid-tier NLUs, and the conservative and patriarchal culture of those states

Anyway, students and parents are advised to skip GNLU and RMLNLU for the time being. Go for NUALS/NLUO/MNLU etc, even if the ranking may be lower.
Nalloo 25 Dec 2020, 07:26
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Even NLIU has this perverse culture of being required to address your seniors as Sir / Ma'am, and the insistence of some, in the regard, is just disgusting.

There are a few who actively tell you to address them by just their name but they're the exception and not the rule, and also might have had to address their seniors in such a weird manner even if they don't subject their juniors to it.
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 10:01
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At places like NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUD etc., no senior would be able to maintain a straight face for even the 5 seconds that it may take to tell a junior something ridiculous like that. Even some of faculty from these places don't like to stand on such formality based on my personal experience. Goes to show the difference. Respect cannot be forcibly demanded, you earn it by being good, responsible seniors and mentors to your juniors.
Guest 25 Dec 2020, 09:26
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LI should do a story on which NLU has the best and worst welcome for freshers.
NLSIU Alumnus 26 Dec 2020, 20:38
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Kian seems to have missed this development, so I am posting it here. NLSIU Bangalore has advertised for another round of faculty recruitments. This time they have mentioned the following vacancies:
-Professor of Law (1 permanent post + 1 post for Ford Foundation Chair)
-Associate Professor of Law (1 post for HAL PSU Chair)
-Assistant Professor of Law (4 permanent posts + 2 contractual posts)
-Assistant Professor of History (2 year contract)
They have also advertised administrative positions such as that of the Registrar and Finance Officer. Here is the link to read the details and apply online:
https://www.nls.ac.in/news-events/call-for-applications-faculty-staff-recruitment/

The deadline for applications is January 24, 2021 and the interviews will be conducted soon thereafter. The following persons were appointed through the previous round of recruitments held in February 2020:-
1) Dr. Mrinal Satish - Professor of Law
2) Dr. Aparna Chandra - Associate Professor of Law
3) Dr. Sushmita Pati - Assistant Professor of Political Science
4) Ms. Rashmi Venkatesan - Assistant Professor of Law
5) Mr. Kunal Ambasta - Assistant Professor of Law
6) Ms. Shreya Shree - Assistant Professor of Law
7) Mr. Raag Yadava - Assistant Professor of Law (Contractual)
8) Ms. Sanyukta Chowdhury- Assistant Professor of Law (Contractual)
9) Dr. Atreyee Majumdar- Assistant Professor of Sociology (position offered, candidate is yet to join service)

Hopefully the fresh round of recruitments will attract some more competent teachers to NLSIU.