Nuals Kochi’s national maiden batch: 24 non-lit, 7 foreign LLM, 4 senior lit

Nuals: An artist's impression, yesterday
Nuals: An artist's impression, yesterday

The Committee for Campus Recruitment (CCR) of Nuals Kochi’s first graduating batch after it was recognised as a national law university has found desk jobs for almost half its students.

Vishnu Sivanandan, member of the outgoing 2011-batch CCR, confirmed that 28 students have been given offer letters by various law-firm, corporate houses and advocates.

Sivanandan added that 47 students had participated in the recruitment process out of a total batch of 58 students.

Around 41 per cent of the batch were placed with law-firms and corporate houses either through pre-placement offers (PPOs), according to Sivanandan. The top law firm recruiters were Lakshmi Kumaran and Sridharan with four offers and Desai & Diwanji with three. ICICI Bank and Vedanta both recruited three.

Four students would be working with senior advocates of the Kerala high court, after having been offered PPOs by senior advocates. A few others would also be working in the chambers of senior advocates and pursue litigation as a career.

Sivandan noted that a large number of students will pursue LLMs from law schools in India and abroad.

Five students will be studying master’s degrees from the National University of Singapore (NUS), while one student each will be doing LLMs from Duisenberg School of Finance in Amsterdam and Queen Mary University of London.

A number of other students who had appeared for the post-graduate CLAT exam would do LLMs at top national law universities (NLU’s) in India, he said.

Name of the recruiterNumber of students recruited (including PPO’s)
Lakshmi Kumaran and Sridharan4
Desai & Diwanji3
ICICI Bank3
Vedanta3
IBS Software Solutions1
R & P Partners, Chennai3
Pangea32
Tatva Legal1 (via PPO)
SAB Media1 (via PPO)
Vichar Partners1
Texas Instruments1 (via PPO)
Kerala Law Journal1 (via PPO)
Senior Advocates of the Kerala High Court4 (via PPO)

Comments

Disgusting- 57% Placement 1 Jun 2011, 09:20
+5 -22
28 out of 47 students. That makes 57% placements! Utterly disappointing.

Let us get deeper! 4 placed with senior counsels? Anyone can get placed with a senior counsel!

Has anyone heard of Vichar Partners (1)? Or R & P Partners (3)? Firms like these must be paying peanusts, around 10 thousand rupees per month!

It will be better to open a small stationery shop than study in NUALS.

According to me 15 students have found placements, that can be really called placements.

And these guys want to do LLMs in NLUs? Clearly shows that NUALS is not of the level of an NLU.

Please strip NUALS of it's NLU status. Please.
kianganz 1 Jun 2011, 10:11
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I hope that this is a tongue-in-cheek and ironic comment.

Nevertheless, I am wondering, is it reasonable for people to expect every college to provide 100% of the batch 'desk jobs' on graduation?

Do all of Nuals or every other graduating class want to join the Big Law? In any case there are probably only 100 to 200 high-paying desk law jobs in the whole of India, so it is no failing of a college or its students that not everyone can be placed in such.

And perhaps some by choice are joining their family practices, under the radar of the recruitment cell, or have other career options or are quite happy to practice in a local court in Kerala, for example?

I know there is a tendency for hyperbole in comments on law school recruitment but please try to keep this in check somewhat.

I also accept that this hyperbole has been somewhat accerbated by us by reporting too much about all the Big Law jobs available out there. We hope to remedy this balance in future.

Best wishes,
Kian
Not so Stupid 1 Jun 2011, 16:12
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[quote name="Disgusting- 57% Placement"]28 out of 47 students. That makes 57% placements! Utterly disappointing.

Let us get deeper! 4 placed with senior counsels? Anyone can get placed with a senior counsel!

Has anyone heard of Vichar Partners (1)? Or R & P Partners (3)? Firms like these must be paying peanusts, around 10 thousand rupees per month!

It will be better to open a small stationery shop than study in NUALS.

According to me 15 students have found placements, that can be really called placements.

And these guys want to do LLMs in NLUs? Clearly shows that NUALS is not of the level of an NLU.

Please strip NUALS of it's NLU status. Please.[/quote]


Such attitude is despicable. Also, when you ridicule the people who want to do LLMs in NLUs you clearly show how shallow your outlook is or rather how naive you really are. I guess you belong to that breed of people who feel that an LLM has to be from a foreign University for it to be good (the typical 'Indian Dream')
"Clearly shows that NUALS is not of the level of an NLU"
Also, I'm very keen to know what is the level of an NLU according to you because of which you make the preposterous suggestion of 'stripping NUALS of its NLU status'.

Not so Stupid.
Accerbated? 1 Jun 2011, 18:38
+7 -1
I hope you meant "exacerbated" Kian, and I pray for the good of your website that it was a mistake.
wat do u think abt urself..:-/ 2 Jun 2011, 15:45
+3 -1
job is not the end of education.
please understand my dears...it is not the end od ur legal career to get into tier 1 law firms. no enter into R&P or vichaar partners, i don think it is sumthing which is "BAD" or "CHEAP". each person has his own point of view regarding his own career. to work with a lawyer for peanuts(u may cal it) , but i wud not), the job satisfaction matters.
the criteria for job satisafaction for you and another person may b different., so do not measure another person's satisfaction on the basis of ur criteria...hope all the person who looked down wud understood my point.
Nikhil 1 Jun 2011, 09:37
+6 -1
What is the actual number of people recruited by L&S ? Bar &Bench says 4 while LI says 3. This is very confusing. Please get your facts right

[The figure given in the text was correct: LKS hired 4, D&D hired 3. The table had originally mixed up the figures between D&D and LKS, thank you for pointing out. -Ed]
Nikhil 1 Jun 2011, 09:49
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Also 4 students are going for LL.M to NUS, one student cancelled. I am actually worried about your creditability and source. Your work is going worse than their placements!
kianganz 1 Jun 2011, 10:02
+6 -1
All the figures were given by Mr Sivanandan, who said that 5 would be going to NU Singapore.

If one student has now cancelled, he may not have been aware at the time of our chat and we can only report what was told to us by our source and do not rely on unattributed figures reported elsewhere.
Unknown 1 Jun 2011, 09:54
+6 -4
Pitty Legally India for not moderating comments. Comments of one user on NUALS seems to be insulting and defamatory.
kianganz 1 Jun 2011, 10:04
+8 -2
I regret if the comment caused offence although I am not sure if it was meant in irony as a commentary on the general vitriol going around or if it was actually serious.

However, I believe that legally it is not possible to blanket defame an entire law school.
Should you join NUALS? No! 1 Jun 2011, 10:02
+1 -13
CLAT aspirants! Should you join NUALS even when the college cannot provide you with that basic education which can get you JOBs?

Please don't ruin your future by joining such low grade colleges which call themselves NLUs.

As an aside, nice job by LI to get all the stats at one place.
kianganz 1 Jun 2011, 10:12
+9 -0
See my response to #1 above - such attitude may be slightly unconstructive and not every joins law to earn 10 lakh on graduation? In any case, such salaries are a very recent, and let's face it, minority phenomenon...

My 2 cents...
wow 1 Jun 2011, 11:34
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comments of some of the people indicates that the NLUs are like employment exchange, join-pay fees-get job...this is shockingly amazing.
LegalPirate 1 Jun 2011, 16:09
+1 -6
So NONE of the "Big Law" firms visiting NUJS this month (mind you, at START of recruitment of the senior batch) visited NUALS throughout the year? The biggest names in campus placements - Amarchand Mangaldas, Khaitan & Co, AZB, Luthra & Luthra, Trilegal, JSA gave NUALS a miss!! NUJS placements last year were spectacular, should be phenomenal this year and will only get better with junior batches!
unimpressive 1 Jun 2011, 16:14
+1 -6
Very unimpressive. Just compare the placements of our top 20 law schools with the top 20 american law schools. We are in a pathetic state. We are a country of 1 billion where a handful of familes are blocking foreign firms and creating an artificial scarcity of jobs. The government also does not hire many lawyers unlike in the West. As for advocates, most of them pay their juniors a driver's salary. All law students should stage a mass boycott of classes until the BCI reforms the legal sector.
angry 1 Jun 2011, 16:22
+5 -1
"See my response to #1 above - such attitude may be slightly unconstructive and not every joins law to earn 10 lakh on graduation? In any case, such salaries are a very recent, and let's face it, minority phenomenon...

My 2 cents..."

So why are you not doing a story asking why this is happening? We are a G20 country for gods sake! The BCI must take the blame for keeping our legal profession in the feudal dark ages. India Today did a story about Senior Advocates called "How Much Do Lawyers Earn." It's time to do a story called "How Much of their Earnings do These B******s Give Their Juniors Who Do All the Hard Work".
Not so Stupid 1 Jun 2011, 17:53
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[quote name="angry"]"See my response to #1 above - such attitude may be slightly unconstructive and not every joins law to earn 10 lakh on graduation? In any case, such salaries are a very recent, and let's face it, minority phenomenon...

My 2 cents..."

So why are you not doing a story asking why this is happening? We are a G20 country for gods sake! The BCI must take the blame for keeping our legal profession in the feudal dark ages. India Today did a story about Senior Advocates called "How Much Do Lawyers Earn." It's time to do a story called "How Much of their Earnings do These B******s Give Their Juniors Who Do All the Hard Work".[/quote]

Thats the way it has always been and maybe will always be. Its a take it or leave it deal.
N 1 Jun 2011, 19:26
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Firstly, we must discount those who are pursuing LLM's and those who got into litigation and then consider the numbers. And yes, being a law student, I would say that one does join a law school ( especially if of the National variety) for job security. And the remainder of students undoubtedly would have wanted good jobs (or jobs at all). After 5 years of toil, this would be fair return, and probably expected since it has become somewhat a practice. I will refrain from judging the quality of recruiters (although I hope for those recruited that they get paid enough to justify five years of hard work)for I feel that great work can be done from anywhere. Yet again, money is a huge consideration.
A member of responsible societ 1 Jun 2011, 19:33
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This Article illustrates how Legally India collects their information. Their correspondents get in touch with some random student from a University (hopefully from that University) and over a cup of coffee they discuss placements, last Friday's releases and world peace. As a member of responsible society, I would like to set the record straight and advise Legally India to use wikipedia at the least before they publish such reports. NUALS was established under the NATIONAL UNIVERSITY OF ADVANCED LEGAL STUDIES ACT (ACT 27 of 2005) which granted it deemed university status. The maiden batch passed out in 2007. Mr. Sivanandan's batch is not the maiden batch. Basic math tells us that he belongs to the fifth batch passing out of NUALS. Every batch that passed out of NUALS got a degree from a National University. Students of previous batches were placed in tier 1 firms like Amarchand Mangaldass, Trilegal, Wadia Ghandy, Khaitan and corporate houses like ICICI, Deloitte, Reliance and Vedanta. I hope Legally India has confirmed that Mr. Vishnu Sivanandan is in fact a member of the NUALS CCR. We expect Legally India to do some verification and basic research before they publish articles that may cast negative aspersions on a University and every student that has, is or may study there.
Legal Poet II 1 Jun 2011, 20:05
+7 -4
Really?

If it's so easy to become the most trusted source of legal news in India; give it a shot buddy.

And if the placements were indeed so good, what happened here? Suddenly the recruiters woke up and said, "Nah! Kochi would be too hot, too humid. We'll give it a skip"?

The fact is that these are bad placements and need an introspection.
FYI 2 Jun 2011, 15:30
+1 -5
FYI

NIALS was established in 2002 . and it was under CUSAT (Cochin University of Science and Technology). its maiden batch passed out in 2007. Later in an NUALS Act was enacted in 2005.it is not a deemed university. it is a UNIVERSITY under an ACT. understand the difference b/w deemed university and university.
And maiden batch of the law school after it getting a university status, after becoming NUALS is 20011 pass out batch.
Dunkirk! 1 Jun 2011, 19:57
+1 -6
Kian, I am missing those NLS-Nalsar-NUJS catfights. Hee Hee.
Those NUJS people will come with recruitment figures. Then, the LI war would start.

Grab your helmets and bayonets!

And ask your interns to moderate the comments, Kian
Satya 2 Jun 2011, 12:14
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It meant the first batch passing out since the collage received the National University status...Please read it well b4 u get into the cat fights! ;) and...There are 11 NLUs in the country and I dont think NUALS is bad at all when you consider the others...Afterall...a job is not the be all and end all of education! :)
Legatron 2 Jun 2011, 12:51
+8 -0
Yeah it wasn't so great, yeah NUALS is not positioned on the threshold of superstar salaries that also bring in tow bleary eyes and injured spines. Big Money is nice but its not what everyone wants. a lot of people find it far better to join family practices. and its not just firms that generate high revenues, practicing counsels also make a good dime and while a large number of them may not pay you much there is a lot more knowledge about than you would learn in a cubicle working on one/few types of work. Due diligence reports and IPOs are not everyone's ultimate goal. to each his own. @no 1 i wonder why if it does not vitiate your lofty existence then kindly let the mortals be sire ! ;)
lets be nice people. :)
Unknown 2 Jun 2011, 14:49
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@Satya: I still don't get your point. What do you mean by "first batch passing out since college received the National University status"? If you mean to say a University gets conferred "National University" status merely by joining the CLAT cluster then you are mistaken. The National University status is conferred by virtue of an Act. In this case NUALS was conferred status in 2005 so all batches that have graduated from NUALS graduated from a National Law School.
FYI 2 Jun 2011, 15:49
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the first batch admitted in NUALS, after attaining it the status of 'NUALS', is the meaning. the 2011 pass out batch is de first batch admitted after de institution got the university status.