Outlook, which commissioned research agency MDRA to carry out the research, ranked NLSIU Bangalore, Nalsar Hyderabad, NLIU Bhopal and NLU Jodhpur in the top four, followed by ILS Pune and Symbiosis Pune.
“Selection process” was again weighted the most heavily with 287 points, followed by infrastructure with 213 points. NLSIU achieved a lower score than Nalsar in the “selection process category”. Both colleges participate in the Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT), where NLSIU has been the first preference for two years running.
In infrastructure NLSIU scored the highest with 204, ahead of Nalsar on 199. NLIU Bhopal also outscored Nalsar with 203 points.
In placements Outlook ranked NLSIU with 153 points just before Nalsar, while NLIU Bhopal and NLU Jodhpur had almost the same score at around 137. In the online version of the magazine no detailed methodology was published about the law school rankings, although for engineering more information was given on its website.
Department of Law BHU Varanasi, GLC Mumbai, Amity Law School Delhi and GNLU Gandhinagar occupied places seven to 10.
In August 2010 NUJS professor Shamnad Basheer and two students wrote official letters of complaint to Outlook India and India Today questioning their methodologies and requesting clarification, such as Outlook’s choice to attribute greater weight to the selection process than to faculty, for example.
Outlook replied on 1 September 2010 with further information on its rating system, which the NUJS complainants described as “lackadaisical” in turn in their response.
Basheer told Legally India yesterday that NUJS therefore chose not to supply any figures to Outlook. Outlook stated in its table that “only institutes that submitted objective data on time have been ranked”.
NLU Jodhpur, which was in the top 10 in last year’s Outlook rankings but made seventh in 2009, made an entry this year at number four.
Rival rankings
In December 2010 Lawyers Update magazine compiled its own ranking, also using data from Legally India’s Mooting Premier League to rank colleges.
Outlook India 2011 law school rankings
| Rank | College | Overall score | Selection process (287) | Personality dev’p & ind interface (144) | Infrastructure (213) | Placement (156) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | NLSIU Bangalore | 906.5 | 231.8 | 140.6 | 204.1 | 152.8 |
| 2 | Nalsar Hyderabad | 899.1 | 233.7 | 140.6 | 199.4 | 150.1 |
| 3 | NLIU Bhopal | 871.5 | 226.5 | 127.2 | 202.8 | 137.3 |
| 4 | NLU Jodhpur | 805.7 | 200.6 | 119.6 | 188 | 137.2 |
| 5 | ILS Pune | 796.4 | 234.1 | 117 | 176.2 | 121.5 |
| 6 | Symbiosis Pune | 778.8 | 214.8 | 121 | 159.5 | 132.2 |
| 7 | BHU Law, Varanasi | 765.8 | 238.4 | 110.8 | 174.4 | 101 |
| 8 | GLC Mumbai | 763.6 | 244.8 | 108.5 | 138.8 | 129.3 |
| 9 | Amity Delhi | 758.5 | 194.5 | 109.8 | 184.5 | 125.8 |
| 10 | GNLU Gandhinagar | 741.1 | 197.4 | 111.8 | 161.3 | 118.8 |
Source: Outlook India June 2011
Comments
A side note: If NUJS had participated, which is to say permitted Outlook to consider it for rankings, at the most it could have found a place between fourth to sixth. I say this because it would have scored very low against infrastructure; somewhere similar to GLC, Mumbai and hence nosedived. In hindsight I would say well done NUJS! you saved yourself the blushes.
the rankings should be
NLS
NALSAR
NUJS
NLU J
GNLU
GLC
NLIU
HNLU
ILS
SYMBIOSIS
GLC truly represents a global brand. Quit Indian Rankings.. You deserve to be in the league with Yale and Harvard.
GLC should put themselves above NLS.NOw they should compete with Yale & Harvard.Even they should win the Jessup moot court competition n all moot courts etc......
Sadly, that, apart from alumni/history, is the only thing.
PS - I am from the best law school in the country.
Every GLCite ( dont know if thts wht they call themselves)worth his/her salt most covetously desires to become a paralegal in some family owned firm in the back alleys of fort or ballard estate!
Hope you are speaking abt GLC and not some famous institution on GB road/MIRA road, coz if you are speaking abt the latter we all would vouch for it. Mumbai that way remains the best in the country, alas when it comes to Law schools you'll take light years to catch up!!
KHOPDI JADA MAT LAGAYA KARO........relax man,do something in life...
Law schools and law is just not about some job in some family owned concern ( read a law firm), thereby these law school rankings cant just be solely based on the same.
Most students in the National Law Schools opt for high paying jobs to try and repay or justify the high fees which they pay through 5 years. However I guess that could never be your concern with the miserly change you pay at GLC in the name of fees. (Your fees seems to be the only thing inflation hasnt caught up with)
So opt for the life which most of your illustrious alumni have chosen for in the court!
Studying the Law is a process, placements a byproduct!
NLS
NALSAR
NUJS
NLU J
GNLU
GLC
NLIU
HNLU
ILS
SYMBIOSIS
Nothing less than 91% will get you into ILS in Open category.
thats all NUJS CAN DO
outlook be careful
you dont want to incur the wrath of the noojies
[...]
Lets see what GLC provides: very few classes... the students are mostly found interning in Mumbai’s law firms for the complete duration of their course, in some case for 3 to 4 years. So in effect what they do is join GLC to get hired as a intern and keep working at a minimal stipend until they get their degree. They are taken onboard by the same law firm if they are half decent and the law firm has any sense of gratitude to the work that they did at less then the salary of a peon.
GLC is lucky to be ranked here as it is not better than Amity and certainly not than GNLU. I think it got 8th rank because of its placement in Mumbai firm where prior to joining they already have slogged for 3-4 years. And mind you that is not what industry interface is.
Wat does GLC provide
1.Practical experience
2.opportunities
3.freedom
4.Chance to work and learn from the best
5.even 'book' knowledge
and ya its not that lectures dun happen.....they do happen...and students do attend...u really dun knw the facts dude...u say its ranked here because ' placement in a mumbai firm where they have already slogged themselves for 5 yeard'...dude thats the best part abt GLC and dun temme placements is not the criteria for rankings....and even i can say..GNLU or any other law school for that matter is ranked'only because of its infrastructure and faculty and a college where a student slogs himself for 5 years by making projects etc.'if u didnt understand...i just wrote this to prove how lame ur comment abt glc being ranked coz of placements was....because every college gets ranked because of it's good qualities...nothing else.....the bottom line is U GUYS STUDY but we STUDY and WORK.....still i think that the rankings given in #3 are the most suitable
Also they know everything. NLS is going down. It is a myth. Nalsar faculty is not good.
NUJS has start ups. That is the brilliantly self proclaimed and only parameter for law school rankings. Keep washing those plates. As per one of their [...] it is a 'character building exercise'. [...]
Upstarts!
Then, what is the problem in washing your own plate?
Now go start a blog and rank my backside and your plate.
Say how my backside is a 'failed' institute.
Unless you can appreciate such subtle differences you will need to start up.
Seems that you have been taught at your place that there is a very less difference between "Plates" and " Backside". And, you may not have to use plates even I think :P You have backside man. Your very own :P
Read the sarcasm dude. Guess they don't teach you that on the blogs.
Seems that you have been taught at your place that there is a very less difference between "Plates" and " Backside". And, you may not have to use plates even I think :P You have backside man. Your very own :P[/quote]
what the hell is he going on yapping about? :s
i don't get this obsession with washing plates. with so many things to do in a city (as opposed to some godforsaken village), when you actually have a life, running a tap for 20 seconds over your plate is hardly the downside of anything.
It seems there's more time spent in Nagarbhali (or whichever village NLS is at) and Shameerpet (ever heard of that? yeah that's where NALSAR is!) with kids sitting on their asses imagining NUJS kids washing their plates than the time (or effort) NUJS kids put in washing their own plates!
Gawwdd! What losers!!
It's called 'a life'. Please go get one!
Evidently, nobody at NUJS felt the need to have their self-worth validated by a magazine which is incapable of even defending its own views. The magazine probably realizes that people don't buy their magazine to read what they already know! It's only when the rankings have that element of randomness (although these rankings seem to reek of randomness sprinkled with a shadow of truth - which might just in fact be coincidental!) that anyone would even buy their magazine!
To see NLS / NALSAR students actually SIDING with such blatantly erroneous rankings makes one think about how goddamn insecure students in these law schools are!! Not insecure? Or maybe then just bored in their suffocating and depressing village towns with little else to do? Don't worry! 5 years go by in a breeze! Well, at least at NUJS they certainly do :D.
Clearly, NUJS didn't even have any interest in bothering with these sham "rankings" - and you morons are still obsessing with NUJS! Hah! What fun.
Hm. I suppose I can see why NLS and NALSAR kids are happy with these rankings.
Most of the NLS / NALSAR kids commenting here actually wanted to make it to GLC and BHU, but couldn't. They feel vindicated now that NLS and NALSAR have been ranked higher than GLC and BHU!
Why?
GLC's selection procedure is the MOST rigorous (244.8 points)! BHU's selection procedure was too hard to crack for them, you see (hence the 238.4 points!). NALSAR was a bit easier (233.7 points). For those who couldn't make it to GLC / BHU, their distant third choice was NALSAR, and NLS was their fall back option (231.8 points).
Hm, not true?
Maybe rankings are wrong, no?
{NUJS points finger at you and laughs. Haha. Told you so. What an absolute idiot you are.}
Another 10 blogs with their own rankings ??
No NO ! NUJS is fair and justified. NUJS students and Professors are the best! (They are good at writing complaints after all !!)
Nobody should blame this great Law School. Its mere coincidence that all these mishaps keep happening to them yaar !!
My suggestion is let LI also keep track of number of moots participated by a law school and allot marks for only those moots where if not the top ten then top six law schools participate. Else the one who goes to all places generally end up lucky to earn points and hence the moot ranking. I am interested in knowing, how many moots did NALSAR, NUJS, NLUD, NLSIU, NLIU, HNLU, GNLU, ILS and NLUJ participated. I would not be surprised to know that NLSIU, NLIU, ILS participated in far less number of moots when compared to others. Also, a lot of law schools do not support funding of international moots and hence are adversely affected by the current rankings. Just see the points picked up by some the law schools because of international moots. Hence I think there is some serious flaw with the rankings.
So, according to you what should be the parameters to judge a law school?
I think they should be Faculty, Selection Process, Recruitment, Student Achievements. Start ups. Whats wrong with that? They want to do something of their own, mind it.
NUJS has taken a very right step. You know, I know how flawed these India Today and Outlook rankings are.
What's up with NUJS and your headlines?
Nevertheless, since we covered the NUJS complaint and Outlook's reply, it was fair to cover these rankings, about which the only vaguely interesting thing from a 'journalistic' perspective appears to be NUJS' exclusion this year (although we also mentioned NLU-J in the headline).
Anyway, do please tell what headline we should/could have chosen instead?
and trust me, if at all any college in India can come closer to these ivy-league colleges of India could be NLU JODHPUR.....so,dear CLAT ASPIRANTS,work hard to get into these colleges to honestly learn the law and not to get the fu**ing placement because that u can get at GLC MUMBAI without even attending college
It feels nice when I compare my college to the already established law schools.
Yet, I know that that girl/boy at CNLU knew enough GK to clear that damn paper.. and I couldn't.. It kills me..
Kills me every day.."
[...]
Rank 1, NLU Delhi
Rank 10,000, CLAT
Not to forget GLC, Bombay
Way to go Shamnad and NUJS. Proud of you. Irrespective or whether it is ranked or not by Outlook, NUJS continues to remain among the top law schools in the country.
Questionable methodology. NUJS did the right thing.
just to make i
So much pride for such a stupid name.. !!
so NUJS guys, work hard like the others, and party less... only then can u aspire to replicated the success that others have done....
Read above comment,
"If you are not a Noojie, You are NOT a Noojie."
1. The best placements. (See legallyindia for details)
2. Best faculty. (See websites and compare)
3. Best location.
NUJS deserves to be number 2. And that is what the democratically elected CLAT preferences show. NUJS is the number 2 choice of CLAT aspirants.
What you people don't understand is placements are not important for a LAW SCHOOL to become important.
or is it really important that you take shots at a law school which doesnt have a following here ??
However, these rankings are quite unimpressive, they do not capture any of the real happenings around these law schools.
As a principles stand that NUJS has taken, I support it entirely. Many other universities go all out pandering to these magazines providing rankings. Of course I see it doesn't always quite work out the way they want.
NUJS did make it in the top 10. It questions the credibility of the ranking. Wow! If your law school needs just a slight pat on its back for you to feel more secure for being ranked by someone with no credibility, these rankings are for you alone. Mind you, not for the aspirants, not for the industry, but just you.
Great move NUJS! Other law schools must give a serious thought to the methodology, and if they too feel that the rankings lack credibility, they should give it a miss too and force these magazines to improve and make their methodology more transparent.
May I kindly remind you that you are addressing two of the oldest and most prestigious law schools of the country. They are still one of the most elite law colleges India has with a very strong alumni.
May I kindly remind you that you are addressing two of the oldest and most prestigious law schools of the country. They are still one of the most elite law colleges India has with a very strong alumni.[/quote]
Oldest??? yes! but ELITE/PRESTIGIOUS??? you definitely appear to be slightly out of touch with realty. Any one and everyone gets through these to colleges, in fact ILS should change its name to MLS (Marathi Law Society, thanks to the state quota) and for Symbi, the less said is more.
For instance,
- Why so much weightage on 'Selection Process' ?
- How come selection process marks vary among the CLAT colleges ?
- How does NLSIU get less in selection than GLC and ILS ??
- Is NLSIU really just 5 points ahead of NALSAR and 2 points ahead of Bhopal? I dont doubt that NALSAR is an excellent place - but seriously - 5 points ? Bhopal though is eons behind in infrastructure - witnessed in person.
- Jodhpur has less infrastructure than Bhopal ?
- Symby gets placement scores comparable to Jodhpur and Bhopal ?? Are they referring to placement of the five year degree students or placement of buildings within the campus ?
This is just a sample of the bizarre inferences one has to come to if the rankings had any credibility. NUJS has done well not to provide data. I think the CLAT preference speaks for itself and only highlights what a farce of a survey these magazines are conducting each year in the name of journalism.
And one exam doesn't test your future. ILS has better selection because it takes your 12th percentage into consideration. Not the marks of some question paper which already has answers underlined.
And one exam doesn't test your future. ILS has better selection because it takes your 12th percentage into consideration. Not the marks of some question paper which already has answers underlined.[/quote]
Despite those underlined answers some people still fail to make the cut[quote name="Berserk!"]Enough. Enough. You guys are jealous of ILS. Aren't you? Where are you from? .. [...]
"And one exam doesn't test your future. ILS has better selection because it takes your 12th percentage into consideration. Not the marks of some question paper which already has answers underlined."[/quote]
Despite those underlined answers some people still fail to make it into the top law schools. point being here is, when you point a finger at some one u end up point three at yourself... No disrespect meant here..Peace-out
How are 12th marks a better indicator than Legal Aptitude, General Knowledge, Math, Legal Writing (like the section on legal notes we had earlier), English, etc?
Entrances are far superior at weeding out the nerds who learn by rote and get good marks and perform miserably when you test their acumen for legal studies.
Well,
I was in Science in 12th std.
I don't think I would have got through to ILS, though now I'm in a good NLU.
How the hell was the 12th percentage a better indicator for me?:D
Also, laugh at yourself please!
Did they pass out because of "substance abuse"? or do u mean that they graduated from ILS?
And yes, so much for reality and choosing the wrong college. As if the West Begal NUJS is the only shining armour left. It's ok to live in one's own world, it is criminal to expect others to follow you. Wake up! before its too late.
1. In the methodology or Outlook table it states that only colleges where more than 3 batches have passed out are eligible. That would exclude quite a few national law schools, including NLU Delhi.
2. it could be that only 10 colleges participated in the survey, hence their selection?
There is Amity Delhi there but no NLUD.
Amity in the top-10?
No doubt legal education in India is F-ed.
That explains.
is NUJS really doing a philanthropic exercise by boycotting these rankings and writing letters, with the fear that the law aspirants will get a wrong picture altogether? if noojies really know they're good, why don't they stop publicizing about it and getting insecure over any law school ranks? every1 knows how "accurate" outlook ranks are, and anyways ranks cannot be clear to any aspirant if every year some or the other law school is left out of their survey- all the more reason why, any CLAT aspriant will research law school ranks properly before filling in his preferences.
'Selection Process' has four components: type of entrance exam, application to selected ratio, fees, age.
Under the 'Selection Process' head NLS got 231.8 and NALSAR got 233.7.
Let us follow the methodology adopted by Outlook and redo the sums. We find that type of entrance exam is same for NLS and NALSAR namely CLAT. Application to selected ratio would be same as both have equal number of seats in 2011 namely 83. I do not know how fees would affect the points allotted under it but I assume that lower fees would give higher points but NLS and NALSAR charge same around Rs. 1.70 lakhs pa. Finally for age NLS is 23 years and NALSAR is 13 years old, I presume that points would be higher for older institutions.
Thus on four components under head of 'Selection Process' NLS and NALSAR would score equally on first three namely type of entrance exam, application to selected ratio and fees. So the only component left is age where NLS would get more points than NALSAR.
So question is how did NLS score less that NALSAR under the head of selection process?
FEES & AGE
NLS - http://clat.ac.in/images/pdf/university_brochures/nls.pdf
NALSAR - http://clat.ac.in/images/pdf/university_brochures/nalsar.pdf
SEATS
https://s3.amazonaws.com/clat_2011/LIST-OF_ALL_NLU_WITH_SEATS-FINAL_1F-for_upload.xls
Look at ILS - 23 K Tution Fee and the rest won't go beyong 80K. So, half of yours!! Duh!
We have people who studied one year at ILS, GLC and now studying with us. We even have people who studied one year at GNLU, but now studying in NUJS.
139?
Get your facts rights. It is 125. Dont count the buffer seats. I hope you know the meaning of "BUFFER"
NRIs? NRI quota closed at 454, much lesser than General quota of various colleges and even lesser than NLIU Domicile General Quota which closed at 650(approx.)
Get a Life. Better try next time :)
Ho Ho! Ha ha!
ILS
Do they teach law, seriously?
:P lol
Secondly NRI closed at 1000 something. not 454. I know your seniors at NUJS teach you to paint glorious pictures of your college and pass derisive comments at all other colleges.
Secondly NRI closed at 1000 something. not 454. I know your seniors at NUJS teach you to paint glorious pictures of your college and pass derisive comments at all other colleges.[/quote]
I know lex fakes, you are in a habit to post fake, so I wont mind. But, I doubt your factual knowledge that you read 527 as 1000 something. How comical are you :D
(NRI- read again NRI - paise waaale log)
454 - 1st List
527 - 2nd List.
I think your college doesn't teach how to do research and how to read facts.
Come intern under me, I will train you :P
Secondly NRI closed at 1000 something. not 454. I know your seniors at NUJS teach you to paint glorious pictures of your college and pass derisive comments at all other colleges.[/quote]
[quote name="Lex Fakes"][quote name="Berserk!"]You know what Buffer is? ... If no one drops out, they will still join NUJS. Which means this batch has 139 seats now. Now, get a life for yourselves and try replying again.[/quote]
Secondly NRI closed at 1000 something. not 454. I know your seniors at NUJS teach you to paint glorious pictures of your college and pass derisive comments at all other colleges.[/quote]
Dear Fake,
NRI list closed at 454.(1st List)
527 ( 2nd List)
Get your facts correct.
Outlook is a business - they have to sell copies, preferably more copies next month than the last. How many copies do you think they would sell if they printed "NLS is the best" year after year? that's why the eyeball grabbing stunts - "ILS pips NLS", "NUJS not figured", and so on. Even negative publicity is publicity, and money paid is revenue irrespective of whether the magazine is bought to read or to wipe your arse. Those jokers at Outlook and IT are laughing their way to the bank while curious folk buy this issue to decipher the survey.
For myself, I don't like this one but - it stinks. But then I'm not a businessman and in all likelihood never will be. So I did the best thing I could think of after that stupid ILS / NLS ranking fiasco - I did not renew my subscription and never regretted it.
On second thought: if Outlook is guilty of falsehood for the sake of more eyeballs and hence more business then what do you make of the WB NUJS tactics of self glorification? I am sure you would say not eyeballs but public interest. I just laugh it off...
On second thought: if Outlook is guilty of falsehood for the sake of more eyeballs and hence more business then what do you make of the WB NUJS tactics of self glorification? I am sure you would say not eyeballs but public interest. I just laugh it off...[/quote]
I don't know what you mean but it does appear rather gaseous - like the press statements released by the psychos across the western border.
Why can't people avoid the temptation to post just for the sake of it
On second thought: if Outlook is guilty of falsehood for the sake of more eyeballs and hence more business then what do you make of the WB NUJS tactics of self glorification? I am sure you would say not eyeballs but public interest. I just laugh it off...[/quote]
I don't know what you mean but it does appear rather gaseous - like the press statements released by the psychos across the western border.
Why can't people avoid the temptation to post just for the sake of it[/quote]
dude,D's statement makes a complete sense...u need to work harder in NUJS to understand things other than filing random suits and making random comments under the veil of public interest...
The issue at hand is how scientific these rankings are, given the flimsy basis on which they are prepared and the apparent lack of reasons behind the distinctions. But of course, it's no doubt easier to neatly sidestep this than to search for an answer. Can't blame you for not wanting to exercise your grey cells - i.e. if you have any. But just in the event you do, may be a good idea to try and analyse the rankings in private.
Never mind reputation, never mind the overall choice of candidates sitting for CLAT, never mind the opinions of legal professionals all over the country, never mind academic performance and the outcomes of national and international level moot court championships.
I scored 138 in my CLAT and was shortlisted for SLS. I had the option for going to many of the law schools this magazine has ranked above NUJS; but I didn't. I opted for NUJS as my third preference after NLS and NALSAR and got there. I didn't do it out of compulsion or any strong love for Kolkata, I did it after extensive research and consultation with many legal professionals. And I do not regret my decision. I look forward to five years at one of the three elite law colleges of India and I'm forever proud to be an NUJSite.
Outlook, go **** [...].
And it is "Noojie" and not "NUJSite" :)
NLU Bhopal: Rank 3
Flip a couple of pages and guess what?
A full page advertisement by NLU-Bhopal.
Tch tch, Outlook, shame on you. Couldn't have been more blatant. Anyone who considers these rankings (By magazines like India Today and Outlook)as a way to compare universities is a jackass. :)
wonder when LI will report them...
I sure you will become a good lawyer as good as India Today Ranking System.
Bingo!