NUJS brings #nationaliseNLUs movement to life with NLU consortium and law day demonstrations

NUJS sends out an SOS for NLU nationalisation
NUJS sends out an SOS for NLU nationalisation

NUJS Kolkata students staged a campus demonstration yesterday (26 November) to lend voice to national law university (NLU) students’ common demand that NLUs should be given Institute of National Importance (INI) status.

The National Law Universities Students Consortium, India, which is a group of NLU student councils, released a statement yesterday with the demand:

We, the students of all the NLUs, renew and reaffirm our call for reforms in legal education in India by urging the Union Government to take cognizance of the abysmal state of affairs and bring parity in the administration of NLUs, to make them at par with other national institutes.

Being comparable to IITs, NITs, IIITs and IIMs (added earlier this year) in every respect, granting NLUs the status of ‘Institutes of National Importance’ (INI) must also be considered specially to tackle the perpetual lack of funds and issues faced by students.

Law day protest

At NUJS in the wake of the NUJS Act amendment bill passed in the state assembly last week which has been staunchly condemned by students, they were out on the grounds yesterday chanting the slogan “nationalise NLUs”, according to video footage we have seen.

Several other NLUs, such as Nalsar Hyderabad and NLSIU Bangalore were closed for the semester break, but supported the initiative.

The Nalsar Student body (SBC) told us yesterday:

Nalsar is on semester break so we couldn’t organise any physical demonstration. However, we firmly stand in solidarity with the students of NUJS against State Government’s attack on the institutional autonomy. This joint statement is historic as it is the first time that students from ALL the NLUs have come together to make a collective demand for Nationalisation. We have established an NLUs Students Consortium with the aim of pushing for reforms in the field of legal education in India. The Consortium will serve as a common platform for voicing the concerns of law students across National Law Universities.

An NLSIU student council representative told us yesterday that while on semester break the students had internally circulated the statement of the NLU students consortium for comment.

The HNLU Raipur student council said yesterday: “Most of the NLUs have their semester break going on now. So we are not able to do anything as of now. But we are planning to send petitions and letters across legal and political fraternity.”

NationaliseNLUs who now?

The origin of the #nationaliseNLUs campaign is not entirely clear. Images announcing the hashtag and initiative had surfaced in comments on Legally India over the past several months but despite looking hard, we have not been able to trace whoever had first come up with it.

NUJS and other student councils are understood to have been inspired by the idea and ran with it.

If you happen to know who first came up with the hashtag, please do get in touch or share in the comments.

Why INI?

According to the consortium’s statement the lack of funds provided by the government to the NLUs coupled with increasing state government interference in the administration of the NLUs had resulted in a situation where NLUs today were “inefficiently administrated educational institutions that failed the cause of legal excellence in India”.

The INI status would bring NLUs under the control of the central government and open the gates for treatment at par with the IITs and IIMs.

NLUs’ common demand for INI status had first surfaced in November 2017 when NLSIU, Nalsar and NUJS student bodies released a joint statement in support of the demand.

But even before that join statement then DSNLU Vizag final year student Debadutta Bose had drafted a bill to provide for INI status to NLUs, which was later introduced in the Lok Sabha. It is currently pending.

HNLU Raipur SBC president Snehal Ranjan Shukla commented: “It is saddening that even after 10 years of CLAT and establishment of 21 NLUs, the authorities have not acted in the direction of achieving the goal for which NLUs were conceptualized.

“More than 10 NLUs have sat in protest in the past 2 years and what we have seen is the same problem persists everywhere. We believe that bringing an uniformity within the universities will help all the university grow in terms of knowledge, experience, exposure and administration. We believe that the word ‘NATIONAL’ should have some meaning attached to it.

“There is a bill pending before the parliament it should be discussed with all the stake holders to bring certain amendments and it should be passed as soon as possible,” Shukla added.

NUJS for more national support of NLUs
NUJS for more national support of NLUs

NUJS students united in support of initiative
NUJS students united in support of initiative

Comments

Guest 27 Nov 2018, 15:27
+15 -3
Long overdue show of unity from NLU students. However, much more needs to be done to make up for lost time. All NLU students must go on strike, and during the strike seek meetings with the CJI, law minister, opposition MPs and CLAT consortium -- possibly file a PIL as well.
Too late 27 Nov 2018, 15:43
+8 -3
What were the NLU student associations doing all along? Among the IITs and IIMs they have strong unity despite placement rivalries. There is even an alumni organisation called Pan IIT, encompassing all IITs (http://paniit.org) and similarly Pan IIM. At NLUs the students have been very divided and are paying the price. It is too late for the demand to be met unless the likes of Modi, Rahul Gandhi and the SC intervene directly (which will not happen).
Guest 27 Nov 2018, 16:00
+23 -6
Pointless protest. Get NLU students across India to boycott classes indefinitely, coverage on national news channels, and a response from Ravi Shankar Prasad/Javadekar/senior lawyers --- that will be a proper protest.
Useless 28 Nov 2018, 09:05
+4 -9
Useless (unreal) suggestion. All NLUs combined are what - 5k / 10k students? That's like the strength of an average Univ. offering B. Tech + other courses. The idea of NLUs uniting is more to do with: (1) Getting all NLUs kids to think/ strategise together; (2) Not looking disjunct when asking for nationalisation. The idea of NLUs uniting is certainly not about getting it done by sheer numbers, simply because we don't have the numbers.
Guest 27 Nov 2018, 16:04
+9 -1
[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/xT1XGQqp4a4HNFU3Di/200.gif[/img]
Guest 27 Nov 2018, 17:54
+8 -1
"inefficiently administrated educational institutions that failed the cause of legal excellence in India”.

Surely you mean 'administered.' Some rigour will take you far in life, however little you might think of this intervention.

Best for the movement.
Borrowed Name 29 Nov 2018, 10:50
+1 -2
Sir/Madam, I think you have got this wrong. Administrate is a valid verb and is not a corruption of administer as you might believe.

Administrate is usually associated with managing. Administer on the other hand is associated with doing, for example, administer an injection.
Guest 29 Nov 2018, 12:03
+1 -1
"administrate" is not incorrect, but it is uncommon and odd-sounding. The students have perhaps been influenced by that Taylor Swift song and wanted a rhyming word.
GNLU Member 2 4 Dec 2018, 10:44
+2 -0
Backtracking! Your first comment pointed out his 'mistake' but now you backtrack to saying it sounds "uncommon". What even is your point?
Guest 27 Nov 2018, 18:01
+2 -8
"It is saddening that even after 10 years of CLAT and establishment of 21 NLUs, the authorities have not acted in the direction of achieving the goal for which NLUs were conceptualized."

It is even sadder for those of us who know effort in this direction was made early in Modi prime ministership. These efforts were initiated through Bimal Patel but were quickly shot down.

You can see the MHRD's attitude towards educational institutions (asking them to become self-sustaining) and see why this happened.

A concerted, inclusive (admins, faculty and students) and sustained almost revolutionary push is needed. However, I doubt that even this would be enough for NLUs given their small student numbers.
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 00:45
+5 -1
Such a troll
LLLL 28 Nov 2018, 05:38
+5 -2
When did Bimal Patel advocate nationalisation? I don't know why Bimal Patel has such a fan club at GNLU. Any article criticising GNLU immediately sees GNLU-ites standing up for him. No wonder GNLU is the only NLU that has not seen the slightest protest against anything, despite the damning report of the Madhav Menon Committee.
Aap Ka Suroor 28 Nov 2018, 06:40
+5 -0
Biman Patel has a fan club at GNLU? Are you a part of it?
GNLU Member 2 4 Dec 2018, 10:46
+0 -0
Bimpa does not have any fan club in GNLU. That is terrible insight on your part. Majority of the students resent him and his administration.
Alam 27 Nov 2018, 20:00
+14 -13
These students are highly misguided. While it is inspiring to see them dream naively, these universities were set up by States, many of them are heavily funded by States and very much under the ultimate control of the states. Respective states have the right to run these institutions as they please. Democracy comes at a cost my friend. You can get INI status, but NLUs will remain state universities only. Only hope is to involve SC judges to balance the state government, which Menon did. You guys are going against the constitution, and fighting the wrong battle by asking for nationalization. I hope you get smarter and cannier soon.
NLUD 27 Nov 2018, 21:59
+1 -12
We don't want nationalization of NLUS. Thx bi.
Other NLUs 28 Nov 2018, 14:37
+4 -0
@Thx bi: Yup. We know (why), and we are fine with it.
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 15:27
+5 -0
@Other NLUs: Wait till Ranbir Singh gets replaced by someone like Jaiswal at NLUD, soon they will realise the advantages of getting nationalised.
Other NLUs 28 Nov 2018, 15:57
+1 -0
Not commenting on Ranbir or Jaiswal - I guess most NLUD people already do realise. Their concern (what I feel) could be about quality deterioration, which is a fair concern. Now you might say that not being part of CLAT is itself quality deterioration (which argument I agree with). Just that both the arguments have some weight (one may be more than the other), hence the status quo.

Although, they have bigger problems to deal with - SH.

Or Thx bi could be a one-off protester, we wouldn't know (@Thx bi: No offense).
Lol 2 Dec 2018, 23:03
+0 -0
Over the last 7-8 years there have been minimal issues with AILET while CLAT has managed to stay innovative in how to screw students so if anything taking students via CLAT is leading to quality deterioration
GNLU ka baap 4 Dec 2018, 10:48
+0 -0
Couldn't agree more. That is largely due to the platform on which both are conducted. It is fairly easy to conduct a pen and paper examination. Software errors -- well they're a bit harder to tackle, to say the least.
NLUD 29 Nov 2018, 04:47
+3 -1
Not just about Ranbir, due to the support we get from the Delhi HC (who convinced Ranbir to come to NLUD in the first place), plus a lot of funds from the state government which flow irrespective who is in power AAP or Congress (ACs in hostels cost a lot of money).

The fact is a lot depends on the attitude of the HC towards NLU, there is no doubt that Delhi HC is one of the better High Courts in the country and that helps.
Advisor 28 Nov 2018, 02:05
+6 -0
[quote]However, I doubt that even this would be enough for NLUs given their small student numbers.
[/quote]

Which is precisely why all NLUs need to protest together as soon as the term commences. Also, the NLU Bill introduced by Prof Sugata Bose is not a good bill, because it makes the High Court CJ the Chancellor. High Court CJs are more vulnerable to political manipulation as they want promotions to the SC. The CJI should be the Chancellor for all NLUs.

I think the best solution is to get an SC order temporarily staying all further reservations at NLUs pending the report of a high-level committee exploring Nationalisation. This committee can be a joint effort between the judiciary and legislature.
Onlooker 28 Nov 2018, 13:30
+1 -0
The NLU at Lucknow does not have Chief Justice as the Chancellor. The Chief Minister of UP is the Chairman.
GNLU ka baap 4 Dec 2018, 10:48
+4 -0
Phir toh Mandir RMLNLU mai hi banega!
GNLU chatra 4 Dec 2018, 10:55
+0 -1
Fellow GNLUites, I want to stand in solidarity with those asking for nationalization of NLUs. Many of the comments are saying that a Twitter protest is just armchair activism and we need real, physical protests to really make it effectual. But from what I've heard, any kind of protest in or against GNLU administration leads to suspension/expulsion no holds barred. Can anyone corroborate this testimony?

Thanks.
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 02:13
+2 -1
Unfortunately, the protests will fail. There is too much disunity and rivalry among NLUs. Even though a united class boycott will have minimum effect on careers (as the majority of faculty are poor and students learn on their own) students of certain NLUs are known to be averse to protests and will not participate, such as NLSIU, GNLU and NLUJ. NLSIU may join in purely because the domicile quota bill is looming as the 2019 election approaches, but I doubt if GNLU and NLUJ ever will.
Lalu 28 Nov 2018, 02:49
+6 -0
To put pressure on the Modi government, NLU students can approach the following bodies/people:

IN BJP:
- Arun Jaitley: he makes announcements abut IITs and IIMs in the budget, and is currently seeking suggestions for the 2019 budget
- Vikramjeet Banerjee, Member of BJP Legal Cell; NLSIU alum and ex-NUJS professor


IN CONGRESS
- All India Professionals Congress (headed by Shashi Tharoor)
- Legal Cell (headed by Senior Advocate Vivek Tankha, who had mediated during the NLIU protests)
- National Students Union of India
Rabri 28 Nov 2018, 07:15
+2 -0
Very well suggested. BTW its Vikramjit Banerjee. And he is also a Senior Advocate of Supereme Court.
Loyola 28 Nov 2018, 04:53
+14 -0
[...] Whats the use of demonstrating inside the campus. [...] let them demonstrate in front of the state government and EC members residences. Can they court arrest? Can they face police action? [...] real student protests unlike DUSU. Who will see these beautiful SOS symbols? Not the people in power LOL
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 07:38
+1 -1
Agree with you that a Twitter protest is useless, but what you are suggesting is the last resort. First, an alumni petition should be filed and media publicity generated. Second, a PIL should be filed before the SC, a request should be made to the Governor to return the Bill with an observation that it should wait until the SC delivers its decision, and a similar request to the legislature to hold off the quota. Third, meetings should be sought with the CJI , Law and HRD Ministers, MPs, Senior Advocates and retired SC judges. In all these efforts, other NLUs should be requested to join in.

If the government ignores these developments and forces the quota, then the protests that you are suggesting should happen.
LLLL 28 Nov 2018, 05:46
+1 -0
A US website www.nationallawschoolconsortium.com already exists!
MMMM 28 Nov 2018, 10:46
+0 -0
Then make it as indiannationallawschoolconsortium.com
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 11:01
+3 -0
URGENT NOTICE: Shashi Tharoor and the Professionals Congress are organising an event this week with the top legal brains of the Congress attending. It is open to students (I got the info from my friend at JGLS, who is attending). Seats are limited and you have to register in advance. This may be an opportunity to raise the Nationalise NLUs issues.


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Guest 28 Nov 2018, 15:30
+1 -0
Now lets see how serious this coalition of NLUs is going to be. Will the respective SJA leaderships take precious days off their internship to attend and attempt to raise their question/demand, or not?

Smart money would say not. Happy to be proved wrong.

Has the SJA consortium written to Vikramjit Banerjee? His name was put across as a realistic access point to the ruling establishment 12 hours ago.

@Kian - reach out to the Twitter warriors and seek answers to these questions like you would do to a NLU admin when their credibility and efficiency is in question. I think both of these groups are cut-out of the same cloth; promise much and deliver little.

Popcorn's out.
Guest 28 Nov 2018, 16:08
+2 -0
The demand to nationalise NLUs originated in a similar joint statement made some years ago, also covered by LI. Nothing happened because the students were lethargic and disunited, and did not pursue the matter further. I am quite sure the same thing will happen here. Forget the CJI and Law Minister, not even the local councillor will receive a petition. This applies to all NLUs. All talk, no action.
Guest 29 Nov 2018, 02:01
+1 -0
ATTN all NLUs!! Economic Times is reporting that the government has waived the condition of UGC NET for faculty recruitment in law schools, if a candidate has a PhD from a top 500 university in the QS/Times rankings. In the past, some corrupt VCs had cited UGC NET as an excuse to keep NLU alumni with foreign PhDs out of teaching, hiring their own pet candidates instead. This can no longer happen, so NLUs facing a faculty problem should now point this out to their VCs.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/phd-holders-from-top-foreign-varsities-eligible-for-direct-recruitment-as-assistant-professor-ugc/articleshow/66847649.cms
Guest 29 Nov 2018, 06:50
+0 -0
It is a good development. However, it does not apply to law schools (I assume) as much. My assumption is based on my experience of knowing NALSAR over the last 8/10 years.

In this period, I think there has not been even one application to join by a PhD holder from a top 500 university.

Some people have come in with a LLM degree from a top 500 institutions, while others have left to read for a second LLM at these institutions. Also, I don't think any LLMs from a top 500 institution were rejected in this period. The last one to be rejected in this category would be Anup Surendranath in 2009 or 2010. He was snapped up by NLU-D in any case.
Guest 29 Nov 2018, 07:54
+12 -2
NUJS students have already questioned the credentials and UGC qualification of at least two faculty members having their masters from Columbia and Michigan and their LLB from NLUs too. Both are very good teachers having industry experience, but have been insulted by this badly enough so as to plan to leave. So let's not pretend it's always admin's fault. Students nowadays only want easy attendance and grades and anybody who doesn't bow down to such pressure are not welcome, regardless of qualification or ability.
silly 29 Nov 2018, 08:08
+0 -1
The UGC-NET was not required if the candidate had a Ph.D (even if it was from the most random university in world). Do some background research before rejoicing.

The problem was that there were not many people who had cleared the NET or had a Ph.D and wanted to teach at the law schools. To make things worse, even the NLUs started adopting the API score based system of evaluation for hiring people - this is a pathetic system which places emphasis on quantity over quality (i.e. someone who has shitty publications in some random journal can gather more points that someone with a publication even in Harvard Law Review). What needs to go is the UGC approach to hiring people.
Bhavna N. 29 Nov 2018, 05:09
+5 -1
This will not help law school too much. The so-called benefit is just for PhD holders, not LLM holders and how many foreign PhD holders actually come back and join Indian universities much less law schools? At the Top 3 law schools (NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUDelhi) there will be hardly 5 of them in total with PhD from a top 500 university. The deserving ones dont even need this benefit (Mrinal, Aparna, Anoop, Rahul Singh) as the law schools have already given them jobs long before this news.
Guest 30 Nov 2018, 08:03
+3 -0
You call this a protest? Strikes, boycotts and marches are protests, not this Twitter bullshit. Anyway, the EC will approve it next week, with the seal of the new VC. The SJA is clueless as usual.
Reporter 30 Nov 2018, 13:09
+6 -0
VC application deadline officially over. Law Minister and govt already picked their own candidate. Sham selection decision tomorrow. EC approval few days later, first day in office 1 January. Meanwhile, various TMC people being lined up to join the EC.
Guest 30 Nov 2018, 15:23
+2 -4
Decision isn't being taken tomorrow. The next EC meeting is a couple of weeks away at least. Stop spreading fake news.
Reporter 2 Dec 2018, 03:47
+1 -0
Not fake news, buddy. The decision has indeed been made through a sham process. A person from Bengal with pro-TMC leanings has been selected, and will be chosen even if there are more qualified candidates. The government knows very well that the good candidates will not challenge the appointment if they are looked over, as it is demeaning for them to do so, plus a big hassle to litigate in the Calcutta HC for those from outside the state. Moreover, going strictly by seniority, the decision is probably right.

Of course, the SJA anticipated this and released a statement (reported by LI) but we all know that the SJA is not then seriously.
Guest 1 Dec 2018, 09:46
+1 -0
Time is running out for both NLSIU and NUJS. Unless students and alumni unite and approach the SC, the domicile quota will come into effect for both colleges in a matter of weeks. Both the Kumaraswamy and Mamata governments are determined do this before the 2019 elections. Rao and the next NUJS VC are unlikely to oppose it. In Karnataka, it was actually the Congress which introduced the bill (seeking 30% reservation) and the BJP demanded that it be hiked to 50%, which was implemented. Thus, no political party will help the students. Only the SC can help.
Guest 1 Dec 2018, 12:33
+2 -0
On what legal ground is SC supposed to prevent the legislative amendments from taking place exactly? For the last time, these universities are created by state legislation, state has all the legal right to amend those and create domicile reservation if it wants to. Unless the central government gives them INI tag and changes their nature in some manner, the judiciary is not in a position to stop this. In fact, there are several precedents of the judiciary having approved domicile reservation in state universities, which is what the NLUs are at present, like it or not.
zoxa 2 Dec 2018, 06:38
+1 -0
NLSIU and other universities with CJI as Chancellor have to jointly approach the SC and seek a temporary stay until 2020, arguing that the CJI must first approve it. Then, backchannel efforts need to happen. NUJS can't fight a lone battle if other NLUs don't join.
Guest 2 Dec 2018, 03:54
+1 -1
This is just in. The state government has apparently communicated to the search comm that SS Chatterjee is their preferred candidate for VC. He's a CU professor and been its dean. He and CM are close too. Which probably explains why he pipped MKS and NKC at the last moment.
Spy 2 Dec 2018, 06:33
+2 -2
Background info on SSC:

1. Was allegedly probed for misconduct along with NKC (according to the Telegraph): https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/private-tuition-slap-for-two-university-teachers/cid/1119477

2. Currently principal of a small private law college in Kolkata (Heritage Law College):

https://www.apnnews.com/concord-2018-heritage-law-college-induction-and-orientation-programme-for-the-new-batch-of-students-commenced-today/

http://www.hlc.edu.in/Faculty.aspx

3. Was found to have acted in contempt of court by the Calcutta High Court regarding admissions. The then Chief Justice had observed: "The appellant ought to consider himself lucky that in addition to cost, fine or other penalty was not impose on him by the learned Single Judge by way of punishment."

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/160319901/

DISCLAIMER: I cannot comment on the veracity of third party links.
Guest 2 Dec 2018, 09:22
+0 -2
The application procedure for the NUJS VC can be challenged. The advertisement was copied from a similar one for IGNOU. However, the IGNOU application (and all other university applications) ask for a list of publications with citations, fellowships received etc (all links below). Thus NUJS advertisement just asks for a CV, without specifying what should go into the CV. The candidate has been decided through an arbitrary process. However, before Justice Mishra and the EC rubber-stamp their approval, a last-minute intervention by the SJA is possible.

http://www.nujs.edu/careers/nujs-vice-chancellor-oct18.pdf
http://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/IGNTU.pdf
http://ignou.ac.in/userfiles/Application%20format%20of%20Vice-Chancellor%201%20(1).pdf
Watcherr 2 Dec 2018, 11:32
+6 -0
LOLZ to the keyboard warriors of the SJA. It would have been better if they had kept PIB since he was the only one they would have been able to scare. They are learning now that playing the same game with learned Advocate General and Hon'ble Law Minister is quite different.
Guest 2 Dec 2018, 13:02
+2 -1
True, the people who actually wield power do not give a damn about the temper tantrums thrown by these immature kids. It's been almost two weeks since they have come to know of the Bill, which is an Act now. Has there been a single strike/demonstration apart from that pathetic SOS thing on Nov. 26? Things are going along just as usual. We all know the actual power that the SJA wields which is less than nothing at this point. Lord Taluk may still be humouring them on small and insignificant issues like attendance and repeat exams, but he has not yielded an inch where it matters so far. No credit course, no faculty recruitment, no review commission reforms, no NIRF/NAAC, no new Registrar, no punishment given to those who did all those scams and cover-ups. The SJA haven't even been shown the list of applicants for Registrar position yet though it's been over a month.
star 3 Dec 2018, 03:50
+2 -0
Totally agree. It is an ACT, not a BILL. Only the NLSIU law is a BILL, which is currently being resisted by the students. Here, the SJA will not do anything beyond meaningless Twitter protests. NOTHING will happen, a puppet VC has already been selected, and the SJA will accept the Act. Forget a judicial challenge, even a student and alumni petition to the Chancellor has not been prepared.
meme 2 Dec 2018, 13:03
+2 -0
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Guest 3 Dec 2018, 03:56
+1 -0
ATTN SJA: Luckily for NUJS, the deadline for NIRF submission has been extended till the end of this week. The placement data for 2018 means NUJS has a good shot at improving its rank, so please prod the admin to submit the data. Do something useful for a change! According to the methodology, 20% is devoted to Graduate Outcomes.

https://nirfcdn.azureedge.net/2018/framework/Law.pdf
https://www.nirfindia.org/Home
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 05:50
+0 -0
Not only does admin not have the data ready, chances of it getting ready within this time is less than non-existent.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 06:55
+0 -0
I disagree. Much of the stuff can be copy-pasted from last year. The only data that needs to be updated is placements, which the students have. Stuff like faculty achievements (publications, consultancies, fellowships) or corporate/government grants (research chairs, endowments, scholarships etc) don't need a lot of updating, as there is little activity happening.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 07:21
+0 -0
NIRF asks for year-specific data. So if there really is little happening on any front other than placement, won't it be a better move to sit this one out rather than apply and get an even lower rank? As someone said, placements account for only 20%.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 08:08
+0 -0
No. Because if you see the methodology NUJS was under-rated in placements and Jamia, NLUD, NLUJ and NASLAR over-rated last year (all ranked ahead of NUJS). Surely Jamia and NLUJ can be overtaken.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 05:49
+0 -0
I request everyone to please be patient. Action is being planned across NLUs. As for media coverage, the media rights now is busy with assembly elections. The results will be out on 11th, developments will be discussed till 15th or so, and then it is an opportune time to raise the issue in public.
Angry AF 3 Dec 2018, 08:31
+1 -0
We specifically submitted to the selection committee that the next VC should have experience at an NLU/top university and not be from a private university. Yet, the top shortlisted candidates included two people heading private law colleges, and two others from a poorly regarded university in Bengal (famous for awarding Rather Particular PhDs). We have nothing against Bengalis, e.g. NL Mitra was the second VC of NLSIU and founded NLUJ. But we have a big problem when you select Bengalis with poor qualifications just because they are going to serve the narrow agenda of a regional political party.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 11:34
+3 -1
Clearly the selection committee didn't care for your views. Puts you onto your right place too, doesn't it?
Fresher 123 3 Dec 2018, 11:01
+0 -0
Several messages are being sent on Whats App saying SS Chatterjee (Director of Heritage Law College, Kolkata) has been selected as the VC of NUJS. Can LI confirm whether this is true? If this is true, I think we should be told the following:

1) Who else applied?
2) Why was his research record/publications, admin experience and overall standing considered superior?
3) Was the article in the Telegraph with certain adverse information considered?

To follow up on point 2, I did some research and found the following:

1) On JSTOR (which stores foreign journals + Indian journals like EPW and JILI) I could not find any results for S S Chatterjee, except a science researcher by the same name.

2) On Hein Online (which stores all top foreign journals, as well as leading journals of NLUs), I found many articles authored by people with the surname Chatterjee, but none by SS Chatterjee.

3) Similar, I searched Westlaw and could not find anything.

4) Finally, Google Books and Google Scholar also draws a blank.

If my search was incorrect and someone can correct me, then I apologise in advance.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 11:35
+1 -0
His books have been published by Kamal Law House. You are expecting his articles to be cited on Hein and Jstor?
Fresher 1232 3 Dec 2018, 12:35
+1 -0
I just searched the website of Kamal Law House, but even there only books by other Chatterjees show up.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 14:08
+0 -0
This is his CV apparently.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwjvx5rM6oPfAhXJtI8KHdzSDw8QFjAAegQIAhAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fklgupta.in%2FKLGupta-Admin%2FCV%2F157_Curriculum-Vitae_SSC.docx&usg=AOvVaw1jwFSkP-oeP3azNccpgyx5
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 15:03
+0 -0
Thanks for sharing. Hilarious! Of course, the outcome was known all along. The govt and EC knew that the SJA can be easily fooled. Game, set and match to the govt and EC. Well played.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 11:06
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Guest 3 Dec 2018, 12:31
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Absolutely unacceptable if the rumour circulating is true. A strike and class boycott must be called. If the person does not leave voluntarily (as happened with PIB at CNLU) then the appointment can be challenged.
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 14:07
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Ghanta!
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 15:05
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TOI report on High Court petition against SSC: [i]"the ruling Trinamool, in its bid to bring the PSC under its grip, has appointed former North Bengal University vice-chancellor S S Chatterjee as the PSC board chairman." [/i]

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31812&articlexml=ROW-OVER-BOARD-CHAIRMAN-HC-puts-PSC-hiring-01072017007036
Guest 3 Dec 2018, 22:33
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To anyone who thinks PIB was better, please remember that it was he who actually started to politics the NUJS EC/GC and get TMC people in, to safeguard his position. In the Menon-Chimni-Singh years, very eminent lawyers and educationists were on the EC/GC.
Guest 4 Dec 2018, 03:59
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NLIU: Students vetoed the appointment of an under-qualified VC and got Vijaykumar appointed instead: https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nliu-students-red-light-allahabad-uni-s-bp-singh-as-new-director-choice-question-opacity-in-director-appointment-process-20180509-9337

CNLU: Students successfully got PIB's appointment reversed through protests
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/nujs-vc-ishwara-bhat-causes-campus-lockdown-at-cnlu-even-before-taking-seat-as-its-vc-00011130-9173

NUJS: Will the students have the same resolve?
Reporter 4 Dec 2018, 04:37
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A few days ago, I posted a comment (based on a source) saying that the VC candidate was decided on 30 Nov and it is a person close to the TMC. My source now tells me that the decision has now been endorsed by the search committee and the Chancellor in writing. A few days from now, a meeting will be held where a formal resolution will be passed. In fact, this person will be attending the meeting and formally welcomed as the new VC. Same with the Registrar's appointment.

At the meeting, not only will the domicile quota Act be implemented, but a resolution will be passed to open a new branch of NUJS in Asansol (the constituency of the law minister). For the remainder of the month, a plan will be made to fill in faculty and staff vacancies with TMC people. An advertisement will be issued and selections completed by the end of January.
Guest 4 Dec 2018, 09:19
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Some of this I've also got to know from another source. Not all of it though. This was quite enlightening. I have also heard that government people are keeping a close watch on those at NUJS including students. In case the protests there escalate, strong measures are also being planned against those who support or carry out the protests.
Save NUJS 4 Dec 2018, 10:37
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Apparently a Bengali news channel has announced the news in a news ticker, while people are saying that he will assume charge on Monday itself. There are court judgements striking down academic appointments on the basis of arbitrariness in procedure, and even without litigation the students were able to veto the VC appointments at NLIU and CNLU. However, we first need to know who else applied. In the present case, these questions would be relevant:

1. Should the advertisement have laid down better criteria? For example, the GNLU advertisement is also quite brief, but it still uses the following terms: "published works of high quality", "highest levels of competence, integrity and morals", "letter of recommendations" needed.

2. Should the search committee have asked applicants to disclose past misconduct and litigation faced?

3.Should the search committee have asked for a list of publications and assessed weightage according to the repute of the publication?

4. Should the search committee have interviewed all candidates?

5. Should the search committee have considered the SJA submission?

6. All advertisements ask for a soft copy and hard copy. Why were only hard copies asked for by post? For example, this makes it difficult to annex all your journal publications.

7. Lastly, was the manner in which the search committee constituted unlawful, as there was no academician in the list and a TMC man was removed after student intervention?
Breaking Bad 4 Dec 2018, 18:31
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Why are we acting very surprised with the turn of events? Strongly recommend that screengrabs et al be done because these links may vanish.

If the Education Minister and CM have these histories, any surprise why SS Chatterjee is the pick?

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/dr-same-same-chatterjee/cid/1489382 (scroll down for a gem on CM)

Why Rather Particular or anyone Sensible can be complacent about plagiarism?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Copy-paste-barb-at-Dr-Parthas-thesis/articleshow/51818007.cms

Diversity, that too sexual, what's that? Coming up culture police on campus.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/kolkata-education-minister-partha-chatterjee-against-lesbianism-in-school

Previous attempts to draft in regime friendly folks in the GC, EC and AC -

https://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/national/mamata-astrologer-to-law-university-s-general-council-7533.html

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/artist-suvaprasanna-rejects-nujs-acad-a-exec-council-posts-after-row-in-legal-circles-20120925-3134

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/suvaprasanna-rejects-nujs-post-offered-by-govt/1007481/0

And the new round of apparatchiks begins with -

http://www.millenniumpost.in/kolkata/kargil-war-veteran-2-others-join-trinamool-congress-277419

Not to forget our dear Lord Taluk, apparatchik-in-chief. Seriously believe that he or Registrar "did not know" about the Amendments? We believe him. What does he intend to do beyond the obvious?

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/bengal-govt-employees-have-right-to-da-hc/cid/1664941

The government does not have money but will litigate for years. As does NUJS by bleeding students dry. IOUs being settled at our expense?

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/calcutta-high-court-declares-dearness-allowance-a-legal-right-1909503

Have a spine? Look elsewhere

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/i-resigned-to-keep-my-spine-firm-says-bengals-former-advocate-general/articleshow/57213834.cms

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/law-officer-quits-police-officer-shifted-mitra-leaves-amid-talk-of-sniping/cid/332502

"Cooked up" charges against Stars of Bengal - SS Chatterjee and NKC

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/private-tuition-slap-for-two-university-teachers/cid/1119477

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31812&articlexml=ROW-OVER-BOARD-CHAIRMAN-HC-puts-PSC-hiring-01072017007036

Of course they want to occupy NUJS and peddle student admissions, faculty and staff recruitments, construction tenders et al. Do we let them? CNLU, NLIU and HNLU students stood firm. Why aren't we having our own #OccupyNUJS?
Guest 5 Dec 2018, 03:03
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These are great links, thanks for sharing. To this, we can add the Indian Kanoon link shared earlier, convicting SSC for contempt of court. The SJA made a massive mistake by placing trust in the admin and the EC (which Bhat filled in with TMC people). A lockdown protest like at NLIU and HNLU is the only way out (not the one-day bullshit protest that happened against PIB). It will be of great help if other NLUs, especially NLSIU can join in and make it a larger #NationaliseNLUs protest. Only this will attract attention from the government/SC/legal community/media. NLSIU has a vested interest too, as their domicile quota may be activated before the 2019 elections.

The official announcement regarding SSC will be made this week and he will start next week, so there is very little time.
Guest 5 Dec 2018, 06:53
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If we do a law school ranking based on which law school has done the best and most effective protest, this is how it would look:

1. NALSAR (against Veer Singh)
2. HNLU (against Sukhpal)
3. NLIU (against SSS)
4. NLU Ranchi (against Nirmal)
5. NUJS (against Bhat)
6. CNLU (against Lakshminath)
7.NLU Guwahati (against VKS)
#OccupyNUJS 5 Dec 2018, 07:16
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Yes, time is running out. Another blow is in the offing in the next EC whenever they call one. I am sure as with the last EC, this one will also be scheduled when students are vacating the campus or have left already. That's what has been happening under Lord Taluk. EC, AC etc are held when students are busy with exams et al. The VC and Registrar are political appointees and need to go.

Assuming that they did not know about the Bill, what have they done about it? Have they convened a faculty meeting or a joint meeting with the students to discuss this sudden move by the Govt. This means that at the very least they support the amendment. That makes sense. I have heard strong rumours concerning the nativist and sexist thinking and views of both the VC and Registrar and Justice League as well.

Lord Taluk and Registrar need to be ousted. I am sure they consider themselves invincible having bested SJA and students thus far. Whether the amendment is reversed, put on hold but nothing good can happen to this university while these two political collaborators continue in their present stations. We need to expose how Lord Taluk and his team have methodically destroyed our university. We have become a joke.

#OmitTalukdar #SikhaSentPacking
Guest 5 Dec 2018, 07:38
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Next ec meeting will happn on Dec 22.
Correspondent 5 Dec 2018, 08:24
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Many have commented here that PIB was a lesser evil and SJA should not have ousted him. The reality is that SJA power is overstated. Was there a big value addition in 2018 petitions to what was submitted against PIB in 2016? The entire EC backed him for a second term then. PIB left because the state faction in the EC wanted him out. He had failed to deliver. They had Lord Taluk installed and he delivered. The university is in a great spot now for political takeover.

We all know that the VC selection is a farce. So why should things be different for Registrar, AO and FO positions? We are likely to see this Registrar continue and regime supporters becoming AO and FO. Please note that the VC and Registrar play key roles in the selection of AO, FO and other admin positions.

So even if by some miracle Lord Taluk were to actually leave (are we sure he will not be retained through Chair position or something else? I mean he has been so useful to this Govt as SAT chairperson; then as VC; surely elsewhere as well) and due to student intervention we get MKS or some "outsider" the triad of Registrar, AO and FO will ensure that person runs away or breaks bread with them.

This means that at a minimum we need make these two apparatchiks leave. They along with select faculty have ensured that no good soul ever applies here for VC. Faculty recruitments in future will also be a farce if this set up continues.

@Guest not sure what methodology you used for the ranking but I agree NALSAR got the best deal after protesting against VS. They got FM and I am sure it is not all rosy but NALSAR is doing great under FM.

At NLIU, the students were almost done in. If they didn't have the RMLNLU data sheet I doubt they could have done much. The state couldn't have pressed on after that exposure. It is still early days for VK.

HNLU should be commended for standing firm despite the SC order and active state support for Dukhpal. But the jury is still out on whether their interim VC will do a Lord Taluk and what will the HC do then? After dispatching Dukhpal what else has been happening?

I would rate NUJS, HNLU and CNLU in the same bracket because they all have former HC judges who have been installed by the state as interim VCs and none have shown (early days for HNLU) any serious intent to clean up and have a fair, transparent VC selection.

NLU Assam got a new VC but nothing much thereafter. And NLU Ranchi should be at the bottom because while the students ousted BC Nirmal they have been suffering a Judicial Officer (not retired HC judge) for the longest period; students faced police action and threats of charges et al.

NLU Ranchi is a cautionary tale for all NLUs but especially NUJS. You missed RMLNLU
Breaking Bad 5 Dec 2018, 11:14
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https://www.livelaw.in/where-will-the-judges-sit-and-work-sc-rebukes-wb-govt-calcutta-hc-for-lackadaisical-approach-towards-the-severely-inadequate-judicial-infrastructure-in-the-state/

CJI Gogoi put it right - the Calcutta High Court is in deep slumber. This court over the last few hours has seen either local ACJs being made CJs because they would retire soon or judges from other states being allowed to retire as ACJs.

All the local ACJs who became CJs are regime friendly judges. The first became SHRC Chairperson (is also on NUJS GC) on retirement. SHRC Chair is a sensitive position and remained vacant even since Justice Ashok Ganguly had to resign due to SH charges. The more recently retired CJ is a known regime suck up. Even tried to get his brother elevated to Calcutta HC. And the latest (also on our EC and VC search committee) has begun to realise the benefits of grass being Greener on the other side.

The CJI anguish also tells a great deal about other gems - two judicial officers (both recently elevated to the Calcutta HC)- one in the EC and the other who was till recently yet another Registrar (Acting) at NUJS. If they are such sloths and yet get elevated to the Bench, can we not assume political favours being traded?

I support #OccupyNUJS #OmitTalukdar #SikhaSentPacking. Down with #(In)JusticeTalukdar
Gowrakshak 5 Dec 2018, 12:54
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It is strange that on one hand students are agitating against the NUJS Amendment Act but on the other hand they are sweetly playing faculty / students cricket match with the same jokers in the faculty who conspired with the W.B. Govt. to pass the domicile quota at NUJS. These two-faced evils should be shamed by a dharna and posters.
Sports Com member 5 Dec 2018, 14:13
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What, do that and let go of last minute attendances, inflated grades, flowery reco letters and get-out-of plagiarism charges cards? What are we, stupid?
Guest 5 Dec 2018, 14:45
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Your mail assumes that: a) there is unanimity within the student body, and b) that students wish for meritocratic faculty, instead of mediocre faculty who gift marks. Both assumptions are wrong.
Armchair Advisor 6 Dec 2018, 01:17
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One way to fight the government is if:

1. The students can officially confirm all the applicants.
2. Then, write to the Chancellor, EC and GC explaining who has the best CV and why.
3. Then, this submission gets "leaked" to LI and Bar & Bench.
4. Then, the mainstream newspapers pick up the story.

If a sham VC is still appointed, these developments will make it easier to argue that the process was arbitrary and the submission of the students should have been considered.

And if the students are completely ignored and a lockout like NLIU/HNLU happens, the following could be requested by the students to mediate:

1. Madhava Menon, MP Singh. Mohan Gopal.

2. Serving judges: Justice Dipankar Datta (known critic of government), Justice Joymalya Bagchi (convicted SSC of contempt), Justice PP Banerjee (already ruled against NUJS and is aware of state of affairs), and any other HC judge who is not a judicial service promotee or approaching retirement soon.

3. Two immediate former AGs, who are very respected senior lawyers and not biased like the present guy (Anindya Mitra and Jayanta Mitra, the latter is also charing the HC Bar Library Club and is familiar with issues at NUJS).

4. Justice Ruma Pal

5. A leading SC/HC lawyer. Someone like Vikramjit Banerji (who was once an assistant professor at NUJS) would be ideal. Other top lawyers from Bengal are Madhavi Diwan, Gourab Banerji, Debal Banerji, SN Mookherjee and Sudipto Sircar.

6. The newly appointed Director of IIM Cal (who is an ex officio member anyway). As she has a tenured positioning the US, she does not need to appease anyone in India (certainly not the Trinamul Congress).
https://www.iimcal.ac.in/director’s-message
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 04:33
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You keep throwing these names out over and over again. There's absolutely no reason why these people should lift a single finger to help students of NUJS. Over the past few years, the student community has not endeared itself to people outside and have projected quite an unattractive impression of themselves as an entitled lot. The only goodwill left is because of alumni mostly and those people don't really care much about what happens at the alma mater anymore barring the occasional disapproval exhibited at the bad press. So none of the people mentioned would try to mediate or anything of the sort. The students are not going to go for an all-out strike either anymore. These are just token opposition being displayed. The new VC will take charge soon, appoint a new registrar from among a group of state-sympathisers and things will go along just as they are doing now. So long as attendance and repeat examinations and pass marks are being provided, the bulk of the GB cannot be stoked into showing any form of protest. The SJA has little strategic or tactical sense either how to fight battles with seasoned politicians and will keep getting played just as it has been throughout this year.
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 03:05
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[Image removed - appeared to be trolling fake news]
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 04:35
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Must be one of the cricket-playing faculty members who made such atrocious claims. Well, the students keep tolerating all these jokers for their own ulterior motives, what's one joker more or less?
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 05:07
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Where has this been published exactly?
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 13:34
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In an alarming decision, Justice T Chakrabaorty of the Calcutta High Court has just denied Amit Shah permission to carry out a rally in Bengal. The AG Kishore Dutta represented the government. The counsel for the BJP was Mr Anindya Mitra, ex-AG. The BJP has said that they will challenge the decision before the division bench and expect to get it overruled . Read between the lines, and you will find information relevant to the situation at NUJS --- who the students can/cannot expect support from.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/west-bengal-government-denies-permission-to-amit-shahs-rath-yatra/articleshow/66968947.cms

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bjp-denied-permission-for-amit-shahs-rath-yatra-by-calcutta-high-court-1958802
Guest 6 Dec 2018, 14:16
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Why is the decision alarming? That blight in the name of a human being shouldn't be allowed to venture anywhere near the state. He only brings division, death and destruction wherever he goes anyway.
GNLU chatra 7 Dec 2018, 10:47
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Agreed. These 'rath yatras' do nothing but spread disharmony and disturb the peace.
Guest 7 Dec 2018, 04:26
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Law minister RS Prasad and HRD minister Javadekar are responsible for not granting INI status to NLUs and making them like IITs. These two clowns have not uttered a word on the various NLU protests,
Guest 8 Dec 2018, 03:28
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Very interesting news: Media is reporting today that DU and IIT KGP will get Eminence status. Both of them have 3 year LLB law schools. As each Eminence university will get 1,000 crores, this means that at least 30 to 50 crores of funding + complete autonomy in faculty hiring and syllabus framing is going to these minor 3 year law schools. Meanwhile, the flagship 5 year NLUs have zero funding, limited autonomy, and are being burdened with quotas. In the case of IIT, their law school just has 50 students a batch and it is an IP law degree open to those with BTech degrees, so not even an inclusive law school like DU. This will surely energise the #NationaliseNLUs protest.
calm down and think 9 Dec 2018, 02:44
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dear friend. NLUs are nothing more than undergraduate focused teaching institutions that grant degrees and hence is a university.
The academic output of these institutions are quire poor and mostly below average (i agree that some of them, like NLUD is doing a better job).

Institutes of eminence is a tag meant for universities proper - with multiple departments and a significant amount of research output. The NLUs perform poorly on both of these metrics. There is also a problem of lack of diversification in academic pursuits. There is only law and more law. There are some social science teachers - but no capable social scientist prefers to work at an NLU (they prefer to work at places where their discipline gets more focus and respect. A consequence is that some poor quality or second grade persons are available at NLUs for social sciences. This then impacts any possibility of meaningful research or academic contributions that they can give.

Yes, NLU Graduates are good and they do well professionally - but that does not make it deserve an Institute of Eminence Tag. There has to be much more of serious research output for that to happen. Please note that the IITS or DU are not getting the IOE because they have placements - its primarily because of tier research output. the idea of developing IOE framework was to promote some Universities and help them break into global rankings. Single department universities like the NLUs wont make it to those lists and hence there is no point in spending IOE money on them.

I see no point in arguing for an IOE tag for NLUs. let us be more reasonable and press for some special package or some special assistance. that makes more sense.
Guest 9 Dec 2018, 08:33
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Actually, not a single IIT has been shortlisted for the IOE even this time around. Nor has places like JNU, which does produce considerable amount of good quality research in social sciences etc. Jindal has been among the private ones, though one wonders what is the actual research output they have had exhibited so far. The whole concept of IOE is flawed. One needs to focus on universities which have potential but can't do well because of funds instead of spending funds on institutes already doing well. And the 'greenfield' idea is nothing but laughable nepotism, giving crony capitalism one of its finest crowning moments.
Guest 10 Dec 2018, 03:54
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You are wrong. The IOE committee had originally recommended 8 public universities, including 5 IITs. Only 3 were granted the status. Now they have recommended a further 7 public universities. No IITs are mentioned in these 7, but that's because they already recommended the top 5 IITs before. Thus, a total of 15 public and 15 private have now been recommended.
Guest 9 Dec 2018, 10:45
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Not IOE but at least INI status must be given. Furthermore, just as NIFT is governed by the ministry of textiles, NLUs must be governed by the law ministry. This will lead to an organised system of judicial clerkships and synchronisation with the proposed Indian Judicial Service. Remember also that IOE status is not just about money but independence from government regulation. More than material comforts this is what the #NationaliseNLUs movement wants.
GNLU chatra 10 Dec 2018, 05:55
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I sure hope so.
Guest 8 Dec 2018, 12:28
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Justice AK Ganguly is the one high-level, anti-Mamata person who could have spoken out, but the foolish SJA protested and humiliated him and threw him out of NUJS (at the behest of an academician who is more interested in publicity than teaching). I am not defending what the SH incident, but compare with what happened with another judge, who was protected by the court and today visits law schools and gives lectures freely.
samuell 9 Dec 2018, 10:59
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Check this out guys. The Institutes of Eminence Committee has recommended a separate tag of "Institute of Excellence" for some specialised colleges that applied for Institutes of Eminence status but are not big enough to deserve it. These are IIM, ISI, TISS, ICT and ICAR. But the committee missed out NLUs because no NLU applied to the committee for IOE status.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/expert-panel-recommends-12-institutions-for-eminence-status/story-vfO5TfTNmCg3ckdLuW0mRO.html
Guest 9 Dec 2018, 16:28
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The SJA had an issue with PIB for having suppressed the Review Commission Report for around 4 months. Which they were right to have found problematic. But it has been 11 months now since SJA has had access to the report. So far, not even a single recommendation made in that report has been implemented. Not even the ridiculously easy ones including the internal academic reforms. The AC, EC and people in charge are just sitting on the recommendations and having meeting after meeting without any real step forward. But the SJA is no longer showing any agitation, nor discussing with the GB about strict steps forward. First they thought the interim admin will take steps, now they think the new admin will wield the magic wand. Not sure whether they are simply being impossibly naive or just plain stupid. This clearly shows that the agenda was only to remove PIB whose continuing presence the state was not in favour of, rather than to actually improve the conditions of the institution. If not, the SJA should simply have the guts to tell Lord Taluk to implement the recommendations that are within his power even as an interim VC or else leave to enjoy his judicial pension in peace in his dotage. These student reps are just pawns of the people playing their own power games!
Guest 10 Dec 2018, 08:11
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There will be a shitstorm if JGLS finally gets IOE status. It will mean that the government is denying freedom from the UGC and other autonomy to NLUs but giving it to a private law school for the rich.
Guest 10 Dec 2018, 10:57
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It seems that one of the people being discussed here has published in a journal by a publisher listed as a predatory publisher. The article was "co-authored" with a PhD student.

https://beallslist.weebly.com

http://rfppl.co.in/view_editorial_details.php?id=1719
Guest 12 Dec 2018, 16:32
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With Modi govt being humbled in the election and 2 months left for the election, this is a perfect time to demand INI status for NLUs.
Guest 12 Dec 2018, 17:37
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Why does the Wikipedia page of NUJS mention Amit [b]TAIMUR[/b] as the VC? There are also many other mistakes and outdated info on the page. A bad website and a bad Wikipedia page do not convey a good impression of the college.
#AmitTaimurLame 13 Dec 2018, 05:14
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Well said. Amit Taimur. This is better than whoever gave him the moniker Lord Taluk or Lord Justice. And he is definitely Amit Taimur the Lame for the lame excuses he keeps making and not because of any injuries (he has none and he is Teflon coated by the AG). He will beg to differ though and state the (false) injuries that have been caused to him by us.

An illustrative list of Taimur's lame excuses -

1. He is not here by choice (but chooses to stay on and destroy NUJS)

2. He can resign and leave anytime (but hasn't because his assigned mission is yet to be completed. Dec 22 is the D-day).

3. He is saving us tons of money (pray how? - not taking remuneration?)

4. He is an old man sent here to make NUJS (a) great (joke)

5. He didn't know about NUJS amendment Bill (killer deadpan lie)
Guest 13 Dec 2018, 05:57
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I can't understand why the list of VC applicants can't be shared. It is not confidential information. If NLIU students could get it why not NUJS? If the list is shared we can immediately determine who has a better CV in terms of admin experience or scholarship, as well as who has faced disciplinary inquiries and/or court convictions.

We just know from hearsay that the following have applied:

1 .SSC (govt first choice favourite)
2. NKC (govt second choice favourite)
3. 3 from North Bengal (govt dark horse favourites)
4. MKS (best CV of the lot, but govt will oppose)

If this was Jadavpur University they would just lock up the VC in his office until the info was shared.
Guest 13 Dec 2018, 14:26
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Because the SJA are too chicken to demand it.
Guest 14 Dec 2018, 11:38
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SJA ex president has written an article in the Wire against Talukdar https://thewire.in/law/legislating-national-out-of-national-law-universities-in-west-bengal
Guest 14 Dec 2018, 12:17
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Kian may censor this again, but this same guy had given Talukdar a glowing welcome in writing, calling him a breath of fresh air. He is like a vintage politician, knows which camp to choose depending on which way the wind is blowing. At least part of NUJS' current problems are because of him and the ham-handed way he encouraged students to rejoice openly at PIB's shift to CNLU and later making him resign immediately without any successor.
Correct 14 Dec 2018, 18:18
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Spot on, my friend. But then, why isn't the present SJA prez being more assertive against Talukdar and the EC?
#OccupyNUJS 14 Dec 2018, 13:32
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Sure he may have been effusive but why single him out or SJA? I am sure many in the GB expected Lord Taluk to clean up the mess quickly. That he had a hidden agenda and was going to act as a political agent was really not expected. But once he was exposed what have we as GB demanded from SJA? We don't even take GB meetings seriously. There are limitations to what the SJA can do and we cannot forget that last time the state was keen to throw out PIB. But now they want Taluk to remain and ensure a smooth handover to another political lackey.

Forget SJA. Will the GB actually stay back till Dec 22 and enforce #OccupyNUJS? Everyone wants freedom, autonomy et al. But how many of us are willing to pay the price? Why haven't we publicly called out the SJA faculty advisors? What have they done to help us?
Guest 14 Dec 2018, 14:38
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The [...] faculty advisor has apparently gone to the law minister and pledged his support for domicile quota, government deciding entry and fees, additional campuses and everything else if only the minister helps him get rid of his tormentors belonging to the other faction.
Guest 14 Dec 2018, 18:16
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In 2013, over 400 alumni had signed a petition against PIB to the Chancellor, at the request of the SJA.

https://www.change.org/p/chief-justice-of-india-to-seek-urgent-intervention-against

The SJA chose not to submit the petition in the end (BIG MISTAKE) but at least they took the initiative of reaching out to alumni. I can't understand why the present SJA is not even bothering to contact alumni and ask them to sign a petition. It will be too late by the time the EC approves the domicile quota and puppet VC.
Guest 15 Dec 2018, 07:27
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Both are happening one week from now, on 22nd. The new VC will probably approve the Asansol campus too shortly and allow the domiciled candidates to be taken in via 12th marks that makes tinkering by the state even easier. One gets to hear occasional disturbing things about even another elite NLU like NLUD about the occasional student intake every year. That's the problem with a standalone entry process instead of an all-India one, you cannot completely discount state/local interference.
O 15 Dec 2018, 08:24
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What do you mean "probably"? Everything has been decided: puppet VC and Registrar, domicile quota, faculty from local colleges etc. It os just a formality. The name of the new VC has already been mentioned here.
Guest 15 Dec 2018, 17:02
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And SJA is still busy writing injured and whiny mails to Lord Taluk about why it should be shown minutes to EC meetings. Keyboard warriors, all.
Guest 14 Dec 2018, 18:20
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The problem of a stooge VC taking over is very worrying, because several other NLUs either have vacancies or will have them soon. The good candidates may head to these NLUs right away or bide time till 2020, instead of coming to NUJS. The advertisement for the new VC should have been challenged right away for vagueness in language and for ignoring the student representation.
Mea Culpa 15 Dec 2018, 18:00
+1 -1
The SJA folks didn't anonymize (unlike our faculty) themselves in articles that were critical of the NUJS amendment. They face the FC, AC, EC head on. Should we fete them for all this and more? Absolutely not. It's part of their job.

But what have we done? How many came for the recent GB? Sure the SJA leadership is insipid. Maybe they should have done a vigorous door-to-door campaign; chai (or some other substance) pey charchas; mohalla sabha inspired stuff...but clearly they didn't. But if they are keyboard warriors what are we - talking heads on LI? Armchair pundits?

Did we spontaneously do any black-band, yellow vest et al stuff in the class after exams? Did we call out our dear faculty for their covert collaboration with state agents, including the VC? Do we really need SJA authorisation to do any of this?

@ Guest 56.1.1.1 If the SJA were to request us to stay back; return from internships; cancel vacations plans and stay put till we make ourselves heard by the powers that be...how many of us will be willing to do that? I know at least two people who wouldn't - you and I
Guest 16 Dec 2018, 02:39
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So basically what you are saying is that a lacklustre student population deserves a defanged SJA. Then why this kolaveri di? Let things go on as they are right now and the government and the authority do whatever they plan to. Meanwhile you all can netflix and chill.
Guest 16 Dec 2018, 06:12
+2 -0
At least part of your comments reveal your immaturity and lack of experience in real world matters. Are you honestly wondering why the SJA representatives can write articles in their own name, while faculty members choose to remain anonymous? The latter are employees of the institution and speaking out openly against the government is not an option unless they have a body or union of their own! That's a privilege students enjoy, which is why protests are usually student-centric. I am not from NUJS, but if you have even got faculty who are willing to express their displeasure at least anonymously, then consider yourself lucky, my friend! As for the mode of expressing displeasure, trust me that writing thousand notes on Wire and Quint aren't going to achieve anything concrete short of active protest and boycott. Authority is very good everywhere at ignoring everything that doesn't suit their agenda. There I agree with you that the onus is with the students as a whole, not the SJA only. But if the students don't do that, then they simply don't have any further locus to say why things are going so horribly wrong. Look at GNLU students for instance, they couldn't stage any such protest for several reasons and hence BimPa finished his full tenure there.
Guest 15 Dec 2018, 19:42
+0 -0
can't understand why the SJA keeps trusting someone who is clearly their enemy.
Mea Culpa 16 Dec 2018, 12:37
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I am aware of "real world matters" That is the reason why I said that I do understand the compulsions of Guest 56.1.1.1 to engage in keyboard warrior tactics (while criticizing it). I also mentioned that many, including myself and very likely Guest 56.1.1.1 will not sacrifice our vacations, internships et al to make ourselves heard. And yes, if we remain disjointed as we are right now, even an inspired SJA can do little.

That SJA has been checkmated has been obvious for many months now. What's the use of flogging a dead horse? Wearing black-bands, doing silent protests and vigils et al do not require SJA authorisation. I may not have all the details but apparently the HNLU protests snowballed after certain female students protested against inaction on SH issues. Where is the spontaneity here? We have had so many triggers but nothing got us to do anything.

If this SJA has been failing why have we not removed them or imposed our demands and ensure that they follow through? And if they are not doing anything useful now, why did we not give them hell in the GB? Better still why not do our thing with or without SJA?

Faculty here are permanent. And even then they do not have spine. The so-called lack of formal association doesn't inhibit them from forming one (more likely to be used for self-serving purposes at the expense of students) or doing the right thing. Did we not see how quickly some started posturing differently the moment they knew PIB had resigned. You will see them do all this again if we succeed this time as well.

Our collective cowardice (myself included) reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niemoller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Or alternatively in Potter lingo soon we will need to choose between what is right and what is easy. We know the choice that the faculty has made. Do we follow suit? Many among us have. Maybe it is safer and "intelligent" to have a herd mentality.
Breaking News 17 Dec 2018, 17:18
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http://www.epaper.eisamay.com/Details.aspx?id=45113&boxid=39397
Guest 17 Dec 2018, 20:02
+0 -0
Thanks for sharing. For non-Bengali speakers, it speaks about the online course fiasco and says that Talukdar and Sen refuel to comment. It is simply unacceptable that these two refuse to speak to the media. The SJA needs to pass a resolution against them.
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 04:26
+6 -0
The reporter hasn't bothered doing much of a research or investigation and given a half-baked account as usual. Basically what's expected of mainstream media these days.
Mea Culpa 18 Dec 2018, 07:35
+4 -6
For the given space and word limits the reporter has done a good job. The highlighted points are -

1. The distance and online education courses were run without UGC approval; in collaboration with private, profit making entities (doesn't matter if the partners were govt or non-profit)

2. The conniving Univ faculty/staff misled and kept the AC and EC in the dark

3. That the matter came to light when students in regular courses (read SJA) produced the evidence of wrongdoing and connivance before the AC and EC which directed the Univ to suspend such courses.

4. However for unknown reasons despite such directions in early May 2018, the Univ (through the AR Academic) uploaded a notice only towards end-June 2018. During this time, the Univ apparently kept collecting admission fees et al from new candidates.

5. Repeated calls and emails to the Univ authorities (VC, Registrar, AM and AR Academic) have had not yielded any response (typical Talukdar way of doing things)

6. Aggrieved distance education students demand that at a minimum NUJS should refund their money. But NUJS authorities remain tight-lipped

7. The former SJA President has been quoted as having said that the as and when the Univ refunds the money to distance education students, it should recover the same from guilty officials (this point was made in the SJA petitions as well)

8. The reporter had sought comments from Lord Taluk and Registrar. But they did not respond (as expected)

Unless you are one of those conniving fellows, I don't see the report being half-baked. But I agree the vernacular press should do more detailed stories on the mess at NUJS..the full monty perhaps?
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 11:09
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Let's take all the points you've made one after another.
1. Running a course without UGC approval isn't illegal, so long as the students of that course are aware of that fact. In this case, students were made to give an undertaking to such effect. NLSIU Bangalore had been running their MABL course without UGC approval for years.

2. Every action regarding the courses had been sanctioned by AC and EC. That's simply how things work at NUJS, which is why if the members of those bodies choose not to take a decision, nothing happens here. As has been seen over the past few months. If anyone is to be held culpable, then those members are equally so.

3. The students lack the basic concept of research. That's why their petitions have failed to distinguish between online courses and the other part time courses NUJS runs on its own. All the problems students had raised like faculty getting tied up teaching elsewhere or student help being taken to prepare sub standard material apply to the latter, not the online courses. Not a single student who have ever taken the online courses has raised any complaint about their quality. Of anything, their material is far superior to what NUJS students get from their faculty for most regular courses, since that material was prepared by people involved in the industry. The only issue could have been about the revenue share, but since NUJS contributed very little to the online courses apart from lending its brand, there's a limit to the share of the revenue it could claim anyway.

4, 5, 6, 8: Don't disagree with any of them. The problem is, Lord Takuk realised after starting the inquiry that none of the so-called evidence of wrongdoing that you refer to is evidence of an actionable wrong, so despite hating the Injustice League who mostly were in charge of these courses, he's been unable to take any action by way of inquiry.

7. That bigmouth kept making such nonsensical comments when he was in NUJS and has continued doing so even now. His claim shows his lack of knowledge about law and logic, which nobody who knew him as a student ought to find surprising. University has used the money taken from the courses for itself and stopped the courses and denied certificate to those students on behest of a faction of misled regular students. Why on earth should it 'recover' the money from elsewhere? It's not if the money from those courses have gone to the faculty, who get a minuscule fixed annual sum for coordinating a course regardless of revenue from it. Again, in the absence of any illegality, which happens to be case regardless of all the'evidence' you refer to, it's clear that the Taluk admin has made the knee jerk reaction of stopping all courses and certificates without any ground just to appease SJA and its demands lacking foundation. Now they are stuck with litigations and arbitrations and don't know where to go.

The report is half baked because the reporter hasn't bothered to find out any fact by talking to people who actually knows the issue instead of dikelola managing to talk to an ex-student several states away. The report also makes it seem as if regular students have filed the suits. Whereas the truth is regular students in the shape of SJA are more to blame for bringing unfounded allegations led by a faction of the faculty against another. Now NUJS keeps losing a crore in revenue because of that and facing litigation costs and resultant student fee hikes. You sow what you reap. The mess is very real, just that some people including faculty and students now want to distance themselves from it.
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 13:01
+0 -1
Big developments expected next few days!!
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 15:03
+4 -1
New VC to be announced on Saturday and 7th Pay Commission to be approved for employees. Not much else immediately. But the new VC will have to give in to government demands soon enough, that's the deal. Contrary to expectations, EC isn't going to take any call on the Amendment Bill or Review Commission recommendations in this meeting.
Scoop 18 Dec 2018, 15:15
+0 -1
Here is the list of VC applicants according to a source. Can anyone verify if it is true? There is some uncertainty over whether the 65 years age limit is extendable.

1. Prof NK Chakrabarti from KIIT (ex-CU)
2. Prof SS Chatterjee from Heritage Law College, Kolkata (ex-CU HOD)
3. Prof JK Das, HOD, CU Law department
4. Prof Bhrigu Nath Pandey, Dean, School of Law, Adamas University, Kolkata (ex-HOD, BHU)
5. Prof Rathin Bandopadhyay, HOD, North Bengal University Law department
6. Prof Gangotri Chakraborty, Professor, North Bengal University Law department
7. Prof Sanjeev Kumar Tiwari, Professor and HOD, Burdwan University Department of Law
8. Prof Ali Mehdi from BHU (ex-North Bengal)
9. Prof Sukhpal Singh Yadav (ex-HNLU VC)
10. Prof SS Singh (ex-NLIU VC)
11. Prof Madhu Sudan Dash, HOD, Utkal University Department of Law
12. Prof JS Patil, VC, NLU Assam
13. Prof K I Vibhute, ex-HOD, Pune University Law faculty
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 16:19
+0 -0
No, most of these people haven't applied.
PA 18 Dec 2018, 16:20
+4 -1
Humko kya? Humko toh bas gappe marna aur ungli karna hai!
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 19:48
+5 -1
Please disinvite Timur the Lame from future IDG events. Thanks.
Guest 18 Dec 2018, 19:51
+9 -2
This photo sums up a lot.

[img]https://i.imgflip.com/2pa7jn.jpg[/img]
Guest 19 Dec 2018, 03:43
+5 -1
This is just in. The VC has apparently confessed to some close members of the Justice League that none of the inquiries he has been running is going anywhere because of lack of evidence and legal wrongdoing and he may even advise the new VC to phase them out or drop them altogether once the SJA is appeased by sops close to exam like last-minute attendance etc. We all knew this was going to happen eventually anyway.
Guest 19 Dec 2018, 08:47
+1 -1
NKC and SSC are likely to be the final two contenders for VC. Govt will be happy with any of them.
Guest 20 Dec 2018, 04:04
+5 -4
According to a well placed state government official, MKS is now the new hot favorite after he came to Kolkatta and met the CM and law minister. The minister may even get changed in the next couple of weeks and that may ease the pressure for additional campuses and domicile quota.
Guest 20 Dec 2018, 05:41
+3 -1
Today Arjun Agarwal has again written an article (in the Statesman) saying that the amendment bill is unconstitutional and also criticising Amit Talukdar . I would like to know why he did not previously call for a judicial challenge to the bill and why he previously spoke out in favour of Talukdar.
Guest 20 Dec 2018, 12:00
+6 -4
He probably did not write this many projects (by himself) during his time at law school as he's writing articles these days.
I.Plead.A.Lot 20 Dec 2018, 15:38
+0 -5
You mean this https://www.thestatesman.com/supplements/law/legislating-%C2%91national%C2%92-nujs-1502717828.html

Hey Guest (in various avatars) are you the relevant faculty most affected by the stoppage of distance education courses? I wonder why you have not made yourself heard by the University authorities and also the EC...why not square off with Justice Arun Mishra there?

Or better still since you think that students, especially a rather particular former SJA President followed neither law or logic why not help the aggrieved students swarm the EC on Dec 22?

Do you know you plead a lot? Why not do something instead of being a keyboard warrior? You know the Kolkata-based students of distance education. Get them and the media to storm the campus and EC on Dec 22.

But will you?
Beady-eyed Biddy 20 Dec 2018, 16:27
+3 -0
Who said students need any help? They certainly don't say anything to such effect. On the contrary, the SJA has always made it clear during PIB's time and now under Lord Taluk that they know very much what they are doing and how that needs to be done. As anybody who is capable of recognising the truth, one should know that the regular students are the ones losing the most because of the suspension of the online courses and ham-handed way Taulk & Co. dealt with it. The loss of revenue will be made up from student fee hike, as will be any damages and legal fees paid. In fact, students should now start asking what moral right the administration has of spending student fees on litigation expenses anyway! It started with PIB and Surajit, continued with the AR Admin suspended for sexual harassment and now with students of online, medical courses and what have you. It's almost like taking tax from the middle class and squandering it on loan waivers of others. With the difference that at least waivers give some temporary relief and all these litigation are just waste of time and money.
Journalist 21 Dec 2018, 06:27
+1 -1
5 big announcements will be made tomorrow: 1) NKC will be the new VC. 2) AKP will be the Registrar. 3) Domicile quota comes into effect. 4) Second campus in Anansol. 5) Fee reduction.
Guest 21 Dec 2018, 06:36
+0 -0
No to all five. At least in terms of the announcement. Kahaan se chale aatey hai yeh log!
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 10:13
+1 -0
As I said, none of these five happened in the meeting. There are so many people these days leaving behind fake news in the comments section!
Guest 21 Dec 2018, 10:17
+0 -0
An information blackout is being exercised against Legally India. If there is any scoop it will go to timid media like Bar & Bench.
Guest 21 Dec 2018, 11:01
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In a shocking move the acting CJ has stayed the BJP rath yatra decision. Questions must be asked why the govt was in a hurry to set up the VC selection committee when the acting CJ just has a 3 month term, instead wait for a new CJ.
Guest 21 Dec 2018, 13:58
+2 -5
Why on earth are you bringing CJ's completely unrelated judicial decisions up here? Personally, I'm quite happy the stupid yatra isn't happening. But that's got nothing to do with his role in the search committee.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 08:04
+1 -0
Nothing will happen unless NLSIU students approach the SC and demand National status for NLUs.
Inside source 22 Dec 2018, 13:14
+2 -0
UPDATE: SJA concerns ignored yet again by powers that be.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 17:44
+20 -4
SJA concerns are ignored these days even by the GB, let alone the authorities.
Second Year 22 Dec 2018, 18:08
+21 -2
Current SJA 2018-19 doesn't enjoys the popular support of the GB Members due to their inefficient tenure & unfulfilled promises which they made to come in power. Everyone feels betrayed.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 18:19
+5 -17
So what's the students doing about it instead of blaming the SJA? Why not hold another election and get other people in charge if you are so certain they can do a better job? For that matter, why do you even need the SJA to show dissent against decisions clearly against the institutional interest?
Second Year 23 Dec 2018, 05:28
+16 -6
If SJA doesn't even informs GB Members about what they are doing, How will GB Members will show thier resentment against the Administration. GB Members aren't informed about anything about the mess SJA has created due to their inaction.
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 07:42
+4 -15
I am assuming SJA doesn't tell the GB members how to come to class in a coordinated fashion either, or perform morning ablutions in turn. They still manage to do all those nonetheless. So there are things like batch mails, Facebook posts, Whatsapp messages. Use those to coordinate your protest or demonstration if you want to. Why should you have to wait for SJA to reveal its increasingly suspicious modus operandi anyway to do all of these? It's always easy to blame others while remaining inactive.
Second Year 23 Dec 2018, 08:45
+14 -3
Keyboard Warrior of SJA just Chill & Relax. Due to thier inefficiency college has already been in shambles. It's not easy for everyone to accept the bitter truth with humility.
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 10:12
+2 -10
If my comments made you logically conclude that my sympathy lies with the SJA, then I feel pity for the clients whom you are eventually going to advise, provided of course you advance beyond the second year at any point.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 13:27
+9 -0
Search committee selected the new VC today within the short time. Name has been submitted to the honourable Chancellor who will confirm it and send it back to be opened at next EC meeting end January or early February. SS Chatterjee is the new VC for NUJS, as predicted. God save the place now!
IO 22 Dec 2018, 17:55
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Please don't use the word "selected", because it implies that other candidates were given a fair hearing and a process was followed. You can instead use the words "foisted" or "thrust". The puppet candidate's name was known since long back. The whole committee was appointed so that it would coincide with the two-month term of a certain person (and today was his last day in office). SJA got fooled YET AGAIN. Theoretically, however, there is still a small chance of stalling the appointment (as was done at RMLNLU and NLIU) if the SJA petitions the Chancellor and goes to the media. It can be claimed that the appointment was arbitrary as it did not consider factors like publications, admin experience and past misconduct and court convictions. It was precisely to prevent this that the appointment was done on 22nd, as everyone will be on holiday during the Christmas break.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 18:17
+4 -1
If students are more bothered about eating their christmas cake at home instead of agitating at the university on important matters like this, then they deserve puppet vcs only. SJA heads are still on campus, it's not as if they are gonna do anything beyond sending another batch of emo mails. They aren't getting fooled, it's now accepted that they and a huge part of the GB too are fools.
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 18:14
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[img]https://i.imgflip.com/2plf7d.jpg[/img]
Guest 22 Dec 2018, 18:22
+5 -2
Here is what can be done by the SJA now:

1. Go to the Chancellor and claim process was arbitrary (like NLIU and RMNLU students did).

2. Go to the media: national papers and local papers + news channels + online media like the Wire

3. Reach out to Menon, Chimni and MP Singh for a statement of support.

4. Alumni petition.

5. Request NLSIU students for support.

6. Tie up with all NLUs and file a PIL on the NationaliseNLUs issue. Request a temporary stay on all quotas until the government and SC can clarify the status of NLUs vis-a-vis IIMs and IITs.

7. Declare flat out war against the AG and government. State in writing that the AG has engaged in unethical conduct.
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 07:43
+4 -2
None of this is gonna happen, chill bro.
Unacceptable 22 Dec 2018, 18:29
+3 -0
So, the media is reporting that JGLS has been shortlisted for Eminence status (to be finalised soon) while NLUs are subject to all sorts of repressive rules and regulations, and also controlled by state governments. The Indian government must answer how this can be possible.

[quote]Some prominent private institutes which made it to the list include VIT Vellore, Shiv Nadar University, Azim Premji University,Ashoka University and OP Jindal Global University.
[/quote]

https://www.duexpress.in/delhi-university-among-24-institutes-recommended-for-institute-of-eminence-tag/.
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 07:44
+5 -0
Very easily. JGLS is actually better than all the NLUs in every aspect other than student quality.
Disgusted 23 Dec 2018, 08:07
+6 -1
What a pathetic show by the SJA. Other NLUs went on hunger strike and marches to get their demands met. All the SJA did was use silly hashtags and email petitions. Bhat could carry on for 7 years and Taimur for 7 months because of this. For over 1 month the SJA knew about the amendment Act and the plan to install a Mamata chela as VC. Yet, the SJA continued the silly tactic of hashtags and petitions. Even now, the sham VC selection can be questioned before Gogoi seals it and makes it irreversible. A hunger strike like HNLU and NLIU can be called to put pressure on Gogoi to send back the recommendation for SSC. Yet, the SJA still thinks a Twitter/Facebook protest is the answer!
Dreamer 23 Dec 2018, 08:33
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/NuAqEYh.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/17wagux.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7eNPOUq.png[/img]
Noojiestud 23 Dec 2018, 10:16
+10 -1
No hunger strike. The weed won't taste as good on an empty stomach.
V for Vendetta 23 Dec 2018, 09:19
+10 -9
[img]https://i.imgur.com/bOjrPEm.png[/img]
Mea Culpa 23 Dec 2018, 11:13
+13 -2
It's heartening to see that there is an increasing number questioning our own failure to #OmitTalukdar #SikhaSentPacking. It is no more important at this stage whether SJA is ineffective or full of keyboard warriors. Also let's acknowledge certain embarrassing realities -

1. The 5th yrs are graduating soon and have secured job offers. The 4th yrs have a year to go. From a "batch perspective" they have little interest in what happens next to NUJS

2. Many 1st yrs may actually find it more meaningful to sit for CLAT again; AILET et al; lose a year and join somewhere better. NUJS is on a downward spiral and it is better to jump a sinking ship right now.

3. 2nd and 3rd years, especially the former are the ones who will face the brunt. They are stuck badly. A lot more was expected of them. But the low GB turnout meant that SJA was neither pummelled nor provided the ballast.

4. Since SJA is a keyboard warrior at the very least I am sure it emailed alumni. I guess after the first edition of #PIBOut failed, alumni interest faded. They probably realized something that we didn't or haven't thus far -

if the state govt wants someone to stay, s/he does. As it happened with PIB or in JU which keeps getting cited as a model for protest action. But for the political build up at the state-level, Dukhpal would have stayed on at HNLU. And we are not sure whether a Taluk is in the works there.

5. That few in the alumni care is evidenced by the fact that we had an alumni reunion on Dec 22. If reports are to be believed, none had any meaningful interest in university affairs. More importantly, they had prior information and opportunity to do whatever little they could (or would) before the EC. But that didn't happen. So let's just dial down on what the alumni can or will do.

6. A lot is being said about approaching the Chancellor. Chances are that he was not consulted by the state while legislating the Amendment. And he is seemingly fine with that. Or maybe he was consulted privately and his tacit silence meant that state was free to legislate.

Let's do this ourselves or have the SJA file RTI queries to the Chancellor whether he was formally consulted by the state govt et al? Also has the SJA approached his office and if yes, what has he done about it?

I mean no disrespect to the Chancellor but maybe as with the alumni, just doesn't care.

7. Do we even know what was on the EC agenda on Dec 22? Very likely that the Amendment issue was not even mentioned for discussion and the CJI nominee did not even bring it up. If we can have a confirmation on this can we pipe down on the Chancellor or his nominee in the EC/GC intervening to save us?

8. I strongly suspect that Taluk will be bestowed the honour by the state to stay on till the Convocation. I also believe than an attempt will be made to get the CM and the top political brass of the state in that Convocation.

Having graduated, the 2017 Batch may not care anymore why they had participated in whatever little capacity to dislodge PIB in 2016 and later in 2018. But what about us? Suppose the SJA proposes that the current the batches will boycott or hold eyeball catching protests during the Convocations, will they get unanimous or majority support?

F**k SJA, now that I have floated the balloon, will we do this with or without the SJA?

9. Lord Taluk and Justice League will play good cop, bad cop with us. This strategy has had a good kill rate (may explain the low turnout in the GB). With a strong feedback and tracking system in place via a set of student collaborators, I expect a more vigorous roll out. As they say we are only as strong as our weakest link.

10. The state doesn't want "outsiders". It actually wants people to leave NUJS. I cannot be the only looney conspiracy theorist when I see how faculty and research positions are being hollowed out; quality candidates from "outside" being clearly signalled not to apply for VC, Registrar et al positions; and how decks are being cleared to pack in regime friendly folks.

NUJS is not alone in accommodating 'committed' apparatchiks. Look at HC. And for more on independence of judiciary, we have examples in Taluk; a limitless Ray of political crudeness; someone who should have spread light (but did the reverse in Court and at NUJS) and another who is truly blessed by the (political) Gods for having successfully transitioned to Greener pastures.

The stark reality is this- we have a hostile EC with an agenda of its own; self-serving and parasitic faculty/admin staff; mostly disinterested and risk-averse alumni (on issues that currently affect the university); and salivating, opportunistic academic administrators.

In Jan 2019 we have to choose between what is right and what is easy. I have chosen easy for obvious reasons. But will you choose differently?
4th Year 23 Dec 2018, 17:40
+16 -3
[quote]The 4th yrs have a year to go. From a "batch perspective" they have little interest in what happens next to NUJS[/quote]

Sorry you are wrong, you will find over enthusiastic Tejas Express whenever there is photograph opportunities in NUJS.
Another 4th Year 24 Dec 2018, 07:56
+14 -3
Spot On.
You shouldn't worry Since Popat comes to cheer and please his distressed masters.

Don't you think everyone needs some attention?
Guest 24 Dec 2018, 12:48
+3 -12
You have a problem that TP came to help the alumni for the Reunion programme? Why exactly? Because almost no other student barring the few volunteers bothered to turn up? The alumni, whether protesting or not, are at least doing their part by facilitating those PPOs and jobs for you all every year. What have you done in turn to make the alumni feel welcome or involved or for the welfare of the university? The biggest problem that NUJS has these days are these crabs everywhere among admin, faculty and students. They neither do anything positive nor can bear to see anybody else trying to do something positive.
4th Year 24 Dec 2018, 14:33
+12 -2
There is thin line of difference between working to please someone and voluntary working for a cause. I hope you will understand that few people in NUJS tries to pretend that they are really worried about NUJS but in reality they aren’t. Since Day Zero of 4th Year is few months away, why will TP miss this golden opportunity of Alumni Meet to interact with our alumni to secure something big?
Guest 24 Dec 2018, 15:01
+2 -8
Yes, why should he? Just because most students these days consider themselves too entitled for networking and building relationships and paying respect to alumni, it doesn't mean everyone has to be. And newsflash, those students who wish to secure those cushy jobs based on their wafer-thin knowledge and application of law on Day Zero, which means most of them, should consider taking a leaf out of his book too.
Name Changed 26 Dec 2018, 13:47
+4 -0
So Prof Amit Taluqdar will be signing the degrees? What a lovely way to put his mark on the convocating batch. My faithful labrador does the same on the wall but that can be cleaned easily
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 14:09
+1 -0
The ex-SJA President who eulogised Lord Taluk at the beginning and is venting against him nowadays in Wire etc. will have to take his degree from the fellow. This is some poetic justice!
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 15:19
+0 -0
Wikipedia already declared SSC as VC.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/cXZ5MJJ/Screenshot-2018-12-23-at-8-44-52-PM.png[/img]
Neutral Party 23 Dec 2018, 16:09
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Regarding the allegations against alumni, I wish to make a few points:

1. Up until 4 or 5 years ago, alumni were very interested in college affairs. Take a look at the petition against PIB (which the SJA did not submit). Alumni across the world, cutting across batches and branch of practice, signed it. Alumni also lectured regularly and helped with internships.

2. For the past few years, interest has waned for a number of reasons:

i) As PIB grew more and more power-hungry, he kept alumni out.

ii) PIB's cronies prevented alumni from lecturing on the ground that they lacked an LLM or PhD. This was even though one-off lectures on practical topics were sought. Furthermore, some of the people actually held these degrees and even held teaching positions abroad. Also, a proposal for short courses had come from JGLS but it was stipulated that JGLS profs could not distribute brochures for JGLS LLM programmes, which they did not agree to because other NLUs did not stipulate this. They had offered to teach without any compensation and felt that they should be allowed to distribute the brochures.

iii) Meanwhile, PIB's cronies lied and told the alumni that the STUDENTS had opposed alumni teaching. That students had said that the alumni were not qualified and did not want them to give guest lectures. The cronies also spread rumours that the students are arrogant etc. A vicious lie was spread that a student had made a lewd remark to a female alumni guest lecturer. This was NOT TRUE and the lady herself can confirm it. It was just a regular case of a student sleeping in class and getting scolded for it. The alumni got upset at these fake rumours.

I am not defending the alumni. Please go ahead and accuse them of lack of interest, selfishness etc. But just bear in mind the full facts and decide about whether you wish to involve them as once used to be the case, or whether you would prefer to keep them out. Thanks.
Guest 23 Dec 2018, 19:29
+2 -12
A lot of anti-SJA comments here are from vested interests in the admin trying to sabotage protests and divide the students. These comments are being upvoted by this gang. Kindly ignore these people and their poisonous agenda.
Guest 2 24 Dec 2018, 07:52
+8 -1
Keyboard Warrior of SJA, when whole GB Members doesn't give any f**k about SJA.

Then why will college administration and Executive Council will take your petition and agendas seriously.
Noojiestud 24 Dec 2018, 09:09
+9 -0
Sabotage what protests? Are we having any? Why didn't someone let me know? Or wake me up for?
SaveNUJS 23 Dec 2018, 19:40
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This is what Chief Justice Manjula Chellur had to say about Prof SS Chatterjee in connection with a case of irregularities in admission. I wonder how this can be brought to Justice Gogoi's attention.

[quote]From the above discussion, it is clear the appellant/contemnor who was fully aware of the order and resorted to various methods to avoid implementing the same to the prejudice of the writ petitioner thereby to render the writ petition infructuous. If the appellant felt the order was illegal which had been passed on incorrect submissions, it was open to him to seek appropriate relief in the form of appeal, or review etc. against such order. Instead of choosing such course of action, he refused to comply with the order and is presently setting up the aforesaid pleas which are wholly untenable in contempt jurisdiction. Such state of affairs make it evident that conduct of the appellant is not at all bona fide and accordingly we are of the view that the learned Single Judge had rightly held that the appellant had willfully and deliberately violated the order passed by the Court and was guilty of contempt. With regard to the imposition of cost it has been argued that there is no jurisdiction in the Court to impose cost in contempt proceeding. Power to impose cost is inherent in the Court, particularly in the High Court while exercising its plenary jurisdiction under Article 215 of the Constitution of India. On that score also the order cannot be faulted. The appellant ought to consider himself lucky that in addition to cost, fine or other penalty was not impose on him by the learned Single Judge by way of punishment. In the light of aforesaid reasons, the appeal is dismissed and the judgment and order of the learned Single Judge is upheld.
[/quote]

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/160319901/
Mea Culpa 24 Dec 2018, 11:31
+2 -1
@Neutral Party I have read these points before and I agree PIB and his cronies deliberately shooed away alumni and engineered faculty exodus. Lord Taluk has been doing the same thing; interestingly with the aid of Justice League who suffer severe insecurity issues. It is like we are stuck in a loop.

Also I am sorry if alumni felt offended by my comments. Not intended. It is entirely possible that many are working behind the scenes. In my comments I wanted to highlight that there has not been any overt act of intervention or resistance by alumni. For example, Batch 2017 which is going to have its Convocation in Feb 2019; a majority or a significant number could have very well declined to receive their degrees with Talukdar as VC. They still can or can even do so publicly on the stage itself. Then again, my own batch wouldn't nor will I engage in a creative act of protest.

You may fault me for being a keyboard warrior because I don't have the guts to come out. I am conflicted. I am a coward. But I will engage in weak forms of resistance hoping that soon enough the psychological barrier will be breached.

I don't know what SJA will do or others who are bolder. I will pray that their efforts against Lord Taluk succeed. Possibly a little dramatic to tag this quote to those who are putting up an overt resistance but I was very much taken in by it (and the movie Valkyrie - highly recommended)

"You did not bear the shame
You resisted
Sacrificing your life
For freedom, justice and honour"

- German Resistance Memorial, Berlin

The faculty and their chosen pets whether bound by blood or other considerations can come up with a zillion reasons (aka excuses) why the faculty cannot protest but I will not deny credit that is due to SJA Prez and Veep as also a ex-Prez for overtly doing what the faculty and alumni have collectively avoided with deadly deliberateness.
Guest 24 Dec 2018, 16:18
+1 -0
[quote]. For example, Batch 2017 which is going to have its Convocation in Feb 2019; a majority or a significant number could have very well declined to receive their degrees with Talukdar as VC. They still can or can even do so publicly on the stage itself. [/quote]

This is a fabulous idea! All award winners can wear armbands, refuse to shake hands with Timur, unfurl a banner and then stage a walkout with their families.
Guest 24 Dec 2018, 21:13
+0 -0
Mamata Banerjee has commented today that students in Bengal lack opportunities to study law, so St Xavier's College Calcutta should be congratulated on its decision to start a law school. This raises the question of why NUJS needs to be burdened with a domicile quota if Xavier's is starting a law school.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/govt-to-allow-students-switch-universities-under-cbcs/articleshow/67231761.cms
Fake News Buster 24 Dec 2018, 21:16
+1 -3
Corrupt admin/faculty are posting here pretending to be students and defaming the SJA and GB. Please ignore the fake news and fake comments spread by these jokers. They are trying to divide and discourage the students. We will unite and protest.
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 04:12
+4 -1
What are you waiting for? The Second Coming of Christ?
Muckraker 24 Dec 2018, 22:41
+0 -0
These may explain why SXC or SXUK is a political favourite

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-kolkata-cbi-summons-st-xavier-s-principal-felix-raj-in-connection-with-rose-valley-chit-fund-scam-2289583

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/will-return-rose-valley-group-s-sponsorship-money-kolkata-college-117051100940_1.html

http://www.millenniumpost.in/kolkata/learn-from-st-xaviers-cm-tells-ju-332914
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 04:34
+3 -0
BREAKING NEWS: A top source claims that the CJI has approved the selection committee's nominee for VC. The puppet VC will take charge as the next VC of NUJS next month, occupying the chair once held by Menon, Chimni and MP Singh. NUJS will now officially become MUJS (Mamata University of Judicial Sciences). Merry Christmas everyone!
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 05:41
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Why is this breaking news? Was there any reason or ground for the CJI not to put his seal of approval on the decision of the committee? Students haven't agitated or shown any dissent yet, maybe the SJA is waiting for a divine signal. Why should the CJI think anything is amiss, especially when the committee is chaired by another sitting SC judge? Students think just sending emails to CJI's office is a great achievement. Half of those mails don't even reach him.
voodoo 25 Dec 2018, 10:17
+1 -0
Yes, exactly. They think the CJI is a youngster who uses social media! He will only take note of reports in the mainstream media (which too will wake up only if there is a lockout or hunger strike) or if the SJA camps in Delhi and seeks a meeting with him through a high-level contact. Another possibility is if NLSIU and NUJS jointly file an SC petition challenging their domicile quotas, and all 20 NLU student bodies file an SC petition challenging the refusal of the government to treat NLUs at par with IIMs and IITs. The last option is possibly the best, because everyone will sit up and take notice if all the NLUs get unite and start agitating against the government a few months before elections.
Supreme Court lawyer 25 Dec 2018, 06:18
+2 -1
That is impossible! The Supreme Court is closed for the vacations.
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 09:47
+2 -1
Rumour doesn't take vacation. Rumour bills 24*7.
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 10:34
+1 -0
The lack of unity among NLU students and alumni, whether inter-NLU unity or intra-NLU unity, will be their downfall. When IIT- IIM students and alumni can unite and form powerful pan IIT-IIM bodies, why should NLU students and alumni have such giant-sized egos?
Guest 25 Dec 2018, 16:01
+0 -0
NUJS students must emulate the Jadavpur University protests. Those students successfully resisted Mamata's interference yet kept their reputation and placements intact. In fact, JU was among the 11 Institutions of Eminence recommended by the Gopalaswami Committee and will be formally declared an IOE once the full list of 20 is declared.
Muckraker 25 Dec 2018, 21:40
+1 -0
Yes we may consider going the JU way to make ourselves heard. But those suggesting this model forget certain essential points -

1. JU has a long history of having highly radicalised/politicised student politics. I am not suggesting that it is bad or good. It has been a two-way process whereby a certain institutional equilibrium has been achieved wherein highly politicised student politics co-exists with the rest of the set up. That equilibrium is sought to be reset in favour of the ruling party.

2. It is not just the students, many in the faculty are also overtly political. That's another area of reset that the ruling party wishes to effect.

3. JU has a long history of run-ins with police (including violent ones); aggressive posturing; hunger strikes; civil disobedience etc. In that sense the institution, faculty and students are battle hardened and have the capacity to sustain a long play of brinkmanship

4. In the most recent edition, once the students began hunger strike, a significant section of the faculty openly joined the student protests. That's when things really turned in favour of the students.

5. Also please note the sympathetic, continuous and consistent media coverage that JU students got in the local media- print and electronic.That could also be a function of several JU alumni working the the press. Essentially protesting JU students did a great media outreach and extensively pulled in contacts across departments and batches.
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 04:52
+0 -0
Spot on regarding #5. In fact, that is the only reason JU has a good reputation. Journalists tend to be graduates of English, history etc.
brilliant 26 Dec 2018, 11:50
+0 -5
great analysis and good points. About the faculty, let me add my two cents. The JU faculty are not just overtly political, they are also true leaders in their disciplines. Most of them have a good standing in the academic community and are taken quite seriously. The NUJS faculty is a bunch of jokers masquerading as serious academics. There isn't a singe person in the faculty who is considered as anything significant in their fields of expertise. No one will take them seriously, even if they speak up. In fact most of them are not competent enough to even find any alternative employment - so they have too much to loose by speaking up.

As such don't expect any support from them - even if they do support you, probably that will work against you.
Mea Culpa 25 Dec 2018, 21:43
+0 -0
Let us or SJA not end in a situation such as the one depicted wickedly in Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ma6tU587vw
Breaking News 25 Dec 2018, 21:45
+0 -0
Blaring on the PA system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEZl-YvhPg
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 04:58
+1 -0
At the same time NUJS gets a TMC stooge as its new VC, IIM Calcutta gets a new Director who is a distinguished alum and a professor in the US, who has returned to India to take up the job. This shows you the difference the status of Institutions of National Importance can make.

https://www.ndtv.com/education/iim-calcutta-first-woman-director-takes-charge-at-iim-calcutta-1948691
SuhasiniBerry 26 Dec 2018, 13:41
+8 -0
New IIM Director (Anju Sheth) is neither UGC-NET qualified nor is she doctorate from Indian university (therefore her degree is not equal to Indian PHD) If such a person was appointed VC at NUJS the students and faculty would raise objection as to how person without UGC NET or doctorate degree from central / state govt university has been appointed. They would make plea to Judicial Minister, Law Minister, HRD Minister, High Court, Supreme Court, (even District Court) and rejoice if they get successful.
Muckraker 26 Dec 2018, 14:41
+0 -1
I totally agree that the faculty are useless. Hereon we may charitably call them FAULTY at/of NUJS. JU faculty have internal fights and more recently it came out quite openly. Yet when it came to breaking point a significant section held true to the anti-authoritarian roots of JU. Since there is much talk of taking action against Lord Taluk, his friends in the EC and blah blah; why not start with the FAULTY? Without exceptions. I mean what can they threaten us with - will not take classes or resignations? ROFL. Successive batches have been sleepwalking to individual successes despite the FAULTY.

To return back to JU, here is some more stuff to chew on -

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/expert-panel-recommends-12-institutions-for-eminence-status/story-vfO5TfTNmCg3ckdLuW0mRO.html

[NB: Even KIIT has been recommended for IoE status!! Also note that sectoral excellence is also being recognised. Pretty sure NLSIU, NALSAR and maybe even NLUD will make it eventually]

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/jadavpur-university-prestige-swells-with-grant/cid/1675923

https://www.ndtv.com/education/jadvapur-university-only-state-varsity-in-east-to-have-got-full-autonomy-vice-chancellor-1826975

[Despite the VC being a state govt puppet and the fights, JU secured category I autonomy from UGC and also the the prestigious grant. Compare this with PIB and Taluk administrations and it underlines the worthlessness of FAULTY)

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/eye-on-eminence-tag-as-ju-shield/cid/1420689

[The controversial "legal counsel" was tailor made under state education minister instructions by none other than our AG - the legal eagle beyond compare. Prefers seeing and suing people in Court]

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/jadavpur-university-teachers-slam-govt-plan-to-gag-them-5141859/

[In JU, faculty are actually paid salaries by the state govt at state pay scales. In NUJS, the FAULTY are paid generous central scales from our fees. I wonder whether it is lack of spine or Gollum syndrome. Rather particular and Sensible folks have told me and others that the entire point of making FAULTY and the admin staff "permanent" was to empower them to work without fear or favour. But all I see are leeches]
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 16:29
+5 -0
FAULTY and STUPIDENTS, that's what this place seems to be made of. Judging from all the news and comments. Former are content taking salary and not doing their jobs, latter are content not getting any education worth speaking and getting inflated grades in exchange. What a circus! One that deserves the likes of the state government and Lord Taluk et al.
Mea Culpa 26 Dec 2018, 15:24
+0 -0
I know BD doesn't exactly inspire reading History. But please read up on IIMs; the origin stories and why they are beginning to have trouble with IIM Act 2017, including IIM Calcutta, with the MHRD/UGC. Yes, that includes the recent hire at IIM Calcutta.

IIMs (the initial trio) were set up by the Govt of India in close collaboration with American business schools, state governments and private sector. IIM Calcutta actually got angel funded by the Ford Foundation. To ensure autonomy and flexibility they were registered under Societies Registration Act. so things have always worked differently in IIMs, which is actually now under threat despite the IIM Act 2017 touting increased autonomy. One big reason, the older IIMs often win against the Govt is due to their brand, alumni and industry support. You will see the difference when it comes to the newer lot that mushroomed in recent years.

I seriously doubt that SJA or its supporters have ever advocated for a pedantic compliance with UGC Rules. Having read through their submissions (will admit, quite a few) and heard them in GB and elsewhere, the SJA has only demanded transparency concerning rules and application.

For example, NUJS has clearly violated UGC rules on distance education. We are not IIT/IIM, whose establishment rules always allowed them to operate differently. More importantly, IIMs and other reputable institutions running distance education courses make it clear that they have no UGC approval and actually pay GST. NUJS hasn't done that.

On the issue of faculty recruitments. Quite a few UGC rules don't make sense. Despite the hoopla on NET, I don't understand how acquiring that or having LLM/PhD makes one a good teacher. I am sure it troubles others too because the URC made a specific point concerning these issues.

I believe that SJA has simply highlighted that PIB and his buddies have selectively applied UGC rules to favour/disfavour certain people. SJA has not advocated blind adherence to UGC. Actually they have suggested that if NUJS and students were to profit by diverging from a nonsensical UGC rule then univ authorities should take that up with UGC but also write down a policy that transparently sets down why and how departures from UGC rules will be made.

Are you suggesting that SJA should not have reported against arbitrariness, corruption and favouritism which have actually caused financial and academic losses?
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 16:33
+6 -0
It definitely should have. The only glitch I see in your whole well-argued point is that even the SJA highlighted the instances selectively, conveniently giving those faculty a pass who dance to their tunes, offer attendance and easy grades, and pledge false support to their cause while trying to destabilize it behind their backs. That's what makes it so tragic. Just like PIB, the SJA petitions also smack of favouritism in their omissions.
Muckraker 26 Dec 2018, 16:04
+0 -0
As we allow our university to slip into greater govt control here is what we expect from them. I am pretty sure emboldened by our inaction and indecisiveness as also insider help, the govt will move more amendments into NUJS Act, which would be on the lines of what are mentioned below -

http://wbhed.gov.in/readwrite/uploads/wbuniversitiesadministrationandregulationact2017.pdf

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/new-hiring-norm-for-varsities/cid/1415094

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/speech-fetters-in-draft-rules/cid/1415000

http://wbhed.gov.in/readwrite/uploads/wbuniversitiesadministrationandregulationact2017.pdf
Big trouble 26 Dec 2018, 16:35
+1 -0
Those who think SSC as VC is nothing to worry about, please visit a Facebook page called Heritage Law Confessions, with gossip about the college he currently heads (Heritage Law College). You will shudder and wish for PIB to return.


https://www.facebook.com/pg/heritagelawconfession/
Guest 26 Dec 2018, 16:59
+1 -0
Multiple people in the faculty are saying that SSC's has been sent to the Chancellor and he has approved it orally, with a written order coming soon. It seems that the AG pushed for him, and the Acting CJ strongly agreed (on his last day of work and following a string of pro-govt orders). Justice Mishra did not want to be an obstacle, so he approved it with just minor critical remarks. Unlike other NLUs, names and API scores were not disclosed and the SJA did not pre-emptively protest the selection process (unlike NLIU and RMLNLU). Thus, it is time to be realistic and accept SSC. Think ahead now, what's done is done.
Muckraker 26 Dec 2018, 20:07
+0 -0
I wouldn't know if the SJA selectively went after FAULTY. This is how I read it - they had clear evidence against a section of the FAULTY and they acted on it. I guess the litmus test will be what will the SJA do if solid evidence is presented against other FAULTY privately or in a GB.

I just want to underline that there are limits to what SJA can do. The EC gladly allowed SJA space because it wanted PIB gone. Now the EC wants Lord Taluk to stay and an equally wretched or worse replacement will follow (unless we do something). I don't know what happened in the EC on Dec 22 but time is running out.

Taking out SSC and then getting saddled with an XYZ is like walking in circles. Instead we should do something that make the state back off and let us be. The state needs people inside the University to drive its agenda. Right now it has Lord Taluk, the Registrar and the parasitic FAULTY.

As suggested by someone, we #OmitTalukdar, #SikhaSentPacking and #OccupyNUJS. The FAULTY as usual will wait out and at the opportune time some will wave V, give meaningless pep talk, hug us and other BS.
Guest 27 Dec 2018, 03:47
+11 -0
I agree with your solution, but not with the assertion that SJA didn't have concrete evidence against other faculty. From plagiarised PhD thesis to mention in the Shyamal Sen report, from proven records of not taking classes to fudging attendance, it is all there. Just that they happen to benefit a large section of the students, that's all. So let's not try to argue evidence here. In fact, most of these people who got the clean chit are members of the Justice League and helping Lord Taluk to perpetuate his reign. Still, the solution you suggested works well enough if it covers all.
Guest 27 Dec 2018, 07:42
+12 -10
As an existing student of NUJS, I find these anonymous comments in Legally India targeting students, SJA and the faculty and spewing venom, to be deeply disturbing. It is true that we are going through difficult times now on multiple fronts. So are a lot of other law schools. We rarely see the comments section of posts involving them to contain such squabbles. There's no way of knowing who writes them, existing students, faculty, admin or outsiders with vested interests. I agree that we do not have an ideal scene here. Some members of the faculty are certainly responsible for that, as are some students, present and ex. But this deliberate attempt to tar everybody with the same brush is despicable and meant to create further strife. We still have students who genuinely want the best for the institution and work extremely hard to achieve it. We also have faculty members who help the students in whatever ways they can and often even go out of their way trying to do it. Just like most other NLUs, I'm sure. All the people involved have their own limitations and constraints under which they operate. One should respect that and try to work together, rather than engage in this venom-spewing. A forum like Legally India and its policy of allowing anonymous comments and failure to moderate comments properly just fan the already existing strife and achieve very little positive goal. People here talk about other institutions where faculty and students, despite multiple differences, still come together when the institute is threatened. In order for that to happen, one should perhaps start with desisting blame gaming and instead try to work together, respecting mutual opinion. People who work and study here are no different from those in most other NLUs. However, I've rarely seen such vitriolic posts and mud-slinging attempts in other posts. If people from within the institute are commenting here, I would urge them to reconsider their action, because it is achieving nothing other than further breakdown of relationships, perhaps irretrievably. If it is outsiders, then obviously they don't have institutional well being as an motivation anyway, so I doubt anything I say will sway then in any case.
Sad React 27 Dec 2018, 19:39
+6 -4
So you are afraid to know the culprit who have destroyed the reputation of NUJS due thier inaction and inefficiency.

1.If Lord Taluk,who was supposed to clean up the mess PIB has created, if he is hand in gloves with State Government, should we consider him as god? Face and smile are deceptive.

2.If SJA has did nothing to convince even a single person to apply for VC Position. What should you expect from us, we should applaud them or we should point out that they are the most inefficient.

3. If they were unsuccessful in stopping the Domicile Quota in NUJS, should we worship them for this marvelous achievement? You should know how Jadavpur University stopped the interference of WB Govt in their daily affairs.

[b]NUJS which was considered as the Student Run University has turned in to the State Government Run University.[/b]

This is bitter truth.
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 05:11
+6 -4
No, I don't think any of what you are trying to pin on me. Just that if you have a legitimate grievance against anyone, be it faculty, admin or SJA, which you would be right to have too, just express it out in the open in a civilised manner like educated people are supposed to do and address it by way of open discussion and even protests if that's what is needed. Instead of hiding behind name-calling, mud-slinging and cowardly anonymity in the comments section of what is fast becoming a gossip rag.
Sad React 28 Dec 2018, 09:06
+3 -6
It takes lot of courage to accept that due to the inaction of Lord Taluk and inefficient SJA 2018-19,State Govt intruded into the daily affairs of NUJS.

I hope that both Lord Taluk and SJA will enjoy happy retirement life after State Government Nominee take over the charge of Vice Chancellor.
Gubbare 28 Dec 2018, 10:02
+8 -4
Why would that take any courage? That's very obvious to everybody. What takes courage of conviction is to call faculty members every name under the sun anonymously here and then post videos of students happily playing cricket with them up on Facebook. Takes a whole lot of seasoned hypocrisy.
Popatej 27 Dec 2018, 09:34
+14 -3
Friends the risk of getting a TMC / Govt stooge is too great now. We should therefore unite and forward the following internal candidates all of whom are capable of being the next VC.

[b]1st choice is Poddar Sir. [/b]

+VE Factor

He is Bangali
He has practical empathy for plagiarism since he also did it
He has many faces so if you dont like the one on a day he show you another one
He has liberal attitude in class by playing audio tape of his own recorded lecture

-VE Factor

[...]

[b]2nd choice [/b]

Tillotama maam

+VE Factor

She has liberal attitude to class by not taking anyy (Grukool system)
She has track record of special collaboration with students [...]
She [...] that her exams are very easy
She is Bangali

-VE Factor

[...]
heavy [...] in her thesis (like 55%, 2% more than Poddar sir)

3rd choice

[b]Anupama Mam[/b]

+VE Factor

She is close to Trinamul
She does not believe in taking class
She is Bangali

-VE Factor

[...]
She knows more law than political science
Another Guest 27 Dec 2018, 11:39
+11 -0
Wow! Justice Popatej for great analysis. You deserve some award on NUJS Annual Day.
Guest 5 30 Dec 2018, 03:18
+6 -0
[quote]Friends the risk of getting a TMC / Govt stooge is too great now. We should therefore unite and forward the following internal candidates all of whom are capable of being the next VC. [/quote]

Finally, Justice Popat gave his judgment that NUJS is getting State Government Stooge as NUJS VC. Otherwise he was disillusioned by his masters that NUJS won't get any State Government Stooge as NUJS VC.
Time to protest 27 Dec 2018, 10:04
+2 -0
BIG NEWS: The Jadavpur University has VC rejected a domicile quota proposal by the Mamata govt, saying that domicile quota cannot be imposed as JU is seeking Institute of Eminence status. In contrast, Talukdar approved it, despite being an acting VC. NUJS students really need to do a big protest now.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/jadavpur-university-shelves-domicile-quota-plan/cid/1680074

Interestingly, the SJA stated in its "position paper" that "very soon NUJS will turn into another Jadavpur University." Well guess what you morons, JU is much better than NUJS because it has rejected domicile quota and is likely to get Eminence status (it was in the first list, along with IIT KGP, IIT M, DU and Anna University). To add insult to injury, JGLS may end up getting Eminence status in the second list, as no NLU has applied for it.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/nujs-students-prepare-report-against-domicile-quota-decision/articleshow/66744420.cms,
Guest 27 Dec 2018, 11:05
+1 -1
[img]https://i.imgflip.com/2puo7o.jpg[/img]
Guest 27 Dec 2018, 16:21
+2 -0
[img]https://i.imgur.com/PguDeKR.png[/img]
Muckraker 27 Dec 2018, 21:04
+3 -5
Oh I wish we were as ballsy as JU right now.

Here is what they did in 2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Jadavpur_University_protests

Also why can we not have this? https://www.ndtv.com/kolkata-news/anarchy-at-kolkatas-famous-presidency-university-over-hostel-protest-1915110

There is little to be gained by scoring points against the SJA. When the time comes to change the leadership, please do. Until then, can we have have some unity on throwing out Lord Taluk and the Registrar, the two principal agents of the state in NUJS? That will send out a strong message to the state govt folks to stop f*****g around, starting with the VC selection.

I hope the SJA will call a GB soon after the university reopens. We should also ensure that majority attend the GB; demand answers from SJA and be ready to participate in the agreed plan of action. Else we are no better than FAULTY.

Based on what has been written here and campus talk, this is how I see it -

1. This is primarily our fight. Alumni assistance is welcome. But let's get real about the actual level of support. Four oldies are in the faculty and two (or is it three?) have permanent tenure in the University. What have they done? And I have not even included the ones who did their LLMs/PhDs here. A batch had its reunion on Dec 22 and Batch 2017 is all set to receive their degrees from Lord Taluk.

2. Similarly lets dial down our expectations from Professors Menon, Chimni and MP Singh. None of them did anything during the ruinous tenure of PIB, why should they do anything now? And they haven't. No op-eds, nothing.

3. The CJI has little time for us. His nominee, Justice Arun Mishra seemingly has no issues with the Amendment Bill. Maybe both had been privately consulted by the state govt before the amendments were moved? Calcutta HC is unlikely to act against its own and the recent history inspires little confidence. A new ACJ has come in. Maybe one should check whether he is willing to act differently.

4. The state nominees in the EC will brazen this out because they can. And we have not been able to do anything meaningful thus far. It no longer matters what the SJA could have done. Let's concentrate on what can be done, realistically. And that begins with a honest and brutal assessment of what we are individually willing to stake in this fight.

5. This fight or lack of one will define us and NUJS forever. While it is important that we carefully structure and define our demands, more important than that will be our commitment to get those. Are we willing to go the distance?

6. We need to do things differently. Please note that this EC has seen what we did (or did not) during #PIBOut. So they are ready and counter intuitively would very much want us to agitate on those lines.

7. We have upset status quo. Strong push backs are expected. We need to stop playing or responding to the rules set by the powers that be. Petitions, appeals and protests have had their run. The authorities are ready. So we need to surprise them through creative modes of protest.
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 05:16
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No, you can't have any of this. Because students are lethargic, not interested in long-term benefit of the institution nor its reputation, lack strategy of any sort and have a mob mentality when they do manage to move out of their stupor. Also note that regardless of the Day Zero performances this year, if militancy is what you are advocating, the recruiters will also start staying away from campus, unlike engineering recruiters of JU. Law firms are more touchy about such matters. The only way to balance that is to keep the alumni with you, which is clearly unlikely to happen, given the attitude of current students. Let's see how many students end up taking that risk. Most of them cannot even be made to turn up for a GB meeting, and you think you have upset the status quo! What a joke! When some people in the faculty had suggested earlier that the ham-handed fashion of removing PIB instead of quietly allowing him to leave for CNLU would backfire on you, you all had behaved like hooligans with them. And now you expect them to support you once again. One can't figure out whether you are just brainless or simply acting like you are.
Mea Culpa 27 Dec 2018, 21:42
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The SJA found out that the admin staff have been paid crores in overpayments. They have alleged in their EC petition that a lot of politics is being played around and this is a problem that has been allowed to fester by PIB and now Lord Taluk. This has also been pointed out in the articles penned by a former SJA President. Why is Lord Taluk blatantly blocking action on stoppage and recovery of overpayments; PN Sinha Inquiry Report recommendations; irregularities in faculty recruitment; UGC and FCRA violation; and driving us into the arms of the state govt??

Why can we not have something like this? https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/visva-bharati-stops-staff-overpay/cid/1679775

We have only been concentrating on Lord Taluk and FAULTY. What about admin staff? We all know how the accounts and academic sections function. And let's not even start on the people working in the offices of Lord Taluk and the Registrar.
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 08:22
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Actually, the state judicial secretary has already opined that there has been no overpayment of any sort to any staff. That's why the 7th CPC has finally been approved in the last EC meeting. I agree with you about the inefficiency of the staff, but clearly we had been misinformed by people with vested interests earlier about the overpayment bit. This is just one of the many allegations that have been proven to lack any factual foundation so far.
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 10:40
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Some shameless chelas of the admin/govt are posting against the SJA and downvoting any comments calling for protests. I request everyone to counter this and vote correctly on the comments.
Muckraker 28 Dec 2018, 13:52
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This is in response to many avatars of Guest 106.1.1 and 111.1

I agree that students are being myopic; as with the FAULTY many (if not most) are self-serving and that we have messed up. But you have got certain things wrong. PIB may have quietly lobbied for the CNLU position but once CNLU students protested he would have remained here. Please note that in 2016, powerful people brokered a deal whereby he was given a second term despite SJA. It was a situation similar to this when SJA had literally no support in the EC. What many (including) never understood then and even now is why the EC suddenly supported the SJA in kicking out PIB; simple because key members in the EC felt that they were scammed by PIB who had no intention or capacity to deliver on the political deal.

I am not advocating that we should mollycoddle the SJA. By all means, please pummell SJA in the GB that is assuming we will have a meaningful turnout. But as and when we demand action from SJA, we should ground it in facts and reality. We shouldn't lash out just because some of us may have personal issues with XYZ.

Some have suggested that we should use velvet gloves to manage the fragile egos of the delicate darlings called alumni. I am sure many in the alumni wouldn't want such a treatment but those are likely in the minority. I am not sure if the law firms are necessarily touchier about their reputations. JU students, especially the engineering folks have often been in the news for campus violence, hazing, bullying, sexual harassment and aggressive political posturing. And yet JU has never faced a dearth of campus placements. In contrast it has been debated that if the state interference and politicisation had been less, JU would have done even better.

I am sure most managements will have a preference for the docile, malleable, risk-averse, goody-two-shoes variety. And being one is definitely profitable. I mean Chatur was doing great yet many rooted for the 3 Idiots. Why are you so ready to crawl when you haven't been asked to even bend? Abdication of spine isn't always great - many FAULTY are a great example of that.

You may keep spewing platitudes on how we should debate in a civil and educated manner and blah blah. Just because you or Lord Taluk & Co. demands doesn't mean we have to oblige. Call us what you may but we will do everything that is necessary and doable to evict these squatters from our campus.

I strongly suspect that you are part of Lord Taluk & Co. because no student has actually seen what the Judicial Secy wrote on the DEO overpayments issue. Some may have heard piecemeal stuff. First, please show the written communications between the University, Judicial Secy and FC on this issue. Second, please show that Judicial Secy did not opine in his personal capacity. Thirdly, why don't we RTI on this issue? SJA, are you listening?
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 16:46
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So far I've not seen you doing anything beyond posting anonymous comments on Legally India. So spare me the "We will do everything that is necessary" spiel. Your tone of argument clearly reveals the main issue with law school students in general these days and what outsiders find to be increasingly problematic with NUJS students in particular. A huge problem of attitude and entitlement. You scoff at suggestions to behave in a civil manner and appear to believe aggression, that too wrapped in anonymity, is the only answer to every problem. To answer just a few of your points, CNLU students mostly started protesting against PIB only when NUJS students started flooding the social media with a rather distasteful exhibition of their relief on getting rid of him, which was premature. I don't have any issue with what you said about the SJA, actually. In fact, that sounded sensible enough. But as for your comment about law firm behaviour and preferences, it goes to only show that you lack idea about how they work just like you couldn't realise why the EC played blow-hot-cold with SJA and PIB occasionally. You want to be a fiery activist, nobody is stopping you. But if you are that committed towards your cause, why not take it to public instead of leaving comments here? Send batch mail, mobilise student opinion, carry out protests. Put your money where your mouth is and see how many students follow you. Instead, your idea of growing a spine is to limit yourself to anonymous comments. Which is beyond ironical and well into the zone of hypocrisy.
Guest 28 Dec 2018, 18:06
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The big villains here are Advocate General Datta and Taimur. Datta's appointment as AG was very controversial in the first place, as he is a relatively little-known lawyer . Two very eminent lawyers occupied the post before him, but both resigned after opposing Mamata's policies. As for Taimur, less said the better. Any protest should openly criticise the AG and Taimur and force them to be confronted by the media.
Muckraker 28 Dec 2018, 20:34
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@Guest 114.1 you are right, I am a keyboard warrior, hypocrite, coward, rabble rouser, uncouth, blah blah. But you are not, right? So why are you hiding behind an alias? What's your spiel, know-it-all, goody-two-shoes? Continue playing footsie with Lord Taluk & Co.

@Guest 115, you have only mentioned the usual suspects. These links may give you further leads on the other players.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/advocate-general-puts-in-papers/articleshow/57028211.cms

https://www.news18.com/news/india/west-bengal-ag-quits-saying-he-was-asked-to-bend-the-law-1346218.html

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/i-resigned-to-keep-my-spine-firm-says-bengals-former-advocate-general/articleshow/57213834.cms

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cant-work-if-team-breaks-down-a-g-addnl-a-g-submit-resignations-to-governor-keshari-nath-tripathi-4513035/

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/law-officer-quits-police-officer-shifted-mitra-leaves-amid-talk-of-sniping/cid/332502
Guest 29 Dec 2018, 05:29
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Good research in coming up with these links. I agree with you about a disturbing pattern emerging from all this. I also seriously hope we consider some form of active demo or protest once sem resumes. The authority had been given time till year end to do several things including finishing the inquiries. They haven't delivered on anything at all! We can probably get in touch with JU folks to get their support, last time they had offered help for getting PIB out. Here's to a blemish-free NUJS in 2019!
Guest 29 Dec 2018, 12:19
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I support the 5 demands in the #NUJSHungerStrike poster. The students should stage a silent protest in front of the Cal HC holding the poster, and also distribute the pamphlets to the lawyers. Alternatively, this can be replaced with a nationwide #NationaliseNLUs protest in front of all HCs and the SC, where same status as IIT and IIM is demanded. Maybe the second option will be better. It will get attention in media throughout India and pressure Gogoi to speak up.
Guest 29 Dec 2018, 12:56
+1 -0
Not a bad idea. But I doubt you will get enough NLU students motivated enough to pull something like that of. Even an online petition gets the signature of not more than 10%. How many do you think will become so proactive?
SJAMole 29 Dec 2018, 15:18
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The PA system has revealed that Lord Taluk has been instructed by his master's voice in the government to take the strictest action against any student showing any form of organised protest or dissent once the sem starts and new VC's name is announced just before the convo. Same for any dissent on convo day itself when the CM is likely to come down.
Guest 30 Dec 2018, 08:47
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Report from the Telegraph:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZaC9hNg.png[/img]
Muckraker 9 Jan 2019, 15:54
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Will there be M****t Questions" in the Convocation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPOn9Ldb9IQ

Oh well those guys got snuffed out. CM has Cersei on speed dial.

But this can be a likely situation in NUJS if the CM or a party honcho comes for the Convocation.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/maharashtra-student-alleges-education-minister-vinod-tawde-ordered-his-arrest-minister-denies/articleshow/67416484.cms?utm_source=Colombia&utm_medium=C1&utm_campaign=CTN_ET_hp&utm_content=18

Don't believe me?

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/arrested-for-questioning-mamata/cid/389090

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/mamata-vs-the-farmer-be-afraid-very-afraid-416119.html

So do we go the JU or CU way?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/cm-mamata-banerjee-criticizes-student-politics-at-jadavpur-university-presidency/articleshow/67433612.cms

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/mamata-praise-for-old-values-calcutta-university-barbs-for-presidency-and-jadavpur-university/cid/1681162
Guest 9 Jan 2019, 17:06
+0 -0
Definitely the CU way.
Keyboard Warrior 9 Jan 2019, 21:10
+0 -0
You are right. While NUJS slumbers this is what makes JU so memorable for CM

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/nation/story/20160912-jadavpur-university-kolkata-mamata-banerjee-tmc-829505-2016-09-01

While NUJS students run scared, this is what JU did

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/30000-march-in-rain-to-seek-Jadavpur-VCs-scalp/articleshow/43033605.cms

And it made the nephew come to aid of aunty (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/nandygram/abhishek-banerjee-comes-to-mamata-auntys-rescue-by-trying-to-discredit-ju-students-movement/)

And the usual set of dirty tricks

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2016/india/didis-men-divided-over-presidency-ju-culture.html

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/jadavpur-vc-drug-remark-on-girl/cid/1581412


If not the CM then this enfant terrible as Chief Guest in the Convocation

https://www.hindustantimes.com/kolkata/the-rise-of-abhishek-banerjee-mamata-s-foul-mouthed-nephew/story-GW7OLwe2Nq8T9Vtj3jNSVP.html
Rebel 10 Jan 2019, 09:27
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Friends, please support our call for the #NUJSHungerStrike and pressure everyone to join.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/bOjrPEm.png[/img]
Guest 10 Jan 2019, 12:20
+0 -0
Haven't seen this call circulated within the GB yet. Shouldn't you try that first before posting it on Legally India comments section? Not that I disagree with the cause.
Rebel 11 Jan 2019, 03:31
+0 -0
Such leaks to LI are necessary as there are elements working to sabotage student protests. Sadly, some students are on the side of these crooks.
Guest 11 Jan 2019, 06:38
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@Rebel: No, by all means post it here. I am only saying that the protest is meant to be done by students, so shouldn't the GB be told about it formally too to begin with? No reason to be furtive or surreptitious at all, the very purpose of the protest would be to air legit grievances out in the open!
Muckraker 15 Jan 2019, 12:46
+0 -0
So, is NUJS ripe for a government takeover?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/body-to-adopt-colleges-varsities-keep-them-up-to-date/articleshow/67532302.cms

No wonder Taluk & Co are so keen to get CM or one of the party honchos as the Chief Guest. We are such wimps for continuing with Taluk.

But what do you do when the HC is compromised. Two recent CJs seem to have deliberately ignored Justice Chelameswar's caution concerning bonhomie between judiciary and government

https://barandbench.com/bonhomie-between-judiciary-and-government-sounds-the-death-knell-to-democracy-chelameswar-j-in-letter-to-cji/

Guess this is what happens when they found that grass is actually Greener on the other side.

And then we have so many party stooges and beneficiaries in our faculty ranks to help the government. But as they go about s******g students, will they survive this?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/governments-attendance-lens-on-students-teachers/articleshow/67451285.cms
Guest 15 Jan 2019, 14:12
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Students appear to have grown quite comfortable with the current regime too. Apart from occasional SJA mails, nobody has seen any dissent from students' side even though all those December deadlines have whooshed past our heads. This is why the admin doesn't take students seriously anymore. Paper tigers all.
Muckraker 15 Jan 2019, 21:48
+0 -0
What about calling out the creeps, moral policing and inaction on our campus? https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jadavpur-university-professor-kanak-sarkars-remark-on-virginity-incurs-students-fury-1978216?pfrom=home-topstories
Guest 16 Jan 2019, 05:54
+0 -0
Yes, includes faculty, admin and students all.
Mea Culpa 15 Jan 2019, 21:54
+0 -0
@ Guest 123.1 - Things are going on expected lines. Why does the SJA make demands that it cannot enforce?
Guest 16 Jan 2019, 05:53
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Because they are the ones who had issued that laughable ultimatum to begin with in their latest email petition. Like getting inquiries done by December, new VC, Registrar, AO, FO by the same time, or else.
Q 15 Jan 2019, 22:06
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Our university has not been able to organise proper hostel accomodation till date, often resorting to tripling. Now what? https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/25-hike-in-college-varsity-seats-to-allow-centres-weaker-section-quota-1978175?pfrom=home-topscroll
Guest 16 Jan 2019, 05:52
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What starts with your name. Quadruplication. Next step to tripling. Or all dorms. Students are sheep to be led by their nose rings by the authorities apparently. What a shame we can't show the spine students from JU or other places do! This is why law firms keep hiring from us, they need spineless drones more than anything else and we provide them with a ready supply.
Guest 16 Jan 2019, 12:59
+1 -0
Two minutes silence for all those who expected the current lot of NUJS students to gather some courage and protest.
Guest 16 Jan 2019, 15:03
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In other news, the Search Comm has not yet confirmed the new VC reco nor sent it to the CJI for approval. All other rumours to the contrary are baseless. It is unlikely that the name will be announced before convocation is due. Certainly the new guy isn't gonna take charge this sem.
Q 16 Jan 2019, 22:27
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This is what JU does https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kolkata-jadavpur-university-professor-kanak-sarkar-who-said-virgin-girl-is-like-sealed-bottle-remove-1978642?pfrom=home-topstories

What do we upstart, entitled Noojies do? Taluk & Co are selling us and the university for a song and all we do is write petitions and issue hollow ultimatums.

Also I think we should stop expecting meaningful intervention from the HC and SC. I mean look at this story https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/gnlu-staff-complain-to-guj-hc-bimal-patel-misusing-power-to-continue-as-director-after-expiry-of-maximum-director-terms-20181210-9714

What has the Gujarat HC/CJ done?
Guest 17 Jan 2019, 13:38
+1 -0
Yes, JU does that. NUJS doesn't. You have a problem with that, either raise your voice on a formal platform, mobilise student support which can't happen anonymously, and protest. Or choose another institution. Doubt there's any other option available.
Breaking News 20 Jan 2019, 13:04
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While Taluk & Co bury the Justice PN Sinha Inquiry Report deeper to protect Lovely ladies and Damned men; the AG group keeps frustrating Registrar, AO and VC appointments to ensure that the campus impasse remains politically useful in the coming days; and the various EC and AC instituted inquiries meander like headless chickens, this is what is breaking (bad) at NLIU Bhopal after regime change. Kudos to the student body at NLIU. Stay sharp with the actual implementation of the Gohli report and cast out the corrupt faculty and admin staff. The conspiring students must also face consequences.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/panel-seeks-fir-against-nine-professors-and-staff-of-nliu/articleshow/67607759.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/national-law-institute-university-probe-panel-finds-mark-sheets-of-many-students-forged/story-9wnC4DtURyvWJc8vErPPwO.html

https://www.freepressjournal.in/bhopal/bhopal-over-200-students-dozen-faculty-members-staff-found-guilty/1437505

https://www.freepressjournal.in/bhopal/bhopal-nliu-gen-council-pardons-all-issues-notices-to-staffers/1440696

I don't know if the MP Education Minister was simply posturing https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/minister-wont-allow-another-vyapam-in-mp/articleshow/67606822.cms

Now that the Brigade circus is done will the WB Law and Education Minister care to do something meaningful about the political buffoonery in the EC and on our campus?

SJA and GB, grow a spine?
Muckraker 20 Jan 2019, 21:52
+0 -0
Bang on! A few months ago someone had emailed all the batches excerpts of the Justice PN Sinha Inquiry report. Nothing happened. Very likely because those people are part of Taluk & Co. While Lord Taluk continues fibbing and outplaying the SJA blokes, here is what JU students achieved recently.

https://www.ndtv.com/kolkata-news/legal-action-likely-against-jadavpur-university-professor-over-remark-on-virginity-1979811
bulshit 21 Jan 2019, 09:40
+0 -0
who ever is making these posts - do you have the spine to do anything more than write anonymous comments here? if your idea is to try and instigate/push the SJA or GB into doing something - it has failed so far and it will continue to fail. nice try trying to hurt our egos by calling us names or comparing us to JU or some other university. but we do have enough common sense to see that its some disgruntled faculty member who has an axe to grind with some others who are making these posts here and we are not interested in being the proxy fighters for your wars anymore. may be some of us did that in the past - but not anymore

so rather than taking refuge in a clock of anonymity and calling the students spineless, how about checking whether you have a spine? and if you find that you do have one, come out in the open and do something more concrete. the GB will support you if you can convince us that you are making some real claims with some merit in it. the least that we would like to know is who is it that is making these claims.

Until then, do everyone a favour by just shutting up and not using this forum to malign the student body.
Guest 21 Jan 2019, 14:13
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Actually, whoever it is who is writing all that is not maligning the students, since all that has been spoken about the students' and SJA's inaction and lethargy are factually accurate at least. I agree with you though that this method is an useless one. Comparison with other universities is hardly going to help. Nor is anything else, probably. If students still require other people to make real claims before they can get motivated to protest, that means that students themselves have no problem with the current administration. If that's the case, then everybody deserves whatever good or harm is caused by that adminstration to the institution anyway. Aal eej waal.
questions 21 Jan 2019, 15:05
+0 -5
and what exactly is the damage being caused by the current administration?? can we have something solid about this? Dont start the enquiries not leading anywhere bit - just because there is no result yet, it cant be concluded that there wont be any results in the future. As for nothing having changed much in a year its common sense that major policy changes cannot be expected out of an interim administration.

and what makes you think SJA is inactive? unless you mean to say that only some protest or strike is the only thing that you take to be 'action'. this not the AAP to start a protest and a strike on everything under the sun. all for what we know it is an interim one and a new VC is to join sooner or later. there are concerns around that process not being a transparent one. if the new appointment is a bad one we will deal with it then.
Answers 21 Jan 2019, 15:40
+4 -0
This comment by questions seems to be written by a member of the Justice League, not a student for sure. By the way, 132.1 never said the interim admin has caused harm only, yet questions seem to immediately go into defensive mode. Shows clearly this is a stooge of Lord Taluk and not a student.
But if it's a list of harms you want, here goes:
1. Continuing dilution of academic standard by allowing grace marks, making failed students pass, allowing plagiarism issues to be overlooked, almost doing away with attendance requirement.
2. Not recruiting faculty to replace the 6-7 people who have left over the past year and a half.
3. Allowing multiple faculty to continue not taking regular classes.
4. Not attending any NLU consortium meetings or discussions and reducing the national relevance of NUJS.
5. Not attending or sending representatives to roundtables held by prominent recruiters despite being invited.
6. Not signing certificates of legitimate and completed courses, thus allowing external students to form extremely bad opinion of NUJS. I'm not talking about online courses here.
7. Continuing useless litigations on multiple forums using students' fees.
8. Not appointing permanent people in empty posts like AO and Financial Officers.
9. Not progressing with urgent requirements like hostel expansion and making students live in cramped hostels despite paying a shitload of money.
10. Inviting someone as controversial as the CM to the convocation as chief guest to curry personal political favour. This has never been done in history of NUJS.
11. Losing a huge source of revenue by not trying to get NAAC accreditation so that legit online courses can be offered to earn revenue and reduce burden on students.
12. Not improving the security of the campus or replacing the useless guards leftover from past administration.
13. Not implementing a single recommendation of the Review Commission or even the simple ones suggested by SJA 4l since 4 years back.

I can go on. But let's stop at unlucky thirteen, which is what this admin has proven to be for NUJS. Unlucky. And useless. This place is just similar to another state university now and unfit of being called an elite national institution.
Guest 21 Jan 2019, 17:23
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Agree with most of the points raised by Answers here. Just that there is still time for NUJS to turn around. If only faculty and students alike take a long-term view of the good of the institution even if it comes at short-term personal costs. Both are important stakeholders and the institution needs both to work together if possible but certainly not against each other. Teachers are there for the students, not to go on personal power trips or satisfy egos. Students are there to learn and better themselves and ensure that the university and the teachers offer them their money's worth.
Guest 22 Jan 2019, 08:44
+0 -0
The students can do something very simple: Just make the SOS symbol on the field again when Gogoi comes to visit. That will immediately attract media attention and the attention of the SC, legal and political community.
Tweety 24 Jan 2019, 15:06
+1 -0
Just got this breaking news unofficially confirmed by a top member of the Justice League. The CM is gonna announce the second campus on Asansol during her convo speech. This will obviously seal that deal and was meant to catch SJA and students totally unaware. It will be done in the disguise of improving standard of legal education in the state and NUJS taking a leading role in that. This will also be followed by a second amendment in the Act to make this happen. The new VC will not take charge this semester till Lord Taluk does what's needed to confirm this from the university's side, after which he'll bow out gracefully, leaving the new VC and Registrar in charge. During next academic year, the increase in seats will be announced. This has been agreed upon by the law minister and the members of the League with the latter having pledged full support to the State government in return of making pensions happen finally at the university. They will also be given plum posts under the new admin like Dean, AR etc.
In the Know 25 Jan 2019, 05:40
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I can confirm all this is true, based on a conversation with one of the most well known and eminent Senior Advocates of the Cal HC . The lawyer's exact words were "Mamata Banerjee is going to turn NUJS into Surendranath Law College". He told me that Taimur has been working as her puppet from Day 1. Note that at NLSIU, the domicile quota could not take off as the SBA is very active and worked hard to oppose it. However, because the SJA is a lame duck body both the domicile quota and new campus (in the law minister's constituency) will be pushed through, despite the Review Committee specifically saying no new campuses. And, of course, a new puppet VC (SSC or NKC, apparently).
Cat on a hot tin roof 26 Jan 2019, 04:12
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All the inquiries being conducted by the Admin and Justice League have stalled due to lack of actionable evidence or simply lethargy on the inquirer's part. Even the simple ones like non-publication of a student's results for over a year due to negligence of academic section and faculty. Taluk and Co. are now milking these for as long as they can to buy time and to keep opposition in check. Like CBI being used by whichever party is in power to keep the opponents in line. It's surprising why SJA isn't asking these questions more forcefully other than writing the occasional mail. I for one would be happy to see the current SJA leadership being replaced a more proactive one during the next election few months away. Like the interim admin, they have not done anything positive for the university either. Arjun had at least tried to do something, whether one agrees with his methods or not. He did manage to drive PIB out after all.
Muckraker 26 Jan 2019, 23:25
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https://theprint.in/governance/judiciary/3-senior-lawyers-given-task-of-getting-ex-hc-judge-to-quit-as-tripura-cricket-administrator/183436/

We may just end up in a similar situation. Sure Lord Taluk was not entirely thrust on us by the Calcutta HC but informal consultations did take place among retired and serving regime friendly HC judges, AG and lawyer-politicians of the party in power. In our case Taluk has not been on a spending binge. Instead under the cover of "clean-up" and "following the book" his so-called austerity measures, including denying himself salary (does it really matter how the political favours are traded outside the campus?) have ensured that our university becomes financially dependent on state government dole.

It is clear that Lord Taluk was specifically imposed on us to complete the unfinished business of political takeover of our university. This was the deal that got PIB his second term. When his political masters saw that he was wobbling the #PIBOut moment was used to fool SJA into accepting Lord Taluk. For all his protestations, Lord Taluk will only leave when the state signals that they have completed the takeover.
Guest 27 Jan 2019, 11:54
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All the fault of the students. The present lot do not care about the institution, unlike the earlier batches.
guest1 28 Jan 2019, 11:03
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the faculty is no less responsible - they should have done a better job of teaching the students.
Guest 28 Jan 2019, 17:14
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Teach them to do what? Exercise common sense? I think that's what parents are for. Universities can only do so much!
Guest 28 Jan 2019, 12:30
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News Flash: NLSIU and NUJS admission brochures out, but both are not implementing domicile quota this year, it seems. And neither the upper caste quota.

https://clatconsortiumofnlu.ac.in/nlu/brochure/NLSIU.pdf

https://clatconsortiumofnlu.ac.in/nlu/brochure/WBNUJS.pdf

Also, the NUJS convocation programme is out, but a very mediocre chief guest compared to previous years (VC of CU ,who awarded an honorary PhD to Mamata)
Cat on a hot tin roof 28 Jan 2019, 15:58
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Neither can at least for this year. The bills have not yet been made into Acts and notified. I mean regarding the domicile quota. As for the other 10%, that they can change even afterwards if MHRD comes up with directives.
Shame 28 Jan 2019, 13:18
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We must all condemn the decision to invite the CU VC and TMC stooge as the chief guest. If a female academician is to be invited, then there is no better person that the IIM C director:

https://indianexpress.com/article/education/anju-seth-takes-over-as-iim-calcutta-director-first-woman-to-hold-post-5451853/
High Sparrow 29 Jan 2019, 17:38
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@Shame I agree that the chief guest could have been someone with well established academic or industry credentials. But why expect that from Taluk & Co when his very appointment in our university was a crafty political move. Everything since then has been following the laws of gravity. NUJS under Taluk & Co is a like a black hole.

Taluk comes from the same augean stable as the ones below. This will also make it easy for you to guess who or what kind of VC we are likely to get

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/dr-same-same-chatterjee/cid/1489382 (also mentions the exploits of the one who must not be named but only revered)

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Copy-paste-barb-at-Dr-Parthas-thesis/articleshow/51818007.cms

https://www.telegraphindia.com/states/west-bengal/bungalow-heat-on-vc/cid/1523346

Maybe CU or even NUJS will confer an honorary doctorate to Taluk and his EC friends in the next convocation?
Guest 31 Jan 2019, 10:45
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Arjun Agarwal has again written for the Wire

https://thewire.in/law/uncloaking-the-rule-of-opacity-in-national-law-universities
AriNa 31 Jan 2019, 12:42
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Arjun Agarwal, hero, saviour, RTI Activist. The hero that noojies need but no longer deserve.
Muckraker 31 Jan 2019, 15:43
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Not just that. On Dec 22 we had a crucial EC on that day; the first EC after the crafty move by the state government to take away our autonomy in connivance with FAULTY who are shareholders in Taluk & Co. Our 2009 alumni came and had a good time with FAULTY but did nothing to help us pile pressure on the EC or Taluk & Co. For that matter why zero in on Batch of 2009. What about others or even Arjun's own batch? What have they all done as a collective? Even individually, I am not aware of anyone openly challenging or exposing Taluk & Co. We may debate endlessly the appropriateness of Arjun's methods in #PIBOut but he cannot be faulted for what we have suffered after he ousted PIB and SAK. We have suffered because we did not as a GB push the SJA to keep a close watch on Taluk & Co. We lost the advantage and the rest is history.

I don't know what the SJA intends to do. Possibly retire hurt. Or what the future SJA will actually do beyond the sloganeering for votes. What I think we can all do to honour the risks that Arjun took then and even now, is to swarm Taluk & Co into responding to the RTIs that he has filed and also demand answers for the points that Arjun has raised in his Wire articles. At the very least let's have the b***s to give the loudest cheers and a standing ovation when Arjun comes on the stage.
SJA has a plan 31 Jan 2019, 16:16
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we all know wha the SJA intends to do - make a fresh set of petitions before the upcoming EC meeting
Beetle Bailey 1 Feb 2019, 05:44
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I have heard at least one faculty member has submitted formal complaints against His Lordship before the Chancellor. Not sure whether any action has been taken on that yet, though it's unlikely.
Guest 1 Feb 2019, 05:56
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#NUJSHungerStrike @ NUJSConvocation
Guest 2 Feb 2019, 14:17
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There will not be even any protest, let alone hungerstrike.
Guest 3 Feb 2019, 18:32
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As predicted before, the convo happened without any glitch. The SJA meekly stood watching as the VC of Calcutta University, with highly dubious scholarship and established political ties, came as the chief guest and further diluted the national significance of the institution and strengthened the state control. Shame on students and faculty alike for allowing this to have happened.
Rebel 4 Feb 2019, 14:39
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Shame on the SJA and students! This lot of students are the worst ever in the history of NUJS and will destroy the institution.
Guest 5 Feb 2019, 10:08
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SJA prez must resign. The convocation ceremony was more like a Trinamool Congress rally and Taimur's speeches disgraceful.
Rather 5 Feb 2019, 14:07
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SJA again gave a petition before the AC. Bulk of it again got ignored. So business as usual. Still no protest about the inexplicable delay in appointment of VC and Registrar. But preparation for fests are on in full swing. Clearly shows where the priorities of the students lies. These people deserve the reign of Lord Taluk and the Justice League only.
LawMin 5 Feb 2019, 16:16
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The seniormost rather particular professor has officially pledged his support to new quota and additional campuses to me. This pleases me to no end. Out with all the students and the handful of faculty criticizing that! They are all Maoists and anti-state. Will sic the CID and KP after them!
Guest 19 Sept 2019, 11:46
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One year anniversary approaching. Will we see a repeat and hopefully other NLUs joining in?
Guest 19 Sept 2019, 15:56
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No.