Rainmaker to run bar exam, relaunches BarCouncilofIndia.org today (UPDATE)

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Legal market services provider Rainmaker will run the proposed bar exam for the Bar Council of India (BCI) as the BCI is set to unveil its new website at 1pm today which was set up by the company.

It is understood from sources close to the matter that several weeks ago Rainmaker had approached the BCI to organise the carrying out of the exam and the instruction was confirmed today. [updated after confirmation of instruction]

The Hindustan Times reported today without citing any sources: “Rainmaker will also assist the council to create a database of lawyers across India and work out a common legal admission test for law schools across the country. As part of this initiative, Rainmaker has revamped BCI’s website which will be inaugurated on Wednesday by Union Law minister Veerappa Moily.

BCI chairman and solicitor general Gopal Subramanium will present the council’s vision document on what steps it will initiate to curb the mushrooming law colleges, without adequate infrastructure, in the country.”

Later today Legally India will report on the event, which will be followed by a press conference at 1pm.

Rainmaker was started up by several graduates from NLSIU Bangalore in 2007 but was unavailable for comment at the time of going to press.

The bar exam is scheduled as an open book test to take place in December and will act as a prerequisite for graduating law students to practice at the bar, as revealed by Legally India on 14 May.

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Comments

Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 17:12
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WTF!!! How can a company which runs tutorials run an exam!! It's like an IAS coaching centre being given the contract to contact teh UPSC exam. This is absolutely shocking and very suspicious.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 17:51
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Firstly Advocates Act doesnt empower BCI to impose a bar exam and now they are trying to outsource it to a recruiting agency cum coahing centre .... this is reprehensible !!
False News With Balls 2 Jun 2010, 19:53
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1 and 2. LOL!

Rainmaker is not a 'coaching center'.

It provides services in the legal education amongst others such as talent management, legal recruitment, knowledge services etc.

It makes sense to involve them to conduct this huge task well.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:03
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@3 - Do you work for Rainmaker - at least, it appears so!
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:15
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hahahha...this is sm joke....
@3 dude do u wrk for rainmaker?????
False News With Balls 2 Jun 2010, 20:40
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No I don't. And let me tell you: am very difficult to work with.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:52
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Shocking and sad!!! how I wonder how much money is involved!!!
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 21:22
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In US and UK they have their own machinery to conduct a bar exam, this outsourcing concept doesnt hold good. If the BCI lacks the required infrasturucture then they should create it first. Even if RM is not a coaching centre and whatever it might be, involving them in such confidential and important exam is not proper.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 21:47
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Somebody tell Rainmaker that there exists a TLD that goes as ORG.IN, if the bar Council wouldn't promote ORG.IN, its useless expecting others to do the same.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:25
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how lame can u get..
get some perspective in life...TLD's? Thats all you can see in this?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 05:32
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how lame can you get ... your law career and bar council ... is that all you are concerned about ?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 05:46
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Mates, this looks like some kind of cronyism...handing over everything to Rainmaker. Come on.. Indian legal system deserves better. They shoudl have invited senior professors from reputed law schools and there should have been some debate as it is held on matters which impact so many stakeholders - it cant be decided in a lunge bar over meetings of ex-batchmates..(many of you will understand what this statement means..)
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 16:37
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@all
i agree with 12 ppl like jethmalani/sorajee/daruwala etc etc shld hav bn included! sum1 mayb like justice srikrishna wld provide more associatn f meang 2 ths exam!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 17:25
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its truely accepted this information of bar council of indaia. this massage must necessary
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:26
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Hi all.. The Bar Council of India website was relaunched by Rainmaker. RM is established by NLSIU alumni and they do a great job. Hats off! But under "Related Sites", the ONLY law college is NLSIU amongst other links such as the law commission, Supreme Court, Parliament of India, yada yada yada!!!!!! Thats just disgusting ... have RM-NLSIU-BCI cut a deal? .. is NLSIU the only college related to the BCI?? or may be, just maybe .. there are other institutions that teach the subject of law.!!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 23:13
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#15 exactly what I said in my post (# 12) it is abundantly clear and this whole thing smacks of cronyism where some ex-students get together in a lounge bar and do deal making on an issue of national importance and far reaching impllications. Why to do this overnight - GS should have had a healthy debate - it isnt that only Rainmaker could do this - why make students pay Rs 1300 - I mean why not Rs.500 ( I bet if a proper selection process was followed these same RM folks would have quoted 1/4th of their current prices). Shame! GS...please do something on this... it is smacking of BCI dealmaking with RM in the darkness of night with no transparency in public domain.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 00:31
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Is there any info on whether a competitive bidding was done to test Rainmaker's technical competency and viability of the amount they are charging.

Without a competitive bidding, how can a govt. instrumentality spend large amounts of money?
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 01:36
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I think we should segregate the issues to start with before going off on a crazy tangent. Firstly, we ought to question whether this exam is really necessary to begin with. Given the fact that most colleges have their own syllabus - a uniform bar exam is something which makes sense.

Second - leaving aside the issue of rainmaker, i do feel that it is a good idea to have a private agency to run this. Experience dictates that something of this nature being undertaken by a governing body usually ends up being ineffective. Also, senior lawyers, retired judges, etc. sounds good on paper - but do they really have the time. A private agency brings some measure of professionalism to the whole thing.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 02:27
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Dear #18,

If colleges are allowed to run their own syllabus in the first place then why not enforce a common syllabus the way it is done in Board exams (CBSE, ICSE, etc)- why have a 3rd party exam - I clearly see that this step is discriminatory because:

- it is proven fact that these kind of exams are unfair and biased gainst students from smaller towns. The band of NLSIU'ites who decided to force down the throast of everyone such an exam - have neither spent anytime in the countryside i.e Bharat - I see this onemore example of pitting the urban swaagger of India against Bharat.
- It is a proven fact that such exams are heavily biased against women - if you would please trace the history of competitive exams ( and we all what they test :-))- e.g. a published study in BITS Pilani when amdission was on merit the percent of women was over 45% of the admitted student body, the day they migrated to entrance exams the percent of woemn from that bacth fell to under 15% - I am not comparing engg with law - but at least have alrager debate Mr BCI.
- Rainmaker selection I am sure almost everyone has made their suspicion clear, if BCI stil insists on having the exam they shud invite public bidding or do something that happens in developed countries like reverse auction and deliver unimaginable cost advantages to the buyer.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 13:53
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first of all is this exam necessary????
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 22:15
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Interesting to note that everyone, honestly almost everyone keeps blaming government departments for lack of infrastructure, lack of zeal to conduct/finish anything, and now when the task of conducting exams is given to a private company; it seems the whole world has gone against it. Funny!
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 22:26
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@21 no one is going against giving this task to a private company. the question here is whether it was done in the "shadows" or whether a competitive bidding process was undertaken....so that the costs are low and the exam fees are justified.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 00:53
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THE BAR COUNCIL WEBSITE IS NOT WORKING......

[Works fine from here... Sounds like a troll comment? Please vote down if works fine for you. -Ed]
False News With Balls 5 Jun 2010, 01:17
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Well, there is a 'curtain' on the website. Click on the curtain and the curtain opens. (As per what I experienced last time I visited the website).
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 02:02
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it is working..apologies.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 16:21
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The website seems to be having problems on explorer. It works fine on firefox, etc. There also appears to be a logo on the explorer site.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 18:55
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I really feel a private organisation having private profit interests with, no open tender for others to bid for assisting BCI in conducting the exam, does not seem fair at all. We have a new Competition Law and its a shame that such an important task is assigned to an organisation without without having any open tender....
Anonymous guest 6 Jun 2010, 03:10
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#27 I agree with you on this point - BCI defnitiely needs to come really clean on why no open tender was issued and advertised so that it could enlist maximum participation and derive benefits of competition. Allegations of impropreity and purposeful worng doing will always find a place till this is cleared or bids are invited again.
Anonymous guest 7 Jun 2010, 21:14
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Usually before any advocate is enrolled onto the rolls of any bar council, they are required to undergo an interview. The bar council has to make sure that the person is capable and worthy of the task that he will undertake. I gave my interview with few years back and there was another chap who was also giving his interview. He was asked to prepare a year and re-apply for the bar council membership the next year since he wasnt competent enough.
Isnt such a screening enough? if not then make such a screening more formal......do you have a second round of exams for engineers post their Btech? or a second round of exams for MBA's once they are through?
I dont understand the logic behind this test.....We have so many forums, umpteen no. of district courts where people argue in their vernacular language, variety of litigants with varying requirements....how will the needs be met if you're skimming just the crem de la creme to go ahead and appear in courts?? At present theres a place for everyone in the legal fraternity. One cant always aim to be a SC advocate right after passing out. You need to rough it out before you climb to the top....thats where you learn how to practically deal with law. Else we will have polished wannabe ally mc beals and alan shores straight out of law school wanting to implement their bookish knowledge without knowing the practical implications of what they learnt....
While im not in support of such a screening process,in the event that it is put in place, as far as rainmaker is concerned....i seriously think there should be some check in place....their sister concern LST trains kids to get into law school, RM provides jobs and at the same time they will now be incharge of who should be a practicing advocate and who shouldnt???? I think there should be a committee comprising of advocates and academecians who should, be incharge of such a task. Transparency will always be an issue with whatever venture any sort of agency undertakes, but when a private body is engaged for an activity as this, theres a lot at stake....im glad im a bc member already....god bless the rest!
gyan 9 Jun 2010, 13:40
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They have proved its a money game!! It shall be via govt only but exams conducted by any private co. (rainmaker or any) will always subject to dispute and dubious.
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 17:16
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I would like rainmaker and bar council make a public declaration that no one in rainmaker been or is connected with bar council, related to any one in ministry of any state or central govt of india, related to bar council of india present and past members

how did this proposal got declded? who proposed - company or bar?
was there a tender to call for organisation to conduct?
why was any existing institution in India not considered, why a singapore based company chosen?
have we forgotten East India Company? just now an indian took it over, we want our law in the company of foreign company

[Correction: Rainmaker is not a Singaporean company as far as I am aware. -Ed]
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 18:25
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Haha. You're obviously from another planet! Why shouldn't people in Rainmaker be connected with anyone in any ministry in any State or the Center? Don't people whose parents or relatives work in the Government have the right to have their own business?
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 21:59
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wow, the level of negativity here is phenomenal!! cronyism, corruption, lounge bars, NLS... blame, whine, blame!

how many of the 32 posters above have dealt with any of the bar councils in any detail? honestly. if you have, you will know how inefficient and incompetent they are in the most part. can you imagine them doing anything like managing an exam, when they can barely manage the process of registration and enrollment of lawyers? I mean, we've had all these wonderful bar councils around for years, and it takes a private company to come up with the idea of preparing a database of all practising lawyers in this country? doesn't say much, does it.

as for the general standard of lawyers in this country (call it India, call it 'Bharat', as one of the posters above has done) - whatever. we like to think of ourselves as noble protectors of justice; some of us actually are. but a majority are incompetent and, worse, corrupt; many lawyers think of themselves and the money they can earn ahead of the interests of their clients. just look at any survey on public perceptions of different professions. or speak to any of the hundreds of people who spend the day hanging around tehsil and district courts. a test that hopefully at least makes lawyers read and be aware of actual law as well as their duties can only be a good thing, i think.

#8 - the UK QLTT is run by private agencies. If you want to do well, study at BPP (not College of Law); BPP pretty much teaches you the format of answers required, right down to minute details.

#17 - pray elucidate on which government instrumentality is spending large amounts of money? from all the reports that i have seen, the BCI stands to make money, not spend any from its pocket.

#19- developed countries, reverse auctions, 'unimaginable' cost benefits to the buyers? what does any of that mean? please think about it before mindlessly regurgitating phrases that you have read somewhere else.

#27, 28 and many others - open tender? how many other companies/organisations can you think of who have legal knowledge/know the legal market and market participants/have contacts with lawyers, judges, legal educational institutions and law firms? if you do, please write to them and ask them why they were not organised and driven enough to try and do something new and useful.

#29 - interview to be enrolled? you obviously belong to a somewhat organised bar council!

#31 - Singapore based company? is your assertion based on the sole fact that Umakanth is studying in Sinagpore? seriously, you really need to work on your research skills, else you'll get chewed up if you were to argue before a court or negotiate against other lawyers!

on a more serious note - i agree that the process doesn't seem to have been transparent, and there doesn't seem to have been sufficient public debate on the need for (and the contents of) an exam. the whole thing could and should have been handled better.

however, to jump from that to allegations on cronysim/corruption is a stretch. i assume that all the people who've posted here are lawyers/law students. one request please. do try and organise your arguments in a rational and cogent manner, this will help you in your work and career. leave wild allegations and baseless comments to arnab, barkha and others.

if anyone is feeling left out, please write back, i shall try and come up with something to question your assumptions/insult you as well :-)
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 22:32
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@33 nice try !! By your own admission, the process has not been transparent. When there is such a blatant lack of transparency by a statutory body, and an organisation with hardly any investment, credential or experience in conducting exams at this scale, is chosen...it will raise a stink and such allegations of cronyism and corruption will be bound to arise.
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 02:14
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It was once commented by Lord Denning that legal education and practice does not go together. I believe that the members of BCI are persons having sound knowledge of law and is quite aware of this fact. By putting a test we can surely have a good law student but not a good lawyer. Just only having legal knowledge doesnt make a good lawyer.... its that extra factor which is gained by regular working in the court and chamber is needed for excelling as a lawyer. Now regarding ethics i dont think by sitting in a exam conducted in such a obscure mystic way by BCI and Rainmaker will any way elevate the values of the students impending enrollment.
Anonymous guest 2 Jul 2010, 00:56
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this is a case of elephant teeth /showing two hiding many; BCI actions and conduct just make suspicious its move, conducting such an exam wanting reasonining en block.Crediblity of such mass scale exams are being almost lost, name any entrance exam and you see elligible brilliant fellows remain out of its frame because the design of such exams and its parameters are impractical,inefficient and cruel if not corrupt.How miraculous would be those hot hundred questions scanning brains of law graduates providing 2or3 months for a de novo syllabi ,boosting notes;nevertheless open book format exam.Perhaps THE SITUATION IS SO RIPENNED and REACHED UPTO THE VERGE OF BLACK OUT SO THAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING ANY PULSE ,JUST FORGET IT.moral of the story isTHAT NOW OUR SYSTEM BELCHING AND BLEACHING ALL ELLIGIBLES.FINISHING AND FURNISHING A FINE CHAOS. LASTLY BUT NOT LEAST education AND employment are our two ailing eyes. nazar lag gayee vakeelon ko badon ki ,kala rang bhi kam na aaya.KHUDA JANE AB KYA HOGA.