RGNUL places 6 out of 70 graduates in desk jobs, 18 go lit, 12 LLM, some to bench

RGNUL: LLMs are popular
RGNUL: LLMs are popular

RGNUL Patiala placed six out of 70 students who graduated this year with two law firms including Big Six firm JSA, a corporate house and an LPO. Four other graduates secured law firm and corporate house roles, and a chamber junior position in the Supreme Court through their independent initiative.

One graduate gained entry to the Rajasthan lower judiciary.

33 graduates opted for litigation careers, LLMs, the judiciary and India’s defence services. One graduate secured the Rajiv Gandhi Research Assistant to Legislators fellowship and one secured a judicial clerkship.

30 students participated in campus placement activities in which JSA and Chir Amrit Law Chambers Jaipur were the only firms visiting campus, alongside corporate house Trident and the LPO Quislex.

18 graduates pursued litigation careers, 12 obtained LLM admissions, one entered the Rajasthan lower judiciary and two were selected to undergo training at the Indian Military Academy (IMA) and the Officer’s Training Academy (OTA).

In RGNUL’s 2013 graduating batch 13 students were placed from campus; 15 graduates of the 2012 batch secured law firm roles while 23 joined court practice that year.

At the three top colleges, Big Six law firm jobs made up 25 out of 42 jobs bagged by NLSIU 2014 graduates, 25 out of 72 jobs bagged by NUJS 2014 graduates, and 26 out of 71 jobs bagged by Nalsar 2014 graduates.

None of the Big Six visited HNLU’s campus where 29 out of 81 graduates secured jobs, while RMLNLU set a new institutional record with 45 jobs for its 150 graduates this year, and NUALS placed one-third of its 2014 graduates.

Editor’s note: We are reaching out to other 2014 recruitment committees who have now graduated. We remain hopeful that NLU Delhi, GNLU Gandhinagar, Christ Bangalore, NLIU Bhopal and NLU Jodhpur will disclose soon. Please get in touch with us at to arrange sharing the final figures.

Law firms

Four graduates secured roles with four law firms including JSA and one bagged an internship with Trilegal.

Law firmJobs
J. Sagar Associates1
Chir Amrit Law Chambers, Jaipur1
APJ-SLG Law Offices1 (off campus)
Athena Law Associates1 (off campus)
Trilegal (Internship)1 (off campus)

Corporates and LPO

Delloite recruited one graduate through the graduate’s independent initiative and Trident recruited two graduates through campus. Quislex recruited two graduates through campus.

LLM and Masters

One graduate obtained admission to the University of Hamburg and also secured the Angela Merkel scholarship for 100 per cent funding of his LLM. One graduate who secured a role with APJ-SLG Law Offices also gained admission to MBA for 2016 at ISB Hyderabad.

InstituteStudent
University of Hamburg1 (With Angela Merkel Scholarship)
New York University1
Oxford University1
NLUs9
ISB Hyderabad1

Courts

Junior to AOR1
High courts12
Trial courts6
Judicial clerkship1
To be appointed in Rajasthan district judiciary1

RGNUL Patiala full placement statistics for the class of 2014

Name of the OrganizationNo. Of acceptance
J Sagar Associates1
Trilegal (Internship)1
Delloite, India1
Chir Amrit Law Chambers, Jaipur1
Trident, India2
APJ-SLG Law Offices1
Athena Law Associates1
Quislex, Legal Process Excellence2
Judical Clerkship1
Junior to Advocate on Record1
Indian Military Academy1
Officers Training Academy1

Comments

judge 28 Aug 2014, 07:57
+5 -4
While I do not want to engage in the 'my NLU is better than yours' thing, it is a grave concern that the bench needs to be attracting students from law schools where they do not have many other options! I can't recall many alumni of NLS, NUJS, NALSAR joining the lower judiciary.

Reminds me of an old story. An accused is brought before a magistrate for a bail hearing. He does not have a lawyer and wants to argue for himself. The magistrate says "you can get a lawyer these days for 50 Rs." The accused replies "I can't, because the Rs. 50 lawyers have all become magistrates now."

It is time to make lower judiciary more attractive and pull in high quality law graduates, and not just those with limited options.
kianganz 28 Aug 2014, 08:30
+4 -0
An interesting counter-argument that's also worth considering.

Just because there are limited career options (because there are only 200 or so law firm jobs going around every year), doesn't mean that candidates who come to the judiciary or the bar from lower-ranked law schools will make worse judges or litigators.

While I agree with you that both of those career paths need to be made more attractive, with the mushrooming NLSes in every state, you arguably do end up with an overall better-educated inflow of lawyers to the bench and bar, compared to the really garbage law schools where you turn up once after 3 years to pick up your certificate and that's it.

And that was kind of what the national law school project was about. So why you can't stop law firms and corporates from picking off the 'best of the best' from the oldest NLSes, the newer NLSes are causing some of the funding and tighter academic rigour from an NLS 5-year model to trickle down into the profession.

Maybe?
pseudo lawyer 28 Aug 2014, 13:49
+1 -1
well, i dont agree that lower judiciary attracts lowly ranked students...on the contrary i know people who were amongst high scorers in college and joined judiciary...one such example being a 2009 pass out of NLUJ, who joined Delhi judiciary
@ Judge 28 Aug 2014, 15:02
+0 -1
I don't think Your Lordship needs to pass value judgements, while making a valid point in the end.

You essentially seem to suggest that better compensation will draw graduates from NLS, NUJS, and NALSAR - interesting that you put NUJS second - to the lower judiciary, which will improve as a consequence. You are also saying that the students from the new NLUs, like RGNUL, are not as good!

First: I have seen enough graduates who are much below the "Biglaw" standard from NLS, NUJS, and NALSAR. To be fair, less from NLS.

Second: Yes, the new NLUs have a lesser no. of top-quality students. That aside, there are many quality graduates from NLUD, RGNUL, GNLU.

Third, I think you work in a law firm and have never seen litigating lawyers or the trial courts. Many magistrates are very competent, as are many young trial lawyers from 3-year law colleges.

Fourth, it is sad to see an educated person being narrow-minded. Don't be a frog in the well!
NR 30 Aug 2014, 15:12
+2 -0
Dear judge,

What is your authority to pass such a statement? Cracking the Judiciary is a big thing. BTW, I know that you are a student at some NLU who will end up working under baap ka lawyer. I know this because I can see through your insecurity which made you post this comment.

Try being a part of the Bar and then you can mail me. :)

Such a waste dude!
Guest 30 Aug 2014, 18:40
+2 -1
[quote name="NR"]Dear judge,

What is your authority to pass such a statement? Cracking the Judiciary is a big thing. BTW, I know that you are a student at some NLU who will end up working under baap ka lawyer. I know this because I can see through your insecurity which made you post this comment.

Try being a part of the Bar and then you can mail me. :)

Such a waste dude![/quote]

Cracking judiciary is actually quite simple for an NLU-lawyer if language paper can be cleared. The problem is whether the service is worth it. Its not. The work conditions are the toughest in India, promotions are difficult, and frustration is high. An NLU product could be a great lower judge but still not make the cut to the High Court at age 55+. Until service conditions improve and the present bias in favour of the bar for HC selection is discontinued lower judiciary is as bad as some of these civil services such as Railways service, Revenue Service, etc.
revenue service 31 Aug 2014, 03:14
+2 -2
[quote name="Guest"][quote name="NR"]Dear judge,

What is your authority to pass such a statement? Cracking the Judiciary is a big thing. BTW, I know that you are a student at some NLU who will end up working under baap ka lawyer. I know this because I can see through your insecurity which made you post this comment.

Try being a part of the Bar and then you can mail me. :)

Such a waste dude![/quote]

Cracking judiciary is actually quite simple for an NLU-lawyer if language paper can be cleared. The problem is whether the service is worth it. Its not. The work conditions are the toughest in India, promotions are difficult, and frustration is high. An NLU product could be a great lower judge but still not make the cut to the High Court at age 55+. Until service conditions improve and the present bias in favour of the bar for HC selection is discontinued lower judiciary is as bad as some of these civil services such as Railways service, Revenue Service, etc.[/quote]

reading your judgmental self i am a bit confused- you are not by any chance the duke of edinburg, are you? "as bad as some of these civil services such as Railways service, Revenue Service, etc."? you do realize that the Indian Revenue Service is one of the most sought after, ultra prestigious of the employment avenues in this country, right? from reading your comment you seem to be one of those typical first or second years of the nlus who think the world of corporate law. just to enlighten you, the most senior of partners of big law end up getting the bitch treatment from the most junior of I.R.S. officers. before commenting, please do your research. you don't have to type just cause you access to a keyboard.
Guest 31 Aug 2014, 16:17
+5 -2
[quote name="revenue service"]

reading your judgmental self i am a bit confused- you are not by any chance the duke of edinburg, are you? "as bad as some of these civil services such as Railways service, Revenue Service, etc."? you do realize that the Indian Revenue Service is one of the most sought after, ultra prestigious of the employment avenues in this country, right? from reading your comment you seem to be one of those typical first or second years of the nlus who think the world of corporate law. just to enlighten you, the most senior of partners of big law end up getting the bitch treatment from the most junior of I.R.S. officers. before commenting, please do your research. you don't have to type just cause you access to a keyboard.[/quote]

I will clear up ur confusion. The Revenue service not only has a nauseating job profile but they are among the most corrupt of all civil servants. I dont think corporate law is too great but its certainly better than enforcing Income Tax Act / Central Excise Act for 40 years. U are welcome to do that if you want to, but not me. Im sure lots of uneducated youths like you have a fascination for such jobs so go ahead. Me, I'm fine in my cubicle.

I pay my taxes so the taxman can go f*** himself.
gospel of truth 1 Sept 2014, 15:01
+0 -0
open up your knowledge basket cause here it comes, from 'guest'. on a serious note, you seem to be one obnoxious fellow, if you were my guest i'd never open the door.
anonymous 1 Sept 2014, 15:20
+2 -0
how is the job profile of a corporate lawyer? exciting as that of a wildlife photographer- living on the edge while reviewing those pile of papers?
Guest 1 Sept 2014, 22:07
+0 -0
[quote name="anonymous"]how is the job profile of a corporate lawyer? exciting as that of a wildlife photographer- living on the edge while reviewing those pile of papers?[/quote]

All jobs are repetitive, even Special Forces commandos must be wondering if they have the most boring of all jobs doing the same PT and drill every day in their barracks. A corporate lawyer cannot expect to start off doing anything exciting but in a relatively short time 2-4 years a good lawyer can reach a position where she is responsible for leading transactions that are at least slightly interesting.

Btw I knew a wildlife photographer once. He complained alwys that his job sucked big time.
anonymous 2 Sept 2014, 01:23
+0 -0
the wonder that guest is-

the guest (not in any particular order:
1.knows about the working conditions and exact job profile of the top bureaucrats.
2.acquainted with the versatile character of a law firm associate's life.
3. knows about the nature/level of education/academic backgrounds of li readers.
4.knew a wildlife photographer once- confided in him while he gave him his shoulder to cry on.
5.is also not oblivious to the motivation levels (or the lack of it) of Special Forces Commandos.

dear guest, could you please share your thoughts on the following professions:
1.snake charmer;
2.tantrik;
3.pro wrestler;
4.astronaut.

p.s.- you should be the guest at the white house.
Guest 2 Sept 2014, 09:19
+0 -0
[quote name="anonymous"]the wonder that guest is-

the guest (not in any particular order:
1.knows about the working conditions and exact job profile of the top bureaucrats.
2.acquainted with the versatile character of a law firm associate's life.
3. knows about the nature/level of education/academic backgrounds of li readers.
4.knew a wildlife photographer once- confided in him while he gave him his shoulder to cry on.
5.is also not oblivious to the motivation levels (or the lack of it) of Special Forces Commandos.

dear guest, could you please share your thoughts on the following professions:
1.snake charmer;
2.tantrik;
3.pro wrestler;
4.astronaut.

p.s.- you should be the guest at the white house.[/quote]

I feel sorry for you...you'll spend your life drooling over how other professions apparently have it better than you. Guess its only human not to realise how lucky you are.

Dunno about you but I like to talk to pple to get an idea of their work life in case it is good enough to attempt to make a change. After having done some research I came to the conclusion tht Im a good lawyer and am happy with tht. Stories of "dignity" and "power" quoted by young kids don't impress me much.

Anyways pal, your job yur life. If it makes you reach nirvana, be a chimny sweep.

And if you still think revenue services are India's "top bureaucrats", you really need to read that link to get back to reality.
NR 1 Sept 2014, 18:36
+0 -0
You can get a job at AMSS or Trilegal after 1 or 2 months of toil. But, same is not the case for Civils. So yeah. Also, if you are interested in generalising things, olease keep in mind that as an associate at a law firm, the only job you have to do is copying and filling the existing templates, minor research and due dilligence. so yeah.

Judge/ Civil Servant= Status+ Decent Money+ Time+ Perks+ Power+ A variety of work (depending where you are)

Associate at Big 6 firms= Lesser status+ Good Money+ No Power+ Lesser Time+ Boring work (initial 2-3 years)
Guest 1 Sept 2014, 22:04
+1 -0
[quote name="NR"]You can get a job at AMSS or Trilegal after 1 or 2 months of toil. But, same is not the case for Civils. So yeah. Also, if you are interested in generalising things, olease keep in mind that as an associate at a law firm, the only job you have to do is copying and filling the existing templates, minor research and due dilligence. so yeah.

Judge/ Civil Servant= Status+ Decent Money+ Time+ Perks+ Power+ A variety of work (depending where you are)

Associate at Big 6 firms= Lesser status+ Good Money+ No Power+ Lesser Time+ Boring work (initial 2-3 years)[/quote]

Life across the fence always seems better. To all those posting comments here who I guess are NLU-products or in law firms it may seem very fashionable to be a judge or a revenue service officer (some fool here is so taken by it he uses it as a nick LOL).

Revenue Service officers work day is by far worse than a law firm associate. The "work" involves scrutinizing compliance with tax codes which is anything but interesting. Within the civil services they are the bitches of the IAS and scores of them are arrested every year for corruption / bribes etc. Colleagues are unsophisticated, largely uneducated except for rote-learning of UPSC syllibus and to someone who has spent 5 years at NLS and NALSAR will be a big shock. In such an atmosphere a bright NLU lawyer will be suffocated. Check out this insider account which reveals how bad the service conditions are and how much frustration IRS officers face
http://www.babusofindia.com/2013/02/a-department-4200-irs-officers-ias-boss.html

Lower judicial service judges have possibly the worst of all civil service jobs. They are stuck between the HC for promotions and the state Govt for pay and service transfers. court premises. Resources are horrible and the cadre is so bad that jugaad rules success. Then there is severe discrimination in promotion to the high court and negligible chance of making it to SC. (Only 2-3 lower court judges have risen through the ranks and become SC judges in history). The work profile is pretty similar to an AMSS style job ... except it is in local language for a large part. Certainly one of the worst Group B government jobs in the country.

The myth of having "power" is what lures fools to these jobs. If "power" means to you the service prerogative of penalising a tax-defaulter than certainly you are welcome to it. IMHO power means the respect people have for your lawyering abilities or human values and the esteem that colleagues, juniors and bosses bestow on you. Even an A-2 associate in AMSS can achieve power if he is a gifted lawyer, intelligent and works hard.
hehehe... nice ans dude! 30 Aug 2014, 23:06
+1 -0
He dont know anything about judiary or court, he never knew dignity of a magistrate... I have his all foolish and childish statement, it seems like he is patient of NLUFOBIA... Lolz
Analysis 28 Aug 2014, 09:05
+3 -0
It is disappointing to see that NLU Patiala is not able to place most of its students. These kids (or more appropriately their parents) pay a lot of money as fees and if the institute cannot have them placed, then the situation is quite grim. I dread to think of students who have taken a student loan to pay for NLU fees and then end up with no job.
horrible 28 Aug 2014, 13:22
+4 -2
i really think the time has come to introspect regarding the viability of attending these so called elite law schools if the market does not find them capable enough of bringing value to the table. Rs 10 lakhs or so spent in attending these institutions is way beyond hefty per indian socio economic conditions. in addition there's also the opportunity cost involved. and btw, its 'deloitte', not 'delloite'. from the figures above, there have been only two nlu like placements, 1 jsa and 1 deloitte. the school is in shambles.
JMFC 28 Aug 2014, 13:25
+3 -1
Trial judges are the foundation on which our judicial pyramid rests.ONLY those who work as trial judges can appreciate the challenging nature of work one has to do every single day in this service.Others can remain content in cracking lame jokes.
pi 28 Aug 2014, 16:16
+1 -0
nlus should lobby for indian judicial service
Jobs v. education 29 Aug 2014, 05:53
+1 -1
Interesting how people focus on jobs, but less on the education. Lawschool is about legal education and not placements. We should focus on which colleges provide better education and facilities.

As far as jobs go, most of the "placed" students quit the law firm sector in 2-6 years and many move to litigation and civil/judicial services. The ones who don't get placed on campus, get the jobs after 2-3 years in small firms/in-house/litigation.
counter- argument 29 Aug 2014, 08:51
+3 -0
interesting point, but how do you measure the quality of education? surely a parameter of the quality of students, hence the level of their education, graduating out of an educational institute is their employability. placement figures have thus long been regarded universally as a yardstick for gauging merit. secondly, we're not in the era of nehruvian socialism anymore. india woke up to the potential of the private sector while ushering the first generation reforms in the early 90s. surely these students, by not joining the workforce, either voluntarily or involuntarily, aren't doing the nation any favour. they are only adversely impacting the dependency ratio from a macroeconomic standpoint.each year the graduates of these newer nlus come up with flimsy arguments of 'taking the civils'. the first batch of rgnul graduated in 2011, how many have qualified for the services thus far? civil service examinations are not a joke, it is not to be looked upto as a resort of last choice when the whole world finds you unworthy. those who crack the civils opt for a career in bureaucracy out of choice and not compulsion.
Jobs v. education 1 Sept 2014, 07:13
+0 -0
I am not saying placements shouldn’t be a benchmark. My limited point is people seem to focus [u]only[/u] on the placement stats, thanks to post-liberalisation opportunities. The achievements of a lawschool and a candidate in terms of moots and publications are equally relevant factors to judge the level of overall education and achievements. A lawschool is also judged by LLM admissions. Unfortunately, jobs have become “The benchmark” and we focus [i]less[/i] on other achievemnts. If you don’t know this already, most of the brightest graduates who get hired from campus leave their law-firm jobs within a few years.

As far as the new colleges go, most law firms don’t bother to visit Patiala/Lucknow/Patna, or even Raipur/Gandhinagar, if they can fill their “hiring quota” with lesser performers from the top NLUs. I have seen some really smart graduates from the new NLUs and some undeserving recruits from the top lawschools, hence the observation.

You seem to “blame” graduates who prefer to opt for UPSC or the Bar. Again, reflective of the “placements are end all” attitude. If the first batch of RGNUL graduated in 2011, we can’t really have too many of its alumni in civils. Most people who crack UPSC, including the toppers, take a few years to prepare and more than one attempt to secure a top rank. Not to mention that RGNUL graduates are less likely to have guidance from alumni.

In case you’ve missed it, law is still the last resort for many. Doesn’t make it less rewarding in the long run.


[i][b]P.S. [/b] I am not from RGNUL. [/i]
pseudo lawyer 29 Aug 2014, 08:54
+0 -0
Kian, y do u not publish my comments
kianganz 29 Aug 2014, 09:06
+0 -0
Sorry, unintentional error - now published!
pseudo lawyer 29 Aug 2014, 11:56
+1 -0
kian u sure its unintentional everytime ;)
kianganz 29 Aug 2014, 11:56
+1 -0
I'm not sure, yours certainly seem to not get published more often than others, sorry ;)
terrible placements 29 Aug 2014, 09:32
+1 -1
Most of the kids going for the NLU LLM or lower judiciary are mostly the ones who couldn't lay their hands on anything
surprising 29 Aug 2014, 14:41
+1 -2
this particular law school's case is rather curious. established in 2006 it has been around for a while, enough to come out of the 'nascent stage-still finding feet' argument. its students are more than capable of performing in a law firm/in house/corporate role, atleast the ones i've come across during internships, moots, fests etc. from what i hear they've an amazing infra now, apparently the best going around in the law school circuit, if not in all of indian universities. yet, year after year, they struggle to find jobs. what is the problem then? too much drugs going around the campus? pure lethargy to actually work and be a meaningful member of the community post graduation? five years of punjab taking its effect?
Jobs v. education 1 Sept 2014, 07:16
+3 -1
Firms are hiring less and have no reason to visit Patiala as the older NLUs supply them enough fresh associates. Not every graduate of RGNUL is lethargic, under achieving, or on drugs.
ex rgnulite 24 Sept 2014, 09:27
+2 -0
[quote]Not every graduate of RGNUL is lethargic, under achieving, or on drugs.[/quote]
Every graduate of RGNUL is atleast one of those things. I speak from experience, being in the first category.