Stand down, stand by (for the SC): Cal HC effectively stays 30% NUJS reservation (pending writ) [UPDATE-3] • Bgl HC strikes down NLS’ 25% [READ JUDGMENT]

Judicial halts to NLS, NUJS, NLU-D state reservations are very likely to end in the apex court
Judicial halts to NLS, NUJS, NLU-D state reservations are very likely to end in the apex court

The Calcutta high court has today issued an interim stay in the writ petition challenging the state government’s 30% domicile reservation at NUJS Kolkata.

It is understood that the two-judge division bench headed by Justice IP Mukherjee said today that the admissions at NUJS Kolkata should remain subject to the writ petition.

The judges also directed the single-judge bench hearing the case to rule on the petition in several weeks (we were not able to confirm the exact timeline ordered by the court, as the written order is awaited; we will update the article with more details when this becomes available).

Update 19:32: The Calcutta HC order is now out and available here. No strict timeline was mentioned in the written order, but the judges said: “We request the learned Single Judge to hear out the writ application as expeditiously as possible after exchange of affidavits.”

Clarification 23:21: The text of the full order is short of an outright stay, though in effect it appears to have the result of staying admissions depending on the outcome of the case. The judges noted: “… we are not minded to keep this appeal pending and delay adjudication of the main lis. In those circumstances, we dispose of this appeal by observing that the subject admission will abide by the result of the writ application.”

Update 1 October, 11:58: The Times of India Calcutta edition carried a quote from NUJS Kolkata vice chancellor (VC) Prof Nirmal Kanti Chakraborty, saying: “We will start our admissions on October 9 as we have been directed.” While the VC does not mention reservations in his quote, the article itself stated that the division bench order “allowed NUJS to start its admissions process keeping the 30% domicile quota”.

The petition has been filed by two Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) aspirants from Uttar Pradesh, who are represented by advocate Fauzia Shakil and was argued by advocate Rohit Das (both are NUJS LLB graduates).

The single-judge bench of Justice Debangsu Basak, which was hearing the case had declined to pass any interim orders, according to LiveLaw on 16 September, after which the petitioners approached the division bench.

NLSIU reservation struck down yesterday: What does this mean for NLUs?

The Karnataka high court had yesterday struck down NLSIU Bangalore’s 25% domicile reservation.

The judgment in that case could be a landmark, however, it has not yet been uploaded on the high court’s website.

Update 17:37: Read the judgment here or the embed below.

Whenever the judgment is available for eading, the devil will lie in the details.

Furthermore, it was exceedingly likely that the Karnataka government would appeal the high court’s decision to the Supreme Court, according to four sources we spoke to, who are familiar with the case and subject matter.

If so, and depending on what happens in the Calcutta high court with NUJS, we could be seeing a landmark case in the apex court that might decide once and for all how and whether the states hosting national law universities (NLUs) can impose domicile reservations.

NLU Delhi’s 50% reservation, for instance, had been stayed for this year in late June, as it had become a trend for state governments to reserve seats for their respective electorates.

Is NLSIU more special than other NLUs?

According to several lawyers with knowledge of the cases, the law in this area is not entirely settled.

According to LiveLaw, the Bangalore-based bench had said yesterday:

The amendment is ultra vires to the act. The State government has no State and has no direct say in the functioning of the law school. It is an autonomous institute and not aided by the state government…

If we allow this thing (state reservation) to be done virtually there will be two centers of control, one with executive council and other by state which will be an unhealthy trend… By the impugned amendment what is sought to be created is a state quota which is not permissible.

NLSIU is on par with AIIMS, IIT and IIM, where there is no reservation quota… This law school is not on par with other law schools. Other schools are giving reservations thus it is not necessary that Karnataka must also do it.

Other law schools came up with reservations as students were not getting in Karnataka school under the 80 seats quota.

NLSIU, of course, is a somewhat special case as being the first national law school established in India via a superhuman effort of the late Prof Madhava Menon, sometimes known as the godfather of modern Indian legal education, and the late senior counsel Ram Jethmalani, who was at that time chairman of the Bar Council of India (BCI).

(Jethmalani also incidentally held the record as the longest-serving BCI chairman, which has in the last few months probably been eclipsed by BCI chairman Manan Kumar Mishra, subject to how you count a gap in his tenure).

The case in Karnataka was filed on behalf of NLS alumni and lawyers Satyajit Sarna and Nikhil Singhvi, argued by fellow alumnus and advocate CK Nandakumar.

We understand that one of the arguments made against the NLS quota had relied on the fact that the BCI had been more closely involved in its founding, as well as in its establishing National Law School of India Act 1986, resulting in the formation of a society and trust. The statement of objects and reasons of the Act records:

To carry out that object the Bar Council of India created a charitable trust called the Bar Council of India Trust which in turn registered a Society known as the National Law School of India Society, in Karnataka. The Society framed necessary rules to manage the National Law School of India with powers to confer degrees,

diplomas, etc., and requested the State Government to assist it, by establishing the School as a University by a statue so that it could carry out its objects effectively. The State Government considers it desirable to encourage the establishment of such a national level institution in the State

That said, the BCI’s relevance in the functioning of NLS nowadays is probably no greater or more important than it is at most other NLUs.

How special are other NLUs

By way of example, NUJS Kolkata - also founded by Madhava Menon - in its 1999 establishing Act makes explicit references to NLSIU:

WHEREAS the Committee appointed by the Chief Justices’ Conference on Legal Education and Training (1993) has recommended the establishment in each State of an institution on the model of the National Law School of India University at Bangalore;

AND WHEREAS the All India Law Ministers’ Conference (1995) has resolved to set up in each State a Law School modeled on the lines of the National Law School of India University at Bangalore for improving the quality of professional legal education.

The argument advanced by the petitioners in the Calcutta high court is therefore quite similar, at least in part, namely that NUJS too was fundamentally at its founding intended to be modelled on NLS.

We understand that the arguments in the Calcutta high court (as well as partly in Bangalore) also included the following contentions:

  • both NLSIU and NUJS were not in fact mostly dependent on state funds but most of their costs were actually funded by student tuition fees,
  • under Article 14, it would be discriminatory to distinguish between applicants to the NLUs on the basis of their residence (and in the NUJS case, in particular, domicile was defined very vaguely), and
  • that the West Bengal state government did not advance any reasons or apparently do any research about whether the reservation would meet certain aims compatible with Article 14.

Only medical case law so far

The main case law from the Supreme Court in college and state domicile reservations are Dr Pradeep Jain Etc vs UOI (1984) and the older DP Joshi

vs the State of Madhya Pradesh from 1955.

However, both of those are about medical colleges and though both have some things in common, doctoring is a somewhat different profession than lawyering.

Furthermore, institutions such as the All India Insitutes of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) were established by a central government act.

IITs are more similar to NLUs from that perspective.

The most likely destination in all the NLU petitions seems to be the Supreme Court, as state governments are unlikely to take adverse judgments such as the Bangalore one lying down.

If the Calcutta high court decides similarly, or even if it doesn’t, the Supreme Court might then very well decide that this is not just an NLS issue but one that concerns all the NLUs.

If that happens, we might end up with all dozens of state governments as parties, alongside the law schools themselves, and the CLAT consortium.

If so, that case could take a long time to finish (and the current NLS judgment could become the status quo at Bangalore, without domicile reservations for now).

NLS Domicile Reservations Judgment

Many thanks for all interest and tips regarding this story from readers. We will update this story when the NUJS order and NLS judgment are out.

Comments

NOOJIE 30 Sept 2020, 11:21
+12 -1
OH HELL YES, NO MORE DILUTION. ELSE, WE WOULD'VE GONE THE WAY OF NLIU, beginning with the Batch of 2025.
DW 30 Sept 2020, 11:30
+4 -0
Dw even if this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have gone as low as NLIU

Top 4 is worst for us......
Woowoo 30 Sept 2020, 12:04
+22 -3
Both advs for petitioner are NUJS

They’re gonna bring the glory home babyy
Haha 30 Sept 2020, 12:55
Troll
+2 -16
What a judgment by the High Court in Bangalore. All naysayers and non-NLS NLUs put in their place. Kudos!
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:29
+11 -3
Thank you Rohit and Fauzia and no thanks SJA. I hope the students will now make an effort to involve alumni more -- especially people from the Menon/Chimni/Singh era who really built the college's reputation.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:38
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As the article correctly says, NLSIU cannot be compared with other NLUs as is it is the only national law school and was set up by the then BCI chair Mr Jethmalani. It is also crucial to remember that the names of other NLUs have the name of the state in them: WBNUJS, GNLU, MNLU, HPNLU etc. Even the BCI and Learned Additional Solicitor General Mr Banerjee have accepted this, so what dispute is there? Thus, KSLU should be included in CLAT with 50% state domicile and NLSIU should be declared as an INI with a separate exam and zero domicile.
Borrowed Name 2 Oct 2020, 18:53
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You are right, NLS must have been set up by the BCI as their own little parlour game, for when one goes to the NLS website to see, if there is any statute by way of which it was established, it says : The page you're looking for does not exist.

(https://www.nls.ac.in/about/nlsiu-statute/)

P.S. I thought I will make a joke about your university, turns out your university beat me to it.
Huh 3 Oct 2020, 03:31
+2 -0
Only if you had known how to browse through a website, bud.

https://www.nls.ac.in/about/about-nlsiu/
Lol 3 Oct 2020, 03:56
+1 -0
Seems like you beat everyone to making you look like a fool.

Look under 'Governance' in this link: https://www.nls.ac.in/about/about-nlsiu/
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:39
+3 -6
Standing ovation to Sudhir and alumni for bravely fighting state interference. Where are the haters now?
Ankitha 30 Sept 2020, 18:59
+2 -1
Sudhir had nothing to do with this. NLS was merely a fence sitting Respondent when petitions were filed by others. This is why the Karnataka Govt knows they can roll over Sudhir and NLS. They never came up with a domicile law before this.
Haha 1 Oct 2020, 16:15
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Maybe you should know that Sudhir and team were actively coordinating the WP from behind the scenes, because officially the Law School couldn't have had a position either way. If anything, Sudhir's earnestness for a challenge took off after the Karnataka Govt drastically cut the annual grant, after making the reservation. So, yes, this is to Sudhir's absolute credit.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 16:56
+1 -0
Why couldn't Law School have had an official position? I thought the main argument is that it is an organization independent of the government! What you are saying doesn't paint Sudhir in a good light at all. Makes him appear to be double-dealing and duplicitous. Especially after his recent shenanigans.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 16:59
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Really? How did you know who had been 'coordinating' things from behind? Because Sudhir and friends told you that? Unless the petitioners themselves or their lawyers actually say that they have got assistance from the NLSIU administration (which they did not), not a shred of this credit goes to Sudhir. Stop making him seem like a paragon who has a hand behind everything and give him undue credit for other people's hard work.
Guesteest 3 Oct 2020, 12:17
+0 -1
Well, if you were anybody worth anything in the profession, you would know that the Sudhir coordinated this through the alumni association, the petitioners were constantly in touch with him and an alum SC senior counsel.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:51
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Because that is clearly not a conflict of interest.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:45
+10 -0
Nationalise NLUs, sack clown law minister RS Prasad, sack clown BCI chairman Manan Mishra.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:01
+4 -0
Do the rain check after Bihar elections.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:46
+13 -0
NUJS got saved from a further dip in NIRF rank.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:59
+4 -0
NKC is still the VC.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:22
+2 -0
The dip has taken place during Taluk's period. NIRF hasn't evaluated the first year of NKC's reign yet. Expect something around the same as PIB, nothing a lot better or worse.
Better 1 Oct 2020, 04:13
+1 -1
Better for sure man
Undoubtedly
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 13:57
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[img]https://image.scoopwhoop.com/w594/s4.scoopwhoop.com/anj/mamta_didi/647725212.jpg[/img]
Pi 30 Sept 2020, 13:58
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https://services.ecourts.gov.in/ecourtindiaHC/cases/display_pdf.php?filename=U%2BbhtlrLe2adAHN8Tz%2F1d1Zu7fJNz4B6EuDp2hVGQzYzKqCM%2B91Wg8TwFIbwffrm&caseno=MAT/591/2020&cCode=3&appFlag=


nujs order
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 14:00
+0 -12
Now file a petition ether challenging how NKC was appointed as VC or seeking disclosure of the reasons he was thought to be more qualified than VCV.
reasons 30 Sept 2020, 14:17
+4 -5
Domicile quota for NKS, further he knows bengali. these were the reasons, so now it is disclosed.
Why? 30 Sept 2020, 16:10
+1 -0
But what’s the point when he’s doing a FAB job at NUJS anyway?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:57
+4 -2
NKC doing FAB job? Lord Strength and his friends told you that? Oh...you read "that" piece on SJA website?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:36
+0 -1
The fab comment was probably sarcasm?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 14:25
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This is what the NUJS admin will argue: Where has the Cal HC stayed the quota? It just says NUJS will abide by the court's decision. It means NUJS can continue with quota this year.
006 30 Sept 2020, 14:31
+3 -1
As a Noojie, proud that the NUJS domicile has been stayed and hope the amendment is also quashed. Practically speaking though NUJS has a much weaker case than NLSIU, because state interference has been rampant. NUJS has been held hostage by the State Govt on multiple occasions, and the administration is agreeable to the domicile purely because it comes with a promise of funding and land from the State.

NLSIU's argument that it was created by the BCI and is autonomous and independent from the State Government is true, and that does make it different from all other NLUs. Like it or not, the other NLUs were created by the respective States and those governments retained a measure of control over the NLUs. The Karnataka HC judgment makes this quite clear.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:24
+12 -0
The NLSIU Act isn't a BCI legislation, it still came from the Karnataka government. Just because the Karnataka HC Judge was a fanboy who failed to see the law, doesn't mean you have to be one too. I for one am glad though that the domicile quota has been struck down at NLS, for whatever reason.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 15:58
+1 -0
The advocate representing NUJS is from the 1st batch. Further details here

http://www.kundaliaassociates.com/profile.html
Guest420 30 Sept 2020, 17:39
+2 -0
I read somewhere in comments of some other article that NUJS told the court that everything is fine with quota, its lawful etc. Well of course this may be wrong.
2 alumni representing students for removing the domicile quota and 1 alumni representing nujs arguing in support of quota.(assuming ki that comment was true)
Well looks like alumni vs alumni, both in a way working for thier alma mater
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 16:00
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Kian, what was the big ballyhoo about? Cal HC division bench simply suggested that the matter be heard expeditiously and that NUJS should abide by the Court's decision (as if it had any choice). Don't even understand why the DB took time to issue such anodyne orders....
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 16:04
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Kian, did your faV tipster exaggerate? Such acts of distraction are necessary when someone has [...] and is facing another inquiry to probe whether [...] during a promotion process. Irrespective of the outcome of the second, yet to be conducted inquiry, the promotion stands cancelled. NKC is really risking it [...].

Last time a VC [...]. Then the cat dragged in someone....and down we went the rabbit hole
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 16:18
+2 -1
Kian, I think you should change the heading of this story; the part dealing with NUJS. No stay order has been issued. You can say that DB nudges SB to hear the matter expeditiously. Don't raise false hopes/alarms.

By the way someone in another post (possibly the CLAT story) said that s/he has the draft of NUJS' response for Cal HC. Apparently, Kian had to do a story before that cat was let out of the bag. So what is NUJS' position? Kian did you get an advance copy of that "document"?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:47
+0 -0
Agreed. I am not sure if the quota has been stayed. Certainly, the TMC gang will push for the quota to stay.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 16:37
+3 -0
Any word on WPA 3757/2020 in Calcutta HC? Was filed on Feb 24, 2020 just after the Income Tax froze NUJS bank accounts to recover Rs 7.71 crores in unpaid taxes for AY 2016-17. For reasons that were not explained by NKC to EC on Aug 22, 2020, the Income Tax went away with only Rs 4.64 crores. So what gives?

Now, NUJS has apparently "won" the case in Cal HC. Justice Bobby Saraf, NLS'96 was the judge.

But what does this win entail? IT will return Rs 4.64 crores? By when? Likely that IT will appeal. What about the appeal in ITAT Kolkata?
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 05:38
+2 -0
The ITAT has decided in favor of the university too. The department would have to refund.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:52
+2 -0
Mihidana and Sitabhog for everyone!!
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 16:43
+4 -1
In the NLS emphatic win in Kar HC, two unlikely heroes who prefer to remain in shadows (for now):

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tejasvi_Surya

2. His mentor and patron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._L._Santhosh

And that's how the cookie really crumbled https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/bsys-conflict-with-his-party-expands-a-tv-sting-in-the-mix-2302636

Then again, what do I know. Messiah Messiah
Guest 100 30 Sept 2020, 17:04
+2 -1
How is Mr. Tejasvi Surya involved here?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:13
+5 -1
Kian, the NUJS domicile quota order is available on the Cal HC website. It really doesn't walk the line that you wrote. Somebody fed you a slanted version. By the way, have you spoken to NKC about this? Unlike Lord Taluk, NKC will take your call but the difficulty starts thereafter. But try decipher what you can. Also note that NKC only likes fawning pieces. Will throw a fit that is even slightly critical. Good luck
kianganz 30 Sept 2020, 18:04
+1 -0
Thanks for pointing out, we have added a clarification to the article. We understand that in court the judges had said that admissions should be subject to the outcome of the case, and that it should be adjudicated within weeks.

And while the division bench never outright ordered a stay in court or in the written order, in practice it seems to allow only one interpretation: if the single judge were to eventually stay or strike down the quota and NUJS has already completed admission of 33% domicile candidates, it would be impossible for "the subject admission [to] abide by the result of the writ application", as the division bench had ordered (at least without rescinding offers and throwing the entire process into chaos).

That said, starting admissions without the quota would probably not be possible either, since the single judge might uphold the reservation, which would also cause problems with the seat list.

In short, it does appear to be a de facto stay and one that could delay the entire CLAT admissions process if it's not disposed of promptly. Happy to hear thoughts on this...
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:28
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NUJS admin might just go ahead with the admission under pressure from the consortium. They would include the quota too. If the judge rules against the quota, for this year, simply more seats would be added (nobody knows where the space and resources might come from though, but triple occupancy hostel rooms ftw). The CLAT admission won't be stopped because poor Sudhir might actually have a stroke if his precious trimester gets delayed any further.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:50
+0 -0
Kian, this is misreporting and borderline contempt unless you confirm that the HC stayed the quota. It is not stated in the order. I can't see NKC and his TMC masters (law minister and AG) interpreting the judgement to mean no quota. Maybe someone else should just approach the SC directly?
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:03
+6 -0
Apparently, this entire narrative of NKC being happily controlled by AG and LM isn't entirely true. Sources tell me that he has been chafing at the bit ever since, but for lack of support from faculty, Sensational Regi et al, he can't really do anything about it. Last EC has seen that when the faculty recruitment got stuck in the doldrums because LM and state wanted to tamper with reservation categories. [...] is the LM's Hand in this. A perfect example of how lack of competence can be overcome by shameless bootlicking. With the SJA [...] absolutely blind about everything other than project extensions and attendance and repeat exams, any kind of coordinated resistance from the students isn't gonna happen anytime soon or later.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:20
+4 -2
Yes, everybody knows which faculty in the EC the Law Minister Moloy Ghatak has been using to create an 'environment of toxicity' at NUJS.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:29
+11 -0
The SJA new leadership is insipid enough to simply sleep through this all like they do during the online classes.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:19
+3 -1
You are so mistaken. NKC is in the midst of changing the jersey (the only one that matters), again. Because certain equations have changed, NKC wants to embarrass the state govt. Earlier he was privately pushing for 50% quota and intake capacity being raised to 180. That's how the lack of BCI affiliation since 2011 got caught in July 2020 but he informed the EC only in Dec 2020.

NKC is that sheep who got the lion.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:31
+1 -1
Getting a little too caught up with your diatribe to actually make sense of dates, are you now? December 2020? It's okay, comments with hidden agenda can contain such 'inadvertent errors'.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 17:52
+0 -0
Bar & Bench and LiveLaw are not reporting this because there is confusion if the quota has been stayed. Kian probably got inside info from the lawyers, but it's not clear from the order what the court said.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:05
+0 -0
Petitioner's lawyers never said anything of the kind. Spoke to one of the petitioners today.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:12
+0 -0
Nothing in the order says that the quota has been stayed. DB actually was reluctant to intervene. Wonder why it even did what it did (basically nothing or some window dressing for unstated reasons). DB did not even direct but only urged the SB to hear the matter expeditiously although I am not sure SB was being slow. The SB judge is well respected. He was also the judge whose order finally led to the firing of a former Registrar who reportedly scammed Rs 3 crores worth of UGC grants. Kian did some great reporting then (saw that streak again with NLAT)

The DB order is available on the Cal HC website. Wonder how/why BB and LI and even Kian cannot find it. I read it just now before writing this.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:01
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BIG BREAKING NEWS: I just spoke to an influential faculty member over the phone. The person said that the domicile quota will continue and may even be hiked to 50% just before the elections, if the court rules in favour. The person said that the correct interpretation of the order is that given by LiveLaw, which is the opposite of Legally India.

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/challenge-against-nujs-30-domicile-reservation-calcutta-hc-division-bench-refuses-to-interfere-with-single-bench-order-rejecting-plea-for-interim-order-163776
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:18
+3 -3
The hike to 50% is completely unfounded rumour. No faculty member could have said this.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:35
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You have no idea what the faculty can do and will not. And 50% is absolutely true. It was proposed privately by NKC but someone in govt knew better. Flattery can take someone only that far.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:07
+5 -1
And we are supposed to take your word for it why? By any chance got any evidence to back your allegations up? Not that what you said about 50% domicile and what the original comment said are the same, but I guess your agenda is pretty clear for all to see.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:32
+1 -0
I agree. I don't know if it is the same faculty member but more than one told me (guess the jaws flap better when students become alumni) that NKC as part of initial (fill your choice) licking had proposed that domicile quota be raised to 50% and govt fund expansion to 180 seats. But something happened midway and NKC now has a testy relationship with the govt.

Dunno who drew first blood but NKC is cross with govt asking inconvenient questions. Initially, NKC tried the excuse that he cannot be held responsible for the sins of PIB. But two problems cropped up. First, some of his acolytes were part of that PIB mess and second, NKC went ahead and committed his own acts of omission and commission.

So, now more inquiries have been ordered. Kian, this is true. Please check with your sources in NUJS. There are more elements than just Jal Vayu.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:10
Troll Contested
+0 -15
NUJS is not at all comparable to Law School, so the domicile quota will be upheld. Aside from prestige, academic standards and NIRF rank, look at the clear differences between Law School and NUJS:

- Full name of NUJS is West Bengal NUJS.
- Chancellor of Law School is CJI, NUJS is state Chief Justice.
- Law School AC/EC has Supreme Court judges, Central Govt Law Officers and top Senior Advocates in Delhi, NUJS only has local people
- State quota is followed in admission, e.g. WB OBC, WB SC/ST
- Domicile quota has existed even before the 30%.
- Faculty is totally local in character.

Please do not try and make a crow into a swan.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:38
+10 -0
It's official. You are actually high. Either that, or your IQ is in the single digits. Some of the glaring errors in your assertions: The CJI is the Chancellor of NUJS too, you idiot! The EC too has at least one SC judge. Didn't know 'Central Government Law Officers' are enviable people to have, but the NUJS EC has several people from all across the country, including the erstwhile NLSIU VC, the IIM Calcutta Director etc. The reservation quota is followed because that is the law of the land, and NLSIU has already been hauled up by the commission for not doing that, it is not an ideal practice of NLSIU to emulate. 'Faculty is totally local in character' - what does that even mean? I blame your [...] and weed for your totally loco sense.
Pi 30 Sept 2020, 18:38
+1 -0
NUJS chancellor is CJI
AC and EC have participants from outside state
Faculty is about 33% local
I believe there was 10% domicile quota introduced in the time of Bhat in lieu of extra land provided by state govt
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:56
+0 -0
Not 10% but 10 seats in lieu of additional parcel of land.
Wrong on some points 30 Sept 2020, 18:43
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Actually 3 nlus- nls, nujs and gnlu(maybe thanks to modiji) have CJI as their chancellor.

Nujs also has SC judges in its council though they are less in number as compared to nls, others members are also good, like IIM C director was/is there in a council. Do not know if anyone is from delhi.

What's the issue with faculty being local ? so if VC of nls is from karnataka (idk if he is) then he is local.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:44
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Would that be the same swan that recently got roasted by the supreme court for holding an illegal exam, inconveniencing thousands of students and proving that it is always willing and ready to break its own word, contractually or otherwise? More like a lame duck, in that case.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:34
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@Kian, you should contact the [...] dormant SJA at NUJS and try to get their response on this issue. They have not even consulted the GB regarding this case.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:59
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They just read the piece on LI right now and following their Patron went BhaatGhoom. Kian, don't bother. Just speak to other sources, [...] included. Just be careful with the latter. Exaggerates a lot on things that matter and leaves out swathes that are inconvenient
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 18:40
+3 -0
Justice Basak can now make himself a hero or villain in the eyes of law students across India. Remember that his judgement will affect other NLUs too.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:09
+8 -0
Yes, that's what a HC judge prays for daily. To make himself a hero in the eyes of law students.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:23
+1 -1
Why not if that aids a comfy post retirement sinecure? Judges are humans.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:00
+1 -0
Kian is right on one count: there is bound to be a big case at the SC involving all NLUs and all states.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:11
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Not anytime soon. Max the NLS matter might reach SC if Karnataka Government pursues it. Chances are that they won't. The alumni lobby would see to it.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:21
+7 -7
Wouldn't know if it is environmental toxicity when the following are pointed out -

1. After SC, the culture of sealed envelopes has struck NUJS via VC. Fine bring the Inquiry Report directly to the EC. And then, simply read out select portions in a way that the EC takes a decision that is VC-convenient? Nobody else gets to read in the EC. Nobody else gets a copy after the EC. Nobody else gets a copy in the next EC as well. If requested, VC slinks away or stonewalls through abuse of authority.

2. IT Dept demands Rs 7.71 crores in unpaid taxes for AY 2016-17. Freezes accounts and takes away Rs 4.64 crores (as per VC). Proper paperwork not presented before EC.

3. More than Rs 4.2 crores refunded to UGC from just Plan XI grants disbursed in 2011-12. Refund late by more than 5 years. NKC takes no action to identify lapses and fix responsibility

4. Same story for lapse in renewing BCI affilaition since 2011.

5. Concerned committee approves 10 teaching positions following roster/reservation per UGC and state rules. NKC unilaterally advertises for 16 positions and that too in variance with UGC and state rules. UNiv gong through financial distress but NKC advertises for additional admin positions without any good reason being discussed in the EC. Recruitment is a great way to settle IoUs now that Annexe Building funds may not come through.

6. Distance Education Inquiry quietly killed off. Refunds authorized by Delhi HC in Jan 2020 not processed. Attempt to restart distance education masked as "evening courses' by "univ faculty"

7. Covering up crores in over payments to admin staff members. Did you know that a DEO earns around a lac/month, if not more here. If NKC is so transparent and nice, why not ask him to upload the data as many univs do? Also why is he being secretive about EC/FC/AC agenda notes and minutes that used to get uploaded by Lord Taluk and Sensational after a bitter fight with SJA?


8. Pointing out how rules are bent, waylaid and even "manufactured" to shelter and protect VC acolytes.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 06:22
+9 -4
1. Can you prove that any EC member asked to read the report and has been denied access to the same? Or are you angry because you haven't got to see the report yourself?
2. Income tax is old news. NUJS has won even the appeal and the high court proceedings earlier. Refund would be made. What paperwork is the EC supposed to look at? It is not an audit committee. Are you suggesting that the IT Department gave cut money to the administration? Given your lack of sense, you might.
3 and 4. Identification of lapse of previous regime has been done, BCI application has been filed. What else is the current administration going to do after 9 years? Not being competent enough to spend money isn't a criminal action. You are clearly an insider, so if you want to bring charges against anybody who is still there, have you written a single complaint officially instead of anonymously venting here? It is clear that PIB administration is responsible. What good does it do to the university now that he's safe and sound away at KSLU? BCI affiliation has been renewed and the UGC funds can't be brought back under law.
5. The fact that you are actually opposing faculty recruitment despite the rising student teacher ratio just to drive your own agenda indicates your mentality. In any other university, faculty recruitment is actually welcomed.
6. There had never been any legal bar to the university offering its own courses. It is just a story concocted by the likes of you who aren't competent enough to design or run courses and know that the university running courses to make profit would mean less dependence on the state. You clearly lack the education to differentiate between online courses and weekend classes for offline courses. The only course restarting is one required by the central law ministry, but you obviously know more law than others.
7. DEOs getting paid more than a lakh a month? Are you using the weed from Chingri? Which NLU have you seen to upload the salary statements of all its employees on the public domain? File an RTI if you want that data.
8. Nice and vague insinuation without any actual fact or proof.

You want to carry out an anti-NKC campaign, I've got no beef with that. Try not to drag the university along with you through the mud in the process, though people like you aren't loyal to anyone other than their own selves.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:25
+4 -5
You are an insider. I just happen to have inside info, which has been swirling since yesterday. Be that as it may, I cannot answer for disinterested EC members as you suggest. But I do know that when some EC members pointed out that they never got the Inquiry Reports that NKC brought straight to the EC, read out select portions and "forgot" the need to circulate, the VC tried to lie his way out. But the lie was caught and he agreed to actually minute that all such Inquiry and Performance Reports will be placed in the agenda notes of the next EC.

Then NKC again suffered selective amnesia and skipped mentioning this bit in the latest EC minutes.

Congratulations on the ITAT win that was secured only yesterday. Please correct the timeline claim. I wouldn't know about a "win" in Calcutta HC. That website shows a hearing was scheduled for March 11. But nothing further is available. Someone here requested Kian to get info from NKC. But the VC is busy and you are his oracle, so just start. EC has powers and duties of supervision. Just because it isn't hollering for relevant records, it doesn't mean that the papers need to remain with the skeletons in the cupboards. Actually, what does this say about NKC and the folks that help prepare the "agenda"?

I agree it isn't exactly criminal to quietly "idle" away more than Rs 4.2 crores of UGC grants, which should have been refunded back 5-6 years ago. Sure NKC cannot be blamed for the sins of PIB. But NKC knew about all this in July-Aug 2019. Why wait for some more months to inform the FC and EC? Also are you sure that the correct amounts have been refunded to UGC? Also, will NKC mind if the UGC were to conduct audits etc?


BCI affiliation renewal. Another PIB sin. NKC solves this too. Yay. Did he tell this to CLAT as soon he came to know about it. BCI has not renewed the affiliation, yet. It likely will although similar infractions are given harsher treatment by BCI. Perks of being NLU. But tell me, why does NKC secure the AC and EC approval for a lucrative BCI Bridge Course for foreign qualified lawyers and then belatedly inform EC about lack of BCI affiliation? What is this furtiveness betraying?

Faculty recruitment. Definitely attract and retain talent. Seriously, just boldly go ahead and challenge some UGC rules. After all NKC is Midas right now. But the EC saw how NKC quietly tried to give out of turn 7th CPC arrears to a faculty member who came through custom made interview process (once caught NKC submitted a report against such a move); then tried to promote an Assistant Prof based on dodgy papers despite being cautioned; then tried to kill off the inquiry and now when the Inquiry has produced adverse findings concluding that the promotion needs to be cancelled, NKC is still trying to protect the acolyte in question. As state above, NKC has avoided sharing an Inquiry Report concerning 2017 faculty recruitment. Why? If NKC feels that his unilateral move to open more teaching positions is good in law etc then why is he being so stealthy? Why does he wilt when questioned in the EC? Do we really want a PIB re-run especially when we know how recruitment actually works?

Your rant on distance edu is a giveaway. Will let that pass. Heard your arguments on this issue earlier. You are really good at droning. If you are right then CAG is definitely wrong https://www.firstpost.com/india/gauhati-university-offered-21-unapproved-courses-finds-cag-retired-hc-judge-internal-7-member-panel-to-independently-probe-charges-7732831.html

https://www.telegraphindia.com/north-east/gauhati-university-forms-panel-to-probe-cag-findings/cid/1723804


Wouldn't it be fun to have NCB come here and actually seize some contraband? Maybe we will finally get some news on TV. Maybe someone can ask what really happens to the seized contraband. That will be immersive and impressive. Anyway, why don't you check with CS, PA et al because their grievances ensured that the over payment issue kept bobbing up albeit inconveniently. Really need to get your troops to fall in line. By the way, are you sure that some reveal did not take place through RTI response from AO office? I know you run a tight ship at SDME. Bt not everyone is as efficient as you.
Guest 30 Sept 2020, 19:34
+0 -0
Although I agree with your reasoning, "effectively" is a journalistic flourish and does not correctly articulate the Cal HC order. But your choice. We have Calcutta HC but not Bgl HC. It is Karnataka HC. Change your heading. Never know which Judge turns Dredd
Atticus 30 Sept 2020, 20:56
+3 -0
Strange that the headline hasn't been changed even after the Division Bench's order was released. There is no stay at all, effective or otherwise.
Appears from the Bangalore judgement that there were other Petitioners, including the BCI. The alumni petition doesn't even seem to be the lead petition. tut tut
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 04:29
+0 -1
Today's TOI reports that domicile quota upheld and quotes NKC as justifying quota. So LI must withdraw the report.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 04:31
+1 -0
A major difference with the Karnataka HC litigation is that no eminent senior advocate is arguing the case. The strategy should have been to engage former Advocate Generals Jayanta Mitra and Anaidya Mitra, who served n the NUJS EC in happier times.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 04:44
+2 -2
I have with me a copy of the draft reply to be filed by NUJS, drafted by the the lawyer's office. The draft was leaked to me, so I am not posting it (and it may not even be the final copy), but there are 5 key points being made:

- NUJS is a state government institution. It is not comparable with NLSIU and was set up with a different objective.
- Even if it is accepted (without prejudicing arguments) that the aims of NUJS by Prof Menon and the Jyoti Basu government was originally to replicate NLSIU, it is within the powers of the state government to change the objectives and make NUJS more regional.
- No procedural irregularities as being alleged. Everyone was informed from day one.
- Further, there is domicile quota in most other NLUs.
- Various case law cited.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 06:34
+0 -0
You keep posting this, but in the absence of the draft and evidence of its authenticity, why would anyone believe what you are posting? You could just be making up some arguments on your own and claiming those to be the university's.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 04:54
+2 -1
Those who claim NKC is independent of TMC are displaying either ignorance or dishonesty.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 06:24
+0 -0
Those who claim random things anonymously without any evidence to back the claim are definitely displaying their innate dishonesty.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 04:56
+4 -0
Bad strategy by Rohit Das. The BCI should have been made a respondent and asked to explain if it opposes domicile in NLSIU and supports it in other NLUs.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 05:03
+1 -1
Acts To Declare 5 Triple ITs, National Forensic Sciences University & Rashtriya Raksha University As Institutions Of National Importance - NLSIU next??

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/acts-to-declare-5-iiits-national-forensic-sciences-university-rashtriya-raksha-university-as-institutions-of-national-importance-receive-presidential-assent-read-notifications-163704
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 05:28
+0 -0
VimPa is having the last laugh at RRU now.
Doomsday 1 Oct 2020, 07:23
Troll
+0 -7
Domicile quota stays after all, contrary to LI's report. Thus, NUJS will fall further in NIRF and the public perception. As someone pointed out, NUJS ranks high only in old rankings made during Menon or MP Singh or Chimni's time. Next ranking:

1. NLSIU
2. NLUD
3. NALSAR
4. NLUJ
5. GNLU
6. NLIU
7. NUJS

A further fall to no. 8 can be expected ifJGLS enters NIRF. And if Mamata returns to power, then even top 10 will not be possible.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:33
+2 -0
Your name clearly indicates where you come from. People like you have been predicting such doom since years. It hasn't happened yet. Never would.
#NLUDtrolls 1 Oct 2020, 08:40
+0 -0
Okay bro. Sure .
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 07:27
+2 -1
TOI: NUJS admission from October 9 with domicile quota. Either Kian must retract or Kian must argue that NKC has misinterpreted the court's judgment. Which is it, Kian? My own view is that Kian is correct and NKC is behaving unethically.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/kolkata-nujs-admission-from-october-9-with-domicile-quota/articleshow/78422194.cms?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TOICitiesNews
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:33
+0 -0
And your view counts because?
Jal Vayu 1 Oct 2020, 07:44
+1 -0
Just wanted to ask,Kian, did you take the headline of this news from Trump Biden debate? Curious!
Skankhunt42 1 Oct 2020, 10:22
+0 -0
Definitely seems to have been inspired by Trump's Proud Boys quote, nice touch
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:37
+2 -0
This is the correct articulation of DB in Cal HC yesterday https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/challenge-against-nujs-30-domicile-reservation-calcutta-hc-division-bench-refuses-to-interfere-with-single-bench-order-rejecting-plea-for-interim-order-163776

Also in the TOI report, there is nothing wrong with the bureaucratic statement of NKC. There is no stay. Although there are things that NKC prefers to be kept in abeyance despite EC resolution, the DB has not suggested that admissions be held up and SB is yet to decide. So why self-impose paralysis?

NKC = NK(is)Correct. Each time. Always.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 08:37
+0 -0
Yes, Kian took the headline from the Trump-Biden debate. In the case, the name of the troublemaker group is not "Proud Boys" but "Trinamool Congress".
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 10:21
+2 -2
Raam, raam Yogiji. Aaj kitnon ko jalaya?
Jorazhonko 1 Oct 2020, 11:44
+5 -2
This is a misleading headline. There is no stay on the quota in fact it's a win for reservations because once the admission is done few judges would reverse it. I think not having eminent senior counsel argue dealt a serious blow to petitioners. For serious matters two-bit lawyers like Das are hopelessly out of depth.
Pi 1 Oct 2020, 11:46
+2 -0
lets wait for the single bench decision to come out, then we can decide what will happen next year. This year the outcome seems clear - 30% domicile will be provided, unless there is a stay order from SC
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 12:46
+1 -2
Justice Basak's history shows a string of orders taking Mamata's government to task over various atrocities. Thus, he seems to be an honest and upright judge not afraid of the government. However, it is essential that a reputed senior advocate argues this case. NUJS alumni can be approached to crowdsource a legal fund to pay fees for a galaxy of A-list counsels in Cal, such as Anindya Mitra, Soumendranath Mookherjee, Jayanta Mitra and Ranjan Bachawat. If 500 alumni can pay Rs 5,000 each, then that's Rs 25 lakhs.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 18:29
+1 -1
Why go to alumni for funding a senior advocate when NKC has already got someone from the famous 1st batch to represent NUJS. Methinks Jayanta Mitra saw enough as AG, esp when PIB got a second term. The EC records do not show that anyone in the EC, including the venerable Jayanta Mitra (as the then AG), dissented.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 12:48
+2 -1
Write it down: Domicile will be hiked to 50% before state polls if the court upholds it.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 12:49
+4 -4
The SJA office bearers must either act or make way for people who will. And by "act" I don't mean drafting email petitions but serious f***ing stuff.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 14:39
+6 -0
Considering that these 'people who will act' couldn't even be bothered to stand for the election, somehow I doubt they would actually ever take any 'meaningful action' even while holding the posts.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 17:45
+1 -0
Just like a core team of SK, Mary, VB and select NLS alumni that were quietly coordinating through back channels to quash the domicile quota law, here at NUJS things started moving after NKC had a stormy EC meeting. NKC was already getting into skirmishes with the state govt. Now with a change in the Chancellor nominee and overall change in state politics (of course psephologists have been proved wrong earlier), NKC has quietly agreed to do his part in embarrassing the state govt.

Pratik Dhar who has been the univ advocate thus far, except on tax matters, was not even consulted on the domicile quota law challenge. PD has many more years of practice and standing than KS. Also NKC had varied and better options. Then again, KS may not be a "odd" choice considering jersey changes taking place
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:38
Troll
+2 -8
Any law school with the name of the state in it cannot be regarded as a "national" law school. Thus, here are the list of de facto NLUs and de facto SLUs (State Law Universities).

NLUs: NLSIU, NALSAR, NLU (Delhi, Jodhpur, Odisha and Guwahati), NLIU, HNLU, RMLNLU, NUALS, RGNUL, CNLU, DSNLU, NUSRL, DSNLU, BRANLU

SLUs: WBNUJS, GNLU, MNLU, TNNLU, HPNLU.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 04:33
+9 -2
No university with school in its name should be continued to be considered as a university. Therefore, NLSIU should not be allowed in any list of universities either.
Really 2 Oct 2020, 07:53
+0 -0
What do you do about the U for University in NLSIU then?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:39
+1 -0
I doubt Sudhir knows what to do with it either, given his latest antics. But I think (hope) 48.1 was being sarcastic in response to the ludicrous comment number 48.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 03:04
Troll
+3 -3
When Sourav Ganguly became India captain the team was in a mess after the mach fixing and corruption scandal. The team was also weak and could not win abroad, lacked aggression, young talent etc. Then Sourav turned things around. We pray that Sourav similarly turns around the fortunes of NUJS after becoming CM next year
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 04:34
+5 -2
He couldn't clear the mess in BCCI, he can't do it in any other institution itself. And chances of him becoming a CM are less than him and Greg Chapel going on a honeymoon together.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 07:42
+3 -1
Rohit and Fauzia may be sharp and good lawyers, but they are still too young to be taken seriously by the court. In our country you need elderly Senior Advocates pleading such cases.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 07:44
+3 -1
I don't expect the SJA to do anything great, but can't they at least get email signatures of around 800 alumni and email it to the media and Supreme Court judges?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:40
+2 -1
That's what the Alum Association is for. Apparently the association doesn't want to go against the university on this matter or on anything else.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:35
+1 -1
@51.1: Don't talk crap. The alumni will happily sign a petition. Why should they be scared of the university? Why do they need to appease a nobody like NKC, or even worse the particular professor?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:49
+2 -1
Ask the Association, don't ask me. I would happily sign it if the SJA asks me. I am speaking as member of the alumni group only. The people holding posts in the Association have conveyed this unofficially.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:44
+2 -0
They can't even get the signatures of 120 students from a batch in time.
Alumni 2 Oct 2020, 10:09
+2 -0
Btw, who are currently leading the SJA at NUJS?The SJA website probably shows names of last year's office-bearers. Have read comments regarding SJA not doing anything on this issue...
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 10:32
+3 -0
Two students from the third year. Balraaj and Divyanshu.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:32
+1 -1
I don't care what year the SJA Prez and VP belong to. They must stop sitting idle and take action. The bare minimum action is a student and alumni petition emailed to the Chancellor, copied to the BCI chairman and media. It must request for reservations to be stayed until the Supreme Court reaches a decision. Beyond that, a petition should be filed in the Cal HC or Supreme Court naming the BCI as a respondent, since the BCI opposed NLSIU reservation.

If the SJA Prez and VP cannot even draft a simple email petition and get 800 alumni and student signatures, then they have no business being in their positions and must resign.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:52
+4 -0
One SJA President has already resigned in this year and his opponent during the election refused to stand for the re-election. This cycle will never end. Students no longer seem to have the guts to do what it takes. NUJS SJA has usually been one of the strongest student bodies fighting for the institutional welfare beyond petty individual interests. Sadly, that is no longer the case.
Alumni 2 2 Oct 2020, 16:26
+1 -0
Have heard that the one who resigned was very competent and active. Apparently, he was forced to resign for sake of petty politics. NUJS students must be cursing themselves if they cared a bit
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:52
+0 -2
'NLSIU A Unique National Institution And Not A State University' : Karnataka HC While Quashing 25% Domicile Reservation

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/nlsiu-an-unique-national-institution-and-not-a-state-university-karnataka-hc-while-quashing-25-domicile-reservation-163879
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 14:04
+4 -0
What is unique about it? That it has got school and university in its name at the same time?
NUJS Rebel Association 2 Oct 2020, 18:19
+3 -1
Dear NUJS SJA reps, we are giving you till Tuesday 10 pm to draft a petition and circulate it to all students and alumni. if you fail, then we will do it and overthrow you in a coup.

For anyone who wishes to join the NUJS Rebelz Association, drop a line to . We are a radical, underground opposition to the establishment and Deep State. Today is Gandhi Jayanti so we are being peaceful. But from next week onwards we will use the tactics of Netaji and Bhagat Singh. They are our role models, not Gandhi.

#THUGLife #FuckDaPolice #LegaliseGanja #FreeJulianAssange

~~NUJS Rebelz Association~~

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Guest 2 Oct 2020, 18:52
+2 -2
Nobody cares. If you send such a petition including anonymous and pseudonymous petitions, they would rightly end up in the recycle bin. Take your agenda elsewhere.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 08:43
+1 -0
@54.1: NKC/TMC/admin chela spotted!
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 11:14
+2 -0
Probably yes. But let's consider the following as well:

1. SH allegations against Justice Ganguly and the then AR Admin happened almost bac-to-back. Shamnad was on campus and along with a select group of faculty members, led the charge. A wide swathe of alumni joined in. There was so much of press. PIB had also earned a bad name by then for driving away talent. But PIB stayed on and Shamnad was forced to resign.

2. A former Registrar was indicted by a Calcutta HC appointed Inquiry of embezzling crores in UGC funds. Under SJA pressure, PIB was forced to cancel some dodgy contracts as well. But no monies were recovered. Further inquiry as suggested in the Inquiry Report never took off and Inquiry Report was buried. PIB got a second term. Given the past loss, Shamnad and alumni mostly stayed away other than an occasional snipe here and there.

3. SJA extracted the URC Report and exposed institutional complicity in multi-crore scams etc. PIB and his handpicked Registrar were allowed to slip away. Inquiries initiated but quietly killed off by successive VCs. Alumni stayed away but a section suddenly had hectic meetings with NKC in Delhi and Kolkata. Fancy conferences surrounding Prof Menon followed. A moribund alumni association was resuscitated with strong support from NKC acolytes.

4. Alumni Association election took place. A former SJA President took an active role. A "performance report" quietly gets published, which looks and reads like a slam book of that SJA president. But the line that stood out for me was the one penned by a high ranking NKC acolyte, which commended that SJA President for honouring a certain Laxman Rekha! Other standouts are paeans of praise by a CS, PA....you get the picture.

5. SJA elections result in a President who previously "set the records straight" that SJA is over. Laxman Rekha is the new normal and future proof.
2015 alum 3 Oct 2020, 12:29
+3 -0
Laxman rekha was never meant to be a barrier from protesting against illegal actions. It is a protection for one's own when engaging in such an action. If the SJA is being asked to honour laxman rekha, then they should form a good strategy to protect student interests and also fight against any injustice at the same time. The SJA that brought the Regi down did exactly that.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 13:27
+2 -0
Err....the Regi was a crook but was also the fall guy. Others named in the Inquiry Report were allowed to slip away. PIB was also allowed to get away with specious excuses. I do not intend to dilute the work that SJA did then but it went in directions set by a faculty member who was revengeful for the limited action against a former AR Admin and wanted to become the Regi. PIB then reneged on the deal and picked someone else as the Registrar (Acting).

No faculty member appreciates an independent SJA. Because SJA broke free of Laxman Rekha set by the teach, it incurred the wrath and negative attention of the latter. And now it has bitten the dust courtesy office bearers past and present who would happily crawl before even being forced to bend.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 14:11
+2 -2
That's because SJA is never independent, not truly. The office bearers too have their own agenda and they try to push it as that of the GB way too often. As someone pointed out above, laxman rekha means what you want it to mean. You can interpret it as not doing anything, or you can use it as a good strategy to make demands that cannot be easily refuge. Faculty may support it, or may not. That doesn't really matter. If you are saying that the students can't get any demand met without faculty actively advocating for it, then the students don't deserve such demands to be met. Students have got huge power (and very little accountability), which can be used responsibly to great effect.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 14:19
+1 -2
@Guest: Since you have such a low opinion of the SJA office bearers, and clearly a lot of advice for them too, why didn't you ever run for the post? Afraid that your insight won't stand the test of practical implementation?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 20:23
+2 -0
Hopefully you will stay true to V and not be swayed or misled by Vayu
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 08:47
+1 -0
ASG Vikramjit Banerjee is a former NUJS professor and he himself has implied in court that NLSIU is a special national institution while other NLUs are state institutions like KSLU. The current VC of KSLU is a former NUJS VC and he too will probably support this argument. The current VC seems to have accepted it too.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 09:07
+1 -0
Expecting the SJA to do anything is foolish. This is not the same pro-active SJA that once existed, [...] who happen to use the initials SJA. I just wish they used a different set of initials and a new logo to avoid the confusion. Underneath the new logo should be the caption: "A Division of the NUJS Administration".
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 11:18
+1 -0
SJA is what we make of it. If it is swayed by the Vayu clan and populated by those who love being limited by Laxman Rekha then that is our fault as well.

#BahutHuaSamman
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:24
+3 -0
There's a difference between not being abusive and foolhardy enough to draw more negative publicity to the university, and not protesting against illegalities and irregularities and taking every abuse of power lying down. I do not see what prevents the SJA from doing the latter without doing the first one. The first one is likely to only make the Hands of the TMC in the EC stronger, like it did after PIB's departure.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 11:23
+0 -0
After the farcical win, did the new office bearers of SJA celebrate victory with Sitabhog and Mihidana?
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:07
+0 -0
@57: Yes, but the mithai was bough by the admin, who are always happy with a weak student union.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:34
+3 -0
Admin are definitely happy with that, but the bigger question is what prevented all the students who think action is the need of the hour from contesting the election and seizing the SJA posts? Too much weed? Or are they all keyboard warriors only?
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 13:13
+1 -0
Since so many folks complained against waterboarding and doing that could alarm teach across the divides so keyboarding is the only option. Also there was something in the Sitabhog and Mihidana. NCB may as well check.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:11
+0 -0
Speaking for myself, I have no problem if the SJA is disbanded and if the VC/Registrar/AKP directly decide student affairs. I would prefer to receive orders directly from the master rather than the servant. It will save us useless formalities.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 16:57
+1 -1
SJA has requested NKC to annex a student/alumni petition along with the reply to be submitted by NUJS to the court. Let's hope fo the best.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 21:57
+1 -0
This the proves certain commentators here that there is friction between NKC and TMC. So, NKC will tacitly allow things that can potentially embarrass the state govt. While NKC may get a rap on the knuckles for being "lenient" the SJA/students become the scapegoat should things go sideways. The alumni....absent landlords who have nothing to lose either way
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:16
+0 -2
There is NO friction between TMC and NKC. He listens to them. A change will happen only after the election, if the BJP wins. You will also see particular professor change colour overnight.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:45
+3 -3
If the BJP wins, the whole state is going to become the lawless jungle that UP is now.
NUJS Rebel Association 4 Oct 2020, 05:23
+0 -1
Polite warning to SJA office bearers: A reminder that you have till Tuesday 10 pm to draft a petition and circulate it to students and alumni for signatures. Else get ready for the guillotine as we will stage a coup against you.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 06:45
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Toh kar na maamu! Internal mail likh. Spare the rest of the world your tantrums. Given the pathetic drafts from 'concerned' students that are circulated these days, no alumni are gonna sign these anyway. And the appended statement idea is ridiculous. University's position is not the same as that of the students regarding domicile quota! SJA should have filed an intervention petition instead, but that would require knowledge of law, which both the students in power and the opposition seem to lack.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:18
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60.1 is correct. I think NLUD students file an intervention petition, while NLSIU did it indirectly through backchannels. Expect no such thing from useless NUJS students. The point about bad drafting is also correct.
Guest 5 Oct 2020, 12:13
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Kian, can you confirm if the domicile quota petition has been withdrawn by the students who filed it? If yes, will the SJA go to court on its own?
Guest 5 Oct 2020, 15:02
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No, it has not been withdrawn. And no, the SJA will not go to court, either on its own or intervene in the ongoing matter.
Guest 5 Oct 2020, 17:27
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Best strategy for the SJA is to insist that a student/alumni petition be annexed to NKC's reply to the court and that the reply mention the annexure (this is assuming that NKC supports the quota).
Guest 5 Oct 2020, 17:49
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If he supports the quota, then that's the university's position too. Why on earth would they agree to get a petition annexed to their reply that would oppose the quota then? Did you mean to say if he opposed the quota?
Guest 6 Oct 2020, 14:56
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BREAKING: The student who filed the NUJS domicile petition (Utkarsh Bansal) is not listed in the CLAT counselling list. So the judge is likely to dismiss the case, unless the legal team can convince him to follow the Karnataka decision. It's also possible that Utkarsh may withdraw the case. I suppose the SJA has nothing planned, as usual?
Guest 6 Oct 2020, 15:28
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The lawyers can easily find out some students who are missing out because of the domicile quota now that the counselling list is out, and convince them to join the action. That is pretty basic strategy.
Guest 6 Oct 2020, 16:48
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When Gopal Sankarnarayan and other Senior Advocates can argue LNAT/CLAT cases, why can't Rohit Das engage a senior for the NUJS domicile case? This makes all the difference in India.
Guest 6 Oct 2020, 17:58
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Money?
Guest 14 Oct 2020, 18:20
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Why is there no information about div kr Singh who has got air 4 in clat 2020 and why has he opted for mnlu Mumbai leaving all the top nlus?
Guest 14 Oct 2020, 19:34
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I did not know this. It will be great if LI can highlight more such stories, but unfortunately this website is biased towards NLSIU mafia and covers up such things.
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 05:13
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And this is a 'story' because? Every year hundreds of students choose to stay near home or has an inclination towards a certain city. As on date, if anyone lets go of NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS etc. for MNLU because they believe that the latter is a better place to study at, then they are not behaving rationally.
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 04:34
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No but why would he choose mnlu Mumbai completely new with permanent campus... As his first option... Its weird
.. And there is no information about him
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 08:21
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SCANDAL ALERT: Barrister and Yale graduate Suchitra Vijayan has tweeted some shocking things about the behaviour of NUJS students when she visited there.

https://twitter.com/suchitrav/status/1317287444228804608
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 09:24
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I just read the tweets. She has referred to one student questioning her political leanings (based on her lecture and her introduction) and one student asking her rebuttal on a point about the Pakistani PM retweeting tweets as 'misogyny'. She might as well have faced real misogyny, but the examples that she cited did not honestly seem to be examples of that. She has also stated that students from the same university defended her against the earlier student. On the one hand she says in the first tweet that she won't be returning at that campus, and then immediately she says that it's not about that campus but the whole young generation. She seems really confused about what is it exactly that she wanted to say. If she does not want anyone questioning her after teaching a course, especially one loaded with political ideals, then she is probably better off not offering those to begin with. May be like a lot of Left intelligentsia, she is only comfortable with offering it within her own echo chambers and all the audience giving her a standing ovation for every single view.
General Patton 17 Oct 2020, 10:35
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Student 1 protests against teacher's ideological stance at the end of class, student(s) come to her defense. Teacher: This entire place is full of misogyny, chhee!
Applying the same standard of generalisation that she herself has used, one might as well say that since she does not appear to know what misogyny means, the entire set of people who have qualified as barristers must be lacking in English and/or legal knowledge altogether! That's how immature and laughable her petulant generalisation seems. Further, if she has faced any issue during or after teaching, has she made a complaint to the admin about the students concerned? Or is shooting off a random tweet a better way to gain footage these days?
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 09:47
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This is where the domicile quota would actually help. To keep such right-winger [...] away.
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 10:09
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She seems to have come up with a completely novel definition of the term 'misogyny'. Nowhere in the examples that she herself cited could I see any example of misogyny. It was a clash of ideology between herself and a student, plain and simple. She's displayed plenty of similar intolerance towards right wing ideology and people holding such ideology in her own writing and during her course, albeit in a more sophisticated manner. If she wants special treatment because she is a woman teaching that course and the student is male, then I would say she is the one guilty of sexism here! If she simply alleged that student to be a right wing troll, I'd have had no issues. But the level of generalisation in her tweets is unbelievable for a supposedly educated and intelligent individual. Notice how she referred to 'nasty comments', but supposedly came up with a student referring to her to a third party as a 'commie'. If that's the best that she can do, then nothing else needs to be said. Do we have to believe that she never uses the term Bhakt herself?
Guest 17 Oct 2020, 12:31
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Complete exaggeration. Typical leftist.
Guest 18 Oct 2020, 19:27
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Things have now really exploded. She has complained to the NUJS VC. Certain students (the "uninvite-wallas") are supporting her.

https://twitter.com/AishwaryaMudgi1/status/1317796187236229120
Guest 19 Oct 2020, 07:52
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More like fizzled. Who cares about these snowflake complaints? Unless she gives completely new examples, there is nothing that the university can or would do about which student is writing emails/insta posts in their personal capacity. Sure as hell nobody is going to stop students from asking questions after classes. If a student behaves rudely with a teacher then yes, intervention can be made, but asking why her tweet is retweeted by Imran Khan hardly qualifies as untoward or disrespectful! If a teacher cannot respond to that intelligently and firmly, then they should probably reconsider their career options. Also, any teacher's curriculum and methodology are fully open to criticism unless the teachers are being subjected to abuse.
J.B. 19 Oct 2020, 18:15
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The rage and self-righteousness in these comments by students is as vicious as it gets. I can now believe someone who remarks that the student body at NUJS has become aggressive and intolerant.

A successful Yale/Oxbridge educated barrister who also teaches part time would hardly have the memory / bandwidth to comment on an incident in class unless it was really egregious or hurtful. Teachers as a rule give large benefit of doubt to students and speaking as someone who has taught more than a few courses it would take a really bad, nasty ,spiteful incident to make me tweet about it. Splitting hairs over whether the act was misogyny or not is a clever way to avoid the real problem, the thuggish nature of the LLB students in NUJS, a trend that started with the agitation against the previous vice chancellor (Bhat). The Twitter profiles and comments of some of these goons are cringe worthy and a shame on NUJS, but one does not expect better when their professors are themselves thugs and goons who slap students around (literally) and scream on corridors.

Unfortunately all the feedback I have from friends and colleagues who end up going to NUJS for credit or regular courses is similar. Pretty soon nobody will want to go there.
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 17:47
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Eminent human rights lawyer Suchitra Vijayan file complaint against NUJS students for sexual harassment, misogyny and trolling. Black day in the history of the college.

https://twitter.com/suchitrav/status/1319968654633717760
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 19:26
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Nowhere has she alleged sexual harassment. That's a blatant lie and Kian, you should have known better than to allow this.
She has claimed 'months of harassment and misogyny', but has still submitted only two examples, neither of which qualifies as misogyny. The people who are supporting her is doing so based on her version of events, which is strange especially for those with a law degree. No student has messaged her or tagged her. If I find the views aired by a teacher to be problematic, I cannot talk about that to others? Where does FoE go to take a hike in these times?
She has also attempted to name and shame students by posting their profiles publicly before filing any complaint. Strangely, that's what she actually accuses the students of having done too. Is this the mark of a Yale educated lawyer?
In the complaint, she has cleverly omitted the fact that all that a student had asked her was her stance on the Pakistani PM retweeting her tweets. In her complaint, that turns into a student having passed disrespecting remarks at her in class. Aisa selective fact reporting kaise chalega didi?
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 20:09
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Are you for real or just make up things as per your whims & fancies? Firstly the concerned student just said that he does not take proponents of open borders seriously, that's just a disagreement from a viewpoint. Where is misogyny? It's just like leftists disagreeing with Tathagata Roy, who had also come to college. He was also asked tough questions about his comments on several issues. He did not go to Twitter and allege misandry or being disrespected. Similarly, Vijayan was asked about her views endorsed by several anti-India groups and now she is claiming misogyny. [...]
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 18:29
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Updates on Suchitra Vijayan's case:

1. Complaint to NUJS VC against students but no action taken
https://twitter.com/suchitrav/status/1319968654633717760

2. Prof Jhuma Sen of JGLS has also complained to a few people https://twitter.com/inabluehouse/status/1320041763017355264

3. Those supporting Ms Vijayan.:

- Prof Bhakti S of Univ of Connecticut https://twitter.com/bhakti_shringa/status/1320005847683112960
- Author Srila Roy https://twitter.com/ProfSrilaRoy/status/1320045179215237121
- Anthropologist Shweta Krishnan https://twitter.com/shwetakrishnan/status/1320040563077533696
- Prof Vivek Soundarajan of University of Bath https://twitter.com/Vivek_Soundar/status/1320028239369277440
- Social activist and lawyer Paayas Pandit, alum https://twitter.com/notpaayas/status/1320064958722265088

3. Those opposing:

- Lawyer Abhinav Kumar, alum https://twitter.com/abhinav_k316/status/1320011929780273159
- Lawyer Aishwarya Mudgil, alum https://twitter.com/AishwaryaMudgi1/status/1319993850237054977
- Lawyer Milind Ghosh, NLIU Bhopal alum https://twitter.com/milindmghosh/status/1320025465935937536
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 19:16
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The complaint has been filed on 19th as per Vijayan. What is expected here, faisla on the spot? The university is on a break on. If no proceeding is initiated after a reasonable amount of time, then sure raise this matter, but isn't it a little premature now? She has been tweeting about this since over a couple of weeks now, but those can't be the basis for action surely? Even in the complaint, she speaks about misogyny, which is still a mystery. Played the victim card a lot too about the student 'outing' her profile. Even she has outed his profile publicly. If X talks about Y to Z, how is that harassment of Y? Nobody has abused her other than calling her communist, that too not to her but before other people. If anything, she's the one who has done a lot of name-calling here. Legally her complaint is very shaky.
Guest 24 Oct 2020, 19:44
+2 -1
Suchitra Vijayan had taken over a month to actually respond to the mail requesting her to fix her topic of discussion. Now she and her cohort demands action in 5 days because they are baying for blood. Just look at the famous 'professor from Connecticut's tweet. No idea about the incident, no idea that Vijayan bothered to send a mail for the first time less than a week before, that too when the university is on vacation, and out she comes shaming everybody for their inaction. What is it that these people might be actually teaching their students? I am as anti-right wing as it gets, but I prefer to remain anti-hypocritical too.
Observer 26 Oct 2020, 20:29
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The difference between those supporting Suchitra and those defending the conduct of the students speaks for itself. Reputed and successful academicians on one hand versus a bunch of mediocre alumni working as 'lawyers'. These defenders can barely string together a coherent sentence and most of their outrage is self-righteous indignation to display their patriotism to their alma mater no matter what the issue. I'm not from NUJS but reading their posts makes me cringe in shame.
Guest 27 Oct 2020, 05:38
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Yet not a single one of those 'reputed academicians' has made a comment based on any fact. In fact, most of them have displayed a colossal ignorance of the facts involved (read, claims of the university not having done anything in ten months when the first complaint has been filed less than a week back).
This looks like a standard attempt on your part to ad hominem attack the people when you cannot counter their actual arguments. The disdain that you display towards 'lawyers' is also making your mentality susceptible to questions on bad faith. It is no secret that the left-liberal intelligentsia, just like their right-wing opponents, don't spend any time doing fact-check and actual analysis before jumping in the fray in their eagerness to defend their ilk. The questions that have been raised against Ms. Vijayan in this case all appear to be prima facie valid, though amenable to being countered. It goes to show the quality of your argument or rather lack thereof, when you choose not to engage with any of those, and instead embark on a pedigree-hunting spree. Observer you might call yourself, but impartial or objective you are not.
Guest 27 Oct 2020, 05:45
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There is a third group too. I consider myself a part of that. I believe that the two students mentioned in this context could and should have behaved better. I also believe that Suchitra herself could and should have too, in terms of her reaction, allegations and overt generalization. If anything, the relative immaturity of the students in terms of age and education, and the comparative greater experience and capability on her part make her omissions more stark, which is a pity, because I happen to like her work and agree with the view that she propounds through such work in general.
Ex-Lawyer 25 Oct 2020, 14:25
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Maybe I'm a bit late to the party here but I have gone through the KA HC's judgement on the NLS domicile reservation issue and it appears to be full of conflicting inconsistencies and flawed reasoning. For the record, I am glad that the domicile quota was struck down and hopefully, this sets a good precedent going forward but there are certain points I felt the need to highlight (which surprisingly haven't been brought out in the article or the comments).

While claiming that NLS is an autonomous institution which was set up under the BCI's initiative and is not under the State government's control, the Court still holds that NLS is bound by the KA HC judgement in the [b]Lolaksha case[/b] which laid down that the SC and ST quota in all state universities is to be reserved only for students of Karnataka. This is legally implausible. In fact, the Court stated that this was an important factor in striking down the domicile quota since the University will then have close to 50% students from the state and this would dilute its national reputation. However, NLS doesn't even provide such a reservation to the SC/ST students of the state and appears to have ignored such a directive while ensuring there is no publicity regarding the same. Of course, the trend of law universities in India breaking the law in India is nothing new and no doubt, will continue, but the lack of accountability from public institutions and vested interests controlling their functioning is quite sad and deplorable.

Most other areas of the judgement including the role of the BCI and the difference between lawyers and doctors seem to be without any legal basis as well. It seems to me that the judge had already arrived at the conclusion in favour of NLS and then worked backwards to develop a reasoning to justify it. The KA government, considering that it provided the land and funding (NLS isn't funded by the Centre in any way unlike the IITs and AIIMS and even if the State govt. funding is miniscule, it still provides funds to an institution set up under its legislative enactment), still failed to put forward any reasoned or convincing arguments in its favour, so it isn't surprising that the decision went against them.

As far as NUJS is concerned, their admissions appear to be finished and classes have also started so it's unlikely that the domicile quota will be rolled back this year, atleast. Otherwise, their situation vis-a-vis NLS was quite similar. I also think the interested parties from NUJS should have challenged it earlier to avoid it, especially since there was enough time thanks to COVID. Why they failed to do so is beyond me.
That's how NLS and NLUD got the stay as well. If it had been a normal year, the admissions would have been rushed through.
I do hope the Delhi HC puts forward a more reasoned judgement regarding the NLUD reservation issue and strikes down such politically motivated reservations. I've seen some NLS trolls here bragging about this judgement, but this is really nothing to be proud of if your means (read, arguments) to the end were so specious.
Guest 26 Oct 2020, 05:45
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NUJS must implement the following immediately:

1. The students who harassed and trolled Mx Suchitra must be expelled.

2. The VC and SJA must issue an unconditional apology to Mx Suchitra on behalf of the institution.

3. The IDG convenor must take moral responsibility and resign.

4. The students who supported Mx Suchitra and helped identify the toxic students should be commended and given protection until the toxic students are expelled.

5. The commended students should be appointed to a new student committee on gender sensitivity. The committee shall have the right to block certain students from IDG events. The committee shall be entrusted with gender sensitivity training of all students who identify as cisgender male.

6. Urgent creation of more safe spaces on campus for womxn/LGBTQIA+ students.

7. To help freshers feel as ease, students and faculty should be directed to announce their pronouns and wear badges in the first week of college. Freshers week should be declared "Kindness Week".

8. Advocacy of right-wing hate groups like RSS and VHP by students should invite warning, followed by expulsion.

9. Committee on gender sensitivity should be given veto power to overrule IDG on invites to speakers linked to above hate groups.

10. Reform curriculum and outlook. Introduce gender and social justice modules in all subjects.
Guest 26 Oct 2020, 07:12
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Before they do any of that, you should start with learning some law.

Nobody has harassed or trolled Suchithra based on the examples that she has cited herself. Referring to someone as a communist to a third party does not constitute harassment. Similarly, asking her a question on her stance at the end of a class does not constitute harassment either unless the student persists with that outside classes, messages or mails the teacher against her will etc. Nobody has communicated with her outside the campus, tagged her in posts, written on her social media channels etc. If she finds being called communist an example of harassment and defamation, she should not preach communist ideals.

Suchithra herself should take moral and legal responsibility of dubbing an entire institution and student community misogynistic, lacking intelligence etc. without any evidence to such effect, despite saying in the same breath that she has received support from the students too.

She should also take responsibility for her followers trying to spin this narrative as if the university has not done anything to help her in ten months, when the first time she has complained about it has been less than a week ago and that too right before the vacation.

All of her followers and herself should undergo compulsory training about legal definition of offences and what constitutes defamation.

Especially the students who are 'supporting' her should be held accountable for why they did not bring the matter to the attention of the authorities earlier, nor informed Suchithra in good faith that she was filing the complaint at a time when the vacation is to begin and hence she should wait for a reasonable time before expecting any action on it and before again tweeting alleging mala fide and throwing accusation left and right.

Suchithra should also be made to apologise for posting student profiles in public and inciting her own followers to harass, troll and defame the students. If she refuses to apologise, then a police complaint should be lodged against her criminal actions.

I have got no problem with the gender sensitization issues that you speak of, but Suchithra should ideally be made to undergo such training too, because she is the one deliberately playing the woman card out of context here, when people from both genders have supported her and opposed her too. Throughout this entire incident, she has revealed a very ugly and confused side of her, lashing out randomly, which is not expected from an established professional with supposedly better knowledge.
Guest 26 Oct 2020, 07:15
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You are essentially advocating for certain students to be given the authority to decide the fate of other students. The only thing that you are revealing is your own lack of education in the process.
Guest 26 Oct 2020, 07:24
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Even as a liberal, or perhaps because I am one, while I agree with some of the constructive suggestions that you've made, I am still saddened by the hatred, toxicity and judgment calls that are dripping from your other comments. Please take better care of yourself and try not to get bitter and not turn into the same people whom you are critiquing.
Guest 27 Oct 2020, 03:50
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Update: Emails have been sent to the NUJS VC from respected persons seeking action against the offender. Let me also clarify that the offender did not use the word "communist". He used the word "commie", which is offensive, abusive, misogynistic and toxic in the current context. The screenshot has been saved to prevent denials. It is good to see that many students also want action.The ideal action should be expulsion or at least suspension for a semester, but we are instead prepared to accept a public apology from the offender and the institution.
Guest 27 Oct 2020, 08:24
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How is usage of the term 'commie' misogynistic? Can you please explain for everyone else's benefit? Nor has the student called Suchitra that, he has referred to her as that during a discussion with a third party. If the 'respected persons' have that much faith in Suchitra's version of events, why aren't they filing a criminal complaint against the individual? He is an adult, isn't he? Or are you afraid that snowflaking and post-truth narrative building aren't going to stand the test of law? By your standards, Suchitra has posted that student's profile in public, incited her followers to troll and harass him which they duly did, and also called him and other male students actually abusive names, thus definitely displaying misandry, harassment and so on. Are you also asking her to apologize, along with the organizations that she is affiliated to? Her followers are also spreading lies such as inaction on university's part for ten months, whereas the truth is that she has till date presented no such proof even in the first and only complaint that she filed after ten months. There are people from Jindal who have jumped on to the bandwagon calling others names without having the slightest idea about facts. These people should go back to their law classes. Since they clearly do not believe that rule of law applies to them.
Guest 27 Oct 2020, 11:13
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Respected by whom?
Guest 3 Nov 2020, 05:45
Troll
+1 -1
Today's Telegraph front page reports that Sourav Ganguly will not join BJP and try for ICC instead. Meanwhile, multiple newspapers are reporting that Swapan Dasgupta is Amit Shah's choice for CM. Thus, it is imperative that the SJA IDG invites Swapan Dasgupta for a talk. He was invited by NALSAR students (video below) but never once by NUJS, which is shameful.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/west-bengal/bengal-assembly-elections-2021-sourav-ganguly-conveys-disinterest-to-bjp/cid/1796396

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7gq7gsNiAU[/youtube]
Guest 3 Nov 2020, 07:27
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Nobody wants to listen to what he has to say. Not even people from his own party. His columns written in the newspapers also border on the ridiculous and are mostly ignored by readers or at best treated as comic relief.
Guest 3 Nov 2020, 09:29
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Shameful? Why? What has he achieved that not calling him to enlighten the students is a mark of gross dereliction actually? He is a supposedly educated person who is part of a regime that makes a mockery of education of all sorts. He is not even listened to by his own party. Can you please give it a rest acting as his mouthpiece in comments to multiple posts? Nobody cares about him and rightly too. He is another politician, that's it. Regardless of how sophisticated a language he uses while preaching, his practices and the pathetic communal tendencies, disregard for rule of law, complete blindness to the large scale atrocities and human rights violations all across the country by the party that he is a member of, do not even make him a politician to respect. Not that the people from the party currently forming the state government are any better either. All of these people should be kept as far away from any institution as possible.
Guest 27 Dec 2020, 06:31
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Isn't this the guy whose son, a lawyer, is currently facing charges of sexual harassment and molestation from 4 separate girls at St. Stephen's? And he is going to bring radical positive changes in a law university after seizing power (despite not having won a single election in his entire life)? Big LoL!
Guest 26 Dec 2020, 07:39
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Does anybody have news on whether the upcoming Bengal elections are affecting NUJS in any way, e.g. policies, faculty hiring and faculty infighting? Will some people become turncoats and change loyalties if the political regime changes? Is the SJA making overtures to people why may wield power in future?
Guest 26 Dec 2020, 12:49
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Oh God, that political troll is at it again, flogging a dead horse for all that it is worth. Nobody cares. It is only in your fertile mind that an apolitical student body makes 'overtures' to a shady opposition even before an election takes place. None of the people here is 'committed' to any political regime, be it the ruling party or any opposition. The power grabbers will do anything to keep their power, while those who only want to focus on their work would keep doing so. The useless people would keep being thus regardless of which political party is in power, especially considering that all such parties and their representatives are equally useless too if not more when it comes to higher education. That's how it is all over the country, if not the world. Now give it a rest.
Guest 27 Dec 2020, 05:18
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One likely change if TMC wins is that Chandrima Bhattacharya may once again become law minister. She is mediocre, but certainly much better than the current guy, in the following ways:

1. Did not interfere to such an extent when she was in the governing body.

2. Will not push for a second NUJS campus in Asansol because her constituency this time is going to be in Kolkata itself.

3. Practised in the Cal HC. Can speak in English. Attended college events and spoke at Galanter lecture. The current guy is basically a small-town hoodlum who happens to have a law degree from an obscure college. There are allegations of him having links with the coal mafia and he was taped in a sting operation.

https://theprint.in/politics/four-years-after-narada-sting-six-mamata-ministers-caught-in-another-bribery-video/372999/
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 05:00
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Sharing a shocking incident of bullying and vandalism from NUJS. Proves once again that TMC cadre have flooded this institution. Will get worse post the faculty recruitment and domicile quota. Particular professor wants to become VC. Meanwhile, domicile quota petition withdrawn.


[img]https://i.imgflip.com/4s00on.jpg[/img]
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 05:41
+4 -1
What TMC cadres? This has been done by students, most of whom are from outside Bengal and have got nothing to do with TMC. On the contrary, the number of [...] Bhakts and Chaddis have been on the increase in the student community in the last few years. Not that I like the domicile quota, but I would take Bengali students from Kolkata who focus on education any day over the [...] and [...].
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 05:43
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Seems like you can't report anything without starting to peddle fake news. That's why a scribbling outside a hostel room door, which is a time honoured tradition for years and which even the original poster believes to be possibly in jest, becomes shocking vandalism and bullying in your comment. How transparent can idiocy get!
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 16:30
+0 -1
LeLi fascism at its finest.
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 17:00
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How is it fascism to point out an obvious misrepresentation? It is pretty clear that 77 has his own agenda and is trying to create a narrative to suit it, using embellished words. Maybe he should not have reproduced the original post if he wanted his claims to go unchallenged. Incidentally, I am as far away from Left Wing hypocrisy as I am from Right Wing stupidity.
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 16:31
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If you are having a problem with the domicile quota, ask Modiji to declare INI status for NUJS and other NLUs before next election. Get your bhakti rewarded. Diluda se na ho payega.
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 16:29
+0 -0
Willing to bet that the NUJS faculty hires will be TLC + TMC. The alumni all end up at Jindal, it seems.
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 16:57
+0 -0
I will take a piece of that action. How much are you willing to bet?
Guest 30 Dec 2020, 17:12
+1 -0
There are 7 currently teaching at NUJS. 8 if we include other NLU alumni too. That's more than 25% of their current total faculty strength.
Guest 31 Dec 2020, 03:43
+1 -5
1. LLM alumni, if any, should not count.

2. Even among LLB alumni, there are grades. Characteristics of Grade 1 are good work experience, publications, LLMs from reputed universities abroad etc. Characteristics of Grade 2 are a lack of these.

3. Furthermore, NUJS has lost the prestige it had since Menon/Chimni/MP Singh days, so having NSLIU/NALSAR/NLUD alumni is more prestigious. Even NLUJ has overtaken NUJS in NIRF.
Guest 31 Dec 2020, 08:13
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Who makes those grades and counts? Your anonymous self? The only thing that doesn't count is your anonymous opinion of the worth of anybody else.
Guest 31 Dec 2020, 08:15
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That 'loss of prestige' is only reliant upon anonymous forums like this. In every graduate outcome that is measurable, NUJS alumni have been doing equally well or better than any of the other NLUs. You claiming otherwise doesn't really make it so.
Guest 8 Jan 2021, 14:12
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Various Twitter handles close to the BJP are saying that election dates may be announced next week. Does the applicability of the model code of conduct apply to NUJS faculty appointments? I'm assuming that the TMC will attempt to pack in their people among new hires?
Guest 8 Jan 2021, 14:51
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Really? How many of the teaching faculty hired during the last decade at NUJS have been people from TMC? The answer is, none. In fact, more than 50% of those (7/13) have been from outside Bengal (Kerala, Karnataka, Manipur, Tamil Nadu and UP).
Guest 9 Jan 2021, 05:26
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True. If anything, the only people among those thirteen who openly profess their political affiliation are left-oriented. One is even politically active as part of several left groups.
Guest 14 Jan 2021, 09:08
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BIG UPDATE: Rumours are turning out to be true. Today's TOI front page headline is that the Bengal elections may indeed be held early, to avoid clashes with board exams. Dates may be announced in Feb. This means that NUJS faculty appointments will either be paused because the Model Code will come into effect in Feb, or will be rushed through the next 2 to 3 weeks (before the EC announces the dates) to accommodate those favoured by the law minister and his gang.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/state-polls-may-be-brought-forward-to-avoid-exam-clash/articleshow/80259984.cms

NKC's role will now be interesting. As we can see below, he had made efforts to be friendly towards Mamata just before applying for VCship. But many people in Bengal are now switching over to the saffron camp. Will NKC follow the law minister's orders and quickly hire faculty, or will be switch camps and block attempts to appoint faculty before the Model Code comes into effect?

One switch has already happened. A website has reported that professor Anupama Ghoshal (daughter of former TMC MP Anup Ghoshal) ditched TMC and joined BJP. Photo and link to news report below.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ocSWzWp.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/kmdEY5l.png[/img]

https://english.kolkata24x7.com/biswa-bangla-a-company-owned-by-abhishek-banerjee-mukul.html/

[img]https://i.ibb.co/xDq6rSf/anupama-ghoshal-kolkata24x7.jpg[/img]
Guest 14 Jan 2021, 11:08
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So basically from your own argument, no matter whether the VC tries to recruit or doesn't try to recruit faculty, he would be considered as a political stooge either way? Nice one!
If the law minister wishes to get his own people in, why did he put a stop to recruitment five months back and been stonewalling since then? You are not even making sense.
If recruitment happens early, it would be because from July onwards, the new UGC Regulations would come into effect that would effectively exclude more than half of the young NLU alumni from getting a job, since PhD is being made mandatory. That's why NLSIU, NALSAR are trying to recruit quickly now.
As for your other 'political information', you are referring to facts several years old as 'breaking news'.
Guest 14 Jan 2021, 14:25
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NLus aren't government institutions per se. The Model Code does not prevent their recruitment from taking place.
Guest 14 Jan 2021, 17:53
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Is it true that the law minister is indeed stonewalling faculty recruitment, as 80.1 says? If yes, that's major news and direct evidence of political interference, to an extent no NLU has ever seen. Kian you should investigate this. Has anyone heard of a politician (and that too a most mediocre guy)stonewalling faculty recruitment? This is also a slap in the face of the CJI, who is Chancellor.

Kian, PLEASE cover this. It will result in a clash between the CJI and Mamata and receive major coverage on MSM.
Guest 15 Jan 2021, 02:59
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He has forced the matter to be vetted by the state for checking the reservation of the posts five months back. So far, the state is simply sitting on the matter and not giving the clearance, though there is no reason why it should be involved at all.
Guest 16 Jan 2021, 03:48
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So this proves that the TMC has taken over NUJS. This is shocking and deserves a separate story.
Guest 16 Jan 2021, 07:04
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Interestingly enough, based on rumours, the VC was supposed to be pro-state, but so far he has been opposing these moves by the law minister although without much effect.
Guest 16 Jan 2021, 07:15
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Kian won't do stories with political overtones. There are plenty of people from whom he can confirm what has been mentioned here.
Guest 16 Jan 2021, 12:57
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I agree that Kian is scared of stories with political overtones. That's why he has gone soft on Manan Mishra of late.
Guest 20 Jan 2021, 11:41
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BREAKING: MLA and international trade/corporate lawyer Arindam Bhattacharya (LLM from Turin University) has joined BJP a few minutes ago. He was originally with Congress. The BJP's legal team now has the following people from Bengal. Expect one of them to join the NUJS GC after the elections, assuming Mamata loses.

- Vikramjit Banerjee, Senior Advocate and ASG (LLB NLSIU, LLM Leicester)
- Som Mandal, Owner of Fox Mandal, LLB Calcutta University
- Kabir Shankar Bose, Advocate and Barrister at Law (LLB Nottingham and Barrister at Law)
- Now Arindam Bhattacharya.

https://in.linkedin.com/in/arindam-bhattacharya-85085030.
https://arindambhattacharya.wordpress.com/about/
Guest 20 Jan 2021, 16:02
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Nobody cares.
Guest 20 Jan 2021, 16:55
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List of jokers. Supporting people and causes that belie their education.
Guest 21 Jan 2021, 03:43
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This guy is like a shuttlecock, bouncing around every possible political party. 3 parties in 4 years. He still shamelessly retains the seat that he had won on the ticket of a party he had left in 2016! People like this only do what is good for them, and are not good for anyone or anything else.
Guest 21 Jan 2021, 05:26
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Any chance of Anupama getting a ticket, perhaps from the constituency where her father was an MP? There is already a precedent of an NLU prof contesting an election: Prof Babu Mathew of NLSIU and NLUD, for AAP in Bengaluru North. He came fourth with 28,000 votes, after BJP, Congress and JDS.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/nlu-d-visiting-professor-babu-mathew-be-aaps-ls-candidate-bangalore-north
Guest 21 Jan 2021, 05:38
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Will the swallow ever sing?