Students under the gun: Amarchand v Trilegal in early NLS campus swoop, 48-hour offers

NLSIU Bangalore
NLSIU Bangalore

Amarchand Mangaldas and Trilegal conducted interviews on NLSIU Bangalore campus with 35 students yesterday (25 May), making 15 job offers and hoping to steal a march on competitors in the recruitment war for 2011 graduates.

Amarchand interviewed a pool of 28 applicants all day yesterday, offering jobs to 10 and internships to six in its Bangalore and Mumbai and Hyderabad offices, before the current batch of fifth years had even passed out.

Trilegal interviewed a total of 35 applicants and offered five jobs in its Bangalore and Mumbai office.

Although Amarchand released its offer list at around 4pm while Trilegal was still conducting interviews, the firms largely avoided treading on each others’ toes, making only one offer to the same candidate despite both interviewing 28 of the same students.

However, the Amarchand job offers lapse after only 48 hours. Last year Amarchand had introduced a 24-hour time-limit on accepting applications as law school recruitment patterns had changed from fixed IIM-style recruitment weeks to rolling year round recruitment, explained an NLSIU recruitment committee source.

Earlier recruitment committees had allowed students to interview with multiple firms in the same band on the same day and choose between offers but the reduced recruitment in the recession increased the bargaining power of the firms and put in place one-job rules, which forced students to make choices on the spot.

One NLSIU student who did not interview with either firm yesterday said: “I don’t want to have to say yes or no to a life choice in one day - I would rather wait for all the firms to come and then choose. So I am not applying right now at all.”

Last year’s recruitment season started in June for Amarchand, which hired 11 from NLSIU and in July for Trilegal at NUJS Kolkata, with the firm recruiting six months earlier there than the previous year. Amarchand in particular is understood to have been keen to beat the recruitment competition from foreign firms on campus, pressuring the recruitment committee to move its interview date forward after the firm recruited only four students from NLS’ 2009 batch.

However, Trilegal had shunned NLSIU in its 2009-10 recruitment milkround after Amarchand’s early visit to campus, according NLSIU recruitment committee sources. Instead, Trilegal hired primarily from NUJS and NLU Jodhpur in 2009.

This year, it is understood that extensive negotiations took place between recruiting firms and the NLSIU recruitment committee, with all ultimately agreeing for Amarchand and Trilegal to recruit on the same day. The main recruitment interview period is usually in December.

Amarchand and Trilegal were unavailable for comment at time of going to press.

NLSIU’s 2011 batch consists of around 100 students.

Comments

Anonymous guest 25 May 2010, 17:35
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hahahaha

smart to ploy to make toppers commit before the magic circle firms approach them. wonder if any topper will be dumb enough to fall for this trick. yes, it's true the foreign firms are cutting down recruitment drastically, but the top few will always get recruited by them. it's also better for ppl to do an llm if their marks are good enough to earn them a scholarship.

job offer lapses after 24 hours eh? wonder why!
Anonymous guest 25 May 2010, 20:36
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hahahaha - what's funny?

smart to ploy to make toppers commit before the magic circle firms approach them. wonder if any topper will be dumb enough to fall for this trick - what trick?

yes, it's true the foreign firms are cutting down recruitment drastically, but the top few will always get recruited by them. - and thus it was prophecied!

it's also better for ppl to do an llm if their marks are good enough to earn them a scholarship. - incredible career advice. final year students please lap up all the information provided here. pearls of career wisdom.

job offer lapses after 24 hours eh? wonder why! - beats me man. any guesses?
Anonymous guest 25 May 2010, 21:45
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you dont require any guesses ! The figures speak for themselves. 35 applicants for trilegal - 5 job offers. 28 for amss, 10 job offers. [...]
Anonymous guest 25 May 2010, 22:31
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Beats me why you even replied to #1!!
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 04:18
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Congratulations to all who got placed :-)
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 04:45
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100 students..how come?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 05:51
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people fail!
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 06:40
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Hell! 100 is a HUGE number isn't it? NLS starts off with what - 53? So per # 7, every SECOND student in this batch is a repeater??

Yeah, 35 interviewees and 15 offers seems like a cold start.. I thought this year would be 'aggressive'?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 08:30
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1) Might I clarify here that these offers are made to students who are in their FOURTH YEAR and not those who are in their fifth year. Fifth year students are all placed already. These are fourth year students getting placed.
2) 53 is the number of general category candidates. 80 students are admitted each year. And yes, people do fail. There are about 90 odd students in the current fourth year batch.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 11:18
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hey guys just wanted to know whats the average placement at nls like? domestic is around 6 lakhs am i rite. and its amazing how 20 students alrdy hve offers even though they havent passd fourth year yet?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 12:55
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seems amarchand has been fooled if they believe they will be ahead of foreign firms if they recruit now ... Training Contracts and vacation schemes have already been offered to present 4th year students. Vacation schemes, generally get converted to TCs ...I wonder what happens to those with 2012 TCs ...do they get to sit for the placements?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 15:02
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@10: The placements for the 5th yr batch are over. If we leave aside foreign firms, the top placements are rumoured to be more than 11-12 lacs. S&R is paying the highest (again rumours), they have taken 3 people from the batch of 2010 but the exact figure is undisclosed. AMSS and Luthra. are paying 10/year.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 15:58
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Dude - the toppers are already holding offers from law firms like Norton Rose and Ashurst n Linklaters, Allen and Overy and Herbert Smith. The chaps who sat for these were not even the people at the top of the class. Free. So its not just 15 people with jobs...but more.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 16:01
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lowest salary may go upto 6 . Average salary is 7.8-8.5 depending on the year. apart from the 15 placed with AMSS and trilegal , 2 have been placed with Ashurst and Norton Rose. another 3 will be doing internships in London with other firms in the summer and may get placed there. Ideally about 8-12 get placed per batch with london firms ... though when the recession hadn't hit the number was 14-18
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 16:05
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If the number of offers being made to students at nls is on the lower side, i guess it won't be such a fantastic recruitment year for colleges after all!
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 17:08
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it's an absolute disrgace that in india the lawyers depend on the charity of a handful of familes for jobs (the shroffs, the luthras etc)... india is basically a medieval 12th century economy posing as a world power... just like the birlas ensured that indians only drive their crappy cars for 40 years, the SILF mafia have kept out modern, professional law firms like the magic circle
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 19:01
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money sells and thats what this article is all about.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 19:23
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Luthra paid 12L to freshers last year. It should go up to 13.5L this year.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 19:42
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@18!!one of those fools to believe the figures!
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 19:48
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@ #18:
Shame on you!! Lawyers must be concerned with serving society, not with money. [Sarcastic post follows, yes, very funny but we can not publish personal attacks. -Ed]
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 20:47
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@16 How is luthra a family firm? As far as I know, there are no Luthras (other than rajiv luthra) in that firm.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 20:51
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Dear LI Team, do u think it'll be possible for u all to inform us of the choices that students have made between law firms (ranked within the top 15) from the graduating batches of NLS, NUJS, NLU Jodhpur & NALSAR? I understand that different recruiters have recruited from different places but this would enable us to decide which firms are actually better in the opinions of students.
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 21:41
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The identity of the two firms on the first day is interesting. Amarchand is understandable but how come Trilegal as the other and not L&L and AZB?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 22:13
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#23, valid point, but I wonder what happened to firms like Crawford Bailey, Mulla and others. Shouldn't being good at a point of time in history ensure leadership for all coming times, irrespective of what is offered by them?
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 23:07
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all firms were given the option to come with AMSS ... but I guess they aren't as insecure as AMSS and Trilegal and neither as stupid to believe that coming in June will help them beat foreign firms ... those who want to leave will leave even after they get retainership contracts from AMSS or Trilegal. Unlike an employment contract a retainership can be terminated at will. Further, Luthra's strategy to be dignified has paid off because many students with high GPS did NOT sit for AMSS recruitment because they think Luthra is a better place to work in !
Anonymous guest 26 May 2010, 23:29
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#25 I didn't realise that this was a war or a game where someone is trying to "beat" another. Perhaps AMSS and Trilegal thought that hey, NLS is not a bad law school, let's see if we can get as good students from there as we can.

As for terminating a retainer, great, highly ethical start to a career in the legal profession that!
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 01:34
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Someone seems to have major problems with AMSS and Trilegal!
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 03:15
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trilegal offered a 12.8 L
amss hasnt officially said anything abt its pay but last year they paid 12 L
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 03:45
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#20:
[Sarcastic post follows, yes, very funny but we can not publish personal attacks. -Ed]

OK. Here's the edited post. Hope I can make it past the censor this time:

The owner of an Indian law firm called ****** suggested that law firms from *********** should not be allowed to enter India because they are only concerned with *****, whereas Indian law firms are inspired by the selfless and noble ideals of ******* *******

I personally think that these views are a ***** of ****
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 04:29
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@24 ha ha ! you make us laugh. Lets get back to the medieval age. Where is my loin cloth made of sheepskin??
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 06:41
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how amusing it is that the moment the words 'NLS' and 'recruiting firms' are in the same sentence, the comments range from highly emotional to incredible idiotic...none made by a law schoolite, mind you, bt those who
a) could not gt thru NLS
b) realize an anonymous post is a good way to advertise their stupidity.
At least, tell us which institution you're from, when you find 15 placements in 4th yr itself a 'cold start'... or make sweeping statements about law firms ...before launching in a vitriolic tirade against capitalism and money-making ambitions.
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 18:29
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# 30 funny it is, if you think that AMSS, L&L and AZB will be the only firms competing against each other in the future, without considering the upcoming firms like JSA, Trilegal, Phoenix and many more. No doubt AMSS L&L and AZB are market leaders but it will be foolish to assume that lawyers will continue to flock there only because of what they have achieved in the past. The market is dynamic and many are showing potential to reach the top, be it as a full service firm or in some select practice areas.

As for you loin cloth, it was replaced by fabric because someone entered the market with something better to offer !!!
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 18:36
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Any information on how rank specific these 15 offers from AMSS and Trilegal were????
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 19:39
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#32's comments are correct. With salaries and nature of work in the same ball park in the top 5-6 firms, students may increasingly choose firms more on work culture, long term career prospects and the positive comments from their seniors who work in these firms. This is perhaps reclected in the fact that some students wanted a firm like Trilegal to be there on the same day as a firm like Amarchand.
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 20:28
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the person who was offered both trilegal and amarchand - chose trilegal!
Anonymous guest 27 May 2010, 21:07
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@ #34
The students did not decide to call the firms. These particular firms decided to come early.
Anonymous guest 28 May 2010, 06:14
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@33 : Rank specific ? As in did they pick up people in the top 10 ranks of the applicants ???
surprisingly no!!! Especially not trilegal. They had quite a tough interview process and they offered jobs to a mixed bunch ...
just proves GPA is not everything !
Anonymous guest 28 May 2010, 16:14
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though i don't work in Trilegal, however I have heard that they are really sensible and matured when it comes to recruitment. for them CGPA is not the sole criterion unlike some other firms.
Anonymous guest 28 May 2010, 16:48
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I wouldn't call the interview process "tough", but it was somewhat thorough and comparable to what can be expected from any other recruiters' interview.

#37 is correct, the selections were not strictly rank based. This was also because (as the article pointed out) some high rankers did not sit for the interviews and decided to wait for some other recruiters. While recruitments at NLS have always been good, I am confident that this year will be better. Almost 20 students with offers from domestic firms even before the year starts is not a trivial feat. Add to that the foreign firms and the other top Indian firms which are yet to come, and this batch seems very comfortably placed.
Anonymous guest 31 May 2010, 00:46
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Its the same situation with Trilegal and NLS everywhere.. THey're both pushing to be the first recruiters in all the three top law schools
Anonymous guest 31 May 2010, 07:03
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hey the clat results and institute selections clearly show that nls is still the best. 53 out of the top 55 canddates have chosen nls again. way to go law school! also we have the hottest women from all over the country. the most ecletic cosmopolitan and broadminded bunch!
Anonymous guest 31 May 2010, 22:10
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How much more longer before u have law firms lining up as soon as students have entered NLS?!? Frankly, this is turning into a ridiculous situation... In our days, the recruitment season started in the last trimester of the 5th year... Now, even before students have completed their 4th year, they have a job at hand... soon it will be before the end of the 3rd year... and soon.. it will be before students have learnt the "C" of contract law or company law... All in this mad rush to grab students...

From a students' perspective as well, this scenario does not bode well.. students will become tunnel visioned in their effort to be placed with tri, bi, quadri and penta legal and whatever other names law firms will conjure up....
Anonymous guest 1 Jun 2010, 21:49
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@ Devina

CLAT results only show that NLS is still the SAFEST choice and not necessarily the best. It's like choosing between a mature Gavaskar and a young Tendulkar. There is no reason to say that one will score more runs than the other in a given match!


Would respectfully disagree with the latter part of your comment! The type of the pool of incoming students is pretty much the same in all law schools. While all that is debatable - Hyderabad and Pune most definitely have hotter women!

Trilegal and AMSS are doing this in every law school. NALSAR had to threaten to boycott one of them to sort out the mess (last years batch also boycotted Trilegal). All NLUs should come together to boycott such early recruitments. How focused can the students who already have a job be throughout their 5th year? Once again the age old debate of whether our law schools are just the training factories for these law firms..