Tamil Nadu NLU seeks new VC (not necessarily with 10 years of professorship): Bimal Patel, judges start search

Tamil Nadu National Law University (TNNLU Tiruchirappalli) is looking for a new vice chancellor (VC), with the search spearheaded by ex-Supreme Court Justice AK Sikri, ex-Madras high court Justice P Kalaiyarasan, and ex-GNLU Gandhinagar director Dr Bimal Patel.

The requirements for its new VC are rather flexible. Instead of just having a flat 10 years of professorship experience requirement, the committee would apparently also accept 10 years of “experience in a reputed research and/or academic administrative organization with proof of having demonstrated academic leadership”, so long as the candidate has “proven leadership quality” and promote “teaching and research at the highest levels of excellence”.

More details in the application here (or below); the deadline is 28 October.

The selected candidate will succeed outgoing VC Prof Kamala Sankaran.

TNNLU VC notification
TNNLU VC notification

Comments

Special 26 7 Oct 2019, 13:25
+7 -0
Bimpa back in action !!
pimple 7 Oct 2019, 13:31
+4 -1
It is truly remarkable how BimPa inserts himself in the places where he is least welcome. How long until their first candidate is just BimPa himself
Raksha!! 7 Oct 2019, 16:23
+5 -1
Arre what happened to handling Raksha Shakti, Bimpaji? Finally GNLU has a good VC, TNLU valo ko toh chhod do
Infra 7 Oct 2019, 17:22
+1 -1
TNNLU needs a good building, Bimpa...please engage Contractor Jaswal. God forbid he ends up at NLUD.
Guest 7 Oct 2019, 18:54
+2 -3
NLUD students, please note that the 10 year professorship rule is neither a compulsory UGC requirement nor a requirement under the NLUD statute. This is a COMPLETE LIE spread by certain people with vested interests who want NLU VCs selected on the basis of seniority. It was also being attempted at NLSIU to stall Sudhir Krishnaswamy, but ultimately failed.

At NLUD some people will again try and use this lie to push for their candidates. It is important to stand up to this rubbish and argue in favour of Mrinal Satish to be VC (or similar younger applicant).
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 07:11
+6 -0
Err... How could the 10 year rule have been sought to be used against Sudhir? He did finish his ten years as a professor before he got selected for NLSIU I believe.
Guest 7 Oct 2019, 18:55
+3 -0
Oldies who tried to block Sudhir are requested to apply here and leave NLSIU for good.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 07:13
+10 -0
Sudhir has already failed to block the fee hike that all his googly-eyed supporters were claiming he would reverse at first opportunity. Things haven't started off well. Hope they improve. He can do a lot of good down there, but only if he gets support from faculty, students and EC. Not otherwise.
Guest 7 Oct 2019, 18:59
+0 -0
Rumour has it that Bimpa is eyeing RGNUL VCship after Jaswal heads to NLUD. But the problem is that Nandimath may also want that post. The appointment of Sudhir has upset some calculations. However, if the NLUs in Sikkim, Uttarakhand and J&K come up fast that means 3 more vacancies. CNLU is also looking, I think.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 07:14
+0 -0
NLUJ would start looking soon too apparently.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 09:23
+1 -0
UGC directs VCs to award promotions on the basis of quality of published work, not quantity

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/ugc-directs-vcs-to-award-promotions-on-the-basis-of-quality-of-published-work-not-quality-1606474-2019-10-05
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 09:55
+0 -0
Nandimath, Ramesh, Lizzie and Nagaraj will probably leave in the next 12 months to head other NLUs. Options include Delhi, Patiala, Jodhpur, Patna, Sikkim, Uttarakhand and J&K.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 12:04
+4 -0
Unlikely. They may just choose to stay back and create so many obstacles for Sudhir that the latter is forced to reach some form of compromise with the old guard or just leave himself.
VC Watch 8 Oct 2019, 11:55
+2 -0
Lizzie was rejected by NLU Ranchi because she secured the LLB degree after having acquired PhD in History. I am only stating a fact, not justifying. I don't know whether there is any UGC rule etc on this point. Nagaraj had a bad run at NLUO. Will Ramesh really leave? What about Sairam, is he really happy with the "change"?

Kian, have you checked whether CNLU Patna has even started the VC search process? Kamala S will be a contender in NLUD. If GSB loses out he may end up going to RGNUL.

Unless JSP has managed an extension etc, NLU Assam will also need to scout for a new VC. There is a murmur for son/daughter of "the soil" to take over.

NLUs in UK, JK and Sikkim are a long way off. NLU Jodhpur still has time. For now it will be NLUD, TNNLS and CNLU Patna that will be up for grabs.

By the way, why forget Vijendar from MNLU Nagpur? Word is that he may try for NLUD and/or RGNUL (should PJ make a move)

We are all missing Prof Sridhar Acharyalu who recently became the Dean of Bennett Law after VCV went to HNLU Raipur. Prof SA is well known to RS due to their common NALSAR link. Also are we really sure that AD will simply retire from NALSAR and not even consider applying for NLUD or TNNLS? Very likely the former but who knows.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 15:51
+2 -0
AD has always maintained that she will not apply for VCship anywhere (because RS tanked her in 2008/09 with VS). She currently holds a major grant from Ford Foundation and is bound to retire in 14 months. I don't think there has been anything done or said on her part to alter these facts.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 16:37
+0 -0
VC retirement age is now 70 as opposed to faculty retiring at 65. She may very well do a stint even after retirement, but I agree with you about her not being too keen about it at this stage.
John Mclane 9 Oct 2019, 09:23
+3 -0
Nagraj's run at NLUO was not bad at all. He did had skirmish with local administration, in particular from the galleries of Court of Law, but NLUO witnessed a remarkable progress in academics during his tenure. It is pity that he was forced to resign after a very short period. But it is outrightly wrong to say that he had a bad run at NLUO.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 14:25
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It is time we all stop apologizing for what Sudhir can/not or will/not do etc. He is new. Sure it will take a while for him to familiarize himself because NLS has certainly changed from the time he was a student and then later an Assistant Prof (on contract). However, lets not bend backwards to mollycoddle. Sudhir knew exactly what he was getting into and his "allies" inside and outside NLS must have given him enough info to decipher the ways of NLS administration.

Sudhir also has Sarasu as Registrar who never really left the campus. With so much of "help" can we all stop blaming the old guard and concentrate on whether and how far Sudhir is going to walk the talk. Just because we want the old guard to leave that doesn't mean they will and we all know that the usual suspects aren't the only members of the "old guard".

Even the SBA knew that the fee hike will not be reversed. At best the increase would get staggered. Fee hikes are kinda (to quote Sudhir) inevitable. What we want to know is how our fees have been and will be spent. I want to know why deficits (allegedly caused by sweetheart deals, leaky tenders etc) need to be plugged with our fees while others in the administration make hay.

I do want to look forward. But why is Sudhir avoiding a special audit? Don't ask, don't tell...eh? I really feel for Sarasu. In this version of GoT as well, the Hand will suffer.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 15:07
+0 -2
Good points raised by #10. Here are my predictions on the VC appointments.

1. Jaiswal goes to NLUD
2. Nagaraj goes to RGNUL
3. Kamala Shankaran goes to NLUJ
4. Poonam Saxena goes to CNLU
5. Ved Kumari goes to NLU J&K
6.. Lizzie goes to NLU Sikkim
7. Sridhar Acharyulu goes to NLU Uttarakhand
8. Nandimath goes to Bennett
9. Sairam Bhat goes to NLU Haryana
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 16:00
+14 -2
Or maybe you can just go to sleep?
GRRRRR 8 Oct 2019, 15:21
+1 -4
I am fed up with these moronic comments about the NLSIU fee hike, by the same people who have no problem paying 1 lakh to buy a smartphone. When will you idiots understand that quality education comes at a price?Sudhir is 200% right in not reversing the hike. You need money to pay for good faculty and infra. Either tolerate bad faculty and infra, or STFU and pay up to improve things. NLSIU is NOT funded by MHRD like IITs and IIMs, so the funding pool has to be limited. Please also note:

1) ISB charges 15 to 20 lakhs a year
2) JGLS charges 8 lakhs a year
3) Medical colleges can cost up to a crore.

NLSIU is NOT a charity. Stop whining and go to GLC if you have a problem. Or at least support Sudhir in getting NLSIU designated as an INI funded by the MHRD.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 16:03
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Such privilege, much wow! The question that students can and should ask is are they being provided the facilities commensurate with what they are paying? The source of alternative funds, be it State or private sponsors, can be debated afterwards. Why do you keep comparing NLSIU with Jindal or ISB? Those are private institutions, not public statutory ones. Also, has Sudhir applied for INI status already or did he just appear in your dreams to tell you that he has?
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 04:14
+2 -0
Who told you that people protesting the hike are all privileged ones capable of spending one lakh on their phones? Are you so blinded by your privilege that you actually have little idea that the other 99% also exist in this world and around you? Shameful!
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 04:15
+0 -0
The best medical colleges in the country cost a fraction of the amount you mentioned, since all of them are subsidised by the State. The ones you mention charging that much are private institutions.
Guest5 9 Oct 2019, 11:35
+2 -0
But they require a compulsory service bond (often in rural areas). Is Law School willing to accept a rural litigation bond in return for lower fees? Didn't think so.
Fee hike is inevitable. What can be done is to minimise its impact (deferrals/delayed payment/scholarships/loans). But a fee hike is the need of the hour. And better audit (both financial AND performance) of sanctioned expenditure. Possibly hold nefarious actors to account.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 18:20
+1 -0
Still a lot of difference. The bond is because the fees are really low, a fraction of even what NLU students pay at present. Plus you can get out of the bond by paying an amount that is lesser than what unsubsidised fees might have been. The State does support a lot of traditional law universities at present. Are the students there giving such bonds? The faculty at those universities get paid the same as NLU faculty. The infra isn't much different either barring possibly the library facilities. Now if you are saying that an NLU want to scale up to jindal like salary and infra, then yes, fee hike may be needed. Not otherwise.
Nuh huh 10 Oct 2019, 02:37
+1 -0
No way. Compare the infrastructure to ULC, right across the street from Law School. Have you seen their hostels? Run down to the point of no plumbing. No power backup. No WiFi. No concept of "database access" or "library subscriptions". They don't have conference halls, no moot court programme, no gym etc. Is that what you want? Then pay ULC fees, and go to ULC. Law School isn't for the likes of you.

Like I said, financial accessibility is a concern. But the solution to that is to put in place solid mitigation measures, like easier loans and more scholarships. But the fiscal health of the Law School cannot be compromised. I am not saying that there hasn't been profligacy. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Crack down and ensure more responsible spending, audit accounts, reduced corruption (especially in the Estates Department).

The Bond Break fee at Medical Colleges is indeed high. AFMC Pune charges well in excess of 15 lakhs, if you wish to opt out of the mandatory service bond. That's way more than even the proposed fee hike. Further, another argument as to why government medical college fees are low is because they also function as active teaching 'hospitals'. The faculty and (senior) students are actively involved in diagnosis, treatment and even procedures of the general public. A public health service delivery function is being achieved (which the state is expected to do). In Law School, the closest approximation is the Legal Services Clinic (which is not obligatory and merely an ABC). How on earth can you ask the government to subsidise Law School then, beyond a point? There's a reason the IIMs are given the degree of autonomy they have to pursue excellence as they see fit. Law School is also given that, rightly so. The solution is to handhold students so that they are able to better access Law School. To bind the institution down to a mid-2000s fee structure as we enter the 2020s is absurd.

I think its great that Sudhir is on the side of the fee-hike. I hope he displays equal conviction in reviewing how this fiscal stress came about in the first place, including past construction contracts and other suspect expenditure.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 04:28
+1 -0
Why only pinpoint traditional law colleges that are doing badly? Compare the prominent state universities like DU, Hyderabad, JNU etc. Even GLC infra isn't that different TBH. They all have comparable infra to law school (and they pay their faculty the same). They still have subsidised fees. Why don't you discuss how that is possible? Once again, the issue is about whether law school students are actually getting anything extra for the fees that they are paying. I mean, apart from alumni network etc. Those don't cost institutional funds anyway. Better faculty, definitely, but again those people are paid the same. So where does all this extra money go? The students want to know.
really? 10 Oct 2019, 12:24
+0 -0
GLC infra compares to the Melgiri Library? The A&O Hall, TC or LC? Stop with the absurd claims. Anyone with a minimum experience of law school will see this as harm fisted trolling
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 15:30
+0 -0
Actually, the funding is there. The culture isn't. Those are two different things altogether. For now, law school isn't receiving government support to fund their infra. If it did, scenes would have been even better. GLC etc. can get the funding, but lack the good people with visions to utilize those.
Special 26 8 Oct 2019, 15:23
+0 -2
Better to have bimpa as a VC of tnlu. Or may be Mrinal Satish. Best choice will be Sanjay Pandey but he will not make himself available.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 15:23
+3 -0
I just hope Sudhir doesn't go the Justin Trudeau way. Google if you don't get the hint.
Huh 9 Oct 2019, 12:04
+1 -0
I seriously doubt Sudhir is into whiteface.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 13:26
+0 -1
Brownface and Blackface is trending. But that's not what I meant. Please Google a little more carefully.
Gyaani 8 Oct 2019, 15:36
+1 -0
NLU Uttarakhand is coming up in Ranipokhari village, 50 km from the state capital Dehradun. The village has a
population of 4744 and is headed by a Sarpanch.

Some photos:

[img]http://www.devbhoomidevelopers.com/images/Plots%20Ranipokhari%20Dehradun.jpg[/img]

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/5063/5588374138_568e28ce57_b.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.devbhoomidevelopers.com/images/rani_7.jpg[/img]

Links:

https://www.census2011.co.in/data/village/45322-rani-pokhari-grant-uttarakhand.html

https://news.careers360.com/nlu-uttarakhand-be-set-23rd-national-law-university-india
Request for Kian 8 Oct 2019, 15:54
+0 -0
Kian, your VC search story on NLUD did not make a mention whether they have applied the 10-year rule. There are rumours swirling that to accommodate certain unnamed favourites, certain tweaks have been made. For example there are candidates who obtained LLB after doing non-law doctorates.

As a commentator pointed out that someone was not considered by NLU Patna for this reason. Apparently the same reason was also offered for potential VC candidates in other NLUs as well.

Could you please "source" the notification which sets the criteria for NLUD VC search process?
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 16:39
+0 -0
Has there been any open advertisement yet?
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 17:34
+2 -0
NLUD students are informally meeting with Justice Sistani regarding the VC appointment.
Guest 8 Oct 2019, 19:24
+1 -2
NLUD people, do not forget the list of VC candidates submitted by NLSIU alumni to the NLSIU VC search committee. That is an A-list of candidates interested in VCship.
Don Joe 9 Oct 2019, 06:44
+2 -1
For God's sake please be mature guys. Stop talking crap and gossip about NLSIU and NLUD. It seems everyone is jobless on an another level. No one gives a shit about the crap you talk.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 07:12
+6 -1
Then why are you spending, if not wasting, your valuable time criticising it?
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 07:59
+1 -0
Exactly. It is a fact that NLSIU alumni and students submitted a list of 15 names to MP Singh for VCship. They are refusing to disclose the names and Kian either cannot or will not leak the letter. But if we look at NLSIU alumni of professor rank, we can guess who was named in the letter other than Sudhir K: Mrinal S (NLUD), Nigam N (Munjal), Prabha K (King's London), Shyam B (Penn), Srividhya R (Texas A&M) and Shamnad B (who was alive them).
Guest5 9 Oct 2019, 11:37
+1 -0
Srividya Raghavan (Texas A&M) was NOT on that list. She said so herself on the alumni group. She was approached, but said she was disinclined to return to India at this point.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 12:42
+1 -0
Nor was Shayam inclined to do so last I checked. In fact, I do not know any of the alumni working abroad who are senior enough for similar positions and actually interested in taking those up in India at this stage.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 07:54
+1 -0
Trust me, NLUD students will not launch an agitation like NLSIU students. The student body is disunited and filled with politics. There are certain backstabbers who abuse the admin in front of other students, but then suck up to the admin later and tattle to them about other students. These backstabbers will welcome Jaswal.
TNNLS 9 Oct 2019, 09:43
+2 -0
In response to the speculation about Prof Nagaraj, he is very much in the race for a VCship and has support from some fellow VCs. TNNLS can be a good option for him, as Tiruchipalli is just a one hour flight from Bengaluru. I think he will apply.
Real man 14 Oct 2019, 14:34
+0 -0
There is not much of a difference between one hour and two hours
Guest 14 Oct 2019, 16:53
+2 -1
Apart from while billing the client.
Tipster 9 Oct 2019, 09:53
+0 -7
Another VC vacancy will open up soon for the second NUJS campus, but the VC is likely to be handpicked by the govt rather than appointed through an open process. And even if there is an open process they will still prefer their own man, as happened with VCV getting overlooked for NUJS VC. But there is a tussle going on regarding the location of the second campus. While the law minister wants it in his constituency Asansol and has been leaking reports to the Bengali media to gain momentum, a counter camp is arguing that the Cal HC has a circuit bench in Jalpaiguri and North Bengal is strategically important, so Jalpaiguri should be the location (as has happened with the NLUs in Aurangabad, Nagpur and Jabalpur). What is also very interesting is that North Bengal and Asansol are both places where the BJP is gaining strength. Both have BJP MPs.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 11:20
+6 -0
Fake news. There's no second NUJS campus nor is there gonna be one.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 12:57
+1 -8
Second campus of NUJS is not entirely fake news. Long before the news broke in the media concerning domicile quota and/or its implementation in 2020, many in the campus did have "off-the-record" knowledge. Similarly (and Kian you may be interested), NKC went to BCI recently to increase LLB intake to 180. His excuse was that NUJS apparently has BCI permission for 120 but we have been taking in students beyond that number. Since BCI allows increases in batches of 60 hence let's just get 180 for now.

But we all know that NKC is lying. URC had clearly recommended that NUJS should scale down intake to a max of 105 LLB seats. Both URC and EC have clearly stated that we should steer clear of increased LLB intake unless we first get our faculty and infrastructure right. Those things need to be in place first and then the increase, that too in a phased manner.

So why is NKC in a tearing hurry? Wouldn't it have been more sensible of NKC to reduce the intake, get things in place and then get BCI permission for 180? But NKC has different priorities - he needs to please and flatter his political bosses (principally the AG and Co.) and also return favours.

Here are a couple of things that will unfold over the next few months in NUJS -

1. 180 seats means 60 domicile seats at a minimum. The WB govt will increase the quota to 50%. That means 90. These numbers are hugely useful in election season. In 2020, WB will have numerous municipal elections. That in many ways will signal how 2021 state elections will unfold.

2. NUJS will do a CLATexit - partial or otherwise. This will likely happen in 2021. Doubtful if a change in govt colours will necessarily affect this trajectory. After all a new govt will be under greater pressure to do populist things.

3. NKC will conduct faculty recruitment soon to pack in his loyalists. Some prodigal sons will return now that a new Allfather adorns the chair.

4. NKC will toy with the Registrar position as he needs a loyalist there who is also approved by AG and Co. The latter hate SJA for having "precious' sent into Hyding. They want another SCM to be appointed, preferably "precious". That's the reason AG and Co. kept elongating the Registrar and AO selection processes. If ever these positions went to folks who they cannot control, there will be too many skeletons tumbling out. No wonder PN Sinha Report got buried and PIB allowed to slink away. Surprised why the inquiries are going nowhere?

5. Expect some more amendments in NUJS Act, especially changes in the composition of EC, FC , AC as also tenures of internal EC, AC members. Also expect faces from among the new hires in the EC, AC. Injustice League has no idea how NKC is going to f**k them over. Justice League will be hoping that "precious" will come back to maintain a detente with Injustice League.

6. Adjustments will be made between Justice and Injustice Leagues resulting in the dilution and/or burial of various inquiries, especially the ones relating to faculty recruitment and distance education. This will also help NKC and AG and Co.

7. WB will definitely have another NLU. And yes it will be in North Bengal. The toss up is whether a third NLU can be announced simultaneously or later. Also which model to follow, MNLU or Jabalpur.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 13:48
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If you know so many things, why not actually build consensus against it out in the open, instead of venting and hinting here anonymously? How many of the claims that you've made have any basis in facts? Precious few, if any. You do know that unless you have the courage to criticise something or someone out in the open using your own name, nobody is going to take you seriously, right? All you'd get is probably a few likes on your comment in the anon comment section of gossip rags.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 13:51
+8 -0
Kian, I'm surprised you hasten to edit out known facts against people or institutions, but are perfectly okay with allowing such random rumours and assertions without any proof that attack people and institutions alike. I don't really care about the person named here for my personal reasons, but what's being done here isn't palatable either. Please tell me you've at least prima facie proof of all that's been claimed here. Otherwise what's the difference between you and an yellow page journalist?
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 14:46
+8 -0
@24: And we should believe all this why? Are you a student, alumni, faculty/ex-faculty or someone from the admin? Or just a troll? It's a bit difficult to accept your assertions as unadulterated truth without knowing your identity. You seem to be having an agenda of your own. We already have too many of those.
Neutral 10 Oct 2019, 06:54
+0 -5
#24 is spot on. Every word is true. The SJA must take on the TMC govt head on through both protests and PILs. NKC, law minister, advocate general etc are out to ruin the college.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 07:12
+5 -1
Yes, your neutrality is dripping from every word of your comment. Between you BJP bhakts and TMC stooges, god help the people actually interested in the well-being of the place! Ever filed a PIL yourself or taken part in any organised protest for meaningful cause, o keyboard instigator?
Just informing 9 Oct 2019, 13:19
+3 -0
Dr Prabha Kotiswaran or for that matter many others in the list haven't lost their minds to ditch positions abroad. Not elitism or money factor. They are on a great trajectory and misadventures called NLUs will careen their careers elsewhere. Sure they wouldn't mind making some visits, arranging collaborations etc. But full-time positions in NLUs....dream on, unless they have domestic compulsions, such as having to come back for a while because they are the only caregivers of parents etc who have suddenly fallen sick.

There was a reason why they went abroad and stayed put. And with how things went down at NLS, the scenery hasn't changed.

While there was frenzy surrounding Sudhir and now Mrinal for NLUD (with laundry lists flying about), I think someone is missing this guy https://azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in/SitePages/arun-k-thiruvengadam.aspx

Word is TNNLS has made overtures.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 16:51
+2 -1
See what Faizan Mustafa is saying on VC appointments:

[quote]Even Albert Einstein cannot become the vice chancellor of an Indian university if he is ineligible under UGC regulations, the Madras HC had noted. VCs, the heads of universities and the most visible symbols of the university system, are these days appointed not because they are distinguished academicians, but because they have the right political connections in the MHRD in case of central universities, or appropriate political or caste affiliations in the concerned state—in many cases, they pay huge amounts of money with rates varying from `1 crore-`3 crore in some states.
[/quote]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/2018/oct/17/how-should-we-appoint-a-varsitys-vc-1886568.html
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 17:06
+7 -1
He should know. What great scholarships could he lay claim to before having been appointed at NALSAR? Most of the time he gives TV interviews and writes on newspaper. Not something serious academics do. He came from KIIT to NALSAR, just like the current NUJS VC has. NALSAR still flourished chiefly due to Dhanda. He's sensible enough not to antagonise her.
Guest 9 Oct 2019, 19:38
+0 -3
Here is a link to Faizan Mustafa's PhD thesis. See for yourself on whether this is the hallmark of a great academician. Also a link to his journal articles. I am struggling to spot any top journal.

https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/52362

http://www.faizanmustafa.in/research/
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 04:37
+7 -0
A vice-chancellor need not be a research scholar per excellence to lead an institution well. For example, Menon himself or Ranbir Singh. However, they should have proper appreciation for research, teaching, good vision and admin and PR skills. I agree that FM himself brought up the issue of scholarly achievements of VCs though, so he's probably gonna get this sort of questions aimed at himself.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 12:31
+3 -1
That doesn't seem half bad given it was a PhD granted in 1996. The research for it must have happened in the early 1990s. A world without Internet et al. Honestly, read a couple of chapters and failed to see how you are using this against him.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 13:22
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27 is the sort who seems to have nothing but contempt for scholarship or research unless it bears a Harvard or Oxbridge tag. I've seen this in a lot of people. Without even reading a paper, they start criticising it because it hasn't been published in a SCOPUS journal (which is essentially nothing but a money-making scheme, as people in the know are aware of). I'm not saying every journal publication is of excellent or even passable quality, but the least one can do is to read a paper once before blasting it.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 14:51
+0 -2
LOOOL. You either have a chip on your shoulder or don't know jack about what a thesis is supposed to do. A thesis is supposed to create new knowledge, not summarise existing knowledge. Also, all sources of info should be footnoted.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 15:25
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My comment was about the second part of 27 stating about his struggle to spot any 'top journal' in the list of publications, as anybody with half a brain would realise. As for thesis creating new knowledge, that's a very utopian view I'm afraid, especially when it comes to law. One can analyse the existing state of facts from one's own perspective, I guess. However, if you are solely looking for pure original knowledge creation, I'm afraid over 90% of the thesis written wouldn't pass that test. Sad, but true.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 08:08
+1 -0
Kian, can you please confirm if you have seen the NLSIU alumni letter proposing VC candidates? I do not know why you are not sharing it in public interest. You can at least share the names instead of the whole letter.
kianganz 10 Oct 2019, 08:09
+1 -0
No, I haven't seen the letter...
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 10:32
+3 -1
If NLUD students really want to lobby for those people named in the letter, then the least that they can do is to find out those names by doing a bit of research themselves. If I can't independently verify that a person is a good enough academic, then I shouldn't probably lobby for them just because somebody else did too.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 11:02
+2 -3
What an idiotic comment! If even Kian cannot access the letter how will NLUD students do so? It so clear that NLSIU people are maintaining an omerta about their lobbying efforts, be it to get Sudhir in or to stall the quota bill. They got the governor to return the bill (which is a HUGE deal) but convention demand that the bill be sent to the governor a second time after his concerns are addressed. At least on this point an RTI can be filed to know why the governor returned the bill. A comment should also be sought from then Attorney General Aditya Sondhi.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 11:19
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Doing research doesn't mean getting access to the letter. God, some people can be so dense! You independently figure out Indian academics teaching here and abroad, check their CV and credentials and shortlist. Like the NLSIU people did. You seem to be lacking in basic fundamentals. Stop trying to be free riders for once. This is what happens when law school standards plummet and people are encouraged to copy paste rather than think independently. Why on earth should NLSIU people share a confidential letter they had sent to the search committee with anybody else?
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 12:30
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... and why should they not?
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 12:34
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Because they don't have to. So unless you have very good reasons for why every letter should be treated as an open letter, why not do the research as the guy above recommended? Once again for your benefit, there are two categories of letters. Open and confidential.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 17:34
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But what is so confidential about it?
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 18:12
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The same as about every letter not written as an open letter and published in public domain. Every letter is confidential and private till the author or the recipient chooses to make it public.
Lame 10 Oct 2019, 12:41
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Are you for real? RTI to find out why a governor returned a bill? Have you even read the RTI Act bruh. This kind of information is absolutely not bound to be disclosed. Further, no governor gives reasons for discretionary returning of bills. At most, they might indicate a reason per art 200 if they're reserving a bill for Presidential assent. In any case, cabinet matters are absolutely exempt under Sec 8.
Sondhi was AAG (not AG) at the time. Considering the potential conflict of interest, he promptly recused himself officially and even unofficially/informally. There are countless others at the Karnataka bar who offers invaluable guidance.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 13:01
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LI is hushing up all this dirt so as not to make its beloved NLSIU look bad. I refuse to believe that Kian cannot access the documents explaining how the quota was stalled + the names of people proposed for VC.
lol 11 Oct 2019, 03:10
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Quota was stalled because the Governor was concerned about the dilution of the national character of the law school. So he returned the bill to the House and requested reconsideration. The legislature and GoK are doing said reconsideration.

Alumni Association is keeping the list of names a closely guarded secret, in the interest of the privacy of the listed individuals. Nothing nefarious about it. In fact, even members of the AA have been denied access to the list, only the Governing Board has it.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 13:33
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Someone here has already floated the names of Prof Sridhar Acharyalu (Bennett Law) and Dr Arun T (APU). Surely there are more names. But have NLUD students even reached out to these two senior academics?

By the way, a commentator helpfully stated that Prof Nagraj actually was having a good run at NLUO. But that upset certain powers that be and hence he had to leave. Does this then suggest that FM and now SKDR ensured their comfortable tenures by serving those "interests"?

Isn't this the same Prof Nagraj who got shorted by short dresses at NLS?
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 16:02
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NLUD has been an incredible success story by reaching #2 in NIRF in just 10 years. The next step is nothing short of #1. We are thus willing to go on an indefinite hunger strike until death if the VC appointment is rigged.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 17:32
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No you are not.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 06:45
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Bhai, thand rakh. You think Sudhir will just sit around waiting for NLUD to take over the no.1 spot? The gap between no.1 and the rest is only going to widen in the coming years. And what will your new "non-rigged" VC do when NLS takes away your good faculty who add the most number of points to your NIRF ranking anyway? Rumour in Nagarbhavi is - Sudhir is treating faculty hiring as one of his biggest priorities and is already actively reaching out to good faculty, including to the NLUD ones. Expect a lot of ghar wapsi soon!!!
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 07:42
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Ghar wapsi? Which NLSIU grad apart from Mrinal is teaching at NLUD now? Or are you including LLM grads and ex-contractual faculty too?
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 15:45
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Aparna Chandra? But I meant ghar wapsi of alumni from all over, not just nlud.
Muckraker 10 Oct 2019, 16:58
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Responding to folks having issues with Comment 24. Yellow journalism has a far deeper history than what this would suggest https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism. The term was used pejoratively to erode the credibility of Pulitzer and Hearst who caused disruption in the way press was run, written and financed. What was yellow journalism then later morphed into investigative journalism which was also derided as muckraking by the high and mighty inconvenienced by the disruptions caused.

It is for students, SJA, faulty to act on the information. Nothing new has been suggested or hinted. I really don't want to be proved right. Gives me no pleasure as it would only confirm that NUJS is nearing terminal velocity in its free fall.

Assuming without admitting that whatever "rubbish" was spewed was simply rumour mongering, can you produce evidence that NKC, AG and Co etc are not doing anything dirty or better still that you can make them fall in line should they go "astray"?

Why get so upset by "rumours"? If I am a charlatan, does NUJS or anyone really suffer any tangible harm?

No one did or could do a thing when NKC was imposed on us; diluted actions against his acolytes; ensured questionable promotions; signed off questionable utilization certificates; soft-pedaled inquiries etc. Do you fear that my "rumours" could upset the apple cart, finally....because they are true? Are you nervous because you fear there is an unidentified "mole" or people have begun reading your clique better?

Saffron keyboard warriors, stop this free boarding. NUJS can do without your dose of politicization. Your Law Minister has categorically snubbed INI status for NLUs and has no current plans or finances to stave off state interference. If TMC is hollowing out institutions here, your party is doing it elsewhere.

If you really want to help there is enough publicly available material for your "leaders" (including those in the laundry list that you keep circulating) to take up seriously. And please don't rattle off the names of Bar seniors here, including former AGs. Someone had rightly commented on their limitations and that hasn't changed.
Guest 10 Oct 2019, 18:09
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Just two things. I agree with several points you've made though.
1. You are asking people to provide evidence of a negative? I mean, is that possible?
2. You made several assertions about activities of the current VC with an air of authority. It makes those assertions appear as proven and established facts. They may be even so, I've little idea, but that's not backed by any proof on your part either, right? Failing that, those are just allegations on your part, not facts. May well be eventually proved as facts, mind you. But hasn't been till date.
VC Watch 10 Oct 2019, 18:29
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VC selection process not rigged is an exception to the "rule". It doesn't really matter how many worthies are fronting such panels.

You know things are not right when for every BimPa there is a BC https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/after-rmlnlu-death-allahabad-hc-condemns-admin-for-never-ending-trial-of-late-student-20121221-3335

Feel free to interpret BC. I mean the man and his actions.
IMPORTANT 10 Oct 2019, 19:30
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Kian, can you please report on the salary figures submitted by law schools for NIRF this time? We saw that NLIU, RGNUL and Symbi submitted fake figures last time, which hampered the ranks of NLUJ and GNLU. The deadline for NIRF has passed, so can you please ask each campus placement committee to confirm the figures so that we can match with the NIRF figures? This time you must name and shame the fakers.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 06:40
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Didn't NALSAR and NLUD do the same year before last? It seems like an epidemic! This is why till NIRF insists on verification of the data that they receive, these rankings are always going to remain suspect.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 06:29
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IMO, SKD Rao has a better chance than Jaswal. He is a professor at NLUD, currently on leave since he is VC at NLUO. He has been a registrar at NLUD also. How was he at NLUO? I know there were protests about infrastructure and other things like that, but since that is not that much a problem at NLUD, would he be good for us or not? Can NLUO people give their insights?
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 06:41
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If Rao has already been a faculty and registrar at NLUD, won't the students and alumni there have at least as good an idea about him as NLUO students would? A person doesn't change overnight after having become VC after all.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 07:56
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About NIRF, it will be helpful if LI can independently confirm facts now, so that it can be brought to the attention of the NIRF people.
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 08:00
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Lawctopus has published an interview with Sarasu Thomas

https://www.lawctopus.com/professor-sarasu-esther-thomas-nlsiu-registrar/
Guest 11 Oct 2019, 08:46
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This is a pretty old interview, taken back in 2016 I think.
Guest 27 Oct 2019, 16:24
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Deadline ends tomorrow. According to a reliable source 2 NLSIU professors have applied.
Guest 28 Oct 2019, 05:14
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Who? Who? Give hint no!
Guest 31 Dec 2019, 09:08
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Right. Prof. Elizabeth is from NLSIU. Who are other two in the final panel of the Search Committee?