[[NLS Bangalore]], [[Nalsar Hyderabad]], [[NUJS Kolkata]] and [[NLU Jodhpur]] were the four Indian teams out of more than 250 that qualified for the knock-out rounds of sixty-four at the [[Willem C. Vis International Commercial Arbitration Moot, Vienna|Vis Vienna Moot]].
Teams will now compete on a knock-out basis until the moot concludes this Sunday.
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This Tier 1 global championship moot will largely decide the fate of this season’s MPL sponsored by Allen & Overy.
Note: Unconfirmed reports have come in about the last 32/16 at Vienna. We will update when we receive authoritative confirmation.
Update 21:31: NLSIU Vienna mooter Adithya Banavar confirmed: “We got knocked out on a split decision (2-1) in the round of 16 against College of Law, England and Wales. NLU was knocked out by the same team in the previous round and NALSAR was knocked out by Munich.”
He added: “I’m not sure about NUJS!”
Note on awarding of points for Jessup and Vienna*:* Legally India’s original Jessup coverage relied on unofficial reports from participants and therefore remained subject to final confirmation.
After considerable deliberation with the final score allocations and mooters, Team MPL has now been able to take a final call and decided to award 10 points (Tier 1 honourable mention/other equivalent awards) to [[Nalsar Hyderabad]] for winning second-best applicant memorandum award at Jessup. We found this to be fully justified because it is a tough category in a big moot.
The teams figuring in the top 50 list are not being awarded any points as that list is based only on performance of the teams in the preliminary rounds. However, to recognise Jessup’s official recognition of best teams, Team MPL has decided to award 10 honourable mention points to any teams that break into the top 32 in Jessup and Vis Vienna. This is because of the extremely huge participation of teams in the above moots.
Many readers have suggested that all the speakers in the top 100 list at Jessup should not be awarded 10 points (honourable mention/other equivalent awards). We agree with this since it overpowers the Jessup vis-à-vis Vis (pun not intended).
Because we have to draw a line somewhere objective we went with the following. At Vienna, roughly 115 speakers out of 520 get citations as best speakers without a ranking. This equates to around 1 in 4.5 speakers (or 22%) of all speakers who be eligible for honourable mentions at Vis.
Applying the Vis 22% figure to the 260 speakers at Jessup last year, this would mean that the top 57 speakers at Jessup should be awarded honourable mentions in the MPL (Note: this year’s total Jessup and Vis participation figures are not yet officially confirmed on the Jessup website so we use last year’s).
A considered alternative was that since the top 32 teams out of 130 (24.6 per cent) at Jessup get honourable mentions, 24.6% out of 260 speakers is just under 64 speakers. We will therefore settle on the half-way figure of 60 as the cut-off for Jessup best speakers.
The current awarded Jessup MPL points would remain unchanged as [[ILS Pune]]’s second-best speaker placed 56th at Jessup – just within all of the three figures.
In future years the Jessup cut-off for best speaker honourable mentions will therefore be set at 60 unless participation varies widely.
We understand that this year’s awarding of points in the Tier 1 moots opened up a can of worms. We have, to the extent possible, tried to award points in a fair and objective manner. Please do let us have your feedback.
ICC Points
At the [[International Criminal Court (ICC) Trial Competition The Hague|ICC Trial Competition]] which concluded last week, [[Nalsar Hyderabad]] and [[NLS Bangalore]] were also adjudged the best Victims’ representative team and best Defense representatives team respectively.
We had not awarded points to them earlier for this. It has been decided to consider these awards as Honorable mentions and both the teams get 5 points each, according to the [[MPL rulebook]], which has been reflected in the updated rankings.
[[Mooting Premier League 2 season standings]]
| Pos | Law school | Pts | Details |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Nalsar Hyderabad | 254 | ICC Trial (Runners-up, Best Speaker Overall, Best Defence Counsel, Best Victims\’ Representative Team); NLS Arbitration (Semi-finalist); Jessup International Rounds (10th Best Memorandum, 2nd Best Applicant\‘s Memorandum); Stetson World Rounds (8th best oralist); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Runners-up, Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Runners-up); Amity (Semi-finalist, Best Memorandum); SP Sathe (Winner, best speaker); NLU-J Antitrust (Winner, best memorandum, best speaker); GIMC (Runners up); KLA Moot (Winners); BCI Moot (Winners);Jessup South (Runners up);NLIU-Juris Corp (Best speaker); Stetson South India (Winner), Nani Palkhiwala (Winners), Surana Int\‘l Minority (Semifinalist); Surana Tiral Advocacy South (Seminfinalist) |
| 2 | NUJS Kolkata | 179 | Vis-HK (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\‘s Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Quarter-finalist, 16th Best Memorandum, 29th Best Speaker, 36th Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Winners, best memorandum); [NLU-D Corp Law] (Runners up); NLU-J Antitrust (Semi finalist); KLA Moot (Best Speaker, Runners up);BCI Moot (Semifinalist); Commonwealth International Rounds (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Jessup North (Runners-up, Best Memorandum); Oxford-Media India Round (Winner); Commonwealth India Rounds (Winners; Best Memo); Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Best Memo, Best Speaker, Semi-finalist) |
| 3 | NLSIU Bangalore | 166 | ICC Trial (Best Memorandum, Best Defense Representatives Team ); [Vis-HK] (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\‘s Memorandum); [Nalsar-NFCG] (Winner, best memorandum); Oxford Media Law (Semi finalist, Best speaker); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Winner); Herbert Smith (Semifinalist);GIMC (Semifinalist); DM Harish (Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Runners up);Jessup South (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); KK Luthra (Semi finalist); Oxford-Media India Round (Runners up, Best speaker); Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Nani Palkhiwala (Best Speaker), Rizvi Moot (Winners) |
| 4 | NLU Delhi | 162 | NLS Arbitration (Best Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Octa-finalist, Overall Best Applicant Award, 9th Best Speaker, 17th Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Best speaker); Herbert Smith (Runners up, Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Runners up); DM Harish (Semifinalist);KLA Moot (Semifinalist);Jessup North (Winner, Best Speaker); KK Luthra (Runners up); HNLU Moot (Winner, Best Speaker, Best Researcher) Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Semi finalist) Henry Dunant (Runners up) |
| 5 | ILS Pune | 94 | Jessup International Rounds (30th Best Speaker, 56th Best Speaker); Amity (Best Speaker); Raisoni (Runners up); Surana IT (Semi finalist); Surana Corp (Best Memorandum, Semifinalist); Jessup South (Winners, Best Memorandum);Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Surana Trial Advocacy South (Winners) |
| 6 | NLU Jodhpur | 86.5 | ELSA-WTO Asia Rounds (Best Memorandum Overall, Best Memorandum Complainant); Amity (Runners up, Best Researcher); Herbert Smith (Best Memo, Semifinalist);Fiat Justitia (Super six); Surana IT (Runners up); Surana Corp (Winners); GIMC (Semifinalist);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist, Best memorandum); NLIU-Juris Corp (Runners up); Maritime International Arbitration Moot, Sydney (The Sarah Derrington Encouragement Award)* |
| 7 | HNLU Raipur | 84 | Nalsar-NFCG (Runners-up, best speaker); Red Cross Moot (Runners up); ULC Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Best Female Speaker);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist); NLIU-Juris Corp (Winner); Henry Dunant (Winners) |
| 8 | NLIU Bhopal | 83 | Nalsar-NFCG (Semi-finalist); NLS Arbitration (Runners-up); Herbert Smith (Winners);ULC Moot (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Stetson North (Semi finalist); HNLU Moot {Semi-finalist) Nani Palkhiwala (Best Researcher), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Winners, Best Speaker), Henry Dunant (Semifinalist, Best Memo), Rizvi Moot (semi-finalist) |
| 9 | GNLU Gandhinagar | 80 | Nalsar-NFCG (Semi-finalist); NLS Arbitration (Semi-finalist, best speaker); Pro bono Moot (Semi finalist); Raisoni (Semi finalists, Best Memo); DM Harish (Winners); BCI Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Male Speaker);ICC Mediation (Special Award for the Team Which Best Acknowledged Cultural Differences);Commonwealth India Rounds (Semi finalists); John Marshall (Winner, Ambassador Round), Nani Palkhiwala (Semifinalist), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Semifinalist) |
| 10 | RGNUL Patiala | 77.5 | Pro bono Moot (Best Researcher); SP Sathe (Runners-up); NLU-D Corp Law (Winners, best memorandum (joint), best researcher); Surana IT (Semi finalist); DM Harish (Runners up);KK Luthra (Best speaker); Stetson North (Semi finalist, best speaker); NLIU-Juris Corp (Semi finalist); Surana Trial Advocacy North (Runners up), Rizvi Moot (best speaker) |
Legend: T1, T2, T3, T4 and T5 (total points won in each tier); Pos (Position); W (Wins); R/u (Runner-ups); S/F- Semifinalist; B S (Best speaker); B M/R (Best Memorial/Researcher); HM (Honorable Mention & other equivalent awards); Pts (Points) For more information please refer to the [[MPL 2 rulebook]].
Comments
Just like it is double-counting to give NLU-D points for their speaker ranks as well as best applicant side.
Neither should be awarded.
And why is there a honourable mention for teams? New point systems being included after certain teams lose at an earlier stage stinks of bias. I don't want to open another discussion regarding NLS v. NALSAR or NLU-J but this is exactly what it looks like. Maybe points for anything below octafinal should be given from next year.
Why was this not decided for so long?
Agree with #1. have a look at the comment ...
It is double-counting to give points to NALSAR for second-best applicant memo as well as for 10th best overall memo.
Just like it is double-counting to give NLU-D points for their speaker ranks as well as best applicant side.
Neither should be awarded.
And why is there a honourable mention for teams? New point systems being included after certain teams lose at an earlier stage stinks of bias. I don't want to open another discussion regarding NLS v. NALSAR or NLU-J but this is exactly what it looks like. Maybe points for anything below octafinal should be given from next year.
Why was this not decided for so long?
However our real interest is not in all these moots. We will organise a military law moot where the best of my paratroopers and special ops units shall show off their skills.
"Nalsar mein hum hai aur bhagwan hai. Yeh mein nahin. Aisa yeh log kehte hain. lekin mein toh kehta hun Nalsar kyun, pureh law school circuit mein hum hain aur hum hain."
Bahut bol liye ho tum.. this is against the university rules.
I will expel you all.
There is only one NOW LOOK HERE.. aur wo main hun.
My boys you have just finished with your end sems, ghar jao and wait for the letter !!!
Letter aha !
moral degradation...
what would general patton say ???
And when you come back i shall talk about the middle east crisis...
1.Have you won any moot?
2.What is your position in your batch?
3.What is your GPA?
4.How do you perform in debating ?
5.Have you done anything which made NALSAR proud ?
6.Would it help in your professional life ?
7.National tag would make you the best person in the legal field ?
8.What if a Symbi or ILS Graduate is your boss? Would NALSAR tag help you? Can you tell him that you are from NALSAR so you would not follow the orders ?
9.Would NALSAR make you a High Court or Supreme Court Judge ? We have to change our constitutional provisions then.
10. Would NALSAR help you in getting clients without working at all?
Answer these questions not to me, but to yourself. Take this advice, because you will realize this after 10 years when you would be working in a law firm or any PSU.
What you make out of yourself is more important than what college makes of you. There might be a possibility that you might be working under a person graduated from Symbi and taking his orders. You National Tag would not help you there. Whether it is NLS Student, or NALSAR Student or NUJS Student or any other, these are some important things.
Live in Reality, not just in mockery. Take these words, because it would help you.
I have been with a couple of Fortune 500 companies (legal departments) in India and presently working with one. The amount of respect a National Law School (I am talking of top 3) grad get in the corporates is unparalleled, though I cannot say the same with law firms.
It is the same difference between an IAS officer and an employee of the Group II cadre.
(Disclaimer: My intention is not to open a can of worms but the young aspirants need to understand the difference between the actual Law Schools and the "so called".
It is an important career choice, else they will end up in places like Gnlu, Cnlu, Hnlu, and every other Nlu preceded by an alphabet, but the degree never to be followed by a respectable job.)
And most importantly, facts speak for themselves. Respect is commanded not demanded right?.
I request the lawschoolites to rise above the rest and set a standard by not involving in my "my school strongest" slugfest, which is for and by the lesser mortals.
Look my dear! you are playing with fire!
Wow, what a loser, hard work doesnt and luck does? No wonder you are where you are. It is hard work with a BIT of luck!
And Mr/Miss, remember that pay packages are different for the top 3 and for the not so lucky ones, so brand matters. There is a difference between a Merc and an Alto, aint there? ;-)
Sanjay
I just have a one questions, do know go around saying that see "I am from NLS", see "I am from NALSAR, see "I am from NUJS" or it is the work that counts.
And arrogance doesnt help anywhere and even many people my law skul do have such thing, but it doesnt help.
Anyway I accept law school tags ends where your capabilities start. But what's the harm in a good old joke and a little establishment-bashing!
also, no one is saying you can't land a 7-figure package or win a jessup from a non-national law school, it is just that a nalsar or an nls makes it easier for you; the infrastructure, the peer group, the exp of seniors. of course you have incredible success stories at non-nationals and you have abysmal failures at nationals. it is just the platform that ought to be given the respect that it deserves.
and honestly, @33, lets not even go to numbers. it is petty and we at nalsar don't do petty.
@37 - rightly said! There are achievers and those who do not make it big, in every college. If the "Law Schools" have made their name its because of those achievers. And no point explaining things to morons. A dog's tail NEVER straightens, how ever hard you try!
If know they have been great on MPL this season, but if they sent a team to Leiden-Sarin and not to Vienna or Hong Kong, they sure need to get their priorities right!
He is in Delhi now. I am in Hyderabad. My tanks are lighter than his so I can defeat him any day. Also I have air support.
Beat that!
During his regime he used to "Nulsirrrr is the Harvarrrrrd of the East" but I say "Harvaaaard is the Nulsirrrrrrr of the West."
I am THE MAN, SUPERMAN.
Now look here, Commander, the fact that NLS is the Harvard of the East is established, and is something that neither your tanks, nor your heavy or light artillery, and not even your baap can change.
And you will see soon NUJS will proclaim itself to be the Yale of the East. That your baap cannot change!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
My tanks are already on the prowl. You do not know me. I can recite minute to minute details of every war that India has fought so far! Huh!
Also I tell all my soldiers. And stop this debate otherwise one day I shall paratroop down on your law school as well and lecture you on the Middle East Crisis or the Legal Issues of the Kashmir Debate wherein I shall explain how Sherman tanks are heavier than Patton tanks and so and so forth.
I have another idea! Let all the top 3 law schools unite and form the Ivy League of Indian law schools. This is called strategic alliance. I shall tell you all more about it when you see me coming on my Airavath.
Till then let's end the debate. As I tell all my soldiers at Hyderabad, "Debate kar ke kya ukhad loge?"
Things like
Even our blood flows, again this is triumph of Islam. God Bless and We will be your angel of death till you revere us are written
You're a loser, man. Big time. I got here (with prep, obviously), but you'd categorize me the way you did since I did not attend LST or any other coaching (10-15, sire. I am amused. Please. Please bataaiye naa). And I am doing well here, thank you very much.
its hacked and real fun !!!
God bless the turks !!!
This one is working!
If i am not wrong, NALSAR will extend its lead at the top and win the MPL.
It is really surprising how fast the NUJS moot wins are updated and how long it takes for the NALSAR successes to be published.
tch tch Kian, don't make it so obvious ....
it;s not only when NALSAR wins but also NALSAR is never given points in some or the other manner (Honorable mention)
LI is now making it obvious that they can favour any National Law school but not NALSAR ... May i know the reason from Kian regarding this..?
there ends thee matter :-/
Patience man.... patience
even NUJS, NLS n NLU-J are going to get marks for Vis Vienna
n wt r u talking bout, NLU-J is goin to get for two hon mens but they r nt crying like u...learn something from NLU
that basically means we get 10 more points than nujs, and it seals our mpl win.
Know your facts first. But then that is too much to expect of a noojie, otherwise you would have made it here...
Nliu bhopal is not even in the picture .. we being a new college are doing good in MPL.. see NLIU bhopal which is far below us .. we even gave NLS bangalore a good fight ..
this time NALSAR is doing well but next time we will be on top.. NUJS and other national law schools havent achieved for what they have been made for ..
NLU-D is doing really good without a doubt, but it seems modesty is not your strong point. macha!! don't say things which will lead you into a "Foot in the mouth situation".
Just perform dude, and keep your trap shut, automatically you will be revered. If you blow your own bloody trumpet the fall will be really hard.
What NALSAR, NLS and NUJS are today is not a culmination of one mooting season, but several. So chill, you still you have a long way to go.
Can't stand a little praise for somebody who I think did well?
Cannot tolerate a 'good job' for a college?
Awww..........
Sweety pie sorry.
Good Job NALSAR, NUJS and NLS too.
Someone wrote:
We are new, We are better. Deal with it.
Wait wavin flag.. Wait.. We will deal you in a way that you wont seek deal again
Apologies for the lack of update but Team MPL is feverishly trying to get an official confirmation of results and hon mentions.
Unfortunately our key Vienna contacts are on extended Easter holiday and it will take some time, we expect. If anyone has any good contacts who will be able to give full and final confirmation of all honourable mentions, etc earlier, please do let us know.
Thanks and best regards
Kian
Peace.
We are also planning further analysis and write-ups soon, please hang in there.
Best wishes,
Kian
The convener of Vienna may be taking a long holiday, but the results have been up on the website for a week now (I checked on May 2), and you say you don't have authoritative information? I really hope you reply to this comment, as I'd really like to know what you have to say.
Thanks,
S