‘Unethical’ leak allegations force NLU Delhi team to recuse from Oxford Price moot qualifier

NLU Delhi
NLU Delhi
Allegations of the home team having gained an unfair advantage over other teams surfaced just ahead of the start of the competition yesterday.

NLU Delhi: Investigating
NLU Delhi: Investigating
The team from NLU Delhi was asked to withdraw from the South Asia qualifying rounds of the Oxford Price Media Law moot, which started yesterday, after allegations of having gained an unfair advantage over other teams surfaced.

The South Asia rounds began yesterday (21 November) and will conclude on Sunday (24 November) at NLU Delhi. The home team was disqualified only hours before the start of the moot, according to a discussion on Legally India’s forum.

A member of the moot’s organising faculty sent an emailed statement to Legally India, which noted: “When certain information concerning the NLU Delhi team participating in the 2013 South Asia Rounds of the Price Media Law Moot Court Competition was brought to our attention, the University and the Price Administration of the South Asia Rounds acted immediately since we are committed to upholding the highest standards of transparency and accountability.

“It was found that the team had unauthorised access to materials from last year’s (2012) competition and that this was technically a violation of the rules of the Competition. Therefore, the NLU Delhi team is not a part of this year’s South Asia Rounds.”

An anonymous email sent to Moot Court Societies (MCC) of various participating law schools alleged that there could have been a leak of information in a previous year of the moot’s qualifying rounds, calling it “the most balatant [sic] murder of ethics and principles I have ever witnessed”.

It is understood that an internal inquiry regarding the allegations is currently ongoing and will likely conclude within a week. Faculty members declined to comment further pending the outcome of the inquiry.

The college had been the host for the last two South Asia qualifying rounds for the Mooting Premier League’s Tier 2 world class moot that is held annually in Oxford. NLU Delhi won the world rounds of the moot last year.

Comments

Erstwhile mooter 22 Nov 2013, 14:10
+5 -5
It seems that the anonymous email preceded the decision. After an email like that, what other option was available? It is disheartening when one hears how some institutions or their students engage in this kind of activity!! To be fair, NLUD may not have been involved, but some VCs and other powerful people are known to exert influence on moots. When I was in the Moot Committee of my university and was managing a moot, an influential person tried to influence the advanced rounds of that competition - albeit, without any success. But some people may succeed in their attempt to influence by offering favours and making threats. It largely depends on the integrity of the organizing committee, most of whom are students and law professors.

Attempting to influence may amount to a criminal act and the perpetrators should be prosecuted if the facts permit.
Mooter 22 Nov 2013, 18:34
+14 -0
I am confused with what you actually wanted to convey.
N.F.L. Sharma 22 Nov 2013, 15:11
+16 -5
I'm sure these suckers also ask Jessup judges to forward confidential material each year.
NothingButTheTruth 23 Nov 2013, 10:43
+5 -5
That right there, is jealousy NFL Sharma.
Just because your failure of a college is unable to perform well in moots, doesn't mean that other colleges similarly lack merit. There are other institutions doing better than you, students far better than yourself. Do yourself a favour and accept that.
John McLane 22 Nov 2013, 15:57
+29 -2
This news also arise question upon the previous editions of the moot. From past three years NLUD is hosting the moot and winning it. Is it coincident or luck or deservedness or RIGGING?
Shame 22 Nov 2013, 22:57
+9 -6
RECUSE??? That sounds a lot like what Tejpal is doing after raping! NLU Delhi's faculty in-charge needs to resign and own up. Shame Shame!
enough of this nonsense 4 Dec 2013, 19:09
+1 -0
ya Its like Prof. Ranveer singh made a call to Obama. And on the next moment Obama was on line with David Cameron. And Moments later the announcement was made that 'NLU Delhi is the winner of Oxford Price Media Moot'. We are the studs bitches.... :P
unknown 1 Jul 2014, 09:02
+0 -0
on the past 3 editions they have went on win the world rounds,so rigging the entire event does not arise.when can exert its influence at home but not at international rounds.
Noojie 22 Nov 2013, 16:01
+6 -23
NLUD admin and MCC should not be blamed for this at all. They have always tried to maintain highest standards, and it would be unfair to pin this on them. It is indeed a sad incident.
Student of the Year 22 Nov 2013, 16:30
+23 -4
[b]Thu Thu![/b]
Case in point 22 Nov 2013, 16:33
+8 -15
So as soon as they got a hint of any foulplay they withdrew their team. What else could you expect? They gave up the moot to maintain transparency and accountability.

What about countless allegations against NLS and it's close ties to ISRO when every year they organize the funding rounds of Manfred Lachs? Never heard NLS reacting to it and withdrawing it's participation.

So all the detractors are suggesting that NLUD's mooting success at Manfred Lachs (world rounds), FDI moot (world rounds), Stetson World rounds 2013 and many other moots was a result of rigging and unauthorized means?

Please note that all these allegations are based on "ANONYMOUS" emails and "RUMORS". The action was only taken to maintain highest standards of transparency so that the other teams had no doubts about the fairness of the moot.

And seriously, it is so naive of people to suggest that a team could win at the World Rounds through rigging, are you suggesting that Oxford, one of the best Universities in the world, rigged the moot in favour of NLUD at the world rounds last year? That is the stupidest thing.
Senior 23 Nov 2013, 02:08
+12 -5
[quote name="Case in point"]So as soon as they got a hint of any foulplay they withdrew their team. What else could you expect? They gave up the moot to maintain transparency and accountability.

What about countless allegations against NLS and it's close ties to ISRO when every year they organize the funding rounds of Manfred Lachs? Never heard NLS reacting to it and withdrawing it's participation.

So all the detractors are suggesting that NLUD's mooting success at Manfred Lachs (world rounds), FDI moot (world rounds), Stetson World rounds 2013 and many other moots was a result of rigging and unauthorized means?

Please note that all these allegations are based on "ANONYMOUS" emails and "RUMORS". The action was only taken to maintain highest standards of transparency so that the other teams had no doubts about the fairness of the moot.

And seriously, it is so naive of people to suggest that a team could win at the World Rounds through rigging, are you suggesting that Oxford, one of the best Universities in the world, rigged the moot in favour of NLUD at the world rounds last year? That is the stupidest thing.[/quote]

Please do not compare yourself to NLS. Or even NALSAR/NUJS, for that matter. Please do not! :)
NothingButTheTruth 23 Nov 2013, 10:46
+10 -12
You're absolutely right. NLU Delhi does not compete with NLSIU. They compete with world class universities like Harvard. As said by the VC of NLU Delhi.
Why, bolo, why? 24 Nov 2013, 03:29
+2 -2
[quote name="NothingButTheTruth"]You're absolutely right. NLU Delhi does not compete with NLSIU. They compete with world class universities like Harvard. As said by the VC of NLU Delhi.[/quote]


And VC of NLU J claims that its students are the best in India! Everyone, including these students, know that its BS.
Bummerchand 24 Nov 2013, 15:51
+1 -3
That might be true. However, no one can deny that the student crowd at NLU Delhi is at par with, if not better, than the CLAT triad - NLS, NALSAR, NUJS.
ChaiTown 26 Nov 2013, 09:17
+0 -0
I think you have the best username on this and all the other Indian legal websites. Have been snickering away at the thought of it ALL DAMN DAY!
Frustrated Law Student 23 Nov 2013, 04:06
+5 -2
If a team has unauthorized access through the south asia rounds of memorials of other teams, bench memos, etc. then that is rigging and will help the team in all the rounds of the moot. Oxford need not be helping.

The allegation hasn't been made through an anonymous email. that email is clearly just bringing to light the state of affairs at NLU-D

Wrt Man Lachs, merely the fact that NLS wins the funding rounds does not indicate anything (just as it shouldn't that NLU D wins rounds). NLS does not have access to either the memorials or the bench memo of the competition which Asia-Pacific organizers only get. Moreover, please substantiate your claim of access to "unauthorized" materials if you have any proof. If you don't have proof, don't go around dragging other colleges into this mess.
Rasputin 22 Nov 2013, 16:37
+6 -13
Kudos to LegallyIndia for high standards of journalism ethics. So a random forum post and an anonymous email sent to ids of different law schools is the entire basis of this article.

@Kian, please note that there is nothing which warrants the publication of such an article without any evidence. An anonymous email could well have been sent out by anyone, and to be fair to NLUD, they withdrew their team. We know you are a staunch campaigner for truth to come out but that day is not far where you'll be in a lock up as a result of criminal defamation. You really need to review content your journalists post without any basis whatsoever.
Douche 24 Nov 2013, 03:31
+10 -1
[quote name="Rasputin"]Kudos to LegallyIndia for high standards of journalism ethics. So a random forum post and an anonymous email sent to ids of different law schools is the entire basis of this article.

@Kian, please note that there is nothing which warrants the publication of such an article without any evidence. An anonymous email could well have been sent out by anyone, and to be fair to NLUD, they withdrew their team. We know you are a staunch campaigner for truth to come out but that day is not far where you'll be in a lock up as a result of criminal defamation. You really need to review content your journalists post without any basis whatsoever.[/quote]


You fool. Kian is just reporting what happened. You make it sound like he is passing judgment on the correctness of the decision taken.
Lawyer 25 Nov 2013, 13:47
+4 -1
What makes you think that this would make a case for Criminal Defamation? Where did you study your law from? Oh. Sorry. NLUD. Right?
STUDENT OF THE YEAR 26 Dec 2013, 10:19
+0 -0
Mr. Lawyer Sir, they might just put in CONTEMPT OF COURT TOO...
Sage-Mode 22 Nov 2013, 16:37
+17 -1
This are the inevitable consequences of a University trying too hard to substitute the ethos of education with unbridled competition. Accountability and transparency aside, perhaps we should rethink the stress laid on getting results.
STUDENT OF THE YEAR 26 Dec 2013, 10:19
+0 -1
U R A FAN OF NARUTO!!!!!!...so cool hey have u played NARUTO in PS3 ??
Guest 22 Nov 2013, 16:39
+9 -7
Dere is honour in accepting once mistake...Hats off.

If they wanted they could have not revealed this information and the competition could have gone on smoothly.

From NLU Delhi performances in all moots, there consistency has been amazing. Maybe a few students tried resorting to cheap tricks, but otherwise there speakers have given a good run for money to all good colleges.
Shuklaji 25 Nov 2013, 06:09
+4 -0
Hope you are not a mooter...
BadNLUD 22 Nov 2013, 16:52
+18 -5
Thu Thu Thu Thu. Did not expect this from NLUD.
Sage-Mode 22 Nov 2013, 16:56
+11 -1
Note the use of the passive voice - it was found that the team had unauthorised access - as if the team itself didn't do anything to gain this access and it was just one of those unfortunate things that happened to the poor team. But hey! it is only 'technically' a violation. So, cut them some slack.
NLUD 22 Nov 2013, 16:57
+7 -26
this is a conspiracy.Nls Bangalore and nalsar are behind this. they hate the fact that we are rising. god will pumish you mud slingers
Noojie 22 Nov 2013, 17:20
+31 -7
I completely agred. Judges at Oxford University are completely biased towards NLUD. NLUD has a million dollar moot fund. No wonder the NLUD team won the moot in World Rounds in Oxford last year, and went to semis the year before. I suspect ever the prelims judges were fixed to give NLUD speakers the 2nd and 3rd Best Speaker award. Those English judges just care about Indian VCs. Not to forget NLUD reaching finals of IPR moot at Oxford.God I wish out college owned Oxford moot judges. How else can they win it?

I suspect they control Chinese judges too. How else will NLUD win Henry Dunant World Rounds? That too a bunch of 2nd years? And come on no way he doesn't control American judges too. NLUD wins three Nationals of Jessup and breaks in Advanced round all those three? wins the Baxter award for best memo? Five instances of speaker citations? Can't do without global reach of NLUD "unethical" dominance. So wish my college would atleast qualify for world rounds.

And how can we forget the NLUD team that won Manfred Lachs Asia-Pacific Rounds. God the Japanese are gone too. Everyone has a price.

Its all a facade. When they come to NUJS they fix Herbert Smith Judges and do well, they go to NLS and win NLS Arb., by fixing NLS judges. No one is left. Down with NLUD.
John McLane 22 Nov 2013, 18:18
+4 -4
Noojie
Your frustration is understandable. But your allegations are baseless. If I am not wrong, people from first year at your college went to NLS Arbitration and won it. So does that mean that you rigged it? If I am not wrong, this year at Christ National Moot, your team won best memo and speaker, surprisingly the drafter of the problem was one of your prof. So, that sound fishy too. But, one can't blame you without proof. So go against this particular team but you don't have any right to question all the teams of NLUD.
Just saying. 22 Nov 2013, 19:00
+9 -1
I think the poster was trying to be sarcastic. Frustation? LOL!
vjfj 22 Nov 2013, 19:11
+1 -1
I think noojie is being sarcastic!! John bhai..itna seriously mat le yaar!
Wah 23 Nov 2013, 04:47
+9 -3
Okay so you have done well in moots. That doesnt take away from cheating in this one. How does having done well mean that it's now okay to cheat? I'm not alleging conspiracy in very moot the college has participated in/won, but this in itself is pretty bad. As a host college they had certain responsibilities that were completely ignored.

Also I'm from NALSAR, the Ranbir Singh times, and I know what the man is capable of, and what ethics mean to him.
Guest 26 Nov 2013, 08:56
+1 -0
What? What is RS capable of? Tell, tell!!
NothingButTheTruth 23 Nov 2013, 10:53
+6 -0
OH, So it's more rational to say that NLU Delhi rigs ALL the moots, than to accept that they have meritorious students. Yeah, right!
The list you've made of all the mooting achievements of NLU Delhi only speaks about the high quality of students there. That is much more likely, than anybody going to all this trouble and having these many contacts to rig every single moot they've done well in.
Your college doesn't qualify because you people are just not capable. All the bitter and frustrated people here should just accept that.
Perhaps if you spent more time on your academics, than stalking the performances of NLU Delhi, you would do better.
Jhootha 24 Nov 2013, 03:33
+1 -0
[quote name="Noojie"]I completely agred. Judges at Oxford University are completely biased towards NLUD. NLUD has a million dollar moot fund. No wonder the NLUD team won the moot in World Rounds in Oxford last year, and went to semis the year before. I suspect ever the prelims judges were fixed to give NLUD speakers the 2nd and 3rd Best Speaker award. Those English judges just care about Indian VCs. Not to forget NLUD reaching finals of IPR moot at Oxford.God I wish out college owned Oxford moot judges. How else can they win it?

I suspect they control Chinese judges too. How else will NLUD win Henry Dunant World Rounds? That too a bunch of 2nd years? And come on no way he doesn't control American judges too. NLUD wins three Nationals of Jessup and breaks in Advanced round all those three? wins the Baxter award for best memo? Five instances of speaker citations? Can't do without global reach of NLUD "unethical" dominance. So wish my college would atleast qualify for world rounds.

And how can we forget the NLUD team that won Manfred Lachs Asia-Pacific Rounds. God the Japanese are gone too. Everyone has a price.

Its all a facade. When they come to NUJS they fix Herbert Smith Judges and do well, they go to NLS and win NLS Arb., by fixing NLS judges. No one is left. Down with NLUD.[/quote]


Its so obvious that this has been someone written by an NLU D student pretending to be a NOOJIE. We at NUJS have real work man and have the upcoming exams to prepare for.
Bleg 24 Nov 2013, 14:53
+2 -1
Which you clearly aren't preparing for, Noojie with real work.
Shuklaji 25 Nov 2013, 06:10
+0 -0
Are you implying your VC works under cover? That would explain a lot..
Guest 22 Nov 2013, 18:32
+8 -4
Stellar record this college has of winning moots. I am sure one oxford wont let dem down. GO NLUD GO
Mooter 22 Nov 2013, 18:34
+11 -2
Oxford should stop letting them host this event. Or may be they will from next time!
Visitor 22 Nov 2013, 18:42
+3 -2
Am at NLUD campus for the moot, and have been staying there for last 2 days. From what I have comprehended from the situation, I must say that so much needless venom is being spread even without knowing the actual facts. The facts are far away from how things are being portrayed.
Dahn dahn dahnnn 25 Nov 2013, 07:58
+0 -0
How ominous.

Care to clarify the actual facts?
Guest 25 Nov 2013, 10:56
+1 -0
The team had unauthorised access to memorials from last years competition. Generally, given that every year the problem is different having access the memorials germane to the previous years problems should hardly yield any advantage to any team. In fact, most moot competitions even release memorials from past competitions for everyone to read, cite The Jessup, Vis (East and West) etc. In the case of NLU Delhi, the team is being penalised only because the college was the host of the competition the previous year and is therefore being held to a higher standard of morality to prevent its team from having any access to any material that is possessed by the organising committee and this stand has been taken by the current organising committee itself, which comprises students from NLU Delhi. A lot of people would say that this is an inordinately harsh punishment to the team, yet this step was taken to safeguard the reputation of the moot, without regard to the reputation of the college. This move has done nothing but allowed people to exaggerate claims and gossip. They arent cheaters. They just were not aware that they weren't supposed to have access to last years memorials. Its a sad situation.
A witty comment ? 22 Nov 2013, 19:00
+1 -0
Mr John Mclane

I think Noojie's comment was being sarcastic and highlighting the fact that NLUD's achievements are NOT result of the fixing or rigging as it would be almost impossible to influence judges at Jessup , Red Cross , Man lachs or Oxford.
NLS Grad 22 Nov 2013, 19:37
+10 -2
I am already working with a reputed firm, and have heard a bit about this incident. What I must say that in such cases, allegations are often hyped, specially on public portals. I don't have much idea about the case, but whatever the scenario is, I applaud NLUD for the credibility and transparency shown. I have heard that their OWN INTERNAL COMMITTEE came across it, and they OPTED to be out from the competition to maintain transparency even when the allegations are still unproved and a committee has been set up in that regard.

Kudos to NLUD for the transparency. And, yes, let us support them for the same. The college's past performance in moots is too superior to be bloated by an allegation which is still to be proved, and being overhyped.
NALSARite 23 Nov 2013, 04:28
+11 -3
What is it with Delhiites and leaking? There's one in our University notorious for leaking stuff as well. A little tired of this to be honest.
Regionalist much? 23 Nov 2013, 09:35
+3 -4
So are you implying all students at NLUD are from Delhi? How old are you again?
NALSARite 24 Nov 2013, 03:34
+0 -1
[quote name="Regionalist much?"]So are you implying all students at NLUD are from Delhi? How old are you again?[/quote]

How does my age matter here?
Facts 23 Nov 2013, 14:06
+12 -1
So here's the deal. The team had unauthorised access to memorials from last years competition. Generally, given that every year the problem is different having access the memorials germane to the previous years problems should hardly yield any advantage to any team. In fact, most moot competitions even release memorials from past competitions for everyone to read, cite The Jessup, Vis (East and West) etc. In the case of NLU Delhi, the team is being penalised only because the college was the host of the competition the previous year and is therefore being held to a higher standard of morality to prevent its team from having any access to any material that is possessed by the organising committee and this stand has been taken by the current organising committee itself, which comprises students from NLU Delhi. A lot of people would say that this is an inordinately harsh punishment to the team, yet this step was taken to safeguard the reputation of the moot, without regard to the reputation of the college. This move has done nothing but allowed people to exaggerate claims and gossip. They arent cheaters. They just were not aware that they weren't supposed to have access to last years memorials. Its a sad situation.
John McLane 23 Nov 2013, 16:48
+1 -1
Ignorance of law is no defence My Friend!!!
Facts 24 Nov 2013, 19:55
+1 -0
[quote name="John McLane"]Ignorance of law is no defence My Friend!!![/quote]

This wasn't ignorance of law. Not when you read in 'ethical violation' in the rules to mean possessing past years memorials without any precedent of such reading in.
Facts? Really? 24 Nov 2013, 08:13
+0 -0
I have always been under the impression that people reporting facts are not supposed to give moral judgments like 'They arent cheaters.'

Guess I was wrong.

Wait a sec. Am I?
mootman 23 Nov 2013, 17:49
+1 -1
Host teams as a matter of practice should not field competitive teams. Jessup hosts always compete in the other national round, and even otherwise its a very common practice in the national moot curcuit.

Here, if all matters regarding entry, registration and submissions of teams are in the hands of Oxford (as is generally the case for all the bigger internationals where the mother institution directly handles registration and memo submission) and NLUD only charged with conducting the 'rounds'then, NLUD are not to be blamed. if otherwise, then it is definitely unethical on NLUD's part.
sahil 23 Nov 2013, 19:39
+0 -0
Sources of info for this article are hearsay and anonymous emails and discussions on internet forums. Is this a gossip column ?
Hawa 24 Nov 2013, 03:35
+5 -1
[quote name="sahil"]Sources of info for this article are hearsay and anonymous emails and discussions on internet forums. Is this a gossip column ?[/quote]

Yes it is, you have an issue?
XYZ 24 Nov 2013, 06:01
+2 -8
If they are so good in moots which involves good research skills, why does ur college has such dissmal recruitment performance ?

It is just because you can rig moots but not recruitment. Other colleges which have done well in moots have superb recruitment track record.

Please see the last five years MPL ranking for NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLU (J). You will find they have done well in both moots and recruitment because these colleges actually work hard and the results are based on fair evaluation of their performance and not based on leaking confidential and private moot court material.

There is some sought of fairness that u have to keep when you are hosting such events. NUJS has been hosting herbert smith competetion. Has there been any complaint of being baised or leaking information? This is how a college should hold moot court competetion.

Any team which participates in this kind of competetion works like insane and if teams that host it have confidential information then it is highly unfair to other teams who have prepared and given about 3 months of there law school life in that competetion without knowing that one team won the competetion as they were aware of confidential material. Highly unfair and morally incorrect.

PS: know there will be numerous loyal law school fan who will object to what i have just said, but please think morally and decide if you were a receipent of such behaviour.
Bleh.. 24 Nov 2013, 17:38
+3 -1
As far as recruitment is concerned NLS, NALSAR, NUJS and NLU (J) are much older institutes as compared to NLU D. NLU D's first batch just passed out this year. And the second batch has done quite well till now. Lets be fair and not judge how well NLU D is doing in matters of recruitment. But if you still want to go into it, why now compare NLU D with institutes just as young.

And the fact that NLU D is doing so well in moots and is right at the top with the best institutes is because of the work culture and the hard work put in by the students. Its no different than any other college.

Last year's material are of no relevance to this year's moot. This year's team had nothing to gain out of it. The steps taken by the college only shows the high standards maintained by the college.
CA 25 Nov 2013, 12:36
+3 -3
Will the faculty in-charge and the organizer of this moot at NLU Delhi be a man and take accountability? Kian and Legally India - please do a story on how the same person continues to be in-charge!
anonymous 27 Nov 2013, 12:15
+2 -1
Has anyone of you who accuse NLUD of `unethical' behaviour and rigging moots, heard any of the NLUD teams argue ever! It is super tough to crack an intra-moot in NLUD because of tough competition.I have seen my friends who participate in moots ( esp. Jessup) slog entire nights for preparation of memos.The 1st ever moot we participated in, we did not even have a decent internet connection or sufficient library books owing to being setup a few months ago, still we reached the quarter finals(we could have paid from our `million dollar moot fund' and won that as well). And yaa..with regard to recruitments..can anyone give me the statistics of 1st batch recruitment figures at NLS, NALSAR etc. trust me ours is better! So grow up and stop believing everything you hear..too much mud slinging going on..and as far as `paying to win' goes..seems we were short of cash in the various moots we didn't win..
anonymous 27 Nov 2013, 12:17
+2 -0
What if she is a woman..is it okay then if she doesn't want to be a `man' and be accountable for whatever you want her to take accountability for
Ani the Bunny 29 Nov 2013, 11:37
+0 -0
after all they are the future lawyers, they have to beg borrow and steal to be one !!
Tip of the iceberg 1 Dec 2013, 19:09
+1 -2
Kian this disqualification (not recusal!) is just the tip of the iceberg. The real story is where this team got last years memos from!!! There is a faculty inquiry happening at nlud on cheating by previous oxford price teams.
@XYZ 2 Dec 2013, 05:26
+0 -0
Dude! Are you kidding me! People in NLU Dwarka work harder.