NLU Jodhpur, Christ Bangalore draw in IICLAM moot finals; +MPL 3.03 & new organiser points

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The adjudication of the final round of the IICLAM Moot between NLU Jodhpur and Christ Law College Bangalore ended in a tie after judges could not decide on a single deserving winner.

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The adjudication of the final round of the [[International Infrastructure and Construction Law Arbitration Moot (IICLAM)|IICLAM Moot]] between [[NLU Jodhpur]] and [[Christ Law College Bangalore|School of Law, Christ University, Bangalore]] ended in a tie after judges could not decide on a single deserving winner.

NLU Jodhpur speaker Prianka Mohan said that the final round result was surprising. “We honestly didn’t expect a tie. It was a well-balanced out finals. We thought that the other side had done a little better. Ironically, we had also faced them in the first round of the moot.”

However, NLU Jodhpur was later declared the ultimate victor after moot organisers used the memorandum scores as a tie-breaker. This lets NLU J start its MPL season with a bang earning 15 points from this tier 4 National Challenger moot.

Christ University also put up an equally impressive show earning a total of 16 points as it finished as runner-up in the moot and its speaker Kishore Kumar took home the best speaker award.

[[GLC Mumbai]] continued its good start to this season’s MPL, bagging 8 points for the best memorandum award.

[[Symbiosis Law School, Pune]] and [[KLE Bangalore]] finished as semi-finalists in the moot.

The problem was based on arbitration and infrastructure law and was hosted by [[NLU Delhi]] and organised by Kaden Boriss, National University of Singapore and Singapore International Arbitration Centre.

The NLU Jodhpur team consisted of speakers Prianka Mohan and Shreya Munoth along with researcher Alokita Basu.

Mohan told Legally India that she appreciated the quality of judging. “It was a very well organised Indian arbitration moot. The judges in the final round were very impressive and were well informed about the intricacies of the problem.

“They were not just people who were big names in every field, but they were experts in particular areas of law which the problem dealt with. One of the judges in semi-final round was extremely knowledgeable in Investment law.”

NLU Delhi moot court committee convenor Devna Arora said that the competition was very exciting and competitive. “Around 19 teams participated in the initial memorandum elimination round, out of which 16 teams were selected to participate in the oral rounds. The judges for the final rounds included Prof Jean Ho from NUS, Justice Sikri and senior advocate AK Ganguli.” [correction: the earlier version of this article erroneously referenced Justice Ganguly]

The Tier 5 international Maritime Moot which took place in early July this year is being considered with retrospectively, which makes it the first moot of Season 3 of the MPL. NLSIU Bangalore picked up the best overall memorandum and honourable mention for best respondent memo, giving it 12 points in the MPL 3.

[[MPL 3 Season Standings]]

PosLaw schoolPtsDetails
1Campus Law Centre Delhi23Raj Anand Moot (gold, best speaker);
2GLC Mumbai16[IICLAM] (best memo); Raj Anand Moot (silver);
2School of Law, Christ University, Bangalore16[IICLAM] (silver, best speaker);
4NLU Jodhpur15[IICLAM] (gold);
5NLIU Bhopal12Raj Anand Moot (semis, best memo);
5NLSIU Bangalore12[Maritime Arbitration Moot] (best overall memo, hon mention for best resp. memo)*; Raj Anand Moot (semis);
7Symbiosis Law School, Pune4[IICLAM] (semis);
7KLE Bangalore4[IICLAM] (semis);

*The Maritime Moot which took place in early July this year is being considered with retrospectively, which makes it the first moot of Season 3 of the MPL.

Further proposed changes

Changelog version 3.03 of the [[Mooting Premier League 2011-12 moot court competitions|MPL 3 competitions]]:

Frozen: The Oxford Media International moot rounds are now confirmed as a Tier 2 World Class moot. However, as a compromise, Oxford Media National qualifiers will remain in the National Challenger Tier 4 because it is still very new and similar to other moots in that tier such as NLS Arbitration, NUJS Herbert Smith, GIMC and KK Luthra.

The NLIU Juriscorp moot has been promoted to Tier 4 National Challengers, due to its popularity, quality in participation and judging.

Team MPL has also all but decided to promote DM Harish to World Class Tier 2 status because of its popularity as India’s best international moot and other factors such as excellent judging, quality participation, age and consistency.

BCI and qualifiers: There were suggestions to incorporate a separate lower tier for the North/South regional qualifying rounds for Jessup and Stetson, which were in the same tier as the BCI moot. Though there are good arguments that BCI has wider participation without a North/South split as the other Tier 3 qualifier moots, we also noted that most law schools send their best teams for Jessup/Stetson qualifiers and demoting those moots would not be wise.

There were also comments suggesting that if DMH were promoted, then other moots such as the BCI ought to be promoted. Though BCI is definitely India’s most popular national moot it didn’t see any international participation last year though the organisers intended an international presence and it therefore does not (yet) belong in the World Class tier. Also, judging quality at the BCI has been a little inconsistent recently.

Revolutionary new MPL points for organisers: We are also strongly mulling the idea of awarding points to law schools that organise moots. Such law schools are disadvantaged because that they lose the opportunity to score points in the moots which they host, thereby allowing other law schools to gain points. There are many moots which are hosted/organised by law schools, such as GLC Mumbai’s DM Harish and Nani Palkhiwala, Amity’s moot, GNLU’s GIMC, NLU Delhi’s IICLAM, NLSIU’s NLS Arbitration moot, the NUJS Herbert Smith, NLIU Bhopal Juriscorp, the HNLU Moot and many others where the hosting college misses out on winning MPL points.

We would therefore propose to automatically award MPL points to organising colleges equal to half the points awarded to semi-finalist teams in that moot, with figures rounded down. E.g.: a college organising a tier 5 moot would get 1 point; tier 4 organisers would get 2 points; tier 3 organising colleges (none at present) would also get 2; and tier 2 organisers would get 7 MPL points (only GLC Mumbai for DM Harish at present).

This recognises the contribution each moot makes to Indian mooting but first and foremost it redresses the effective penalty on colleges that organise top tier moots.

Team MPL welcomes your suggestions in the Moot discussion Legallypedia page and in the comments.

Comments

um 6 Sept 2011, 01:07
+5 -0
firstly:

'judging quality at the BCI has been a little inconsistent recently.'

in that case, any moot that surana organises should be the first booted out of whatever tier it may be in.

secondly: the idea of giving a college points for hosting is ridiculous. it is fully possible to win the MPL without participating in any one moot that the college may be hosting, if at all. the MPL is meant to award actual speaker/researcher effort.

thirdly: shreya munOth not munAth, thank you. (and i am not her)
Anon 6 Sept 2011, 04:59
+0 -0
Has NUJS stopped participating in moots? two MPL moots over and no sign of NUJS (i know for a fact that they didn't participate).
Anon 6 Sept 2011, 06:20
+0 -0
NUJS is still having its Intras rounds on. It will take some time for the university team to be formed
Anon 6 Sept 2011, 09:05
+0 -0
What about last year's team? Don't tell me NUJS never participated in these moots before (Raj Anand and IICLAM). I think the mooting culture suddenly died there.
Anon 6 Sept 2011, 10:01
+1 -0
Well, that we will see once MPL 3 is over :)
Participant at Raj Anand. 6 Sept 2011, 09:11
+1 -0
Hey
NUJS did in fact participate at the Anand and Anand moot. They didn't break to semis though.
haha!! 6 Sept 2011, 05:46
+4 -0
Haha! None of the NLUs in the top 3 so far!!
dad 9 Sept 2011, 17:14
+0 -0
oye kiddoo.....shut up and leave the ground,,,......NLUs??? NLUs have won international championships, to start with, Jessup, Stetson,Vis Vienna, Vis Hongkong,Manfred Lachs; and almost all the domestic cups....the match is on and i suggest you not to make it an NLUs v. Non-NLUs match...you will regret...
lol at 3 6 Sept 2011, 06:27
+12 -0
Munaf Patel does not become a better batsman than Tendulkar if Tendulkar scores a duck and Patel scores one run.
Non-NLU Associate in a BigLaw 6 Sept 2011, 06:49
+2 -0
from the above ranking, one thing to be noted that the dominance of nlus no more exists ... non-nlus keep it up, those days are not far when big laws will visit your campuses as well !!
X 6 Sept 2011, 08:43
+6 -0
The title of your article is NLU Jodhpur and Christ draw in IICLAM finals but NLU Jodhpur kind of won.
Think you might want to change that!
Dominance 13 Sept 2011, 05:17
+0 -0
Exactly!!!
Anonymous 6 Sept 2011, 09:08
+0 -0
DM Harish has really poor quality judging. I have heard too many stories of the kinds of things speakers say in advanced rounds and get away with.
@big law 6 Sept 2011, 09:32
+0 -0
Dude go study for the upcoming mid-semester exams. Second year in law school is tough on feeble minds.
Judging 6 Sept 2011, 09:33
+0 -0
EVERY moot has a few rounds of poor quality judging. Tht doesn't mean we write them off. Even IICLAM had horrible unreasonable judges. that doesn't mean its a bad moot.
iiclam 6 Sept 2011, 09:36
+0 -0
teams that faced tough competitors in the prelims got marked high overall since iiclam doesn't depend on win-loss in prelims but totla score
it is evident as the nluj team said that they faced eachother in the first round also. GOOD teams that faced weak teams in the prelims did not make it to the next round DESPITE WINNING the prelim rounds.
law blogger 6 Sept 2011, 10:59
+0 -0
i think its a brillant idea 2 give organising points."good organising" takes a lot of effort and most of the colleges organising , do not believe in participating themselves in the event.
MPL will b mre exicting if dat is dne.
mark 6 Sept 2011, 12:41
+0 -0
do include the moot of chandigarh judicial academy...
anonymous guest 6 Sept 2011, 12:49
+0 -0
I can't understand why BCI is not elevated when DMH does....BCI has been conducted for past 26 years (just half old is DMH)....Tier 2 says WORLD CLASS; the most prestigious moot i.e. BCI has got international and it is organized as world class, then why not should be elevated when DMH which surely is not as prestigious as BCI has been elevated to Tier 2.
Sadhvi 6 Sept 2011, 13:30
+2 -0
I would like to point out that NLU Jodhpur won IICLAM and the title of your post is completely misleading and suggests otherwise. It is expected that a blog of your repute gets their facts right instead of indulging in attention grabbing antics.
anon 6 Sept 2011, 16:31
+0 -0
DM Harish judging quality is abysmal....also please get your facts right - GLC does participate in DM Harish (wierd!)
Observer 7 Sept 2011, 07:29
+0 -0
I'm sorry if you don't have a clue what International Law is all about. I guess its just not for everyone :)

The judging quality at DMH is overall pretty good. I wouldn't think that any moot could boast of having great judges on ever bench and every round.

"Abysmal", however, would be the word I would use to describe your spelling prowess.
anonymous guest 6 Sept 2011, 17:04
+3 -0
What a joke!!!! BCI in Tier 3 and DMH in Tier 2????
@ Sadvi 6 Sept 2011, 17:50
+2 -0
NLU-J did win,but that was the decision of the Organizers and not the judges. The finals was a tie and it had to go onto the Memorial Scores which usually never happens as the Finals is a knock out round!

People are missing the point here! Neither are we concerned with the NLU tag nor do we want to discount it! I have one very simple thing to say and that is "Well Done Christ Law"
BCIT 6 Sept 2011, 19:01
+0 -0
BCIT is prestigious, but 'World Class' implies international participation, which BCIT doesn't have. And everyone knows what's happened to the judging quality there in the past couple of years. The traditional BCI challenge of 4 problems in 25 days is now gone. They have only 1 now, and that too IL (not saying it's a bad thing). BCIT isn't what it was a few years back..
Jean Ho 6 Sept 2011, 21:27
+0 -0
IICLAM Finals did not have Justice Ganguly
BLC 7 Sept 2011, 09:07
+1 -0
The guy's called 'Kishore Kumar'. Had to be best speaker. Sahi performance, bro!
Wager 7 Sept 2011, 14:37
+0 -0
The odds--
NLS 3/1
Nalsar 4/2
NUJS 5/1
NLS D 6/1

Other 20/1
hmm 7 Sept 2011, 15:54
+1 -0
Another Stupid.
IICLAM 7 Sept 2011, 16:06
+0 -0
The finals did not had Justice Ganguly, it was Senior Advocate Mr. A.K. Ganguly.
bci 7 Sept 2011, 19:33
+0 -0
BCI this year gave an international law problem to be dealt with in 20 days flat. It is one of the most difficult competitions in india not because one had to solve 4 problems in 25 days but because of the sheer level of participation quality. EVERY REPUTEd college sends its BEST TEAMS for BCI. THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT BIG!
Judges are unreasonable in one or two rounds in every moot. DMH is NO WHERE CLOSE TO BCI
MPL Live 8 Sept 2011, 12:21
+0 -0
@ 19 and 22,

Thanks for the comments. The unintentional error has now been rectified.

Cheers,
Prashanth
anonymous guest 8 Sept 2011, 13:39
+0 -0
Its really a serious fault on the part of MPL team that they have put DMH at higher pedestal than BCI which actually is not so.
This seems to give an impression that DMH is better than BCI which is the most prestigious moot of India.
But reality is actually different and MPL team should rectify it.
BCIT should also be elevated; as it deserves so for undisputedly being the most prestigious moot of India.
NALSARite 8 Sept 2011, 16:36
+0 -0
BCI was the name. 30 days for Arbitration and CISG problem cannot be compared to previous competition. Regarding participation, last year it fell down from 50-60 teams to less than 28 teams. Judging quality is not good as it was used to be.
Wager 8 Sept 2011, 17:13
+1 -0
@26 thats the only reason you or NLS win ;)!
anonymous guest 9 Sept 2011, 06:53
+0 -0
Whatever you allege, BCI is BcI at the end of the day!! Right!!!!
BCI is BCI..so? 9 Sept 2011, 07:35
+0 -0
BCI is BCI..poo is poo..earth is earth..so? whats your point?
anonymous guest 9 Sept 2011, 08:42
+0 -0
My point is one time fault on behalf of BCI should not be so extrapolated to question its prestige and keeping DMH above than BCI which can never be so....
NLIU Opinion 9 Sept 2011, 17:08
+0 -0
Points for organizers is a good idea.. except of course in the rare instance when the host takes part.. e.g.GLC-Bombay
International Maritime Arbitra 9 Sept 2011, 17:38
+0 -0
Hi Kian,

I don't know if your policy provides for points for reaching semi-finals at Maritime International Arbitration or not, but if it does provide for points/any recognition for reaching semis at the moot, please update it accordingly.(NLS Bangalore reached semis in the event)

Also, tell me what is your procedure to recognize a moot with retrospective effect? On what grounds did you recognize Maritime with retrospective effect?

Thanks.
MPL Live 11 Sept 2011, 10:58
+0 -0
Hi,

Thanks for the queries.

The Maritime arbitration moot is a Tier 5 international moot and the MPL does award points for semifinalists. You can check the scoring criteria here [url]http://www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2011-12_moot_court_competitions#Scoring_criteria[/url]

Yes, the results that were put up on the moot website did not disclose the semifinalists. We just contacted the NLS Moot Court Society convener who confirmed that the team from NLS finished semifinalists in the moot. Three more points will be awarded to NLS.

There is no clear cut procedure to recognize moots with retrospective effect. The reason why we considered Int'l Maritime Arbitration moot retrospectively is because the event occurs in early July/late June, after all the moots in the season end. We had considered the moot retrospectively during the last season too. The MPL season usually begins in August/Sept and goes on up till Apr/May. There are no other moots in June and July. Hence, instead of prematurely starting the new mooting season in July or by unnecessarily extending the previous season up till July, we usually consider the moot in the new season retrospectively.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Prashanth
BCIT 10 Sept 2011, 16:53
+0 -0
I sincerely feel that MPL3 has done blunder by not elevating BCI and elevating DMH. Remember, BCI has been organized for last 27 years and DMH is just 13th.
Anything about BCI need not be said; everyone knoows its prestige!!!
Anonymous 12 Sept 2011, 10:06
+0 -0
There should be less difference between points for winners and runners-up in any Tier moot.
NUJS 15 Sept 2011, 13:48
+0 -0
@ Kian/ Prashant

By keeping the Oxford-India Moot in the tier four it basically means that the moot is similar to
Amity Moot Court Competition
IICLAM Moot
KLA Moot, Kerala
Nani Palkhiwala Tax Moot, GLC
NLIU Juris Corp Moot Court Competition
Raj Anand Moot Court Competition
Surana Corporate Moot
Surana International Technology Moot

Honestly I can't understand any logic in this. Even if the moot is new is that any criterion for not promoting it inspite of it having one of the best judging and organising.
If Juris Corp can be promoted after one edition why not Oxford.
The best and most fair thing would be to promote Oxofrd-India rounds and NUJS-Herbert smith to tier 3, considering that they are the 2 moots with the best quality of judging (which you dont often find in Indian Moots), organising and transperancy.
Please look inot the matter
Hola 24 Sept 2011, 22:26
+0 -0
Where are the comments to the IICLAM, 2011 article?
mooting fever 9 Nov 2011, 19:33
+0 -0
http://www.law.murdoch.edu.au/maritimemoot/IMLAM_2011_final_results.html

please refer the above link! the current standings state (silver) for nls in maritime moot.. however university of southampton reached finals and not nls bangalore..
kindly take note!!
MPL Live 10 Nov 2011, 05:07
+1 -0
Hi,

Thanks for pointing out.

The standings erroneously mentioned 'silver' instead of 'semis'. Sincere apologies for the inadvertent error.

The points awarded to the NLS team for their performance in the moot remain unchanged. The points are as follows:

1- Semis - 3 points
2- Best overall memo- 5 points
3- Honorable mention for best respondent memo - 3 points.
Total - 11 points

Initially, we had awarded only 8 points to them as the moot website did not mention the names of the semifinalists. But, pursuant to Comment 31 and confirmation from the NLS Moot Court Society, we awarded 3 more points to NLS for finishing semifinalists.

Hope this clears the confusion!

Thanks!

Cheers,
Prashanth
mooting fever 10 Nov 2011, 13:55
+0 -0
thank you prashanth! :)