NUJS wins Vis Vienna virtual moot against 247 other teams • NLS, NLIU made last 16 [LIVE: UPDATE-4]

This year Vis requested imagination and relaxation in their virtual competition and awards ceremony
This year Vis requested imagination and relaxation in their virtual competition and awards ceremony

9 April 19:54: NUJS Kolkata has won the 27th Willem C Vis International Commercial Arbitration Moot, which is one of the largest and most prestigious mooting competitions in the world.

This year, it was held entirely virtually (see further below for details).

The video from the final, if you didn’t watch it live, will be uploaded by Vis to YouTube shortly.

Update: The team consisted of speakers Ashika Jain (2023 batch) and Kaira Pinheiro (2023), and researchers Anand Krishnan (2023), Sahaj Mathur (2024), Shivani Choudhary (2023), Mehak Kumar (2023), Rajat Pareek (2023), and Kashish Satra (2024).

The team walso won the Eric E Bergsten Award for best team orals.

9 April, 15:40: NUJS Kolkata is through to the grand finals, where it will face University of Freiburg later today, having bested University of Hamburg in the semi-finals (see below for more on the semis, and timings of the final, which will be broadcast live by Vis).

If you are watching the stream live from around 430pm, please feel free share your thoughts in the comments.

NUJS in Vis semis
NUJS in Vis semis

9 April, 13:45: The teams through to the finals will be announced at 1130am Vienna time (3pm India time). The finals will be livestreamed on Facebook from 1pm Vienna time (430pm India).

Winners of the memorandum competition will be announced at 330pm, Vienna time.

Update 9 April 11:47: NUJS Kolkata is through to the semi finals, according to a notification on the Vis website.

The national law school - the only remaining one in the knock-out rounds of the last four teams - will be facing the University of Hamburg.

Virtual Vis Vienna sees NUJS
Virtual Vis Vienna sees NUJS

NUJS Kolkata is through to the last eight in the 27th Willem C Vis International Commercial Arbitration Moot, being held entirely virtually right now.

NUJS will be facing off against the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

NUJS had won against McGill University in the previous round of the last 16 teams, that was held around 530pm today, 8 April, Vienna time.

Those octa-finals had also seen NLSIU Bangalore and NLIU Bhopal, facing MGIMO University and New York University (NYU) respectively.

The Indian qualification pre-moot - one of had happened from 29 February to 1 March 2020 organised by OP Jindal Global University, India.

Virtual Vis

On 7 March, the Vis had cancelled the oral hearings in Vienna due to the global crisis caused by Covid-19.

In a statement at the time, the directors Prof Dr Christopher Kee, Prof Dr Stefan Kröll and Mag. Patrizia Netal, noted:

The Willem C Vis International Commercial Arbitration Moot is one of the world’s largest experiential learning experiences for law students. Now in its 27th year, more than 2,400 law students, over 1,000 coaches, and an equal number of arbitrators from all over the world were set to come together in Vienna in the first week of April 2020. While we would normally say one of the Moot’s greatest strengths is that it is an event which brings together thousands of people from all over the world - that is unfortunately today as we must recognize, one of its greatest risks.

Having regard to the health and safety of all those who participate in the Vis Moot, we have found it necessary to cancel the Moot week and oral hearings that were to be held between 3-9 April 2020. Due to the recent developments concerning Covid-19 it would be irresponsible to gather thousands of people coming from so many different countries and run the risk to further spread Covid-19 into the world.

We are very conscious of the months of work that teams and their supporters have invested in preparing for this year’s competition and it is with considerable regret that we are unable to provide the students with the important learning experience of oral hearings held in person. As this is not possible we are investigating an online alternative and will be communicating directly with our Vis Moot community about that possibility.

We recognise also the impact a decision of this kind has on our sponsors. We remain indebted for their support, and particularly this year to the highly appreciated cooperation with the London Court of International Arbitration (LCIA) whose arbitral rules we are using.

We extend our care and concern for all those impacted by the Covid-19 Virus and wish speedy recovery.

Then, on 28 March 2020, the moot announced that it would be going ahead entirely online with 248 participating teams.

The 2019 competition, actually held in Vienna, had seen 379 teams participate, following more than 20 pre-moots, so presumably a few had dropped out due to Covid-19 or other issues.

The logistical issues in getting this offline show on the virtual road so quickly must have been major, including signing up to an online dispute resolution platform, as well as issues such as dealing with a huge variety of timezones, for instance:

The moot will continue to run on Vienna time and in the usual Vienna timeslots. As teams and arbitrators are located all over the world, this means that for some moots will be at very odd times. We are grateful to those who responded and indicated their willingness to participate notwithstanding these odd times. Teams and Arbitrators will need to ensure they correctly adjust the published Vienna time for their own local timezones. PLEASE NOTE whilst Vienna will have gone onto daylight savings the weekend before the moot, there are countries which will be implementing time changes during the period of the Moot.

The one exception to the same timeslot approach is that all hearings in the Round of 64 will now be able to run concurrently - and so it will not be necessary to use an 8pm Tuesday time slot.

The transition to online seems to have gone smoothly for Vis, by all accounts so far.

Comments

NLU Alum 8 Apr 2020, 17:23
+5 -3
Well done to the students concerned! For once, please keep the comment thread clean and let's hope that these people advance further and make the country proud. All the 3 NLU teams have done very well, especially given the surrounding circumstances.
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 18:01
+16 -2
Time to bring back MPL and recruitment rankings and puncture the hollow PR of certain NLUs.
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 18:06
+2 -28
Jessup = Gold, Vienna = Silver, Stetson/Frankfurt/Oxford Price/IP etc = Bronze. Like the Olympics, the number of gold medals ultimately matters.
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 18:11
+13 -3
NLIU topping mooting charts this year if consistency is given the most points.
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 18:25
+9 -17
I am against online moots. A cancellation is better. One of the most important things about mooting is body language and maintaining your calm standing in front of eminent international judges. This is like a Skype call.
NLIU-B 8 Apr 2020, 18:32
+12 -12
NLIU Bhopal has consistently over the period of years performed amazingly well. Whether it's the number of partners in top firms, moots, judiciary, or providing legal aid to students. Wonder why GNLU and NLUJ pride themselves above. Placement wise too NLIU has consistently performed well, many anyway join judiciary or civil services, etc. We have news on NLIU in vis Octa, Stetson finalists, JSA to Indus partner move, TTA promotions, etc etc. Amazing really. They don't show off like GNLU or NLUJ kids and are generally quite humble and nice. Great culture must say.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 06:29
+18 -5
I agree with you regarding GNLU. They are loudmouths who run on PR.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 08:17
+13 -8
NLIU>NLUJ and NLIU>>>GNLU. That's it.
Bhopal 9 Apr 2020, 07:25
+3 -2
Also JSA promotions...
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 21:06
+6 -1
NLIU, NUJS, GNLU, NLUJ, JGLS, NLSIU, NUALS and NALSAR are doing exceptionally well at moots this year.
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 22:28
+9 -2
NLIU is a great law school with a underrated reputation. It needs to do the following to make a big bang:

1. Better PR
2. Crack foreign law firm offers and more Big 7 domestic offers.
3. More UPSC rankers
4. Win some tier 1 moots.
5. Invite lots of good guest lecturers. Appoint NLU alumni as full faculty or part-time faculty
6. MoUs with good universities abroad.
7. Lobby for funding
Guest 8 Apr 2020, 22:30
+0 -1
The toughest teams here are Queensland and Hong Kong.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 05:49
+1 -0
Anyone knows which teams went into the the semis? The official website hasn't been updated yet, though it was supposed to have been by now.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 06:28
+12 -13
Are the NUJS mooters from outside Bengal? If yes, that shows how damaging domicile quota can be.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 07:44
+24 -7
They are from outer space. There's an alien/alien sponsored quota. They spoke Klingon and mind-controlled the judges. Happy now?
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 06:36
+10 -2
The mooting success of NLUs highlights the problem with QS rankings. They measure student quality based on anonymous employer feedback. But that is not objective as the person giving the feedback will probably be an NLSIU alum himself/herself, or someone who personally knows the JGLS student, since JGLS jobs are often through contacts. Moot wins must be counted as well, as they are an objective parameter.
Noojie666 9 Apr 2020, 07:09
+4 -9
Ironic that commentators here focus on how JGLS students get jobs through contacts while completely overlooking that NLU's placement cells rely on their alumni and contacts in order to secure internships and jobs. The double standards are astounding!
Futile Argument 10 Apr 2020, 14:44
+2 -1
This is a futile debate and I don't want to get involved in it - however, using one's alumni network is vastly different from your daddy calling someone for a favour.

Having said this, no one cares about which university you graduate from once you start working (and outside of occasional ribbing). Being a good person and a competent professional is important. /gyanover/
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 07:48
+5 -2
Again with the trolls! Now these people are even more jobless with the lockdown. Can't go anywhere without seeing their poop strewn all over the place. Convert every bit of positive news into a meaningless pissing contest or political garbage, that's their motto.
Update 9 Apr 2020, 10:20
+6 -1
NUJS has beaten Hong Kong in the quarter finals and Hamburg in the semis to have reached the finals now. They would be facing Freiburg there. This is great going.
NLU Alum 9 Apr 2020, 10:21
+7 -3
Hey Kian! Three things
1. Please do a story on Stetson. India did outstandingly well. NUALS and NLIU Bhopal were winners and runners up respectively.
2. Bring back the mooting premier league. Its a good indicator of the depth of students of a law school. If not the only indicator.
3. Bring back the recruitment rankings. Only Legallyindia can do a honest assessment of recruitment situation in law schools. It was shameful how top law schools gave blatantly false figures to go up the NIRF rankings and lack of verification by NIRF.

Lately LI has only been doing deal reporting which is ok but we want the old LegallyIndia back.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 11:25
+4 -3
Stetson has already been covered by Kian. About the other matters, I do not honestly see any point of the ranking apart from stoking needless bad blood between the students from various NLUs. Plenty of it already exists here in the comments section. However, there can be a ready table wherein all the info are provided as a matter of public record. Moot performances, recruitments etc. People need the info, not the ranks. Let whoever wants to form an opinion do so using that info.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 11:55
+3 -5
Very obvious that you are from a law school that will do badly in MPL and get exposed for hollow PR.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:03
+8 -4
Very obvious you are from a place where you are not getting proper education. You should demand a refund. I have long since graduated from Law School and I really do not think we need any PR at this stage, nor would it be any skin off my back if other institutions do well. Nor do I consider students from any other institution to be inferior to myself either. That's what my institution has taught me. What yours have taught you is rather prominent in your comment, so no need to emphasize it any further.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 11:54
+4 -2
Yes, it is high time Kian stops being a blind NLSIU stan and brings back MPL. Also placement ranking.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:02
+6 -1
I agree with comment 15. NIRF is being gamed by dishonest law schools and this fools the public. We need an honest arbitrator.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:24
+2 -1
Deepak Mishra is looking for opportunities since retirement from what I have heard. Apparently Bobde has told him that he doesn't need to receive any pension since he's anyway getting to eat four square meals a day.
Jiggles 9 Apr 2020, 10:47
+8 -0
Congratulations NUJS!
Noojie 9 Apr 2020, 11:30
+6 -0
Thanks a bunch. Jindal has also been doing well in various moots in and out of the country. There really isn't any unhealthy rivalry between law schools. Some trolls here like to pose as if there is. As a student of NUJS, I don't think being happy and sporting when other law schools do well in various fields prevents us from doing well, especially when those students are likely to become our future colleagues anyway. When such performance represents the country, we are ready enough to cheer for Jindal or any other Indian law school for that matter.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:00
+7 -2
Mamata is lavishing land and money on IIM, IIT, Presidency, Xavier's etc. Surely NUJS deserves something for its students doing so well?
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:28
+4 -3
What rubbish claims! When is the last time either IIT, IIM or Xaviers (which is a private university) got any money from the state? Trolls can be so delusional! If it's about land, NUJS has also received land almost three years ago from the state government. It is prime land, right adjacent to its current campus. I know it's difficult to learn anything past your brainwashing, but at least get the facts straight before trolling.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:03
+3 -2
You are talking about a pea-sized plot versus massive tracts of land for IIM and Xavier's. Why can't the govt hand over the Leather Technology campus to NUJS and shift them to Rajarhat? It is a third-rate institution sitting on a land that is probably bigger than NUJS.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:17
+2 -2
Ah, now I get your problem. Obviously a BJP and RSS Bhakt would have a problem with leather. You prefer other output that cows have to offer, such as urine and dung. It is also typical of you to suggest that an institution that has around 5 times the student intake of NUJS, and one that also predates NUJS by many years, should be uprooted and sent elsewhere, without any reason whatsoever or any care for their rights. That's alright, people of your kind never bothered about law or rights much anyway. I just wish I could know of your identity in real life, so that I could advise every person whom I know to avoid you like the Plague or Covid-19. You have got no sense of logic, law, reason or any of the qualities that make even a decent human being. All you know is to be divisive, venomous, irrational and how to overstay your welcome. If Kian censors this part despite its accuracy, then so be it.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:32
+1 -0
Why couldn't your parents have handed you over and got themselves a better replacement once you started talking and displaying your wonderful insight? If only everyone in life could get such bargains while dealing!
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:55
+2 -2
"Massive tracts of land" chahiye? Kheti-baari karna hai kya, bhaiyaji? Gomata ko parnam bolna.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 12:54
+9 -0
Excellent performance from both the NUJS speakers. The other team also did well, but I felt that the NUJS team were much in control of their arguments and were more ready with supporting material. Keeping fingers crossed for a win. Though I'm not from NUJS, I still feel this team has earned it.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 13:49
+2 -0
NUJS has won!
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 13:50
+2 -0
NUJS has won!
Qe 9 Apr 2020, 14:00
+2 -0
NUJS won!!!! Too proud
Hsh 9 Apr 2020, 14:42
+3 -0
Amazing!! All the team members are from second year along with a 1st year Junior researcher
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 14:28
+5 -0
Bring back the MPL !!!
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 14:30
+3 -4
Had there been a domicile quota prior to 2020, the winners would have been NLUJ or NLIU. Shame on the SJA for not doing more to oppose the quota.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 14:47
+3 -2
There was already a domicile quota in place when every single member of the current team joined NUJS. One of the members would even have qualified. There, your troll tax has been paid. Now go and find a bucket of water to splash on yourself.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 17:19
+0 -1
You mean the same NLIU that has had a domicile quota for over a decade now?
Wrong numbers 10 Apr 2020, 12:22
+1 -0
NLIU has a domicile quota since 2 decades. It's the 2nd oldest NLU in India fyi. They have learned to perform with the quota. In fact, since NLIU has become so prestigious in MP, a lot of smart kids are actually attempting law. You will see many of them in NLS, NALSAR, etc.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:39
+2 -2
"Learned to perform with domicile quota" - lol. You either consider it bad for an institution or you don't. If you do, it's bad for every batch. At least make logical sense. You said the domicile quota actually encouraged students from MP to opt for law. Going by that logic, meritorious students from Bengal have already been opting for it over several decades. You can find them doing well in every NLU. Therefore, the quota won't matter for NUJS either. They have also been having a domicile quota for the last 4 years. All the members of this team have joined during this period only. One would even have come under the quota.
Doopie 12 Apr 2020, 21:57
+0 -0
[...] ... who is even speaking about NUJS? Point was about NLIUs performance with quota. Might work for NUJS too as there are in fact many from WB in various top NLUs. [...]
2nd or 3rd time ? 9 Apr 2020, 14:46
+2 -0
Is this the second or third time NUJS is winning this particular moot ?
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:04
+2 -0
Vis Vienna was won last in 2003. Since then, Vis East has been won once, but not Vienna.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:07
+0 -0
Second. 2003 and now. NALSAR is the only other Indian law school to have won it back in 2012. NLS and Jindal have been runners-up in 2014 and 2017 respectively.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:13
+2 -0
Twice, 2003 and 2020. NALSAR is the only other Indian university to have won it in 2012. NLSIU and JGLS were runners up in 2014 and 2017. NUJS has also won Vis East twice, in 2005 and 2017. ILS Pune is the only other Indian law school to have won Vis East. NALSAR was runners up in Vis East in 2017 and Jindal in 2018.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:13
+0 -4
Friends, I have no issues that NUJS, NUALS and NLIU have done well and I congratulate you all. But I am totally against any ranking for this. In international rankings colleges are ranked on criteria like faculty research and placements. Moots and extra curricular activities are never considered. This system has been adopted by NIRF and should not change. If moots are considered then people will next as for sports, debates, quiz etc. So please respect the official ranking in out country and keep extra curricular activities separate.

Once again many congratulations but please do not discuss ranking as there is an existing system under NIRF.
Soothslayer 9 Apr 2020, 16:13
+1 -3
You are from JGLS aren't you? All that you have to talk about is the NIRF Rankin but no real achievements. I think NLIU had not even applied for the NIRF Rankings.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:53
+3 -0
QS ranking you mean. JGLS hasn't applied for NIRF either till date.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:20
+0 -0
Friend, what makes you think that it matters a rat's ass what you think about this win, rankings of universities in India, abroad or methodologies of ranking? Only an ignoramus who has got no idea about law schools argues that mooting has got no relationship with quality of graduate students of an institution. What good is a teacher with 20 publications unless he can produce 20 good students too? The answer to all the questions that I've asked is only one: Nothing.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:30
+1 -0
Friend, this is us. Not caring about your issues. We can offer you tissues though. It's not the US after all.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:16
+1 -7
MPL STANDINGS FOR 2020 SO FAR.

1. NUJS
2. NUALS
3. NLIU

Very unfortunate that MPL has been scrapped just when NLSIU and NALSAR are getting weaker.
Guest1 9 Apr 2020, 15:59
+1 -1
1. NLSIU is the only team that finished in theTop 8 of World Rounds of Oxford Price Media International Moot. NLSIU had also won the South Asian Rounds and the Best Speaker therein.

2. NALSAR and NLSIU had qualified for World Rounds of Oxford IPR Moot this year (Neither NUJS nor NUALS could achieve this).

3. NLSIU qualified for World Rounds of Frankfurt Investment Arbitration Moot.

Get a life bro. Stop spewing uninformed news.
Guest2 9 Apr 2020, 16:47
+1 -1
NLSIU and NALSAR also qualified till Quarters of Vis East. NLSIU speaker also got Best Speaker Hon'ble Mention.

Get you facts right dude
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:52
+1 -0
Not that I agree with 26, but just to dampen your snooty tone about your point 2, NUJS qualified for Jessup World rounds this year before it got cancelled. NLSIU couldn't 'achieve' it this year either. But this bickering is pointless. All these law schools are still quite good when it comes to mooting, regardless of who wins any particular moot in any year.
Guest1 9 Apr 2020, 17:18
+1 -0
My comment has nothing against the colleges that Comment 26 ranked but saying that MPL got pulled down because of NLSIU and NALSAR not doing well is pathetic. I am not even saying that NLSIU or NALSAR should've been ranked above the ones mentioned. I am not even from either NLSIU or NALSAR.

In fact, your petty ego shouldn't have hurt if you weren't "snotty" yourself to mention NUJS' achievement :)
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 17:42
+1 -1
Your original comment and subsequent clarification differ considerably both in terms of language and tone. In order to show that NLS is still a mooting force to reckon with (a fact that I agree with), you need not have mentioned as to which other law school didn't have similar 'achievements' this year. You may back pedal now if you want to, I don't really care one way or another.
Guest1 9 Apr 2020, 18:18
+0 -0
I don't care either.
NLIU Alum 9 Apr 2020, 16:56
+1 -1
NLIU had also qualified for Oxford IPR
LOL 12 Apr 2020, 20:11
+1 -0
Nalsar has also won the national rounds of Jessup two years in a row lol
Hodor 13 Apr 2020, 04:51
+1 -0
There's a difference between winning national rounds and the actual final competition. Said difference is rather Stark.
LOL 15 Apr 2020, 16:26
+0 -1
Nalsar also got the best claimant memo in the world rounds and two speaker citations last year. This year, unfortunately, the world rounds were cancelled. The only metric to judge Indian teams would then be the nationals, wouldn't it
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 16:56
+3 -0
Not when we are discussing about competing with teams globally in international moots, no. If global rounds get cancelled, that moot simply won't form part of the calculations. At least in terms of winning international moots. You want to use it for a league table like scene to get some more points in, that's okay I think.
Other awards 9 Apr 2020, 15:24
+2 -0
NLUD both speakers get Honorable Mention as oralists, NLS gets Honorable mention for Respondent Memo. Both are the only Indian teams to feature in the respective criteria's.
noojiee 18 Jul 2020, 18:48
+0 -0
NUJS : Vis Vienna x 2, Vis East x2 = 4 grand slams
Legend 9 Apr 2020, 15:38
+2 -5
Forget MPL, if we consider Jessup, Vienna, Stetson and Oxford IP to be the 4 Grand Slams of moots, here is India's Mooting Legends Hall of Fame:

1) NLSIU: Jessup x 2, Stetson x 1, Oxford IP x 1 = 4 Grand Slam wins
2) NUJS: Vienna x 2 = 2 Grand Slam wins
3) NALSAR: Vienna x 1 = 1 Grand Slam win
4) NLUJ: Stetson x 1 = 1 Grand Slam win
5) NUALS = Stetson x 1 = 1 Grand Slam win
6) GNLU: Stetson x 1 = 1 Grand Slam win
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:47
+1 -1
Who in their right mind puts Stetson and Price with Vis and Jessup? The last two are way ahead in terms of quality and competition.
NLIU Alum 9 Apr 2020, 16:57
+1 -0
Bhai NLIU Stetson jeeta he
Lmao 9 Apr 2020, 17:04
+0 -0
Cute that you think stetson and OxIP are grand slams. 7 Grand Slams, Jessup, Vienna, Vis East, Ox Price, Manfred Lachs, ICC.
This is funny 9 Apr 2020, 19:30
+1 -0
Stetson and Oxford IP really? Stetson is a shell of its former self - the India rounds are pathetic and the quality at international rounds have also decreased. Oxford IPR isn't even the biggest moot of Oxford - its Price.

Based on the quality of India rounds (internal law school ranks for these moots [for those who do not do a separate selection for each]) and the international rounds these should be the top ones:

Jessup
Vis
Man Lachs
Vis East
Price Media
ICC
Fact check 11 Apr 2020, 09:54
+0 -0
You mean Ox Price right? Can't possibly mean Ox IPR. If so, NALSAR won it in 2012 FYI
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 15:41
+0 -2
Kian, if you're gonna use "Bangalore" despite NLSIU's official website saying Bengaluru, then you must also use Calcutta.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 16:48
+2 -0
Don't you get tired of parroting this? Been to Bangalore Law College lately?
Hopeful 9 Apr 2020, 19:32
+2 -2
Great achievement on the part of the students. Also good for the institution. But I keep wondering just how much better NUJS could have done with a proper VC, like an alumnus VC
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 02:29
+1 -2
I keep wondering just how much better people who depend on you to do your job could have done with a proper person, as in not a jobless one.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 20:44
+0 -1
NKC should publicise this in the local media and seek a meeting with Mamata for more funds.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 20:57
+1 -1
Barring Vienna, NLSIU has won every grand slam moot: Manfred Lachs, Ox Price etc. No other NLU comes close.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 02:27
+0 -0
NLSIU has never won Vis East either. I am not sure whether they have won ICC either.
Guest 9 Apr 2020, 21:08
+2 -0
According to the old MPL ranking, these 4 moots have the most points. So they are the Grand Slam moots.

Manfred Lachs Space Moot, World Finals
Philip C. Jessup, Washington
Willem C. Vis (East), Hong Kong
Willem C. Vis, Vienna


https://www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2014-15_moot_court_competitions
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 01:13
+4 -1
For those who are thinking domicile quota will ruin the standard of NUJS, they should be considerate of the fact that in every NLUs, Bengali people are toppers, debators and mooters ( take list of NLS, NALSAR, NLUJ, GNLU, etc and check ). Domicile will create different circumstances in NUJS especially because it'll consolidate 'cream intellegent bengali in one place.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 05:16
+1 -5
Boss, the question is not of Bengali v Non-Bengali, it is of TMC v non-TMC. Their idea is not to attract the best and brightest of Bengal but promote their own mediocre stooges in the faculty/EC and then use these people to recruit students in their gang by bribing them with easy marks. Eventually, they will also junk CLAT, as the amendment act makes it possible. Now the amendment act could silty have been challenged, but the SJA chose not to because they are beholden to the faculty who bribe with marks.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 05:43
+6 -1
Thank you for your openness about making it political. One wonders why you are not saying that in Karnataka, it's about BJP v. non-BJP insofar as NLSIU domicile is concerned. Or in Delhi. Given the sort of people with primitive mentalities that have entered at this university along with the last few batches (thankfully the number is still a minority), I do not think domicile quota is going to make things any worse. As for getting out of CLAT, that any NLU can do now any day, the 2008 SC order notwithstanding, since it requires all NLUs to renew their subscription to the consortium periodically. The one guy who made this university see its very best was from Kerala. The one who started the downfall was from Karnataka. Till the point all NLUs are nationalised, state governments would keep having power within. That's how they have been structured. The central government has no intention to do anything about it either. That's the democratic fallout.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 07:22
+3 -0
Amendment Act could have been challenged on which legal grounds exactly? Go ahead, dazzle us with your brilliance and acumen, o legal eagle!
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 05:09
+0 -0
Kian, I am shocked at your MPL points system. You ranked DM Harish alongside top international moots???
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 08:26
+3 -0
Kian gets occasional brain freezes. That's when Manan Mishra calls him a Kiang.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 09:17
+1 -2
An accurate law school ranking should be structured as follows. It will be good if LI or Bar & Bench can do it.

STUDENT ACHIEVEMENTS: 100 points

1. Average salary: 20 points
2. Percentage recruited: 20 points
3. Mooting success: 20 points
4. UPSC success for previous year: 10 points
5. Judicial services success for previous year: 10 points
6. LLM admissions in top 20 QS/Times universities: 10 points
7. LLM scholarships in top 200 QS/Times universities (100% scholarship only): 10 points

FACULTY QUALITY: 100 points

1. PhD from top 100 QS/Times university ranked in any discipline: 20 points
2. PhD from top 10 NIRF law school or general university in any discipline: 10 points
3. Master's from top 100 QS/Times university ranked in any discipline: 10 points
4. Bachelor's from top 10 NIRF law school or general university in any discipline: 10 points
5. Books published by leading publishers: 10 points
6. Publications indexed in Scopus/JSTOR/Westlaw/Hein Online: 10 points
7. Book chapters in books by leading publishers: 10 points.
8. Research grants: 5 points.
9. Prior practice or teaching experience prior to current institution: 5 points
10. Faculty-student ratio: 10 points

INFRASTRUCTURE: 100 points

1. Size of campus: 10 points
2. Number of textbooks in library: 5 points
3. Library area size: 5 points
4. Online databases subscribed: 20 points
5. Hostel rooms: students ratio: 10 points
6. Air conditioned hostel rooms: students ratio: 10 points
7. Air conditioned class rooms: students ratio: 10 points
8. Proximity to hospitals: 10 points
9. Proximity to malls: 5 points
10. Proximity to hotels: 5 points
11. Proximity to Police Station: 5 points
12. Proximity to airport: 5 points
Guest1 10 Apr 2020, 09:42
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Petition to recruit you to NIRF ranking committee.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 11:31
+0 -0
Rankin' wale Baba returns during lockdown! Baba ki jai ho!
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 09:20
+0 -0
Why was MPL stopped in the first place?
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 11:38
+3 -0
Kian realised he's not getting any younger. Go on, volunteer to help him out. Be nice.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 09:22
+2 -3
Wow, NKC just donated the college's money to Mamata's fund. Why not PM CARES fund as well? Sad politics.


https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/covid-19-nujs-contributes-rs-500000-towards-west-bengal-state-emergency-relief-fund-read-press-note-155052?infinitescroll=1
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 11:37
+5 -1
1. Because PM Cares fund is handled opaquely without any clarity about how the money would be doesn't spent or whether it would be spent at all or simply go to fund Modiji's next foreign trip to China or US. Google it if you are not already aware of the controversies surrounding that fund.
2. The university is also located in a state and the money has been donated to a fund that is going to contribute towards relief activities for that state.
3. Since you are the one who is debating which fund it should have been donated to, the only person playing politics here is you.
4. The people donating do not have any problem, so your opinion does not count.
5. Go Corona Corona go.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:18
+1 -4
Yes, Mamata's fund is totally honest and transparent and her party is 200% honest.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:31
+3 -0
The fund actually is transparent with established processes. Like the original PM Relief Fund that was so cavalierly cast aside by the Centre. You would know if you are actually in the habit of reading things. Again, what does it matter if you don't like it? You aren't giving a paise. The fund also belongs to the state, not to Mamata or her party. I can't care less about the latter. They sure have managed to put a stick up your butt though. You should get that checked soon before the infection spreads.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:42
+4 -1
True. NKC should have donated that money to the Save Disco from Corona Fund.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:15
+0 -0
Unfortunate that Bar & bench is yet to report it. It seems whenever LI gets a scoop Bar & Bench ignores/underplays the story and vice versa. Childish behaviour from both websites!
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:24
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Kian, here is a suggestion: if sponsorship is an issue, JGLS can be approached to fund MPL. They are not among the top 10 moot performers and are not an NLU, so they will have not have any vested interest in allocating points. And it is a very dignified way to do advertising.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 12:41
+0 -0
JGLS has actually been runners up to both Vis and Vis East. If a list of top 10 mooting universities is drawn performance wise, they would probably be in it. I am not from JGLS and have no intention to do PR for them. Just providing a factual clarification.
Guest 10 Apr 2020, 16:57
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NIRF India Rankings 2020 postponed due to coronavirus disease outbreak

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/nirf-india-rankings-2020-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-disease-outbreak/story-SxqQ4EOXEnwTSfb9vq6JyL.html
Guest 11 Apr 2020, 07:02
+3 -0
Who cares?
Guest 11 Apr 2020, 22:35
+0 -3
Why isn't the local media covering this news? At least the TMC stooges can ask their favourite mouthpiece Telegraph to cover it?
Noojiestar 12 Apr 2020, 04:41
+4 -1
Because some people like to actually do the best that they can, and not for generating media hype or attention or overcoming any insecurity complex. You may try to create bitterness and act divisive and give political overtone to every positive matter. We are not going to entertain any of those. Peace out.
Guest 12 Apr 2020, 12:56
+0 -2
Sorry, but you do need to publicise this instead of the useless crap that NKC has been publicising just to boost his image. In fact, even Bar & Bench has not covered the news.
Noojiestar 12 Apr 2020, 14:37
+4 -0
You are free to publicise whatever you want to. We would thank you for your concern and efforts too.
Guest 13 Apr 2020, 21:15
+0 -7
Regarding the NALSAR v NUJS comments, the truth is that NALSAR's record is far superior overall. In cricket a batsman with two centuries and 8 single digit scores is inferior to a batsman with two centuries, 6 fifties and only 2 single digit scores. Same principle applies to moots.
Guest 14 Apr 2020, 05:45
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There was no NALSAR v. NUJS comment. You want to make stuff up for your amusement, that is up to you. Your analogy is also laughable and juvenile, but that reflects on you personally, not on the university you hail from.
Guest 14 Apr 2020, 06:36
+8 -0
You have very little idea about the overall mooting record of these two universities over the past two decades. I suggest you actually do some research, get some solid stats from 2000 to 2020, and then engage in whatever needless comparison you seem to get a kick out of.
Guest 14 Apr 2020, 09:47
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I do not have any intention to compare or rank the mooting prowess of NALSAR, NUJS or any other law school. However, I am providing some facts in relation to Comment 44. So far, 8 international moots have been talked about in this post/comments. I am confining the facts to these 8 and winners of those only.

NALSAR:
Manfred Lachs - 0
Vis East - 0
Vis Vienna - 1
ICC - 0
Jessup - 0
Oxford IP - 0
Stetson - 0
Price Media - 1

Total - 2

NUJS:
Man Lachs - 0
Vis East - 2
Vis Vienna - 2
ICC - 0
Jessup - 0
Oxford IP - 0
Stetson - 1
Price Media - 0

Total - 5



NLSIU:
Man Lachs - 3
Vis East - 0
Vis Vienna - 0
ICC - 0
Jessup - 2
Oxford IP - 1
Stetson - 1 (This may be more, data before 2009 could not be verified)
Price Media - 0

Total - 7

NLUD
Man Lachs - 1
Vis East - 0
Vis Vienna - 0
ICC - 1
Jessup - 0
Oxford IP - 0
Stetson - 0
Price Media - 1

Total - 3

Disclaimer: I respect all these NLUs and their students. I am happy that both have brought prestige and acclaim for the country in these competitions.
Guest 14 Apr 2020, 17:05
+0 -7
When did NUJS win Stetson? The official website does not mention it. Also, I do not think they won Vis East twice. Please check your info first.
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 00:45
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@45.1: NUJS had won Stetson in 2005. See https://nujs.edu/nujs-students-activities-sja-mootcourts.html for reference.
NUJS has also won Vis East twice, first in 2005 and then in 2017 by beating Houston and NALSAR respectively in the finals. The Wiki page indicates that. You can check here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awards_in_the_Willem_C._Vis_International_Commercial_Arbitration_Moot
If you have any other source that contradicts this, please provide the same. I do not have any partiality towards NUJS as such and would happily stand corrected.
Guest345 14 Apr 2020, 11:05
+0 -2
How does the NUJS Vis Vienna team include the NUJS Vis East team? Is such a large team allowed? Doesn't this make it unfair to other universities?
guest123 15 Apr 2020, 04:22
+2 -0
vis vienna has only 3 members(all 2nd year students) along with 1 junior researcher who is a 1st year student. Composition of Vis east is also same. As the moot problem for both the moot is same both the team worked independently as well as jointly on the moot. The vis vienna team won the moot, but it was a joint effort by all of them.

So it is not like vis vienna team includes vis east team, ofcourse they must have helped each other. i am sure that this also happens in other cllgs.
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 06:40
+4 -0
That's just smart utilization of available resources.
Guest345 16 Apr 2020, 14:42
+0 -0
guest123, look at how the article is written. The Vis Vienna team seems to have 8 members, which includes the Vis East team. This isn't the same as simply working together, it's about also getting credits for the win. The Vis East team anyway had their own moot. Doesn't competing twice in the same year go against Vis policy?
Guest 16 Apr 2020, 15:27
+0 -0
Thik hai bhai, sirf 4 logon ko certificate milega. Khush?
guestrr 18 Apr 2020, 16:40
+1 -0
since they worked together in which they helped each other, the Vis east team does deserves some credit. it is not like vis east team represented nujs at vis vienna also. it is like two friends A and B are having exams on same subject and they help each other out in studies. but the exam were on different date for each of them for some reasons like A was ill, so he gave exam on some other day. A had best grades in class, so the teacher congratulated A and A told the whole class that it was a joint effort by both A and B and he is thankful to B. So the winner is A but B also helped him so he gives also gives credit to B. So it is not like they are participating twice.
It is just people at Nujs are really thankful and grateful to vis east team or that they helped and they do deserve the credit.
And just to clarify only 3 people will get the certificate from Vis vienna, the JR who is a first year he won't get the certificate from VIS.
Guest 14 Apr 2020, 14:59
+0 -0
Kian, any reason in particular why my comment wasn't published? It should have been between 44 and 45. All the stats I provided were from public domain too, you may verify those yourself. Nor did I make any disparaging comment I believe.
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 10:47
+0 -3
In other words, NUJS has great mooters but terrible PR. That's visible from the terrible website: even Chaudhary Charan Singh University's is probably better. It's stupid for the students not to demand that the admin improves it.
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 12:46
+5 -1
Work is already underway on the new official site, as per SJA. The pandemic has currently put a stop to it like most other things, but once things normalize, it should be resumed.
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 14:02
+3 -1
PR (na) kiya toh darna kya?
Guest 15 Apr 2020, 14:16
+3 -0
Why are you that much bothered whether some other institute do PR about their achievements or not?
Guest 666 16 Apr 2020, 06:36
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I have a question about NUJS to the NUJS students. Do you guys have annual convocations at NUJS? As in with the ceremony and all that? Or do they club together a few graduating batches' ceremonies like they do at GNLU? I am only curious and I would be grateful if someone could let me know.
Noojiestar 16 Apr 2020, 07:00
+0 -0
Annual convocations happen every year for each graduating batch separately. This year's had to be postponed though because of the pandemic.
Guest 666 16 Apr 2020, 11:22
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A quick follow-up. When do they usually happen? Like which month of the year? Isn't it too early to postpone this year's convocation since the 2020 batch wouldn't even have finished their final semester yet?
Guest 16 Apr 2020, 13:36
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They traditionally happen in February next year. But from this year onward, the timings might change to November of the same year. The convo that got postponed was that of the 2019 batch.
Guest 666 16 Apr 2020, 15:50
+0 -0
Great. Thanks.
Lol 20 Apr 2020, 05:29
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https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/row-over-nlu-j-faculty-suggesting-study-materials-showing-homosexuality-as-disorder-155473