NLS responds, reassures as candidates broke NLS’ NLAT simulation mock proctoring wide open with ‘crazy fun’ as chaos dominated first slot [UPDATE-1]

Many reports of notifications received AFTER the reporting time for the first simulation
Many reports of notifications received AFTER the reporting time for the first simulation

Teething issues are to be expected for an exam announced with such short notice but the simulation of the National Law Aptitude Test (NLAT) admissions test to NLSIU Bangalore today was dogged by myriad issues.

As first reported on our live blog earlier today, the simulation of the NLAT was off to an inauspicious start with severe delays and issues to notifying candidates of which actual time slot out of three they would be appearing in.

Apart from such problems that should have been entirely avoidable, there were also the potentially catastrophic, as we have received reports of many candidates trying to (apparently successfully) skirt the proctoring system, as we had predicted they would in our deep-dive of cheating on NLAT yesterday.

And as the Supreme Court has declined to stay the exam (while also not allowing NLS to begin admissions or to release the merit list before the next hearing on 16 September, which will screw with schedules), what happened during the simulation mock could be a more serious problem.

We have reached out to NLSIU for comment on both of these issues and will update the story if we hear anything.

Update 22:30: We have received a statement from NLS about the technical issues experienced by candidates today:

The simulation test was not a mandatory test. All students were given a chance to attend at least one simulation test. In the case of some students where they received late emails about their simulation test, they were given another chance to take the simulation test at 8 pm on Friday.

The helpline was active throughout the day on Friday. However, to assure students who may have concerns about accessing the helpline, staff of more than 115 will be available to man the helplines for technical assistance on Saturday when the NLAT 2020 will be conducted.

With regard to facial recognition issues, candidates have to comply with the instructions given to them in the candidate guide regarding the format of the ID card to be produced during the test.

Same questions, same answers

The simulation mock exam, which included proctoring, took most candidates mere minutes to complete, several candidates told us.

Just like the previous mock exam (without proctoring), it repeated the same 10 questions and the same reading comprehension passage as in the sample paper announced on the exam’s Day Zero (3 September), which most candidates would have looked at or completed at least twice now.

While the FAQ had promised a “Simulation Test of the exact NLAT examination process”, it seems like a missed opportunity at assuring candidates by not having them be able to attempt an entire 40-question, 45 minute proctored exam paper.

Proctoring schmoctoring?

Be that as it may, this simulation may mostly have been intended to be a dry run of the proctoring system.

If so, reviews of the proctoring have not been great either.

DISCLAIMER: None of the below accounts are endorsements of cheating or describe methods that will necessarily work in the final exam, which may have more stringent security measures, in addition to potentially having a post mortem process where successful candidates’ camera footage could be examined more closely. In short, even if the system is not perfect, it is still very risky to cheat and if you’re unethical enough to try cheating in the actual final exam, no one but you bears responsibility for your failure.

Update 14:57: A new section has been added to the FAQs that confirms: “Further investigation post the examination will be carried out with help of audit logs generated on the system, and NLSIU may disqualify the candidate upon such examination”.

“The whole proctoring system was a joke,” said one candidate. They said that despite bad posture, holding up their phone below the webcam and even on the webcam, talking loudly, and darting their eyes all over the place, they had not once been warned by the proctoring system (which is supposed to issue first warnings on any violations).

“They could have sent me a warning message to cease my inappropriate behaviour, anytime,” said the candidate.

How many people does it take to answer an NLAT simulation? 4

We have also seen a video of four people taking the NLAT simulation.

The scene: one sat in front of the laptop pretending to be interested in and working out the 10 questions they would by now know by heart, while another person sat next to them looking at their screen and worked out answers (just out of the webcam’s field of view), another person sat on the other side taking a cameraphone video of the screen, and a fourth person stood recording all three of them.

In one case, proctor kicks in, ‘crazy fun’ ensues

Another candidate said that they were deliberately speaking and playing songs while taking the simulated test with two other persons present helping them.

After a while, they received a message from the proctoring system, ordering them to stop speaking and to show the entire room on the webcam, rotating the computer 360 degrees.

So did they get busted, we asked? No, by the time the webcam was rotated one helper had darted outside the room, while the second helper hid under the table.

“That was crazy, we had fun,” said the candidate.

Other software issues

While it was admirable and necessary for the NLAT to widen the platforms usable by candidates from just Windows PCs to also include Macs, Linux and Android, that brings completely new problems with it if it is not possible to test the system on so many different operating systems.

“One of the [candidates] used Spotlight feature of her Macbook,” went one account about the built-in MacOS feature you can open that allows you to search the internet and display results right there, without opening a browser window. “She got no warning.”

That’s not to say it will be impossible to the NLAT to figure this out after the event: it is theoretically possible for a test browser window to record keystrokes and mouse movements, which could result in the system guessing that Spotlight was opened via a keyboard shortcut or mouse (though the browser probably wouldn’t be able to know what you typed into the Spotlight window).

Proctor verification messing with genuine candidates’ flow

Another candidate, who apparently didn’t try to cheat, complained that such verification took up valuable time for honest candidates.

“We have to show the room, the surroundings, verify, not move too much,” they said.

“If the verification takes long when will they do so this.”

Late / indefinite start

Coming to the avoidable, we have received several reports of candidates not having received their log-in details (or even timeslot) in time.

One candidate said: “For 12 pm reporting and 12:30 test today they send mail at 12:38. And now when we log in says test time has expired.”

“They have to ensure that everyone in one particular slot needs to get verified within 10-15 mins before the exam starts - it will be a cause of anxiety if that doesn’t happen,” said another candidate.

Update 14:01: In at least two cases we have seen, emails or SMSes arrived considerably after 1pm, in one case a message arriving after the exam had finished, nearly at 1:30pm.

But even when timeslots arrived ‘on time’ (as in, barely before the exam), that caused issues for candidates:

First of all, we got our time slots A WHOLE LOT OF 15 MINUTES before when we were supposed to appear. I was supposed to go to a relative’s house to give the exam as my laptop was not working properly but could not do that. I tried calling them to ask if i can give the simulation test and the actual exam of different devices but even they didn’t seem sure.

Now I will have to give the actual exam on a computer which could die anytime. I have heard of students getting the email at 12.34/12.40 telling them they need to appear at 12.30. Now they are not able to log in as the system says they are late.

I have sent them a couple of emails asking if there is any tech issue in between the exam, how would we reach out to them considering we are neither allowed to leave the test window nor have a phone next to us nor do they seem to have (as per the instruction manual) any internal system to solve tech issues and communicate with the proctor as there was in SLAT. They are not replying. Even during today’s test, the verification was taking too much time. i had emailed them after 25 minutes of waiting. Did not get any reply. Couple students have been waiting for almost an hour. No replies.

The timings of the actual exam are still not out yet.

Update 14:10: We understand that some candidates have begun receiving emails confirming their time slots for tomorrow’s final exam. However, some of those candidates have not received time slots for their upcoming simulated mocks yet.

What does this mean?

The simulation was supposed to be a fully proctored experience but it appears that multiple deliberate shenenigans were not flagged.

That’s not to say that those same actions would not lead to eventual disqualification in the final exam, but it does not give a lot of faith in the automated software.

We spoke to a candidate who had just sat the simulated exam and wished them luck.

“CLAT is the only one that matters,” said the candidate. “This is a joke, this is worse than Symbi [which also ran a home-proctored admissions test].” DISCLAIMER: None of the accounts mentioned herein are endorsements of cheating or describe methods that will necessarily work in the final exam, which may have more stringent security measures, in addition to potentially having a post mortem process where successful candidates’ camera footage could be examined more closely. In short, even if the system is not perfect, it is still very risky to cheat and if you’re unethical enough to try cheating in the actual final exam, no one but you bears responsibility for your failure.

Update 14:57: A new section has been added to the FAQs that confirms: “Further investigation post the examination will be carried out with help of audit logs generated on the system, and NLSIU may disqualify the candidate upon such examination”.

Comments

Guest 11 Sept 2020, 08:54
+28 -1
Very unfortunate that LI reports were not cited before the SC. Unfortunately, the older generation of lawyers and judges read B&B rather than LI, which is more for youth, but the problem is the B&B is a Sudhir/NLSIU mouthpiece.
Interested bystander 11 Sept 2020, 09:56
+10 -0
1. Arguing in the SCI doesn't give you room for 'ways in which the online exam can be duped.' Moreover, Most of the ways explained here would have required some level of imagination on part of the bench to even follow the logic. Therefore, this argument was a non-starter.

2. Argument re:NLAT being whimsical, arbitrary etc. (due to short notice period) would have required longer time frame for extended arguments. Moreover, this was tried yesterday in Jharkhand HC, albeit by 'different' lawyers, without much success.

3. Therefore, the petitioner's lawyer went with the strongest, most precise argument - NLAT can't happen due to CLAT agreement/MoU.

4. Sadly, the bench 'fell for' as they often do - but the prep for exam/developmental activity etc. is already underway. Though they have set another hearing before declaration of result...

5. ...I, with my limited understanding of how courts work, would caution against much hope. The court has bound themselves in a fait accompli. They'll say something like - "special circumstances - one time - exam already done. Allowed."

6. This will mean that Sudhir and NLS will end up making 4.1 cr. from this blatantly illegal act in this session itself ([i]120/LLB + 60/LLM * 2 lakh fee = 3.6 cr + 35000 applications * 150 application fee = 0.5 cr. Note: all figures apprx[/i]).

7. Over the life of this batch (5 years for LLB and 1 for LLM), this figure will rise to around 13.2 crore ([i]2.4 cr * 5 = 12 cr + 1.2 cr[/i]).

7. Other NLUs, who chose to follow the law, might miss out on this important source of revenue if there is a zero year.

8. Some of us might chose to view this as 'aggressive leadership' on part of Sudhir to save NLS from a huge financial loss, and weakness on part of other VCs. Others migth view this differently.

9. Personally, I think Sudhir's haste was in bad taste.

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Note: Obviously, some money out of that calculated in point 6 will go in conducting the exam.
Money 11 Sept 2020, 16:36
+1 -1
Sorry, are you saying they wouldn't have made the tuition fee if they had stuck with the CLAT? Because that's kind of the opposing side's argument. The other NLUs insist that the CLAT timing will not lead to a zero year.

Also, if all colleges are not going to have a batch this year (as your second point 7 suggests), isn't it better for the students that at least one college does?

At maximum, you can argue an unjust enrichment of INR 150 * 35000 applicants, which is 0.5 crores, and subtract from that the costs of running this exam. Unlike the CLAT, and other individual entrance tests, it's somewhat difficult to argue that a test priced at INR 150 was being done to unjustly enrich the institution.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 17:14
+12 -0
A test priced at Re. 1 would have been unjust enrichment too. Students have already paid CLAT application fees to get a shot at NLSIU. Had this been a jurisdiction where tort law actually works, the university would have faced so many lawsuits by now!
Interested bystander 11 Sept 2020, 17:57
+1 -0
1. I do believe that zero-year is a very real possibility in CLAT. Hence, I calculate the fee that NLSIU stands to make where others might not make any.

2. I accept your suggestion that it might be "better for the students that at least one college does." However, my objection to this is against the online exam with a changed format. I believe that this has the potential to unduly exclude more than an insignificant number of aspirants. I believe that no public university ought to do that even under fundamental altered circumstances.

You may not agree with me in what might be termed as a fool's dream or such like.
Interested bystander 11 Sept 2020, 18:02
+2 -0
PS: Further, I am not arguing unjust enrichment. I didn't even use the term. I just lay down the monetary aspect of the decision. My disagreement with the decision is moral.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 08:56
+10 -2
Sudhir, if you do not stop this farce you are allowing the possibility of a criminal complaint to be filed against you.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 09:44
+6 -1
On what grounds?
Okay 11 Sept 2020, 09:12
+23 -1
Seriously, this is a joke. They can't wait 15 more days but are willing to jeopardize careers of tens and thousands of children. Apparently it's the top law college. XD
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 09:45
+1 -11
Actually, only careers of 120 children since that's how many will eventually get in. And the rest can write the exam next year, hopefully in a covid-free, proctoring-free world.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 09:20
+4 -0
that was crazy and fun.. truly speaking .duh...but also yes it says true.. one of my friend got message at about 1'o clock..is this a joke
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 09:25
+9 -4
Some good ways to cheat. Thank me later.

1. Learn Morse code or devise a system of taps with your helper. The taps should be very soft and made at the door. Just in case the proctor can hear the taps, replace a few taps with sounds that simulate sounds, like a doorbell, bicycle bell or dog bark. If you want to communicate something, use a system of coughs.

2. Ask your helper to slide a sheet of paper under the door with the answer codes. Look down very briefly for the answers, or pretend to cough and then look down.

3. Strap two cellphones to your knees and two under your heels. Each phone corresponds to an answer key (A, B, C and D). Your helper will send an SMS so that the phone vibrates. Your helper should do this for the first 10 questions, in order, spaced by 30 seconds.

4. Apple watch.

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Whysudhir 11 Sept 2020, 09:38
+8 -3
Funny how FM is fighting this. Nalsar has the most to gain from this debacle - it'll get all the meritorious students screwed over by NLAT
Ghanta 12 Sept 2020, 01:58
+3 -1
There's hardly any difference in the "merit" of students who are separated by 2-10 marks in a short exam.
FM awesome. You arent 12 Sept 2020, 04:29
+1 -0
He is a bigger man and not selfish like you.
The Sidemen 11 Sept 2020, 09:41
+7 -0
Honestly speaking it's shambles. They have made a mockery out of the efforts which the students have been putting in since the past 2 years. Nobody has a clue about things and it is a an absolute joke to conduct this exam in such a hurry
Who dhir? 11 Sept 2020, 09:41
+8 -4
Well, the admissions process seems about right for a law school which bent over backwards regarding the process for the end-result of appointing their VC.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 10:00
+4 -1
I got the confirmation email at 2:24pm? What am I supposed to do? This is messed up.
I didn't spent two whole years preparing so hard, daydreaming/fantasizing about being able to study in India's top law college only for all of that to be shattered by some tech glitch.
Gravity 11 Sept 2020, 10:34
+5 -0
Send this to the Supreme Court...
Genuinely, all National Law university aspirants who feel cheated should write a collective mail to the SC, condemning the NLS situation. Might work, might not work but what do you people have to lose...
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:11
+3 -0
This shouldn't be about #CancelMessiah but he is really pushing it.

However, should NLAT go the CLAT 2018 way, then aggrieved students and their parents etc must get the word out in the media and also approach the SC and HCs as was done in 2018. Only then will the wise men (or Iron Men) will do things differently on Sep 16.

Will only say this. Look beyond the obvious.
Top law? 11 Sept 2020, 13:20
+2 -1
So get into a top law school through CLAT. Do you want to go to a place with this admin? Super strict and just enforcing academic rigour? (Barely) conducting NLAT? Look beyond, buddy.
Grammar non-Nazi 11 Sept 2020, 10:04
+3 -0
Kian - Toothing or Teething? Since they are issues and in the multiples..
kianganz 11 Sept 2020, 10:12
+9 -0
Right you are, Mx Grammar Antifa, has been duly corrected!
Hitlersamy 11 Sept 2020, 10:27
+5 -1
LMAO looking forward to hear the experience of the students on the D-Day
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 10:37
+7 -0
During the arguments before the SC, Mr. Datar pressed that NLAT was conducting simulation tests and it needs to be conducted now. This is going to f them in the next hearing.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 11:07
+8 -2
One thing is for certain. NLSIU's perception score is gonna take a beating during next NIRF. Apparently university VCs are mostly asked to rank other places on perception among other things. Anybody want to guess how the consortium VCs are going to vote? NALSAR/NLUD should prepare for the number one rank next year.
Interested bystander 11 Sept 2020, 11:48
+7 -0
Not just VCs, but judges, profs., senior lawyers, non-academic individuals with high social capital (from within and outside the govt.) are all asked to rank for perception score.

NLU VCs form a minor chunk of the total vote.

Most people, outside those intimately connected to the top 5/6 NLUs (in such positions), won't even follow this story. It will hardly affect the perception re:NLSIU enough to cause a drastic change.

If perception scores were affected by VCs, then we wouldn't have had NLS outscoring others by so much on that count when RVR was at the helm.

Again, this is my two cents on the issue. Please disagree if you must.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:22
+4 -1
A PlL should be filed challenging the NIRF perception score methodology.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:21
+1 -6
Rubbish! NLSIU's perception score will not go down, rather it will increase as the college is likely to be recommended for INI status. A meeting of the HRD Ministry is going to take place to increase the list of INIs for 95 to 100, with NLSIU being one of the new additions. And of course you have fabulous placements year after years, prestigious scholarships and fellowships, moot wins etc.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 15:21
+10 -1
Which moot of note did NLSIU win last? Can't remember any in the last 5 years.
Aggs 12 Sept 2020, 07:46
+0 -2
Nls has won plenty recently. The biggest one in the last 5 years was probably winning the Stetson international rounds.
GNLU/NLS 12 Sept 2020, 12:00
+3 -1
Even GNLU has won the Stetson international rounds in the past 5 years. Is NLS = a tier 2 college? At least NUJS won Vis Vienna intl. rounds last year
Guest 12 Sept 2020, 12:19
+1 -1
Really? Stetson? That's what you are going with? Kbro.
bansi 11 Sept 2020, 11:55
+9 -0
wasn't able to give the simulation test
god knows what happens tomorrow!!
oh, yes!!! NLS don't care.
Concerned aspirant 11 Sept 2020, 12:17
+8 -0
This is going to be a disasterclass from NLSIU. I was sent the email for simulation test after the putative reporting time.

Other people have been sent their time slots for the test tomorrow, but, not their credentials. Only 18 or so hours till the exam, this certainly doesn’t seem to be a well-planned thing to me. This, combined with the concerns about the usage of unfair means during the exam, will hurt the integrity of NLAT and NLSIU both. Hopefully, SC intervenes and cancels NLAT, whilst calling out the specious reasoning of a ‘zero year’.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 12:30
+13 -0
Please understand people: this has nothing to do with merit or access. Sudhir's goal is to separate from CLAT permanently and make NLSIU a Jindal clone: high fees, privileged students and a bigger global footprint through QS rankings, students going abroad etc.
Yuck 11 Sept 2020, 13:07
+8 -1
Then he should have stayed at Azim Premji. What was the need to take over a "public" institution?
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 12:40
+3 -1
https://livewire.thewire.in/campus/reducing-diversity-by-reducing-access-the-nlat-way/
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 13:24
+4 -0
Didn’t receive the slot / link for the simulation. Spoke to help desk - they said it was not compulsory and then cut the call.

Again called help desk to be told there are issues they are resolving and I’ll receive the email / sms shortly. Also, the help desk will be accessible till 9 pm.

STATUS NOW - not done simulation. Haven’t received slot for the exam. Help desk no response. Have been sending an email every half hour since evening - no response.

M at wits end and frustrated and disappointed and just want to sit and cry.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:24
+3 -0
@18: The SC must be informed of this. Please write to the legal team for RVR and petitioners.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:17
+8 -0
According to this https://livewire.thewire.in/campus/reducing-diversity-by-reducing-access-the-nlat-way/ NLIU has a trimester system. Saw such a mention elsewhere too. But some commentators disputed that saying that the new VC changed that while dropping "extra courses".

Can NLIU please file a clarification in the SC as well before Sep 16. Because NLSIU lawyers in SC (today) and in Jharkhand HC (maybe in the MP HC as well) kept droning about trimester among other things that makes NLSIU "unique"

If this is a lie then that needs to be busted. Heard enough Gospels. Lies of Messiah need to be busted.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:30
+7 -1
Dear Kian, Sudhir has treated LI shabbily by not responding to your criticisms, while VCs of other NLUs always respond to you. I hope you will now end LI's hero worship of NLSIU. Thanks to you, the perception score of certain NLUs have suffered. I am not complaining as long as you give NLSIU the same negative coverage.
Indeed 11 Sept 2020, 15:11
+2 -12
Actually, some worship of Law School is fair. On every comparable metric, its ahead, most corp jobs (at Day Zero as well as upper echelons of top firms), most Magic Circle jobs (and top partners) foreign PG, top scholarships (Rhodes record will probably be unsurpassed, lately the dip has been due to forced diversity choices of the Rhodes committee; more Inlaks, Tata, Nerottam Seksaria, Fullbright, Chevening etc compared to all other NLUs), litigation (most senior counsel from any NLU), judiciary (most High Court judges from any NLU, Supreme Court will happen sooner than later), UPSC (despite some contest from NLUD's recent batches, Law School is still at the top including the most recent one where the highest UPSC rank ever from an NLU was again a Law Schoolite, leaving all other NLUs in the dust, including bursting the hype bubble of NLUD).

Most of these achievements, especially top scholarships and UPSC are not a function of the fact that Law School had a head-start compared to other NLUs (unlike say for Senior Counsel/HC elevation).

So yeah, Law School is still a league of its own at the top.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 15:59
+15 -1
Enough with the hyperbole. It is not on a league of its own, it is just top ranked in the same league. There is no difference between the average graduate from NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUD etc. other than probably some of them having the same sense of entitlement of being 'in a league of their own'.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 14:45
+3 -0
URGENT: Please see this video on how to cheat using coughs. Is NLSIU is aware of such methods?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIGtLRnGCD4[/youtube]
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 15:21
+9 -0
You can whistle too. Using a pressure cooker. Ask Sudhir for tips.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 17:32
+0 -10
The SC has today given a big slap to haters of Sudhir. These losers and cowards are now running away with their tail between their legs.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 18:32
+4 -0
We are all still here. Would still be here when the next decision of Sudhir's affect his own students even worse. And the next one. Because sure as hell the rest of the world has already witnessed what a circus Law School has become under his stewardship.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 17:38
+0 -17
CLAT-wala NLUs have no aukat to speak against NLSIU. First you win Jessup and produce at least 15 Rhodes scholars, then we will see.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 18:28
+4 -0
How did you guys get to be Harvard of the East without producing a Nobel winner? Clearly rhetoric and argumentation isn't a slave to achievement.

This comment does two things:
1. It shows you guys aren't great argumentation, while at once showing
2. You guys* are nothing but empty rhetoric.

*you guys is not all law school alum or current students, it is used to signify those who believe in superiority of law school based on certain parameters (which have been shown to be gradually even-ing out).
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 18:33
+4 -0
The only person lacking aukat is your anonymous self, especially given that you also lack the sense to figure out that people aren't railing against NLSIU, but one of its alumni. He's the one responsible for this fiasco and harassment of students.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 17:41
+5 -0
VERY IMPORTANT: Someone has tweeted an old video of Sudhir saying home-proctored tests cannot guarantee integrity. I wish the SC had seen this video.

https://twitter.com/KeshavMalpani3/status/1304454425457471493
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 18:35
+6 -0
Why? It's clear Sudhir wants such people only into NLS right now. There he can teach them further over next five years how to decide to backstab a group of people surreptitiously while working with them.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 21:03
+2 -0
Just email RVR or his lawyer Gopal S, strangely fighting for RVR in SC. Or email FM.
Guest 11 Sept 2020, 17:50
+3 -0
NLAT Merit List = Cheaters Hall of Fame. The CLAT ranks of NLAT rankers will prove it.
Realist 12 Sept 2020, 04:33
+2 -1
I think Sudhir's attitude throughout this entire set of events has been very simple and can be boiled down to two words only: So what?
He has taken decisions that he feels are the right ones. He does not really care if you or I agree with him or not. He doesn't need our permission to do what he is doing. Those whose permission he may actually need, already support him. All the other rhetoric about perception, accessibility, rights, discrimination, are just white noise insofar as he is concerned. Let's face it, he isn't wrong in believing that either. He has got the power, the ability to stay in power, and a group of powerful people supporting his cause, whatever that might be. Why would he be bothered about anyone else? Law aspirants should learn this valuable lesson about real life. The sooner, the better. So should existing students. If you want to dictate institutional policy-making, then get to a position from where you can do it. Till then, you may keep protesting all you want, but the powers-that-be would keep doing just what they want. That's how life works.
Guest 12 Sept 2020, 06:23
+1 -0
Doesn't mean we stop voicing our opinions? Doesn't mean resistance has no space? Even with NLAT many incremental changes were made possible by voicing of opinion anti to those of Sudhir.

There is always room in life for the other side. It might not be immediately apparent to all.
Realist 12 Sept 2020, 07:39
+2 -0
Never said people should stop resisting or protesting. Just that false hope should not be there. Hoping for immediate redressal of even legit grievances might be naive. Keep trying, something might happen. Most probably it won't. One RVR gets replaced one Sudhir, the woes would continue in different manner and form.
Guest 12 Sept 2020, 06:18
+0 -4
NLSIU was given the title Harvard of the East by eminent jurists, professors, media etc from around the world, after the college made a splash winning Jessup, Rhodes sholarships etc. It is generally regarded as one of the Big 3 Law Schools in Asia, along with NUS Singapore and HKU Hong Kong. With Sudhir taking over and hiring top faculty things will look up. Thus, the Harvard of the East title is justifiable. But we never coined the title ourselves and do not use it, we believe the NIRF ranking speaks for itself. If others insist on calling us Harvard of the East nothing can be done. But the title is justifiable, as I said. Please do a batch by batch comparison with other NLUs and see if others had even 50% of the success in any given year.
Guest 12 Sept 2020, 07:37
+3 -0
Actually, no. Apart from one or two people and a couple of news outlets occasionally, nobody used that title. Certainly no eminent jurist ever did. As for big law schools in Asia, please don't make me laugh. It is miles behind NUS or HKU in every conceivable metric, and there are a lot of places much ahead of it. Even within the country, it was a lot behind Jindal in the last international ranking that both of them participated in. It's a dinky little unidisciplinary law college. All NLUs are. Don't start getting delusions of grandeur. And yes, please do the batch-by-batch comparison in the last 5 years by all means. You'd get rid of your delusions quicker than one can say Jack Robinson!
Trollhunter 12 Sept 2020, 07:43
+1 -0
Please name 10 eminent jurists who have called NLSIU Harvard of the East in a public forum.
Okay, I am feeling charitable on a Saturday, please name five with evidence/links. Otherwise, I'd dub thee troll.
p.s. Please don't cite examples where it might have been called thus sarcastically.