CLAT technical UX issues cause flood of complaints: Should consortium act or were rules clear? • Full audit trail by 3 Oct

The two arrows point to two parts of the interface that may have tripped up candidates (screenshot from the CLAT mock exam)
The two arrows point to two parts of the interface that may have tripped up candidates (screenshot from the CLAT mock exam)

Potential user experience (UX) issues in the design of the computerised Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) exam 2020 may have caused issues for potentially hundreds of candidates or more.

A flood of vocal complaints from candidates on social media today (1 October) - after provisional scores were released to candidates the previous day (30 September) - had alleged that their scores did not correspond to the questions they had actually answered, with some claiming a discrepancy of 30 or more marks.

Many also claimed that they had received zero marks for many questions that they had answered (correctly).

We have also spoken to more around a dozen candidates and while it is impossible to authoritatively confirm at this point whether this applies to all candidates’ complaints of technical issues, it appears that many of the complaints were caused by the exam’s potentially counter-intuitive and non-standard system of implementing the “mark for review” feature.

In the provisional score software that had been made accessible to candidates, this might have indicated that a candidates had “chosen option” but the status was “Marked For Review” and they received 0 marks for the question (see screenshot below).

Marked for review = 0 points in CLAT 2020
Marked for review = 0 points in CLAT 2020

We had first reported the potential issue with ‘mark for review’ on the day of the exam (28 September).

We had written back then:

Apparently, the exam’s instructions today explicitly noted that any questions “marked for review”, in order to bookmark these and return to them later, would not be counted (even if the candidate had given an answer before clicking the ‘mark for review & next question’ button).

Furthermore, we understand that when returning to answers that had been ‘marked for review’, candidates were also required to first click a button marked ‘clear response’ before clicking on the new answer and submitting it.

If ‘clear response’ was not clicked before submitting the new answer, the system may not have registered the new answer in the way that had arguably been intended by the candidate.

We have tried out the mock test just now, which did appear to accept (and remember) new answers to questions ‘marked for review’, even without pressing the ‘clear response’ button.

We have not been able to confirm whether that was communicated or clarified on screen differently in the final exam.

Update 01:06: As pointed out in a comment below and by several candidates to us directly, it is possible that once you have clicked on an answer and then immediately clicked on another answer (without submitting the answer and without clicking ‘mark for review’), the software may have counter-intuitively frozen the first answer as the one that counts (unless you first clicked ‘clear response’). The instructions are not 100% clear on this (see below), and we have not been able to independently confirm that this is the way the software worked, but have reached out to the CLAT for comment.

Online vs pen and paper

But there is a case to be made, from a user and usability perspective, that the system should also have accepted a click on the big blue “Save & Next” button instead of first requiring a click on a “Clear Response” button.

Likewise, it might be reasonable to assume that a candidate takes a good stab at an answer, saves it and clicks ‘Mark for Review’, hoping to get back to the question later to double check it, and then runs out of time.

Much as for a traditional pen and paper exam, the candidate might reasonably have thought that at least their original answer should count.

In fact, if you used the ‘mark for review’ button as intended, it might be a severe detriment: considering the time pressure, you are unlikely to have the time to actually be able to go back to more than a few questions, since unlike a pen and paper exam that you can quickly skim, going back to each question entails a click on some small icons, which could take a not negligible amount of extra time).

A question of instructions?

Excerpt from the three pages of mock exam instructions (yellow highlighting ours)
Excerpt from the three pages of mock exam instructions (yellow highlighting ours)
While we do not have a copy of the instructions provided to candidates in the exam, we have been able to confirm the instructions provided to candidates in the mock exam (see a full PDF of the instructions below, coming to around three pages of text).

Update 11:04: We have been told from an authoritative source close to the CLAT that the instructions in the final exam were identical to the below instructions given in the mock (except for having removed reference to the ‘calculator’ option).

As the excerpt from the mock exam above illustrates, the mark for review issue was definitely raised in the instructions and (fairly) clearly spelled out that the “mark for review” button would result in zero points if not returned to later.

However, the second part regarding the ‘clear response’ button was expressed less clearly in the ninth and tenth out of the 14 points of instructions provided to candidates (see screenshot below).

How to use the Clear Response button
How to use the Clear Response button

While on a careful reading points 3, 9 and 10 together, they do seem to strongly imply that you need to click the ‘clear response’ button to change your answer.

However, this could arguably have been stated much more clearly, such as by:

  • including reference to the ‘clear response’ button in the third point, which deals with ‘mark for review’, or
  • mentioning ‘mark for review’ again under point 10, preferably in bold.

In any case, it’s fair to say that instructions are fairly confusing.

On the other hand, you could argue that the language and instructions are no more obtuse than that used in terms and conditions, contracts or judgments that the budding lawyers may read one day.

And the mock exam (much like Facebook or other websites with long T&Cs that no one ever reads), also included a very unequivocal checkbox, stating: “I have read and understood the instructions.” (see screenshot below).

An early reading comp section?

While it is possible to chalk this up to a reading comprehension fail by candidates, it is also potentially a fairly understandable one for those used to other competitive online exams, most of which do not follow this kind of format requiring multiple button clicks.

On top of that, the stressful physical exam was held in the midst of a global pandemic. This could have brought with it additional issues that could have negatively affected candidates’ ability to properly parse the instructions before the clock officially started ticking on the exam.

One candidate told us: “In the actual exam, I marked all options for review out of habit. And as I was given a 13:45 reporting time, I didn’t get much time to actually read the instructions; neither did the people at the centre tell us about this.”

“This was unique to CLAT; no other exam does this kind of weird stuff,” they added.

CLAT consortium: Experts to respond by 3 October

We have reached out to CLAT consortium member and Nalsar Hyderabad vice-chancellor (VC) Prof Faizan Mustafa with the above issues.

(Mustafa had taken over the day-to-day management of the CLAT after the 3 September ‘Claxit’ of NLSIU Bangalore, whose VC and CLAT secretary Prof Sudhir Krishnaswamy had been handling the majority of the CLAT’s technical preparations and mock exams until then.)

Mustafa explained, on behalf of the consortium: “We have received many objections. The objections are being examined by the expert committee.”

He said that this expert committee would deliver its report by 3 October to the consortium’s executive committee and possibly also the governing body, and that thereafter the final answer key and (potentially revised) score sheets would be uploaded.

“The online exam has an inbuilt system of generating an audit trail of each and every candidate, which is the most authentic proof of what they really did,” Mustafa noted. “We are examining the audit trail of some of the candidates who have raised objections about the response sheets.”

“But what is the expert opinion of these sheets, we will know once the expert committee [makes its report on 3 October],” added Mustafa.

Specifically regarding the potential ‘mark for review’ issue, Mustafa noted: “It was clearly in the instruction and even in the mock marks were not counted when (clicked marked for review).”

Potential errors in answer key, TBC

The expert committee would also evaluate and recommend by the 3 October which questions, if any would be withdrawn. As in nearly every CLAT year, we understand that candidates have raised issues about at least 10 questions in the answer sheet may have had wrong model answers or potentially multiple correct answers.

We have not yet been able to check all those in detail and it is likely that only a smaller number of those complaints will eventually be accepted.

“The expert committee that will recommend on withdrawal of questions will be ready by 3rd [October], when these will be placed before the executive committee [of the CLAT], and most likely the governing body, and thereafter the final answer key will be uploaded,” said Mustafa.

Auditing the ‘mark for review’ audit trail

It does not seem likely that a court would strike down the exam and order a new re-exam on the basis of the above issues, even if aggrieved candidates were to mount a legal challenge (as some have implied online; we had even been sent one piece of very badly-photoshopped fake news recently, which suggested the CLAT had announced it would hold re-takes).

But even if the legal risk may be limited, the CLAT could theoretically decide to help, though not without raising issues of its own.

If there is indeed an audit trail, which we understand may include a record of candidates’ clicks of the mouse on the exam screen, it should theoretically be possible for the system to automatically identify candidates who may have clicked ‘mark for review’ on every question they answered.

It should even potentially be possible to instruct the system with more complicated rules, which could identify all candidates who may have used mark for review without ever properly returning to the question.

And it might even be able to tell, who had used the ‘mark for review’ button and regularly selected a new answer without clicking ‘clear response’ first, therefore scoring zero across the board.

But while it might be technically possible for the CLAT consortium’s expert committee to retrospectively help all the students who may have technically made a mistake in using the exam software properly, this would also raise myriad difficult and abstract questions.

Notably: - Would it be fair to penalise candidates who did not read or follow the instructions properly?

  • Would it be fair to ‘reward’ or make exceptions for candidates who technically did not follow instructions properly, by awarding them points on the basis of how they thought the exam software worked?
  • What about candidates who may not have had time in the exam hall to read the instructions due to pandemic or other logistical issues? And is it possible to even reconstruct if a candidate had faced such issues?
  • Does having such instructions for using the exam software potentially disadvantage those from less privileged backgrounds, some of whom may have never used a computer and full web-browser before?
  • Alternatively, does it perhaps disadvantage those who have taken multiple other competitive exams that used similar systems and assumed the CLAT software would have worked similarly?
  • Finally, would the decision to make an exception potentially disadvantage those candidates who did follow the instructions properly?

Much like the 2020 CLAT, which was widely reported to be of a higher difficulty than the mock exams, there are no easy answers here.

CLAT 2020 mock exam instructions

Comments

Nivedita Kumari 1 Oct 2020, 18:54
+38 -14
Sir please consider my response as I marked all the questions as marked for review. In my center they don't give much time to read the instructions they just told that go to next page then tick the check box then exam starts. I took a year drop please consider it is was my mistake but please it's about my future please consider it, please I did this out of habit that I do in every online exam , sir please consider it please it's request please I m facing mental trauma for this issue.. sir all my hardwork will be wasted... Please
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:13
+23 -10
For people who are very active on SM platforms specially Insta, the consortium were awfully quiet regarding exam instructions. Not everyone could or did give mocks prepared by them (which were very different from the actual paper)

The consortium should award and deduct marks on questions marked for review and should similarly take the option ultimately chosen as final irrespective of exam guidelines as the candidates were making those decisions on the basis of logic and prior experience.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:17
+30 -70
This is a non-issue. Trust me, just a few candidates are affected and the "mark for review"-type students would not have passed CLAT anyway. What's happening is that a few students with low marks are using this as an excuse to save their face. They are supported by coaching centres (who will use this to explain their low marks).

My advice to these students is to stop causing trouble and face reality. If you do not get into an NLU there are many options: JGLS, Symbi, Amity, GLC, Christ etc.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:34
+41 -12
Very judgemental of you, that. I don’t won’t to argue much because it wouldn’t be of much use, but, your comment is full of unhealthy generalisations and patent untruths.

At any rate, for all their issues with access and diversity, at least private law schools can properly conduct entrance exams.

The consortium had a few extra months and still made a hash of it.

Also, by the way, one does not ‘pass’ CLAT.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 21:03
+5 -3
Sorry, I meant:

*don’t want to
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:13
+8 -1
Did you find any such issues ? I guess not, so when your future is on the line feel free to make the same statement. [...]
Cheers!
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:18
+36 -5
Our issue is that while attempting a question if while pondering over the answer if once I have clicked A but then while being on the same page I think D is the answer and I change it at that very moment and click "save & next" , the response recorded in answer sheet will remain A only.


While I am under a legitimate expectation that I have changed it and marked it as D and saved it the software has apparently frozen A.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:33
+26 -18
I can see lots of tweets claiming mental trauma and one even threatening suicide. I blame coaching centres as well as LI/Bar & Bench for such panic. So much hype is created around a few NLUs, that if someone gets NLU Patiala/Lucknow/Kochi/Patna etc they get very depressed. We need a situation where even if a child gets NLU Ranchi instead of Bengaluru because of a machine error, he is still grateful for that and accepts his fate.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:37
+16 -5
Also if you carefully look at 9 (c) it is clearly written that to change the option chose another option.
9(c) is specifically for changing options
And 9(b) is just for deselecting.

9(b) and 9(c) should have been clubbed and an "and" should have been there.
Veteran 1 Oct 2020, 19:46
+9 -12
To Nivedita and other students feeling sad: please be positive. There is life beyond CLAT. Many non-NLUs are good and better than lower ranked NLUs. See the ranking below by India: so many options! So stop worrying and just forget it. Everything God does he does for the best.

[img]https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/201905/BC-Law-May27-5_large_0.jpeg[/img]
kianganz 1 Oct 2020, 19:53
+24 -5
No disagreement with the sentiment in the comment, though be aware that this is the India Today law school ranking, which has historically also been criticised, so treat with a pinch of salt, like all law school rankings (including NIRF or any that may be left in comments by anonymous commenters):

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/india-today-law-school-rankings-2016-are-out-blablabla-lol-why-no-one-should-care-etc-20160523-7630
Arjuna 1 Oct 2020, 19:55
+26 -5
Well, as someone noted above, most such objections are frivolous. As a teacher, I asked many of my students and some had scored 3 or 4 or 5 marks less than expected, but the narrative is that the consortium has halved their marks, software has glitches and how Mustafa has screwed up.

You have given a very apt summary of the issues and indeed , these are genuine issues. Software was counter-intuitive [...]

This is a systemic issue. Afterall, this happens every year. Despite charging a hefty 4000 for a 2 hour paper, they cannot make an error free paper. I think, they don't spend even Rs. 4000(single student's fee) on making an error free paper.

Fact is that CLAT consortium is not an expert in conducting exams. It screws up every single year. It would be much better if the responsibility for conducting the exam is given to NTA, which has better record and processes. Maybe it will also make the exam cheaper and less exclusionary.

Srikrishnarpanamastu.
Guest 1 Oct 2020, 19:56
+14 -39
#WeWantCLATRetest
K6230 2 Oct 2020, 03:33
+12 -4
Ugh.. Please, stop.
Tired of Clat prep 2 Oct 2020, 05:23
+12 -4
Just don't, man. Please. All those postponements were bad enough. Plus, the issue generally resulted in losing 2-4 marks. Which is bad. Where there is some genuine problem, proper enquiry must be done. But people are indulging in newspeak. Exaggerations. Lies.

Also, don't say "WeWantClatretest".
Not all of us are a part of that bandwagon.
CLAT2020 ASPIRANT 1 Oct 2020, 21:27
+13 -1
I am also encountering a similar problem but the difference being I was careful about the review answer thing. I marked some of the questions for review and I even reviewed them and changed the answers for example there was this question about "what the expression Pekingese Eyes means", earlier I marked its meaning as Red eyes but later changed it to Bulging eyes yet it is showing my answer as Red Eyes. Consortium should really look into this, I reviewed 6 questions and now it is showing the answers which I marked earlier and not the ones I changed them with, these 6 questions are really of much importance to me, they can change the institution which I will get and the subsequent important years of my life.
Thank you so much, Mr. Gantz for highlighting this issue.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:03
+9 -10
Y exam bi NLAT ki jaisa hi conduct hua h . technical issues with others issue bi hua .so exam dubara hona chahia
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:42
Troll
+5 -4
After INI status Law School will leave CLAT and be replaced by KSLU.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:46
+2 -2
Can't the SJA approach the CJI and request that domicile quota be suspended until the Cal HC gives a judgement?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:47
+3 -10
If people have been genuinely affected they can be given a refund, but their marks cannot be increased. Sorry.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 02:21
+3 -0
This is not about money. This is about future.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:50
+3 -1
My comment was censored :( I had posted a pic of Sudhir grinning. LI has no sense of humour.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 02:57
+15 -2
I cannot believe you^ have the audacity to speak for a thousands of people and dismiss their cases as useless and *excuses*. Since you haven't gone through the problem I don't think it gives you any right to speak for the ones who have.
I rightly so remember that I had attempted all the questions and that my score is well above what I have been given. Please don't make rather bold comments, some students will genuinely take it to heart and make hasty decisions. If you don't agree with the discrepancies being true I request you to have patience till further notice by the consortium.
And yes I'm sure there are a lot many private colleges around which are better or the same as NLUs but don't you think that is asking for many students to accept their mere *luck* or *fate* ? To think that I , along with with many others have put in hard work for more than 2 years and to be dismissed due to errors on the side of the management is very tiring and stressful on the minds of the students.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 03:35
+1 -6
For non-NLU options, Careers 360 ranking places JGLS ahead of NUJS, GNLU,NLUJ, NLIU, NLIU, CNLU, HNLU, RMLNLU and MNLU Mumbai. It also places Symbi Pune ahead of NLUO. Then Army Institute, BHU, AMU and Jamia ahead of NLU Ranchi. Then NIRMA ahead of Shimla. Then GLC and Christ ahead of MNLU Nagpur and NLU Assam.

https://law.careers360.com/colleges/ranking.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 04:37
+11 -2
JGLS should have been placed before Harvard. And why is it still an option this year? Didn't they host their precious LSAT and started classes long back? Are you insinuating that they allow back door entry?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 03:47
+3 -8
Coaching centre lobby at work again. Some of the people tweeting against CLAT have fewer than 5 followers and the accounts seem brand new.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 15:52
+0 -1
Yeah almost all accounts I came across joined twitter within the last couple of months
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 03:51
+4 -2
Sir, again as a serious aspirant, i want to take up the issue of "clear response" with you.
Firstly, the mock stimulation of the clat accorded you marks for answers changed without clicking "clear response". Secondly, it is quiet confusing to infer that the "clear response" option requires to be used for all options, even the ones you change through due course of the exam after properly clicking "save and next". Thirdly, it is common exam nomenclature that "clear response" is what you use when you click an option but later do not want to attempt since you're doubtful. And thereby, you "clear that response" and leave the question unattempted. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT point to be noted sir is, the most recent option you save is the one that is displayed on the screen. So, how are students expected to know what the system accepts and what it doesn't. So say, i were to click a, and then click on b and then SAVING b and moving on to the next question, only then would the box turn green. This would in any conventional exam mean that, the most recently saved ans choice was the ans wished to be saved.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 04:48
+18 -2
Consortium bevkoof bana raha
Jab exam karwane ki aukaat nahi online toh karwaya kyu
Mujhe 2 baje system allot hua
2 baje se paper start tha
Kaha hoga kiske pass time instructions padhne ka.
Mai sabhi nlu's ke vc's ko challenge karta hu kisi me dam ho toh 10sec ne pura instructions padh le.
4500rs liye hai koi free me nahi de rahe exam.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:08
+18 -0
I couldn’t understand that in almost 16 months time CLAT Consortium could not make a flawless question paper. What is the future of students on this Universities ?

Consortium should give chances to the students, who have faced problems
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 02:24
+1 -0
Forget about flawless question paper, they gave wrong answers also
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:12
+8 -0
Except CLAT2019, previously also Clat consortium messed up the online exams. Can we take them as competant in conducting online exam ?

They have many time postponed exam for longer days, resulting in NLAT. Aspirants were under stress due to this and in confusion mind. Instead of simplifying the exam system, consortium added further complication by deviating from other on line tests where aspirants are comfortable with. Consortium says they have in built Audit trail system to check the complaints. How you convince the aspirants with your system checking when they dont have the choice to inspect/observe the same. They have to agree with whatever you say without their involement in checking.?
With this problem aspirants who scored less may be appealing and who scored more may be keeping quite. How you will convince both?
In wIchevr case one view this CLAT 2020 is a failure.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:14
+10 -6
This exam should be cancelled and arrange for re
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:28
+14 -19
Those who cannot read and follow instructions properly should not be allowed entry into the NLUs. As simple as that.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:27
+4 -8
Thank you Guest 24 for stating the politically incorrect but factually correct truth. [...]
Masali 3 Oct 2020, 04:12
+2 -0
Guest 23 is congratulating himself as guest 19 lol.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:37
+12 -13
All the students were given the same set of instructions. Most of them followed it. Some of them didn't. Now they are crying about why 'common exam standard' isn't followed, whatever that means. The job of a law student is to absorb a lot of information within a given time, extract the relevant essence, and act on it. If you can't do that, maybe you should consider a different field of study. Snowflakes do not have any place at NLUs. This is not an access related problem either. The wrong/disputed answers are a different matter. A committee has been formed to look into that. They would take the necessary decision. Most entrance exams don't even provide the opportunity of getting an answer key or challenging it. Stop behaving in an entitled fashion.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 06:18
+4 -6
And those who can't agree with the truth just bc they have been benefitted can shove it up their ssa*
ShutUp 2 Oct 2020, 07:46
+6 -2
Most exams? Comparing CLAT with some Chapra University Entrance Test? All the prominent national level exams provide a challenge window along with a response sheet and a provisional answer key (CLAT didn't provide a response sheet during the challenging process), even private engineering colleges conduct their entrance in a way better manner than the consortium.

NLU grads can go to any extent to justify the consortium's fault. There is something called legitimate expectation, tomorrow they will say that cross is tick and tick is cross and you will say that its justifiable because its mentioned in the instructions?
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:30
+0 -4
Actually, yes. What you said about tick and cross is exactly the way logical reasoning works. As for 'challenge window', no they don't. Even UPSC doesn't publish its prelims answer key.
Lol 2 Oct 2020, 05:38
+7 -4
Clatastrophe again! Was really wondering how the consortium could conduct a flawless exam, which is the exception than the norm. Must be challenged in the SC, hope aspirants will be able to crowdfund monies for senior advocates who can take down this exam
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:51
+7 -0
I get the point you are trying to make. I read all the instructions and followed them as given. My given score is still grossly wrong. So don't make hasty decisions about everyone making excuses. There are genuine mistakes. So keep your opinion in yo ssa*
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 06:37
+2 -11
It is grossly wrong because you made mistakes. Nobody owes you any seat. If you think you've been wronged, go ahead and prove that in a court of law. There's only your word to show for that you'd opted for any other option earlier.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 05:43
+12 -1
Has anyone ever filed an RTI to find out how much money the consortium (or earlier conducting NLUs) usually spends on getting the question paper framed?
Guest1 2 Oct 2020, 05:59
+7 -0
The main issue is not the one regarding the “marked for review” option, the instructions regarding this were clearly mentioned in the beginning of the exam, though there seem to be legitimate concerns about not being able to read the instructions.
However, I believe the larger problem is that when a student marks option A and then either immediately switches to b or comes back and switches to B, the system doesn’t record that unless the clear option is used. This was not mentioned in the instructions at all.
It’s sad to see the insensitivity in some of these comments, claiming that people who are raising these issues are merely disappointed by their poor performance. There are hardworking students who have lost 7-10 marks because of this clear option issue and that is not acceptable for an exam that is already so competitive.
Arjuna 3 Oct 2020, 08:54
+0 -0
Actually this too was clearly mentioned and EVERY question had clear option button shown prominently.
Guesty guest 2 Oct 2020, 06:36
+6 -2
I honestly did not experience any score discrepancies but I did recognise errors, a lot of errors in the answer key. I guess what can be done for both the issues at best is that all NLUs increase their intake by 10 - 15% which is a not a very big amount. This will hoepfully ensure that students who wasted thier time on for eg the math set inherently wrong get the respective advantage bec it will liberate the cut off by 5-7 marks I guess. We can't award marks to all or remove these questions as time wasted on those won't be compensated that way.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 06:54
+5 -1
Such impractical solutions! Only people who think university seats are like putting in extra chairs say things like this and exhibit their immaturity.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:38
+3 -3
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY OWING ME A SEAT. I FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS WHICH WERE GIVEN CLEARLY. AND NO I HAVEN'T MADE AS MANY MISTAKES AS IT SHOWS IN THE ANSWER KEY. JUST BC YOU GOT THE CORRECT MARKS OR MORE THAN DESERVED (WHO KNOWS UGH) DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TELL ME THAT I HAVEN'T WORKED HARD. YES I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE STUDENTS WHO SWEARING AT THE CONSORTIUM AND THE RESPECTED PROFS. IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW I WROTE MY PAPER. LETS SAY YOU GOT HALF ALMOST 35 MARKS LESS THAN WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GET AND SOME RANDOME IDIOT SAID IT WAS BC YOU HADN'T WORKED HARD. GUESS ITS ON THE REVERSE NOW. SO PLS STFU.
YEAH RIGHT GO TO THE COURT OF LAW. :)
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:18
+6 -3
Can you please stop using all caps first to make your point? My eyes!
Insider 2 2 Oct 2020, 07:58
+0 -0
Increase in intake is not possible in many NLUs. The hostel accommodation is limited. In some NLUs, it is appaling.. e.g. girls hostel is already overflowing in RMLNLU.
Anonyy 2 Oct 2020, 07:08
+5 -1
tbh, more than the paper, the answer has broken the aspirants, due to the lack of quality and trustworthy resources available for preparation, we had to resort to gmat, sat and cat resources to prepare for logical and comprehension section, where it was essential to learn to choose the "closest possible" correct answer. and this pattern of reasoning was also adopted in clat sample papers, so we knew what we were doing was pretty much in line with how we were going to be tested. the paper was fine, it was a beautifully set, fairly difficult and a confusing paper, and a well prepared candidate (obviously advantaged because his privleged schooling) would clear. yet the answer key was served on a platter to those who probably just sat for the paper without preparation. among the options, both an option which would feel right to the candidate who's done shallow reading of the passage, and an option that is most likely to be selected by a candidate who knows that extra information beyond the passage is NOT to be tested were present. and the former was essentially the answer key. kids who scored over 95 percentile in LSATs have scored in low 70s, and it wont be fair to say they were bad at reasoning. there are such 20+ odd questions which can be highly contentious, but why would the consortium risk the credibility of the exam by altering the answer key to such an extent? the entire preparation feels like a waste now mostly because we never learnt what to do, to stick to the passage, to not stick to the passage, to negate extra information, or consider outside information, nothing.
No problems w clat 2 Oct 2020, 07:24
+3 -4
Stop cribbing. If you think LSAT is a superior exam, you can join JGLS. Don't fault someone else for your lack of. prep
Guesty guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:41
+4 -0
You're right I strongly agreee
Lsat 2 Oct 2020, 10:52
+4 -2
Bruh I got 99.8% in LSAT 2016 but didn't make it through CLAT. Just because someone did well on LSAT doesn't mean they should automatically get a seat at an NLU. The LSAT is ridiculously easy
No problem with clat 2 Oct 2020, 11:44
+0 -6
Ha, your privilege is showing @LSAT. You must belong to tier 1 English speaking crowd. You have no locus to comment on what is easy and what is not. Good day
Lsat 2 Oct 2020, 12:23
+4 -0
Okay great I admit I have privilege. Does this take away from my response to the original comment that said people who got 95+ in LSAT didn't do well in clat so there must be something wrong with clat? No it does not :) Maybe get better at reasoning and extrapolation, you may find lsat easier
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 13:35
+3 -0
But why should those who does well in exam-1 also do well in exam-2, esp. given the varied character of substance and form of question?
Anonyy 2 Oct 2020, 18:39
+3 -2
I am not demanding a retest, and clat is fairly along the lines of lsat now, the only thing varying about the exam is the format it follows, both test reasoning which cant be SO subjective that it can account for an odd 40 mark depreciation on the day of the actual exam. These kids also scored well in consortium mock tests held in a proctored manner when coachings were open, CLAT is no beacon of inclusivity if LSAT is for the ridiculously privileged. The problem is the variance in the manner in which both sample paper and actual exam's answer key has been published. Unless the Consortium can beyond a reasonable doubt prove why A B C can not be the correct answer while D is (in contentious questions), this exam's key is flawed, and retest or no-retest, the kids HAVE been wrong and unless you can compensate for them, stop putting down people because your stupid reasoning falls in life with a stupid answer key.
Okay 2 Oct 2020, 12:02
+9 -2
Those demanding retest: I agree some of you may have been wronged (not all because some are just inflating what marks they would have got and taking advantage of the situation of the actual aggrieved). But if you read consortium's statement 400 mails have been sent to them and they are auditing those. If matter persists, go to court. But why a restest for rest 66000 people? I mean that's just kick in the face for those who have actually scored well after months of postponements. That takes a mental toll on them too. And even if people are given a choice for retest - who's to say those who just have scored poorly won't take advantage of the situation? They'll again get a second chance. So retest is not an option.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 02:41
+0 -0
Does any one expect that consortium will agree their mistake. How you accept their rechecking without involvement of aggreved party or at least a third parry. Is this transparent process. Is this not just eye washing.let consortium clarify thiz.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 07:23
+4 -0
If a PIL is filed seeking a retest will you support it? If not, then that means you perhaps did not suffer as much as you are claiming.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 07:26
+0 -8
Some law aspirants are crossing all limits. One girl called Devyani has tweeted to Prof Faizan Mustafa using F-words.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 07:47
+9 -0
Was she referring to him as Faizan? The nerve of her!
Hahahha 2 Oct 2020, 07:39
+5 -2
CLAT was going very well till August when Sudhir was in charge. After TLC-mafia took over, the same problems seen in CLAT 2016-18 have returned. [...] Younger administrators like Sudhir are way better in touch with modern pedagogical tools like online exams, given their exposure to globally leading places like Harvard and Oxford. My humble request is that TLC-product administrators should listen to people like Sudhir on these issues, please. TLC administrators’ skills are in dealing with state government and bar councils, please do that (people like Sudhir should defer to their wisdom on those issues, of course). But let the next generation lead, instead of a cabal at the NLU Consortium.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:28
+3 -2
Yes, we all saw the fiasco that 'young NLU hotshot Sudhir' did with NLAT. Quit your whining and open your own university and head those with whoever you want. Sudhir is like Jon Snow. He knows nothing about running a university. He's made that clear in the last year.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 08:32
+3 -2
Going very well till August? How do you know? The test of an exam is on the day that it is held, o wise guy. And we all saw the mess that Sudhir produced, whether as part of CLAT or his own NLAT. He was worse than any of the other NLU VCs in their handling of the situation, which is why the Supreme Court gave him a drubbing.
Truthq 3 Oct 2020, 11:36
+0 -1
Well, because the mock tests were of a very high quality. There were enough guides and advisories officially issued and publicised by the team run by Sudhir, they had great linktrees etc. All of that gone to waste after TLC-product NLU VCs took it over and bungled this whole exam. I think a sincere apology is owed to Sudhir.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:15
+0 -1
Yes, that's why the exam Sudhir held all by himself was full of holes and was struck down. His lack of competence is out for everyone to see. On the contrary, the audit committee has found no tech glitches at all in CLAT. Goes to show who is more competent.
Truthq 4 Oct 2020, 06:08
+0 -0
NLAT was struck down for different reasons. No one is defending Sudhir for that ego trip. But there is no disputing the fact that he was fixing CLAT up to a world standard exam (till August). Old guard VC's couldn't stand it, and the moment they retook control of CLAT, they bungled all of it. What a shame.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 06:34
+0 -0
What rubbish! World class exam indeed. One has seen what a disaster NLAT has been. Anybody who conceived and executed it doesn't have the competence to conduct any national level exam. Sudhir Bhakt spotted, to whom the Messiah is like a holy cow.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:32
+2 -2
This is why Prashant Reddy was right all along in his tweets. It hurts NLSIU's prestige to be a part of CLAT. NLAT did not succeed only because the software enabling the takeover of the computer was not allowed, because people complained it has to be compatible with desktops etc. From next year, when an off-line NLAT will be possible, NLSIU must leave CLAT. Let KSLU under VC Ishwar Bhat join CLAT. That is the standard suitable for CLAT.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:48
+4 -0
NLSIU was a big failure in conducting its own exam. It has got no good faith basis to demand anything from CLAT at present. The biggest blow to the prestige of NLSIU in the past decade has been struck by their own VC and administration lately.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:37
+4 -7
I have not seen a single report on Bar & Bench or LiveLaw on the so-called CLAT failures. Typical of LI, trying to stir up student mobs in an effort be popular. I am yet to see a single LI article which is pro-admin. Kian should join the communists and become a trade union leader.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 09:49
+2 -3
Easier to do it here, no? People do not have to divulge their identity and even one person can make multiple comments disguised as different affected students.
More 2 Oct 2020, 09:42
+4 -3
It is absolutely abominable that the CLAT committee charges 4000 rupees, is a supreme court granted monopoly on entrance tests, and has zero accountability towards students for getting this right.

The NLS entrance exam, for all its follies, impacts less students, because if you don't get in to NLS because of a crappy entrance test, you've still got other affordable quality options. It was also for 500 rupees!

CLAT actively undermines the ability to exercise these choices by filing proxy writ petitions against exams like the NLAT, and then does a distastrous job in conducting its own exam (historically, this happens every single year).

When the common entrance test was first ordered by the SC, the individual exams were particularly expensive, and not online. If 8 different colleges were to do 500 rupee exams (like NLAT), that's got to be better than 1 CLAT (because you're not screwed by just having one bad day, and you're not screwed just because one set of administrators didn't care enough to set a decent test)

NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, should really get out of the CLAT and do their own exam. Do it now, for next year, so none of the legitimate expectation arguments arise. Do it with the relevant permissions of the Academic and Executive Councils, and then let's see how the CLAT defends its existence.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 10:14
+5 -0
This is certainly not a bad idea. While some of the reaction against CLAT appears far-fetched, there are certainly sufficient genuine issues of concern too. The conducting of the exam was thankfully glitch free this time around, but the issue of the wrong questions never seems to end! I fail to see why the committee that would be looking at disputed questions now couldn't have done so before the exam with all the questions! I mean, how difficult is that? Takes 24 hours even if done really slowly and carefully. The time might have come for the NLUs to seek individual options. The consortium refuses to learn from its mistakes. Frankly, NLSIU isn't any better either. But the solution would not be for Covid time only, but on a long term basis. So even if people get back to the pen and paper format from next year, that would eliminate the technical issues, but the paper quality would remain a concern.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:42
+1 -4
@36: it's fine if NALSAR, NUJS and NLUJ do their own exam, but please do not put Law School in their category, The Karnataka HC as clearly stated that NLSIU is not like other law schools
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 13:39
+2 -0
Of course it isn't. It sucks the most when it comes to conducting entrance exams, as shown by latest evidence. It is also run by a megalomaniac.
More 2 Oct 2020, 13:54
+0 -1
Assuming you're not trolling, I meant each do their individual exam. They're all quite unlike each other or the others.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 11:06
+1 -3
i am a aspirant who scored 60mark in this clat exam. out of 73 queation of gk and law i got 52 marks and remaing maths i got 4 marks which is correct no issues .npw funny side is i attempted almost all queation of english and reasoning wand i got only 4out of remaining 62 .All are saying g.k and law is tough in this exam and o got bulk of markes in both.on 28th when answer key is released by my calculation 22 and 21 i correctly solved of reasoning and english....i never used mark for reviw option because not that good in computer..how os this poasible that i am so much wrong even of i solved 100s of mocks and there in my analysis there is a gap of 2-5%.i requeated considurim to do my audit trial so that i satisfied

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Guest 2 Oct 2020, 13:37
+5 -0
Beta, aapki angrezi chaar layak hi lag rahi hai.
CS candidate 2 Oct 2020, 11:59
+4 -1
This is not a CLAT issue. I gave the CS Executive PRE exam on the same TCS Ion software last month and in that also in the instructions it was clearly stated that marked for review will NOT be counted as answered. This is different from the earlier version of the TCS Ion software when I gave my CLAT exam, wherein marked for review anwers were counted as answered. I empathise with the candidates but I do not see consortium being able to offer any relief which won't be challenged in the courts.
CLAT? 2 Oct 2020, 12:09
+0 -0
Do you mean the earlier version of TCS Ion in CLAT or CAT?
istg if another ugh 2 Oct 2020, 14:00
+2 -0
How easily you say refund of fees is going to help us with the fact that we've been wronged wow sir :)
CS candidate 2 Oct 2020, 15:42
+0 -0
CLAT Bro
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 12:50
+1 -3
You people must agree to any one of these options or keep quiet. As it is, you all have severely damaged your case by using vulgar abuses on social media, including against the respected NALSAR VC . People with such lack of manners and respect are not welcome in any NLU.

Option 1: Retest IF you lost a place in an NLU because of this.
Option 2: Fee refund IF you lost a place in an NLU because of this.

Otherwise you can to to JGLS, Symbiosis or Amity.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 13:41
+3 -0
How would it be determined if one has lost a place because of this debacle, genius? People only have got their own word for what they might have attempted originally. You haven't ever seen the inside of any law school ever, so go and study instead of making random comments.
istg if another ugh 2 Oct 2020, 14:08
+3 -0
[...]
Idk how they're gonna do it. I didn't get paid for it [...]. When I paid for it I expect fair correction. FYI my elder brother studied in NLSIU so don't go on telling me how it works around there. Buddy keep it going :) [...]
Guest1 2 Oct 2020, 13:00
+4 -4
My ward also appeared in this test .He also left few questions for review and change answers of them .We checked it and found correctly that changed answers have been taken .yes he also got few marks less than expected but we accepted it as human error and in intense pressure of exams, he might have gone wrong at that moment and while checking answers in home environment, the correct answers seems close and real .The question is how many students registered complaints. Even in telegram channel some administrator are not ready to accept facts and deleting comments of students, who did not faced any issue .Yes ,if something is aggrieved, he should inform consortium with facts and every question is well recorded and surely they will get justice .Paper was tough ,no doubt and in an aptitude test ,state of mind matters a lot ,since Gk was offbeat .
istg if another ugh 2 Oct 2020, 13:59
+9 -2
OK you know what lemme explain what went wrong and what my problem is and what isn't.
>THE PAPER-There was nothing wrong with the paper, I found it particularly standard according to the level of usual
CLAT papers. The paper was entirely FINE.
>THE PATTERN- Again not a problem we all had adjusted to it well enough
>THE CONDUCTING OF EXAM- perfect at least in my center, I didn't find any glitches per se

THE ACTUAL PROBLEM
>THE ANSWER KER AND PROV. KEY- In my case I had attempted all 150 questions so there is no doubt of the computer marking answers for me. But almost 34 questions have been marked wrong, despite the fact that I followed the instructions very clearly with the whole "Mark for review" and "Clear response" thing. So don't tell me that I don't "deserve" NLUs bc I hadn't "read the instructions".

The students who have secured good marks as per their "expectation" won't obviously say anything against it because they are legit "SAFE&SECURE" with their marks. So when the problem isn't about you, you are obviously not going to do anything about it. Had it been you guys in the other way, imagine some random person came up to and said you don't deserve it. The hypocrisy - ugh nobody wants it.
Dude even I don't have the intention to re-write the test neither do I want to.
Stop comparing CLAT to other exams.
I don't support the people who are hurling abuses at the respected professors and Institutions which have been est. long back have a great amount of respect for them. Neither did I do it.
I only want the people who deserve to get the actual marks get it. Also it would help people if you guys could legit stop generalizing everything to your whims and fantasies. Just because your happy with your marks doesn't mean you let others not speak up of the wrong being done.
Now don't go on and say "Had I been in your place I would have accepted my fate and let go and try for Private institutions blah blah blah.." We all know that's not true, never would have been.
I'm not going to let some random 6 people tell me what work I had put in and if I deserve it or not. I'm sure neither of you guys want to hear that. So please let people get marks for what they have written and not some gross error due to technology.
Do I blame the consortium for this? To an extent yeah I do, but not the kind that I'd go swear on them, so people don't do that either. not gonna help us.
WTF 2 Oct 2020, 14:53
+1 -1
What The F(aizan)!
CS candidate 2 Oct 2020, 15:41
+0 -0
Dear, I said relief not refund. Relief can encompass various measures.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 03:03
+3 -0
No dude. I'm pretty sure everyone's tired of this bs nobody wants to write it again. I don't want to at least. I just want the marks I was supposed to get. I'll get going after that. I really don't care about the patterna change,or anything else. I want my marks to be correct. That's it. I'm so tired. I don't even feel like breathing right now. It was so tiring.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 17:56
+1 -3
Let's just have a retest, which anyone choose to take/not take. That's the fairest outcome.
Okay 2 Oct 2020, 18:34
+4 -1
No. That's not. People who actually messed up their paper will get the benefit. They would have a chance to write it twice. It will be unfair to those who actually worked hard amidst the postponements.
Guest 2 Oct 2020, 20:46
Troll Contested
+3 -7
#CLATRetest is trending and it is the only solution. I am sharing some tweets which want it and a YouTube video by an RGNUL alum arguing for it. Many emails have also been sent seeking a retest. If all goes well, CLAT will be cancelled and a retest will take place for all. 99% of students now want a retest

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPOxQEhQAwg[/youtube]

https://twitter.com/YashJasuja4/status/1311676413112590338
https://twitter.com/AdiSadashiv/status/1311682262283427848
https://twitter.com/SharviiS/status/1311754968232153088
https://twitter.com/niranjan253707/status/1311856572520259584
https://twitter.com/oyekoki/status/1312080396960505856
https://twitter.com/Meenakshi_2002/status/1312028329130692609
Observer 4 Oct 2020, 04:25
+1 -2
mass mentality of some students and some very average coaching centres added fuel to this whole episode . It is fact that answers of every question is difficult to remember. Most of the students were used to the interface of the coaching centres and they made mistakes of not reading instruments while giving consortium mock or during exam .This is still a small numbers as only 400 complaints were received.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 05:31
+1 -0
That's around 0.006%, so according to pundits here, the exam must have been a colossal failure!
Ugg 3 Oct 2020, 08:11
+4 -0
Some students has also issues like - in some questions that they did not attempt, the answer sheet shows that they had selected an option. And then some questions say the candidate selected 'a', but the answer sheet shows that he/she had marked 'd'. This cannot be explained by the "Mark for Review" fiasco. Seems like a glitch. Kian, please investigate this further.
Guest 3 Oct 2020, 12:13
+2 -3
None of those is authentic. What's the proof that the candidate had selected any other option earlier? The audit has clearly showed that even in case of changes, the last selected option has been accepted. Case closed.
Ugg 3 Oct 2020, 16:33
+1 -1
Yes, but in cases the candidate did not change the answers. Even then. If someone's 50+ answers are recorded wrongly, then surely something is wrong with their system. Maybe someone else's answers are being shown against that candidate's name?
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 05:10
+1 -0
As consortium conducted CLAT2020 centre based why it is conducted as on line test, why not paper based. Just to play as you wish.
Consortium says they have checked 150 complaints and they have not found any mistakes. Who witnessed this? Your self? Is this transparency? Without involvement of complainants.
You say the audit trail will be submitted to court.you r instigating aspirants to go to court. Is it possible to all aspirants to go to court. You are taking advantage of your position where public money will be utilised to fight your case.
Instead, why cant you send audit trail to those who complained? Will it not clear their doubts or is there anything to hide.

Instead of solving the problem in a transparent way, consortium is busy praising each other just to satisfies their ego. This is like parents telling my child is only supreme. Which child is supreme will be decided by the society.

CLAT 2020 is a failure with lots of doubts left. Mainly due to wrong questions and answers and due to confusion prevailed in instructions to aspirants and non clarity in clauses.
At least CLAT 2021 on wards should be paper based as consortium is failing every time when on line tests conducted. CLAT 2019 was very much successful.
It is widely oberved by all that all is not well in consortium which resulted in NLAT and so many present and previous players locked their horn. If these ego clashes are not contained and tests are conducted like this surely in future each NLU's will opt out of consortium.



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LOL 4 Oct 2020, 06:11
+0 -1
"Sudhir failed at conducting NLAT 2020", "TLC VCs are better administrators". Any more such nonsense masquerading as nuggets of wisdom? The fact remains that this CLAT 2020 implosion is the sole fault of the TLC VCs who couldn't stand a young high-achieving administrator like Sudhir taking charge, who did everything they could to frustrate his reforms. To everyone who was happy to attack Sudhir, all I say is "as you sow, so shall you reap".
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 06:32
+2 -0
Sudhir did fail at NLAT and displayed remarkable insensitivity to the plight of thousands of students. The fact that the consortium didn't behave ideally does not absolve him of his sins, no matter what Bhakts like you keep claiming. 'Frustrate his reforms' indeed. Which reforms would that be? Lying to the consortium about his EC resolutions, declaring a national exam with 7 days of notice, or adopting a format that led to less than 30% candidates actually appearing for the exam and encouraged cheating? It's like the Germany of old, no matter how bad a step Sudhir takes, his Bhakts can't help cheering for it. He's a sub-par administrator and he's caused the institutional reputation to suffer because of his personal antics. Of course, since he doesn't know enough law to follow even his own institutional regulations and tries to bypass his own AC, his actual commitment to the institution is questionable. Sudhir only looks after himself.
LOL 4 Oct 2020, 06:52
+0 -2
Well, in this context, his reforms in re CLAT itself. Prior to September, Sudhir was at the forefront of updating CLAT to be a modern entrance exam up to global standards. More critical thinking focused, less so on rote learning. Reducing the number of questions, but have more thoughtful/deeper questions. To this end, Sudhir's team put out multiple mocks, with detailed answer keys that explain the thought process behind each question. It was a welcome change for aspirants who were used to irresponsible plagiarised question papers, as was the case in previous CLATs. Couple that with the original Sudhir plan of a pen-and-paper test, it would have been a wonderful test had Sudhir been allowed to follow through. No one is defending NLAT, but we should see that in context of a remarkable scholar like Sudhir being pushed into a corner repeatedly by the TLC-mafia who were blocking every single initiative for positive change. Now that Sudhir was not leading the effort (post the SC-verdict), the TLC-mafia are more than happy to reassert control. At the same time, their incompetence is out there for all to see. CLAT is imploding in real-time. At least now, the Sudhir haters and those jealous that NLS has the most-qualified and highest profile of all NLU-VCs, should introspect and acknowledge their unfair treatment of him.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 07:21
+2 -0
CLAT is certainly not imploding in any manner. Out of 68000 applicants, 400 complaints have been received. As for your completely unfounded claims of Sudhir turning CLAT into a 'global exam' and all, we have seen how he has failed in his own exam. That's what his standards are going to be judged by now. You keep trying to portray Sudhir as the misunderstood victim here. He's actually the culprit. As for your claims of him being a 'world-class scholar', lol! His list of international publications does not go to even double digits. You keep singing his eulogy all you that you want, you are fooling nobody.
FLAT 4 Oct 2020, 06:39
+2 -0
LOL: Joke of century. Fact is that blame for alleged bungling CLAT hast to be laid straight at feet of Sudhir.

He was running the exam until 3 September, selected vendor, chose platform, coordinated mocks etc. After he abandoned all norms of professionalism (and legal norms as per the Supreme Court of India) by quitting CLAT without any notice or warning the other VCs had to take over from him at the last minute while he was busy organising the clusterf*ck of NLAT and didn't even lift a finger to help the CLAT anymore other than wasting their time in the court and causing stress to aspirants.

This is the charitable interpretation. If someone "happy to attack Sudhir", whose honour you are defending even though no one asked, they would accuse Sudhir of having taken his actions on purpose to sabotage the CLAT right from the start and to ensure he could get away scot-free started the NLAT and leave them with the CLAT mess he caused to disadvantage other NLUs against NLS.
LOL 4 Oct 2020, 08:01
+0 -0
Wow, so Sudhir and his team's tireless efforts for 8 months to revamp CLAT into a global-standard legal aptitude and critical-thinking test was "actually an attempt to destroy CLAT from within"? Just wow. I can't believe you would think the whole world is foolish enough to believe that. Like I said, obviously Sudhir shouldn't have tried the NLAT stunt - it was just runaway egos and arrogance (but not just him, anyone who is in the know of things, as I have closely been, the VCs of some of the other NLUs were far worse than anything you could accuse Sudhir of).

If anything, Sudhir and his team had been so devoted to CLAT revamp, that they obviously came out with a sub-par test for NLAT at short notice. So, this bungled CLAT 2020 is the sole responsibility of the TLC-VCs currently running the show.
FLAT 4 Oct 2020, 08:22
+0 -0
@LOL troll now identified + confirmed. In second part I obviously gave view of what some hypothetical person of your invention "happy to attack Sudhir". The reality without a personal attack against Sudhir was reflected in my first paragraph.

If Sudhir organised a sub-par test for NLAT, it was not because he was devoted to CLAT but because the "short notice" he gave himself to try and avoid any legal challenges was only 10 days. Unless you are alleging he had been preparing for the NLAT in secret for several months while also preparing the CLAT, which explains the shoddy job on both exams.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:44
+0 -0
"Global standard legal aptitude and critical thinking test"? Lol the troll, you have got absolutely no clue about what the global standards are. Assuming Sudhir had been responsible for his NLAT questions, they were hilarious attempts to tag current affairs and quant questions forcibly to passages that they had no relation to. I understand it might have seemed good based on your personal standard. 'Global' it wasn't.
LOL 4 Oct 2020, 09:26
+0 -0
I mean the standard of the CLAT mocks that were put out by Sudhir & team. Obviously not the rushed NLAT, which I have repeatedly said is indefensible. But, this CLAT fiasco is 100% the fault of the TLC-mafia, who are now paying the price for attempting to frustrate the paradigm shift in quality that Sudhir was bringing to the CLAT.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 10:07
+0 -0
Did your precious Sudhir complain about the paper quality after he rejoined the consortium? He didn't. So he's equally to blame along with other VCs for the CLAT fiasco. Who told you the mock papers had been prepared by Sudhir? Had that been the case, why did he deviate from that pattern for NLAT? You would have got less than acceptable marks in logical reasoning and more than full marks for being a troll and Bhakt. Paradigm shift in backstabbing and incompetence is all that Sudhir has introduced.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 06:23
+0 -0
Convocation fees: NLSIU students cry foul

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/karnataka/2020/oct/04/convocation-fees-nlsiu-students-cry-foul-2205583.html
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 06:39
+2 -0
Yet another example of Messiah's brilliant administrative skills. Doubtless people like 48.1 would immediately start shouting about how this is the hallmark of efficiency and how the students are fortunate enough to be robbed blind by Messiah and his Hand.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:22
+0 -0
Don't make everything about Sudhir. There was a larger plan at work for a long time, involving alumni, to separate NLSIU from CLAT and have it declared as an INI like IIT. The Karnataka HC case is part of the strategy.
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:41
+1 -0
One question though. Central government isn't going to give any fund to any NLU anytime soon including NLS. State isn't going to any more if Sudhir proceeds with alienating the Karnataka government any further. Where are the funds going to come from? Sudhir is going to demand graduates of all NLUs pay their absentia convo fees to him every year now along with his own students?
Guest 4 Oct 2020, 08:54
+4 -0
Sudhir-wala bhakton ki
Bas ek hi sapna
Messiah ka naam japna
Aur student ka dhan aapna!

Cases in point: 50% NLAT money, poof! Robbing students by deducting fees for a convo that is never taking place. Taking away institutional scholarships for poor students. Messiah is sitting on Facebook oversight board, but who is sitting on the board having oversight over his actions? It seems funny that despite Facebook being hauled up for one ethical violation and another, they have found one man for the oversight board who himself is getting a reputation for his admin lapses.