Have patience, my friend. The Supreme Court will uphold the Karnataka High Court ruling implying that Law School is a class apart and other law colleges are state law universities. You can be sure of it. After that, Claxit and INI status.

You can take it next year, with full safety and all vaccinations for all the diseases you might get by taking a 2 hour exam

When did it implement it to begin with? Did the 2020 intake include the quota even after the HC decision?

Old news, both. These have been mentioned in the comments section quite some time back.

Not that the SC has any power to determine the legislative nature and status of any institution, or that there can be any creature called national institute of eminence under the current framework (I am guessing you punched INI and IOE together), but what I am more interested to know is that where you saw any comment hating NLSIU in this thread yet.

If it is all that different, then why is it still using the same entrance exam, keeping broadly the same course structure and syllabus, competing with the other NLUs in the same fields like moot courts, jobs, higher education etc.? It should be doing something revolutionary and novel instead, no?

Even I heard this. whats the point when the student does not want to come forward and why speak after such a long time.

Kian you either remove this comment or do a story in it. Can't keep coming back to see this.

this is the comment that has opened the floodgates haha

Is this about X and Y 'hugging' while the VC was speaking to the student body about the Covid situation in March/during Carpe diem. The meeting between students and administration was to talk about the need to suspend University so that people could safely socially distance at home.

The VC moved out from the stage to physically pull X away from Y. Boohoo ensued. Apologies were made (for good knows what - assault?).

How's this sexual harassment exactly?

[quote]Two students, presumably residing in different places outside the university don't really care and would rather indulge in last minute PDA before going without it for next few months.[/quote]


True, i agree with your point and in such a situation a 6 feet 3 inches, 59 year old man has been bestowed with a divine right to get physical.

Back in the day when some nalsar girls were in the city, this happened . https://www.firstpost.com/india/media-harassment-of-nalsar-students-how-can-it-be-prevented-703758.html

Today something not as terrible but in similar lines has happened inside the campus itself and you are trying to normalise it?

Thank you, #11. Needed to be said. The wokies are the real fascists.

You dont touch someone without their permission. The first thing that you need to learn. Pulling and pushing is the worst. If it were not for the person who commented in the first place, this matter was gone forever. This website is much more open space than these so called law schools.

Dude you spam some other thread. This is already taken over by nalsar people.

The relevant rules have been followed. If you and your uneducated state law minister pal want the TMC goons to decide what the rules are, then that's a different thing altogether. IQAC does not decide faculty recruitment. You should learn some rules yourself. No post that has not been approved has been advertised for either. Keep your propaganda for the elections, and leave the university alone. You seem to belong to the cohort of Rather Particular and the Law Minister and everyone knows what sort of people associate with the likes of those. It is because of your like that the university is losing faculty and not gaining new people. People like you can only cause places to rot from the inside and never build something positive.

The only reason the recruitment got stalled is because Law Minister wants to get in some TMC Partywallahs masquerading as faculty and Rather Particular wants more people like him to lord over. Instead of alumni and others with good qualification who have applied long back in August, but who won't tow the party line and who laugh at Rather Particular in his face for his antics. Those people would mostly go to other places like NLSIU and Jindal because of this deliberate delay and stonewalling done by these nefarious elements in the EC.

I thought the ad said 6 new people?

Right, because heckling is just what students should do. Your lack of education is showing.

Here is the link for the faculty positions which have been recently advertised by NLSIU. The deadline for submitting the applications is January 24, 2020. There are 2 positions at the level of Professor (Law), 1 position at the level of Associate Professor (Law), 6 positions for Assistant Professor (Law) [4 permanent positions and 2 contractual positions] and 1 position for Assistant Professor (History). They have also advertised administrative positions for the Registrar and Finance Officer.
https://www.nls.ac.in/news-events/call-for-applications-faculty-staff-recruitment/

There is no automatic preference for alumni. For the higher positions (Professor & Associate Professor) candidates with strong records in teaching and research will be considered. The competition for the Assistant Professor positions is likely to be intense and it is obvious that candidates with credible scholarly publications and effective speaking skills have a better chance. Those without UGC-NET can apply for the 2 contractual positions.

Oh please. FM hasn’t hired anyone nls would even consider at this stage. Many of those positions were people already working at nalsar getting promoted. If he had hired anyone special he would’ve put it in the press. Last time nalsar hired a couple of alumni as TAs they put it in the press.

The only place that FM is ahead of SK is in his own dreams, and the cult of folk who follow him on YouTube.

Lol. FM is only ahead if you are counting attrition. The number of people who have run away from nalsar the last few years and the number of faculty still there who are planning to leave as soon as they get scale is silly.

Nalsar really does have good PR though.

Sahana Ramesh too, ex-NUJS.

De-fault clearly lies with you. How can we block you?

And yet none of those comments are being taken down, despite all your reports. That should have been enough to give you a hint. Clearly, you are way past redemption.

Here is the authentic information about the recent faculty hires at NALSAR. I am posting this here after corroboration with current faculty members. The profiles on the website will be updated when the new semester starts in January 2021. Based on the interviews for permanent positions conducted in November 2020, the following appointments have been made:
- 2 Professor (Law) positions have been offered to Dr. Pushp Kumar (Delhi University) and Dr. Yogesh Pratap Singh (NLU Odisha). Dr. Pushp Kumar will be joining in January 2021 while Dr. Yogesh Pratap Singh is currently serving as the Registrar and Interim VC at NLU Odisha, so he is expected to join around June/July 2021 after he hands over charge to the new Vice-Chancellor and Registrar appointees in Cuttack. So both are lateral hires.
- Dr. Neha Pathakji who has been teaching since 2009 has been promoted to Associate Professor (Law). Dr. Pinaki N. Pattnaik and Dr. Y.V. Ramana Murthy have been given permanent positions as Associate Professors for Management after having taught in ad-hoc positions for 6-7 years. They are largely responsible for the M.B.A. programme and rarely teach the B.A.,LL.B. students. From external candidates, Dr. Anirban Chakrabarty has been offered a position at the level of Associate Professor.
- The Assistant Professor appointments have also been in the Management Stream, with the existing ad-hoc teachers (Rahul Gandhi, Praveen Munukuntla, Swati Mathur, Ashis Panda) being regularised. So these are effectively internal appointments.

Interviews are yet to be held for the Assistant Professor (Law) positions that were advertised earlier. If and when FM holds the interviews for these positions, the existing ad-hocs who are in line include Varun Malik (Contracts and Civil Remedies), Vivek Mukherjee (Environmental Law and International Law), Alok Verma (Tax Law and Insolvency Law), Utkarsh Leo (Law and Economics), Chinmaya Deshmukh (Legal Philosophy, Administrative Law), Sahana Ramesh (Investment Arbitration, Company Law) and Prakhar Ganguly (Labour Law). This year, two new ad-hocs have joined, namely Prerna Bijoy and Niharika Salar. So it is difficult to see any external candidates being appointed to permanent positions in the coming year. The best case scenario might be some of these ad-hocs transitioning to permanent positions. The two ad-hoc teachers for English have already put in 4-5 years, so they are likely to be regularised very soon.

The one exceptional person who has joined NALSAR for the Social Sciences this year is Dr. Manisha Sethi (Sociology) who has come on deputation as an Associate Professor (contractual) from Jamia Millia Islamia (JMI). She is already a noted scholar on criminal justice administration and prison reform. Her seminars have been a real value addition for my peers who are interested in Criminal Law. However, she may only stay on till the end of FM's term in March/April 2022.

Waves of alumni hire is not considered in any part of the world as a blanket good for any academic institution. You would have known that had you spent more time on your education.

I have got a question. Presumably, NLSIU alumni are all stellar lawyers and academics. Now, they have almost entirely been taught by non-NLU teachers. So if the latter are so bad, then how did these alumni become so good? Is it because they had been good students to begin with and did not really need good teachers? If that is so, then what has changed since then? Are the current students not so good? The narrative that NLU alumni teachers = good, other teachers = bad is somewhat paradoxical.

Now if only he ends up reading the university regulations, and not scamming students out of cnovo fees and aspirants out of fees for cancelled exams, we can all live happily ever after.

Because if you see the hiring practices of reputed global institutions, you would learn about the undesirability of inbreeding at the cost of diversity.

Yes! LI should report faculty hires and stuff like they report lateral hires and promotions at law firms. Turn it into another horse race that ultimately makes us all worse people.

And who keeps forgetting his own university's regulations. And who keeps getting rebuked by the court. And who keeps taking money from people at false pretext. And who keeps showing the sensitivity range of a teaspoon.

Mrinal and Aparna are good definitely, but calling the other alumni hires as accomplished subject experts is not a very accurate statement. They are mostly young academics like Raag who can develop into good ones, sure. Nor is any of them a well-known name in commercial legal academia yet. Not much to disagree with the rest of your analysis, other than the fact that barring the 4 good people at NLUD, the rest of the faculty there are nothing exceptional compared to NALSAR, NUJS etc. The Delhi guest lecturers bit is accurate though. Similarly, at NUJS, the contracts teacher, one of the IP teachers, the space law teacher are also quite good. At NALSAR, Sodhi and Neha are decent other than the ones you named, as are some of young NLU hires like Ramesh. What would hold NUJS back would definitely be a sub-par administration, political interference etc. that keep driving good talent away. NLUD was coming dangerously close to infighting in the last months of Singh, but thankfully the new VC seems to be okay enough to steady the ship. The VC quality and supporting administration really matter in any NLU given their top down model. NALSAR might start floundering for example after Dhanda leaves for good.

While I don't want to get into specific rankings, I think we also need to count Sophy (while people might not love her labour course) who takes a very good introductory History (HLCD) course, Amita Punj is a decent Juris teacher ( I know she is perhaps not in the top few faculty across the country, but she gives a good basic footing for students), and Surya Prakash Mishra (while his courses are light, he is an extremely helpful man who knows his stuff and can hold his own in discussions when students go talk to him outside of class). Where I do wish NLUD did better was in terms of getting some teachers to actually teach (while Danny is pretty good for Juris project consultations, I am sure the student community would benefit a lot if he actually taught something, apart from offering seminar courses once every 2 years, which unfortunately no one picked this year). In terms of research work, and the subsequent academic benefits for students, of course, CCG, p39A, CIIPC, are vv important. Punj and Danny also have some very good research work afaik, but I don't think they involve as many undergrad students as they could. While this might not be a well accepted opinion, I think Harpreet Kaur also involves students in valuable projects and is a good asset to the college and to the culture in general.
NLUD could perhaps do something to ensure that students pick up valuable courses with good faculty and great syllabus, rather than taking Seminar courses where O's are distributed. It is sad to see so many smart academically exceptional students talking bakwas seminars because they don't want to drop O's or work too hard in the last 2 years. NLUD should also have better seminar courses, particularly when one of the major concerns that instructors (or even alumni) seem to have is that seminar instructors should be treated with more respect. While the seminar coordinator is a very competent (and pretty nice) prof, I hope the admin focusses on this part. Apart from academically challenging seminars, this would foster better relations between the academia and the industry. For example, it was sad to see Samir Gandhi's course get dropped because college admin took just too long to let him start his class. Of Course, it goes without saying that it was extremely wrong on NLUD's part to drop Jawahar Raja's course which got subscribed super quickly.
Hope the admin under the new VC continues to ride on what Ranbir Singh has built (and make necessary changes, such as hiring more competent permanent faculty). While some TLC teachers are fantastic, we need to stop hiring random people who cannot handle classes, even if they are nice people.

NUJS has other good faculty too besides Saurabh Bhattacharjee & SKG. There are people like Faisal Fasih, Shameek Sen, SK Chakraborty, Agnidipto Tarafder etc. who are brilliant teachers. Some of the recently hired guest faculty are also very good. Additionally, there are teachers from even pre-MP Singh era (Dr. Chimni's era) like Dr. Kavita Singh, Dr. Vaneeta Patnaik etc, who are very experienced and are decent teachers.

You may lose faith and leave. Won't be a loss at all for the rest of us. Since you are so hell-bent on certifying everything that's government stamped, go and listen to Doordarshan instead of reading LI comments.

It is a simple point of fact. If an institution keeps paying twice the salary and perks to faculty, most of the talent would eventually gravitate towards that place. However, the only way that an institution can keep doing so is by charging extraordinary fees and having a huge student batch without any quality check in the entrance. Then the talented people would no longer be enough to teach all those students, and institution would have to supplement them by providing a big task force of young, inexperienced teachers who won't be as talented, but would have to bear the bulk of teaching load. As a result, the peer and classroom experiences would suffer. The institution would then focus on hiring marquee names, giving those people even more resources to do research to make up for the worse classroom experience and job satisfaction, hack rankings, all the while knowing that it cannot improve overall student quality by using this model. That in a nutshell describes JGLS.

That’s so true! You can also look at the flip side right - you basically had an exodus of alumni from other Unis , NLUD and even jgls, who all joined NLS last year. Clearly these folks are not all motivated by money. Especially younger faculty who don’t yet have families to feed and are full of idealism- they start off joining the NLU in their home town or joining their alma mater and stay until they feel pushed out because of the academic environment.

Any VC who blames jgls for the attrition is just making excuses without being introspective.

You should learn to read more carefully before you start commenting. First of all, I have clearly mentioned about JGLS providing other resources apart from salary and facilitating research. Secondly, your knowledge of UGC salary and JGLS salary is shockingly deficient. For instance, no assistant professor at entry level gets anywhere even near 1 lakh monthly salary. It is around 65000 and would go up to 1 lakh after working for at least 5 years (negligible annual increment of less than 5k). Secondly, JGLS starts freshers with a salary of 1.3 lakh per month for lecturers and senior RA positions. Apart from that, there are multiple perks available like free quarters, health plans etc. Overall, the difference is definitely effective as twice. Full assistant professors at JGLS get almost 1.8 lakh as salary including perks plus research funding. I actually happen to agree with most of the deficiencies that you mentioned about NLUs. Never said those are good places to work at. However, they do get a much better set of students compared to JGLS (at least the top 7-8 NLUs do) and that makes a lot of difference to many teachers who choose NLUs over JGLS. Those who don't, end up going to JGLS. Neither is wrong, just having different priorities in life. But for the reasons already mentioned, JGLS cannot attract sufficient good faculty to make up at least majority of its roster, plus have a manageable batch size of quality students at the same time. That can only happen with state funding or large scale philanthropy.

Actually, if someone only hires faculty from his own NLU, that too may be equally considered as corruption according to your logic only. The factors that should be considered should include CV, publications, research and work experience, teaching ability obtained through demo classes, indication of how long a person might want to be associated with the institution for etc. Using all of those, if someone from an NLU bags the job, then that's that. If someone from a non-NLU background gets the job satisfying all those criteria, then that's equally good.

Even what you said comes to approximately 85000. By the way, not all NLUs pay 12% provident fund, since they are not part of EPF, but CPF. Some pay 10%. The increments that you speak of are 3% of basic, which is around 1500 annually. I have assisted a batchmate of mine with her IT filing. She has been teaching at an NLU for the past 7 years. She currently gets a salary of around 1.1 lakh per month. Further, the Jindal salary of 1.3 lakh is without the perks. There are plenty other perks there, such as health plan, free quarters, annual research grant etc. If you add all those, the effective cost to the university would cross 1.6 lakh easily. Their annual increments are also much higher, though I cannot confirm exactly how much. They also have differential salary for different people holding same positions.
@Kian: To ensure clarity, you can just ask any academic whom you know to be working in a permanent job at an NLU. I am sure you know several of them. That would be authentic. I am not asking anyone to take my words as gospel truth given the anonymity.

@35: Kindly upgrade your mathematical skill.
Basic= 57700
17%DA = 9809
24% HRA = 13848
TA= 7200 (for Tier One City)
17% DA on TA = 1224
12% EPF = 6924
2 non-compoundable increments for LLM = 6% of Basic = 3462
Not counting PhD for entry-level assistant professors
The total gross salary comes to 96705.
The net salary after deducting income tax and PF contribution and professional tax should be approximately 80000.
Where are you getting the 1.5 lakh from?
The minuscule annual increment would be around 1731. Once the person has completed PhD that would take around 3-5 years, they would be entitled to 3 non-compoundable increments = 5193.
The person is entitled to a promotion after 5 years (this would result into an annual increment of basic of 1731, though this is compoundable unlike the LLM/PhD increments, so including DA and EPF increment, the effective increment under present DA level would be 2232), a second promotion after another 5 years (again an annual increment of around 2232), a third promotion after another 3 years to Associate Professor and another 3 years to Professor. 16 years in all. A full professor gets around 170000 gross salary.

JGLS salary mentioned as 1.3 lakh is for a fresher with no work experience, no UGC NET, no PhD. It also does not include HRA (faculty quarters separately provided), mediclaim facilities, annual research grant, monetary incentives of 1 lakh plus for every SCOPUS/WOS publication that you make, plus additional internal funds assigned to every research centre that you are a part of (separate external source of funding can be applied for). The annual increment is negotiable, but is often at least 10000 (based on experiences of 3 separate individuals). Once you get absorbed as a tenured Assistant Professor, the total CTC for the university for you would almost reach 200000. Associate Professors get approximately 3 lakhs (CTC, not including additional research grants) and full Professors between 4 and 4.5 lakhs (CTC, not including additional research grants). There is also salary difference between Indian and foreign professors from what I have been told.

There is no comparison between the two insofar as monetary compensation is concerned. I am not saying that the work environment, city factor, student quality are not factors involved, they very much are.

We actually asked him about this earlier this year. He has not finished his Ph.D. and does not have enough peer-reviewed publications to apply for the Associate Professor rank. He has been teaching for 9 years now, so it does not make sense for him to apply for an Assistant Professor position at other institutions. I guess once he meets the publication requirements, he might start looking at other alternatives. Apparently, he has given FM his word about staying on at NALSAR till the end of the latter's term as VC in March/April 2022. I am sure Sid.C is reading these comments, so I would urge him to continue at NALSAR.

NLS Student Body on Sid.C (2013): 'You are the hero that Nagarbhavi needs, but does not deserve'.
NLS Student Body on Sid.C (2020): 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself turn into a villain'.

My own hunch is the Sid Chau wants to leave for NLSIU, but may have family compulsions that prevent a shift right now. Let's wait and see.

First of all, I didn't mention the 65k thing, that was someone else. I simply pointed out your own erroneous calculation.

Secondly, why don't you stop making claims that you've got no idea about? The LLM increments like the PhD ones are non-compoundable ones. If you don't know what that means, ask someone with accounting knowledge. They won't get considered for DA and other allowance calculations, genius! Again, you keep mentioning EPF, but if you had any knowledge of the way the NLUs implement provident fund, you would know that most give Contributory Provident Fund, not EPF (because those are not considered government universities/colleges). Hence they can make rules of their own. One of those being that the 12% would be calculated on basic only. Not basic plus DA. NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS at least follow this rule. I cannot speak for others.

The calculation that I provided is the exact thing that an assistant professor at an NLU gets. What you believe they get is a different thing altogether and really not worth discussing. It is clear that you have got no knowledge of NLUs or at least of the faculty and admin rules there, but are simply copy pasting UGC salary structure from the Internet. I do not know which NLUs you have seen giving monetary incentives to faculty members for publications. The 3 that I mentioned do not. It is difficult for a public university to award such incentives without attracting litigation, though not impossible.

Your last bit about Baxi et al is so ridiculous that it finally reveals you as a troll who actually has got no knowledge of real life. Of the three, only MP Singh was formally associated with an NLU after 2009. That too he was a VC there, and later a professor emeritus at NLUD till 2019. Chimni hasn't been with an NLU since 2006. All three are long past the age to remain in public universities in full positions. Private universities have that flexibility to offer them more pay and research responsibilities. In either case, that is besides the point. I know all three of them and at this stage in their careers at least, none is motivated by money. That doesn't mean others aren't.

This is perhaps the most balanced and unbiased comment made in this thread. Complete agree with all of it.

When JGLS requires the NLU alumni faculty to pester their personal overseas connections to give JGLS a good rating in QS survey forms, that does not feel like respect or ethical, but overall, the working conditions are still better at JGLS than at any NLU today.

FM will get it renewed. He is doing great things at NALSAR. If he gets a 3rd tenure he will make NALSAR the best law school.