New target acquired? SILF, bar council serve notice on Big 4 consulting firms for illegal practice of law

Economic Times and ET Now reported that the Delhi bar council, after a written complaint by the Society of Indian Law Firms (Silf), has served written notice on the Big Four accountancy firms, PwC, Deloitte, KPMG and EY, for allegedly “engaging in the unauthorised practice” of law:

Following the individual complaints by SILF, the Bar Council of Delhi has issued notice to all four firms seeking replies on or before 7th August. The council has also directed firm representatives to be present in person on 7th August, 2015 failing which ex-parte orders will be passed.

The four chartered accountancy (CA) and consultancy firms all confirmed receipt of the notice to the ET and said they would respond in due course, while PwC said that it did not have a law practice in India.

The report did not specify whether the notice was a notice threatening legal proceedings or a simple warning under internal bar council rules.

The Madras high court ruled in 2012 that:

Oversight of the Bar Council on non-litigation activities of such law firms was virtually nil till now, and exploiting this loop hole, many accountancy and management firms are employing law graduates, who are rendering legal services, which is contrary to the Advocates Act.

No action against the CA firms has been taken to date. The government meanwhile has been making noises about allowing the entry of foreign law firms to India soon, to the chagrin of SILF

Comments

Kallu Nai 13 Jul 2015, 06:40
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SILF is right! How can someone start a law firm and offer better career options, good quality training and higher salaries to young and competent lawyers of India? What will older law firms do then?
Guest 13 Jul 2015, 07:54
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What about BMR?
True story 14 Jul 2015, 06:27
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Yep, BMR has also started its own "law firm" with partners, senior associates and associates.
Trident 13 Jul 2015, 09:45
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Big 4 starting salaries are much lower than Khaitan! But all the CA's are employed & not on retainer.
Kallu Nai 14 Jul 2015, 06:33
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Ekjhactly! In fact, another very old law firm has very recently hired one fresher at a salary above than that given in Big4!
Spectator 13 Jul 2015, 10:35
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One day this had to happen. Big 4 were eating lot of work from the law firms. Good that BCI is taking action. SILF knew about this and now that there is a new wave for welcoming the foreign law firms, they have become proactive.
@KRK 13 Jul 2015, 10:38
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I Condemn deplorable act of Terrorism.. Ohhh, Kamal Khan is more sensible than SILF
I like the headline. 13 Jul 2015, 13:07
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Kian I am sure that 'new target acquired' was intentional. Does this mean that you are off the hook.
kianganz 13 Jul 2015, 15:07
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Haha, yes, the headline was definitely intentional, but maybe not in the way you think maybe :)

1. It was the Bar Council of India chairman, not the Delhi bar council that 'targeted' us.

2. The target implied was foreign law firms illegally practising law in India. While Modi pushes for liberalisation, SILF have taken the fight to CA firms after 3+ years of relative inaction on CA firms.

Possible speculative reasons?

a) Silf have given up on fighting foreign law firms?
b) They are fighting CA firms so that when / if foreign law firms come, foreign firms can't say, look here, why you singling us out, the CAs are much worse than us?
c) The tipping point has been reached where CA firms are eating so much of SILF members' lunch with transactional, etc work, that the referrals from the Big 4 are outweighed by what they take from law firms...?
Veer Singh - Now Look Here 15 Jul 2015, 15:44
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Good to see that Kian has picked up on the "look here"!
taxy 13 Jul 2015, 13:44
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Nda is the most affected firm because of big 4 law practice.. They will be the happiest to see this news..
JobHungry 13 Jul 2015, 20:51
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How do I get into the top four with Ba.ll.b. degree from an NLU?
Dazed and Confused 14 Jul 2015, 04:26
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Why no BMR? 'Cause this is a Maggi attack. Get the foreign labels.
Black Hand 14 Jul 2015, 05:48
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BMR should also be targetted.

Good move as most of these big 4 people employ CA(s) or inexperienced lawyers who have never seen a day arguing in court or written a proper legal opinion. These people only do cut and paste job from old opinions which are reviewed by equally incompetent managers who have no idea of how the law practically works or are possibly not even lawyers (CA(s)/ cost accountant etc).
basically hoodwinking clients (especially foreign clients) to make money by selling snake oil. Immeditetely should be sanctioned.
Baklol 14 Jul 2015, 11:55
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As per my knowledge, BMR Legal is a law firm! So what is your problem? Are you afraid of their competence?
Have Spotted These People 14 Jul 2015, 06:15
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Any lawyers on board these big 4 and BMR must surrender their sanad as they become salaried employees. Hence, they have no right to dabble in legal practice, appear or even give a legal opinion to a client. But, a glance at the CESTAT in any month can find these employees freely circulating and sometimes even wearing a lawyer's band. Employees who are CA interns appear before appeallate commissioners or jurisdictional commissioners freely and dole out legal assitance.

Gross mischief has been happening for a long time especially in the tax practices and needs to be curtailed asap.
Sid 14 Jul 2015, 11:55
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It has been spotted and noticed to BCI many times. However, inaction of BCI in this regard indicates two points; 1. Vested Interest 2. Lobby of ICAI is stronger than BCI.
Good riddance 14 Jul 2015, 08:13
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Yay! Finally.
Guest 14 Jul 2015, 10:59
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Well, lawyers also copy paste loads! What exactly are the SHAs/SPAs and other agreements, if not copy pasted?! The Big4 don't really engage in any court related work. Advisory is something which anyone can do - why single out the Big4? In fact, perhaps an average CA is much more well versed in Company law than even star lawyers in law firms! Any case, how may law firms for e.g. would be able to provide tax services? Ironically, most law firm's hire CAs in their tax teams! How many lawyers can even read a balance sheet and P&L properly and how much sense does a tax return make to a lawyer, that s/he would be able to handle a tax assessment? The advantage a client gets from going to a Big4 is holistic advice on a transaction entirely, including even certifications if required, plus audit, valuation and other financial services. All these at much more competitive rates than sky-high fees charged by law firms. Which law firm can do all of this? If lawyers are not smart enough to go out and win clients, but are focussed exclusively on execution, why blame the Big4 for their aggressive strategy that's eating into law firm revenue? SIFL should follow a policy of live and let live!
Sid 14 Jul 2015, 12:05
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In contrary, I have been in this field for a long long time and I have come across many lawyers who have better understanding of financials than a CA. Underestimating lawyers is not appropriate because ICAI, for the vested interests of its members has specifically pressurised CBDT and MoF to amend Income tax provisions for various certifications to keep aloof the lawyers from tax field and thereby encroaching the lawyers' business. Our learned parliamentarians have succumbed to this pressure and over a period of time say in last 20 years, the lawyers lost their competence due to this sole reason.

Even recently there have been judgments by ITAT questioning the learnings and ethics of CAs.

One question may be put : Is there any segregation of advisory work of a CA and appearance by them before various tribunals?
Guest 2 14 Jul 2015, 13:14
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Well on Big 4 not providing litigation services, look at contact details mentioned at - http://www.ey.com/GL/en/Services/Tax/Law/Global-Law-Services---Contact-us#india

Also what are the front end firms in Mumbai and Delhi for (with star litigators using Big 4 e-mail ids) if not for providing litigation services? Also look at comment 11 - in CESTAT / ITAT Vakalatnamas are being filed in the name of Big 4 itself rather than individual lawyers .....

I can count atleast 400 lawyers in 4 major India tax firms alone (80 in NDA, 80 in Vaish, 140 in LKS, 100 in BMR Legal - not to forget about 200+ in other big and small law firms) who not only can read balance sheet but explain you the legal implications pretty well .... Also reading balance sheet / P&L is one thing but suggesting such aggressive tax structures or handling assessments in such a way that it is bound to generate litigation work for your front end firms is another thing .... If USA or other developed country do this - segregation of legal and consulting or auditing and consulting, we will defend the move saying they are addressing conflict of interest... why object when an attempt is being made in India ...

I just wonder if you have received a BIG 4 invoice and if yes, can you still say it is less than "sky-high fees" charged by law firms ... a international law firm is much more affordable and reliable than Big 4 in India ....
Spectator 15 Jul 2015, 12:04
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If law does not permit something, no argument of your can justify legal work done by Big 4. I have personally interacted with Big 4 in relation to advising clients on legal matters and believe the 'legal' services provided by Big 4 are actually of very poor quality.
Monny 15 Jul 2015, 12:04
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I think the best legal acumen resides in Big 4 firms and is employed in all those lovely disclaimers to their much vaunted opinions, the fantastic obfuscations and all their advice with which they so happily caveat - we have seen this but please get it checked by a lawyer as we are not legal persons.

Oh I wish us lawyers knew how to draft such engagement letters, disclaiming everything, certifying nothing.

I wish I could give an opinion to a client saying - yes this is possible, this is the maximum liability, but we could be wrong as the tax authority is off its head.

Apart from lawyers work, they are also cornering the magician's markets by selling magic structures that give their clients all they desire, riches beyond their wildest dreams. When dirty regulator uncle or crybaby lawyer says can't do sir, sorry regrets, etc., they make miraculous escape through disclaimer backdoors that lawyers only dream about.
Kallu Nai 14 Jul 2015, 11:53
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Instead of wasting time and efforts on what others do or don't, SILF and BCI should focus on speedy and quality reforms in law profession to enable Indian lawyers and law firms more competent, effective, competitive and powerful. So far I have never heard anything from SILF's or BCI's dais on even a thought process on any such issues! Look at the world and at even other sectors/industries of our own economy! Today, nobody is such protectionists and everybody, except majority of young lawyers, in fact getting fruits of progress!
CAs and CSs 15 Jul 2015, 05:55
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Kian, why was my post not published?!

I am reproducing verbatim, the 5-Judge Bench Order of the SC (September 25, 2014) in

TRANSFERRED CASE (C) NO. 150 OF 2006

Madras Bar Association …Petitioner(s)

versus

Union of India and another …Respondents

QUOTE

Keeping in mind the fact, that in terms of Section 15 of the NTT Act, the NTT would hear appeals from the Income Tax Appellate Tribunal and the Customs, Excise and Service Tax Appellate Tribunal (CESTAT) only on ?substantial questions of law?, it is difficult for us to appreciate the propriety of representation, on behalf of a party to an appeal, through either Chartered Accountants or Company Secretaries, before the NTT. The determination at the hands of the NTT is shorn of factual disputes. It has to decide only ?substantial questions of law?. In our understanding, Chartered Accountants and Company Secretaries would at best be specialists in understanding and explaining issues pertaining to accounts. These issues would, fall purely within the realm of facts. We find it difficult to accept the prayer made by the Company Secretaries to allow them, to represent a party to an appeal before the NTT. Even insofar as the Chartered Accountants are concerned, we are constrained to hold that
allowing them to appear on behalf of a party before the NTT, would be unacceptable in law. We accordingly reject the claim of Company Secretaries, to represent a party before the NTT. Accordingly the prayer made by Company Secretaries in Writ Petition (Civil) no. 621 of 2007 is hereby declined. While recording the above conclusion, we simultaneously hold Section 13(1), insofar as it allows Chartered Accountants to represent a party to an appeal before the NTT, as unconstitutional and unsustainable in law.

UNQUOTE

By the above logic, these masqueraders should not be permitted to practice in ANY tribunal..

Hope you will publish this!