BCI's Manan Kumar Mishra: Christian nun-lawyer shouldn't be allowed to wear habit, but turban ok

Advocate and Christian nun Sister Jasmine, who has been enrolled since 2000 with the Delhi bar council and is currently working with the Human Rights Law Network (HRLN), said she would file a complaint about other lawyers having objected to her wearing her nun’s habit with with the advocates’ band. [Indian Express]

Outgoing Bar Council of India (BCI) chairman Manan Kumar Mishra told the Indian Express that while the wearing of a “turban is not a problem” with the advocate’s uniform, a nun’s habit was not allowed.

Retired judge S N Dhingra disagreed: “Just as turbans and other religious markers are allowed in court, a habit is also not a violation” [via @mohitsingh8 on Twitter]

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Confused Zeus Says . . . . 18 Apr 2014, 11:55
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Why on earth did anyone even ask for Manan's views? Extremely myopic stand.
Guest 19 Apr 2014, 09:48
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[quote name="Confused Zeus Says . . . ."]Why on earth did anyone even ask for Manan's views? Extremely myopic stand.[/quote]

How is this "myopic" exactly? Do you know what myopia is?
Bruh 19 Apr 2014, 11:20
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How myopic you are to not see Manan's views as myopic.
Guest 19 Apr 2014, 13:21
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[quote name="Bruh"]How myopic you are to not see Manan's views as myopic.[/quote]

Sorry, but how is speaking out against making a charade out of a court dress "myopic" ? You want to convert a court into a nunnery?
Bruh 19 Apr 2014, 17:17
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Sorry, I don't really follow. How does her habit convert the court into a nunnery? How is it a "charade"? More importantly, has this over-eager zealous bigot of a Bar Council Chairman actually read the Bar Council Rules before declaring his uninformed bigot opinion?
Guest 20 Apr 2014, 04:42
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[quote name="Bruh"]Sorry, I don't really follow. How does her habit convert the court into a nunnery? How is it a "charade"? More importantly, has this over-eager zealous bigot of a Bar Council Chairman actually read the Bar Council Rules before declaring his uninformed bigot opinion?[/quote]

Even a semi-literate like you would agree that religous paraphernalia should be kept out of professional dress codes. Other than a turban for sikhs which is quite possible the only exception of its kind in the world (and which many developed nations still do not permit), there is no other instance where such blatant symbols of religion are permitted, more so in a regulated profession.

Let this nun wear whatever she wants in the privacy of her nunnery. But she has no business sullying the professional standards of the bar with her nun habit. Subjectivity aside, the BCI Rules clearly prescribe the dress code for women lawyers as follows

"Black full sleeve jacket or blouse, white collar stiff or soft, with white bands and Advocates’ Gowns. White blouse, with or without collar, with white bands and with a black open breast coat.
Or
(b) Sarees or long skirts (white or black or any mellow or subdued colour without any print or design) or flare (white, black or black stripped or grey) or Punjabi dress Churidar Kurta or Salwar-Kurta with or without dupatta (white or black) or traditional dress with black coat and bands."

Do you see a nun habit permitted ? Because I dont. Next time try reading up the rules before shooting your mouth off.

The BCI chairman is fully in the right on this one.
Meow Meow pic 20 Apr 2014, 09:05
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Dear Guest. Are you the BC Chairman himself? Seems so. Whoever you are, your logic is flawed. Do the BCI rules prohibit wearing a Habit - that's the issue. The BC rules you have cited do not list undergarments, shoes, socks, spectacles, among others. By your logic, is one prohibited from wearing them as part of attire? Why - the dress code you have cited does not list trousers and shirts either. Several woman lawyers wear shirts and trousers. Do you have a problem with that as well? Bruh is right by referring to you as a bigot.
Bruh 21 Apr 2014, 02:15
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[quote name="Guest"]"Black full sleeve jacket or blouse, white collar stiff or soft, with white bands and Advocates’ Gowns. White blouse, with or without collar, with white bands and with a black open breast coat.
Or
(b) Sarees or long skirts (white or black or any mellow or subdued colour without any print or design) or flare (white, black or black stripped or grey) or Punjabi dress Churidar Kurta or Salwar-Kurta with or without dupatta (white or black) or traditional dress with black coat and bands."[/quote]

Had you read the Bar Council Rules properly, you wouldn't have shot off your mouth and made a complete foll out of yourself. I have read the rules and I clearly see that a nun is allowed to wear her habit as an advocate.

In your semi-literate layman opinion, what do you think is the purpose of specifying "traditional dress with black coat and bands" when sarees, kurta, etc. are already mentioned?

Either you do not understand the law at all, or your subjective bias has clouded your interpretation.
Sonny 21 Apr 2014, 10:07
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[quote name="Bruh"][quote name="Guest"]"Black full sleeve jacket or blouse, white collar stiff or soft, with white bands and Advocates’ Gowns. White blouse, with or without collar, with white bands and with a black open breast coat.
Or
(b) Sarees or long skirts (white or black or any mellow or subdued colour without any print or design) or flare (white, black or black stripped or grey) or Punjabi dress Churidar Kurta or Salwar-Kurta with or without dupatta (white or black) or traditional dress with black coat and bands."[/quote]

Had you read the Bar Council Rules properly, you wouldn't have shot off your mouth and made a complete foll out of yourself. I have read the rules and I clearly see that a nun is allowed to wear her habit as an advocate.
[/quote]

Lucky for lawyer, clients and the public that interpretation of dress codes for advocates in not upto the folks like you than.

Going by your view, even a bikini could be worn to court.

Feel free to write some shady reply below.
Bruh 25 Apr 2014, 10:29
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Unless in your part of the country, a bikini is considered traditional attire, I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
Meow Meow pic 20 Apr 2014, 08:48
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How does wearing a Habit convert a court into a Nunnery? I'm sure Manan wears shoes to court. Does that convert the court into a shoe shop?
Guest 20 Apr 2014, 16:38
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[quote name="Meow Meow pic"]How does wearing a Habit convert a court into a Nunnery? I'm sure Manan wears shoes to court. Does that convert the court into a shoe shop?[/quote]

Dude, if you think habit:nunnery = shoe:shoeshop your reasoning skills need a lot of work.
summarybhai 21 Apr 2014, 07:55
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[quote name="Meow Meow pic"]How does wearing a Habit convert a court into a Nunnery? I'm sure Manan wears shoes to court. Does that convert the court into a shoe shop?[/quote]
are you from a firm which has Well Being Das in the middle ? your logic seems like that ..lawyers of AM...
Bruh 21 Apr 2014, 08:58
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Please! What you have here is a school going law aspirant who is yet to start practicing his logical reasoning.
@ All stupid bigots 21 Apr 2014, 06:21
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A comment below says, “... religous paraphernalia should be kept out of professional dress codes. Other than a turban for Sikhs.” Obviously, some people need to refresh their knowledge of the Constitution, which has the concepts of secularism and equality. Anyone who supports Mr. Mishra is a disgrace to the profession. Anyone who thinks the Supreme Court will EVER rule that a lawyer cannot wear a headscarf or a purdah or a nun’s habbit, although Sikhs can wear turbans, is a half-baked lawyer.

Ashamed to share the bar with bigots.
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 06:41
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More importantly, why is this doofus heading BCI?
Meow Meow pic 22 Apr 2014, 11:09
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[quote name="Shuklaji"]More importantly, why is this doofus heading BCI?[/quote]

To meet BCI's avowed objective of stopping Nuns, who are advocates, from wearing a habit to court.
kraken 18 Apr 2014, 18:34
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Clearly this [...] has a foot in the mouth problem.
Guest 18 Apr 2014, 20:02
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Bechara Misra , did he say something wrong? Tomorrow a sadhu will do LLB and want to come to court wearing his saffron robes and holding a trishul ? Why should a nun be any different? Let her keep her religious stuff back in her nunnery.
@ Guest 21 Apr 2014, 08:55
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A LLB-sadhu can wear saffron loincloth, along with black coat and advocates' band, for court appearance.
@ Guest 22 Apr 2014, 11:25
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[b]BCI Rules, Chapter-IV (Form of dresses or robes to be worn by advocates). [/b]
[i]Advocates appearing in the Supreme Court, High Courts, Subordinate Courts, Tribunals or Authorities shall wear the following as part of their dress which shall be sober and dignified.
1. Advocates
(a) A black buttoned up coat, chapkan, achkan, black sherwani and white bands with Advocates’ Gowns.
(b) A black open breast coat. white shirt, white collar, stiff or soft, and white bands with Advocates’ Gowns.
In either cases wear long trousers (white, black striped or grey), [u][b]Dhoti[/b][/u] excluding Jeans.[/i]


Clearly, dhoti (loincloth) with coat, band and gown is permitted.
Guest 22 Apr 2014, 12:50
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[quote name="@ Guest"][b]BCI Rules, Chapter-IV (Form of dresses or robes to be worn by advocates). [/b]
[i]Advocates appearing in the Supreme Court, High Courts, Subordinate Courts, Tribunals or Authorities shall wear the following as part of their dress which shall be sober and dignified.
1. Advocates
(a) A black buttoned up coat, chapkan, achkan, black sherwani and white bands with Advocates’ Gowns.
(b) A black open breast coat. white shirt, white collar, stiff or soft, and white bands with Advocates’ Gowns.
In either cases wear long trousers (white, black striped or grey), [u][b]Dhoti[/b][/u] excluding Jeans.[/i]


Clearly, dhoti (loincloth) with coat, band and gown is permitted.[/quote]

You're calling a dhoti a "loincloth" ??? Dude, is this your knowledge of Indian culture ??
Richard 19 Apr 2014, 05:37
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Mishra was politically active for BJP and Modi and was even using BCI fora (forums) to promote those views. His remarks against a Christian nun merely reflect his personal anti Christian bias. I do hope he never ever disgraces the BCI further by holding any official position in the Bar Council of India.
Campa Cola 21 Apr 2014, 17:10
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I think we are getting a little too agitated about this. It may be true that Manan Mishra is politically inclined towards the right and what he has said is a manifestation of certain prejudice.

Having said that I do not believe what he has said is wrong, if one simply goes by the text of what he has said. It is because equating a sikh turban with a habit is improper.

Please understand that for a sikh it is imperative that he grow his hair and cover it with a turban. It is an essential element of that religion(it is immaterial that some follow it and some don't).

However, a habit is not an essential element for a christian, not even female Christians. It is only mandatory requirement for nuns. Therefore,I don't see how that should be allowed.

A better comparison would be between a Sikh turban and a hizab. This is because under Islam women are supposed to cover their heads, and if someone wishes to cover her heard while in court that should be allowed.