Sh*t rapists’ lawyers say: 5 things that are ridiculous and/or hateful, but can anyone stop them? [in gifs]

ML Sharma, talks flowers
ML Sharma, talks flowers
Gangrape lawyers ML Sharma, AP Singh might face BCI inquiry (again), promises BCI chairman MK Mishra.

ML Sharma, demonstrates his deep understanding of humanity
ML Sharma, demonstrates his deep understanding of humanity
Gangrape lawyers ML Sharma, AP Singh might face a Bar Council of India (BCI) inquiry (again), promises BCI chairman MK Mishra.

The two defence lawyers of the men convicted of the 2012 Delhi gang rape, ML Sharma and AP Singh, have acted as one of the lightning rods for the renewed public anger surrounding India’s banning of the BBC documentary film about the rape, featuring interviews with one of the death row convicts, his lawyers and others.

Bar Council of India (BCI) chairman Manan Kumar Mishra said, according to PTI:

Unless and until the council gets a complaint in writing, we cannot initiate any action. Until now, we have not received any complaint in this regard.

Once the complaint comes, we will examine that and only then we can do anything. Comments against women appear to be unwarranted, but we cannot do anything unless we get some complaint in this regard.

Senior advocate Raju Ramchandran responded that the BCI had “a duty to issue suo motu notice and ask for explanation”.

However, in 2013 the BCI under then-chairman Mishra had issued a show-cause notice to AP Singh for his statements after having reportedly received a complaint of professional misconduct under section 35 of the Advocates Act.

Mishra did not respond to an email from Legally India yesterday afternoon seeking comment on the progress of the 2013 show cause notice against Singh.

Advocate AP Singh, advocating ‘honour killing’ (in 2013 and now)

In a previous televised interview, Singh had said: “If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight.”

In the documentary, which is still available on YouTube and elsewhere despite the Indian government’s ban, Singh confirmed his position and said: “This is my stand. I still today stand on that reply.”

On an NDTV panel yesterday night, with both Sharma and Singh present, Mishra said: “I can only say that an inquiry will be held [against the two lawyers], and since I’m here before NDTV, I’ll not be part of that inquiry.

When asked whether he disagreed with AP Singh’s views, Mishra said: “Naturally, Mr Singh, he is talking of the character of the woman, the character of the girls.

“First of all, he’s a lawyer. As a lawyer’s point of view, first he’ll have to learn the character of lawyer, the professional ethics the lawyers is supposed to maintain. He’ll have to learn what is the law of the land.”

ML Sharma, on botany

Sharma: “A female is just like a flower. It gives a good-looking, very softness pleasant performance. But on the other hand, a man is just like a thorn. Strong, tough enough.

“That flower always needs protection. If you put that flower in a gutter, it is spoilt. If you put that flower in a temple, it will be worshipped.”

ML Sharma, feminist in disguise? (via Jhuma Sen & @swarajpb)

“You are talking about man and woman as friends. Sorry, that doesn’t have any place in our society. We have the best culture. In our culture there is no place for a woman,” said Sharma, possibly having hit the nail on the head for why rape is so endemic.

“In our society, we never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6:30 or 7:30 or 8:30 in the evening with any unknown person.”

“She should not be on the street like food. Ladies are more precious than a gem. It is up to you how you want to keep it – in your hand or on the street.

“A woman means I immediately put the sex in his eyes.”

ML Sharma, psychology 101

On the 2012 gangrapists’ actions: “He will put his hand… Insert, hit! He would like to create a damage. It is just that kind of action. Beat him. Putting his hand forcefully inside.”

ML Sharma, on filmy influences

“They left our Indian culture,” said Sharma about the victims who had watched the Life of Pi in the cinema before getting attacked. “They were under the imagination of the filmy culture, in which they can do anything.”

This is not Sharma’s first brush with controversial and comments recorded on video – in 2013, he gave an interview to Newslaundry and shared some of his more bizarre views, including:

On rape accused: you cannot penetrate without being excited. If you can’t do that how can you go for sex, and how can you go for rape? So first step is excitement. And a man will be excited when he gets the “atmosphere”. And whether he gets an atmosphere or not depends on the circumstances in which he is. Will you be able to do it? Tell me. This has nothing to do with whether you are married or not. Go watch a “porn movie” today you’ll get to know.

On rape victims: Simple analogy. If you have a bread or sweetmeat and you put it outside your house can you tell me what will happen? Neighbourhood dogs will come eat it and go. Not a piece would be left for you. If you keep that box protected in the fridge the dogs won’t get a chance.

It is the responsibility of every woman to keep herself protected. If she puts herself in an unprotected situation she is to blame. Why don’t you guys tell people that your protection is in your own hands? Whether you are homeless or have a home your protection is in your own hands. You create circumstances for rape on your own and when something happens to you you become innocent. Mis-happenings happen because of you.

On rape in society: To end rape first thing will be to end the dirty atmosphere that has been created. Sexual atmosphere should be stopped. Any sexual pose should not be allowed because a sexual pose create a sexual affect in the mind of any person. With clothes or without clothes. [The media] puts sexual effects in the mind of innocent boys to make money, and provoke people, then say that we are doing nothing.

Comments

Guest 6 Mar 2015, 00:35
+76 -31
shoot these lawyers first, the rapists later
Girija Shankar 6 Mar 2015, 05:11
Contested
+53 -102
My full support to the lawyers Shri A P Singh and Shri M L Sharma who appeared in the BBC interview and spoke the truth very courageously. BBC has edited their statements to show them in bad light, but still their honesty and courage is clearly expressed from the video. I do not understand why some people are criticizing and opposing Mr Sharma and Mr Singh. India is a country where more rape cases turn out to be false than genuine every year. In 2014, as per NCRB, 78% rape cases were found to be false in Delhi . Every year thousands of young boys are trapped into false rape cases after a consensual sex as a part of blackmail or for failing to marry the girl for some reason. In marital disputes, the daughter-in-laws are filing false rape and molestation charges against their father-in-laws and brother-in-laws. Those ignorant people who are trying to silence the voice of these respected lawyers are just trying to see only one side of the coin. If in future any male of their own family faces false rape charge, they should not take any lawyer's help. All lawyers should stand by Mr Singh and Mr Sharma.
Mr. X 6 Mar 2015, 06:06
+66 -29
Either he/she is trolling, or is AP Singh/ ML Sharma in disguise.
Calling BS on your arguments 6 Mar 2015, 07:32
+68 -29
1. What exactly is the "truth" that they spoke courageously? They were expressing their (retrograde) opinions, that's all. Just because you agree with their opinions on a matter of "morality", those misguided opinions will not become "truth"! Also, in the ghastly context of things, I'd replace the word "courageously" with "shamelessly".

2. You seem to have very selectively chosen statistics and interpreted them very conveniently in your pathetic attempt to glorify these joker lawyers! Firstly, what do you mean by "false rape cases" of 78%? If all that means is that the accused were acquitted by the court, then that has been part of the problem, hasn't it? That historically, rape cases have been very difficult to prosecute on account of various obstructionist legal procedures and mindsets! It is funny that you seek to use THAT fact to glorify these morons' statements! I do not totally disagree that there are false rape cases filed, especially in urban areas. But just because false rape cases can and ARE filed by some unscrupulous women, can we say that all rape prosecutions should be lax? That is such a messed up argument! The solution for your "false cases" concern is not to make it difficult for women to file rape cases and to prosecute them easily, but to make sure that those who file false cases are dealt with strictly.....equally strictly and speedily as punishing rapists!

3. Thirdly, your "false rape cases" argument is actually completely irrelevant here!!! Even the great jerks that you are seeking to glorify here have not made the argument that THIS particular case was a "false case"........the victim is not even ALIVE to file a false case against anyone!!! So, just because there are x% of false cases filed by women (even assuming that to be a VERY high number), for these so-called defence lawyers to give an interview justifying the rapists's behaviour in THIS case is absolute rubbish.

4. Lastly, their comments are even more disturbing to me because they are spoken in the context of, and seeking to justify, a grotesquely violent crime....one that shook an entire country! Given how badly this girl was brutalised by these animals, it is equally savage for the lawyer to be making a statement like "I would have burned my daughter if she had done this"!!! What exactly has this victim done? It is this moron's clients who have done something "burn-worthy". And it is downright ridiculous that they (and people like YOU!) who actually need to be explained all this in such detail.
Enraged woman 6 Mar 2015, 14:05
+49 -29
Wtf?? I hope you're the lawyer himself in disguise and not a woman as your name suggests. . if you are a woman... I've got nothing to say. You have no [...]
Girija Shankar Panda 6 Mar 2015, 19:27
+33 -18
It is their personal view. BBC had come to them seeking their opinion, they have not gone to BBC. Many people in India share this view. Women are physically a weaker sex. No one can change this fact. Our boys and males also need lawyer's help in case they face false rape charges. The way media is blindly vilifying every rape accused before trial and the way people are at taking the lawyers representing the rape accused, our country's legal system will soon become a Kangaroo court run by feminist and media Taliban.
JJ 6 Mar 2015, 08:58
+18 -3
In what world the torture that the girl went trough can be justified?....are you fucking kindding?...people criticize these cheap lawyers for a clear reason of being stupid and bringing out a bad image of India...Women has no place in the culture?Most deities in our culture are women....
Rho Starr 8 Mar 2015, 07:47
+6 -0
Mr Shankar, you are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. 78% rape cases weren't found to be untrue...simply, the evidence was unsatisfactory. These lawyers today are supported only by the sick minded sections of the society...The only people fighting them are those who are exposed to western mindsets and [b]know[/b] that rape is not a woman's fault. Simply put, there is [b]no justification for rape[/b]. If you feel that there is any justification that a man can give for raping your mother, your sister or your wife, please, do tell us .. and tell them that if they are raped, you stand with the rapist.
Minz 1 Mar 2020, 03:20
+1 -0
But the crime is proved , criminals accepted it ,no false rape case ,then what is the need to justify ...I agree there are false rape cases but this is not the one as you know...once the crime is proved the criminals should be punished by the law or else the fear of law would disappear from criminal minded people as it is happening in India .Increasing rape cases with small children and women .If you can do rape that too so brutally then you are no longer a minor in front of the law .The lawyers are employed to fight for justice to the victim and punishment for the guilty .
kianganz 6 Mar 2015, 05:49
+6 -0
Just found out there's also this thread, along a similar line:
http://imgur.com/gallery/PKf7l
Guest 6 Mar 2015, 05:55
+10 -8
Most of these small-time lawyers are like this. These dehatis will be leading the agitation against liberalisation.
vakilsahib 6 Mar 2015, 06:31
+5 -2
you mean to say that likes of non-dehatis like the shroffs or the zia modys or khaitans are in favor or liberalization ?
Guest 6 Mar 2015, 08:14
+20 -3
These lawyers are complete retards...a shame to the entire legal faternity.
JJ 6 Mar 2015, 08:51
+16 -2
Total disgrace for a man from my land to say these utterly stupid things against the women...Stop humiliating the country for your cheap publicity....its currently your responsibility to be sure the people are not getting angry enough to kill you...
SL 6 Mar 2015, 08:52
+16 -2
I've just watched the entire BBC documentary here in Australia and read previous comments by these lawyers. I honestly find these two jokers to belong to the very core of the rotten society, that have such attitude against women.

They talk about Indian culture and do not even understand what is the true place of women in the society. For reminders the ancient Hindu society always held women equal to men in all respects.

With changing times, the modern age, one must change in attitude and in multi culturalism.

These two are confused about culture that was brought on by 800 years of Mughal rule and there after 200 years of British rule in India where the society degenerated in its attitude. Now times have changed for the better.

I'm surprised they are not disbarred as yet.
x/y 6 Mar 2015, 10:37
+5 -2
They both seems to be frustrated and failed to do honesty with thair professional and social responsibilities.
They seems to be in false state of assumption , it's help them to win the case.
Seema Sapra 6 Mar 2015, 11:13
+1 -1
Here's more on what Indian men actually think about women http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/09/2013929145845830658.html
Seema Sapra 6 Mar 2015, 11:32
+3 -1
If you can ignore the complex language and actually read this, it makes some interesting points - "No More Goddesses, Please. Bring in the Sluts"

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/arts-letters/no-more-goddesses-please-bring-in-the-sluts
a man who is not a threat 6 Mar 2015, 13:33
+10 -0
"A female is just like a flower..That flower always needs protection.."

Bloody moron, protect the woman from your stupidity, ignorance.
Protect the woman from your injustice, your [f]laws.
Protect the woman from your violence, hatred.
Protect the woman from your disgusting understanding of 'Indian Culture'.
Protect the woman from your absurd [im]moral ethics.

Women are not supposed to be protected from Men. We are bloody equals.
Vijay Sondhi 6 Mar 2015, 14:37
+10 -2
Have requested Bar Council of Delhi through Chairman to take Sui moto cognizance and issue show cause notice on next working day
Seema Sapra 6 Mar 2015, 14:59
+3 -3
The documentary is still being made available on youtube and can be watched in India. I just watched it there after finding the link on twitter. Not posting the link here for obvious reasons.

There is nothing objectionable in the documentary. Its quite moving and reform-oriented.

Someone should transcribe it in full for those who cannot watch it.

There is something strange about how one of the convicts Mukesh Singh speaks though in his interviews. He sounds and looks coached. I don't agree with those who have reported that he does not show remorse. Actually the man sounds scared. His elder brother was the one who died in police custody. Mukesh Singh claims he only drove the bus and did not rape.
an 6 Mar 2015, 16:47
+5 -2
He is a monster who appeard to be a human. This bastard said that girls who r our sister ,friend , etc should stay in the house or could be r**e. When girls are marching to the front line this bastard said this. His concept will lead us to ancient india. He only deserve to be death. There was a time when subash chandra bose deploy women cadres in ina name jashi kai rani regiment because of which this bastard got freedom to speak this words. Lets fight against such evils n kick them hard
Ananth 6 Mar 2015, 18:27
+6 -4
Individuals such as M L Sharma are a disgrace to the human race leave aside a lawyer. I am not sure how he got through the bar exams. I pity the Honbl. judges who have to hear him argue his case. The very sight of him leaves me nauseated. I have more hate messages but i don't want to waste anymore of my time and energy on this a hole.
kianganz 7 Mar 2015, 01:42
+4 -0
The bar exam is very easy, and to be honest, with some studying (perhaps) both Mr Sharma and Mr Singh would likely be able to pass it...
lawatch 7 Mar 2015, 09:42
+5 -0
The operative part is AP Singh has a farmhouse (read fast track court) where he doles out 'justice' by setting fire to those 'female' (members of his family, to start with) who exhibit any form of social contact with the opposite sex.
willie g 8 Mar 2015, 10:03
+0 -1
share our page and join our page and support public execution of rapists with government support..it applies to all the countries...

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Hmmm? 9 Mar 2015, 20:44
+2 -0
Shouldn't comment No.17 be deleted on the grounds that civilised lawyers shouldn't support public executions?
vijay 9 Mar 2015, 06:52
+5 -1
Whatever that stupid lawyer is saying is true unfortunately, India is not safe for girls, women, kids, seniors, and even men. People think by refusing to believe that rapes are happening, the problem will be solved. In many places in India a man will be murdered to steal his wallet, you can imagine how safe it is of women. Until 70% uneducated Indians have a right to education, all kids go to school and learn civilized behaviour, there is sex education in schools - which no school in India has, till that time there is no safety for women in India, there is a chance that they will get raped when they go out. I don't expect to see any change in my lifetime, it will take more than 100 years to educate everyone in India, still they will not allow sex education because talking about sex is shameful. Letting people remain uncivilised is ok and it is stylish to talk badly about those who speak the truth.
law firm lawyer 10 Mar 2015, 06:49
+5 -0
AP Singh and ML Sharma should be sent to mental hospital.
Lady Lawyer 11 Mar 2015, 10:24
+3 -0
As Usual Mr. Sharma is trying his cheap publicity stunts to hog the lime light and make headlines with utter nonsense it's like that absolute frivilous PIL he had filed last year some time., with zero knowledge of law or basic understanding of an adult human of what to speak and what not to .. its sheer dramatics and shouting out his lungs this man counts on to make a living and is far from an actual lawyer and a real shame not only to the fraternity but also to the Society ; These fellows is not worth a second's thought and should be immediately disbarred!
root 11 Mar 2015, 13:23
+1 -0
I think india needs some quick action in these matters. As we all have seen that the decision is still pending and don't know for how many years. India really needs to rise up against rape and protecting people like those rapists is not what india should do. After all the case is crystal clear that they have raped and murdered; none of them denying it. They need to be executed as soon as possible...
common educated man 12 Mar 2015, 10:35
+4 -0
ML Sharma and AP Singh must be deflowered.

They don't represent the Indian society. I don't know why media even highlights the statements of these buffoons.
Just another women 14 Mar 2015, 11:22
+2 -0
It is not about specimens like ML Sharma or AP Singh but millions who are born out of shell to think kajurao monuments and kamasutra cease to exist in our culture apparently its 'western influence' that rottens our culture hence the 'women with free will' deserves to learn a lesson. How conveniently he justifies rapists intentions who can rape brutally and then insert rods or anything available, extract organs and leave the victim to die to satisfy their 'excitement' rather violent streak followed by arousal.Yet they are still innocent because all of it is natural only comes to play when a girl provokes, not to forget even a 6 yr old girl can cause massive provocation. We have laws to protect a juvenile from rape accusations but no special case to prosecute rapists for raping minors.
Pluto 16 Mar 2015, 10:42
+2 -1
I am wondering about the private behaviour of these lawyers. Isn't it very often so that those upholding tight doctrines and rules and raising their fist against nudity, against loose morals, against libertarianism....are themselves thieves in the night? Whose case are they defending, the rapists' or their own, undiscovered, double standards?
The T 4 Sept 2015, 05:58
+3 -0
I would like these so called lawyers to be introduced to Rowdy Ronda Rousey. 2 minutes in a cage and I doubt ml Sharma will open his asshole again.
Guest 17 Apr 2020, 09:34
+0 -0
I heard Mr M L Sharma's views expressed in 2013 Newslaundry interview, yesterday.
Mr Sharma did have some sensible points to make. The interviewer as a journalist had a duty to explore and expose the issues deeply. Mr Sharma obviously does not choose and use words with sophistication expected of a Supreme Court Lawyer. Instead Sekhri took a high moral ground and let his prejudices show thru.
That may have been excusable in the charged atmosphere in months following the rape.

The rapists have been hanged now. Nirbhaya's (Jyoti) parents have expressed their sense of 'closure".
The whole of India has been agitated about this case /event for last 8 years. We forced the Govt to enact very 'tough" anti-rape laws.
But the rapes continue with as much regularity and ferocity: admittedly are reported with alacrity.
It might be very useful to now take a telescopic view of the whole case, and the legal social and human issues surrounding.
Nation Degrading 15 Mar 2021, 04:21
+0 -0
I just wonder why is the Bar Council of India so inactive about such lawyers.
There are lawyers who beat up other lawyers or accused criminals inside the courts premises.
There are also lawyers like these two bastards.
And the thing is they still practice law. Why doesn't the Bar Council cancel their license to practice as they are in clear violation of the Constitution of India and also criminals in the eyes of law.
Where is this country going? Why do we always 'adjust' and 'settle'?
Guest 10 May 2022, 04:16
+0 -0
This is so traumatic, what world do we live in.