A reader, who wishes to remain anonymous, sent us a missive yesterday about his / her reality of job hunting while at one of the younger national law schools. It rang true and was rather interesting, so I thought it was worth sharing (I see that more or less the same letter has also been published on Lawctopus independently).

Note - we haven’t confirmed the placement situation at CNLU Patna, but what is described does not seem far fetched, though it does need to be taken with a pinch of salt too - a lot of 2014 batch students, even at the ‘top’ NLUs, have anecdotally had a hard time trying to get jobs this year. Mostly, it seems to have been the economy and law firms cutting back considerably.

While Day Zeros for the 2015 batch look rather strong (stories here), I remember how tough it was trying to get Day Zero information out of the 2014 batches in 2013 (partly caused because everyone was panicking about the economy and scaring off recruiters by publishing their statistics).

Anyway, full placement figures for law schools’ 2014 batches will hopefully be out soon and we can confirm this.

But the moral of the story is the same as it has been for several years: There are a lot of new national law schools and private law schools popping up but not nearly enough jobs to go around in India. Here goes:

I am a 5th year student from Chanakya National Law University, and has been a regular follower of Legally India.

I recently saw your article on the recruitment figures of some of the top National Law Schools namely NLS, NALSAR and NUJS which showcased a splurge of job offers whereas on the contrary schools like RMNLU are doing their best to keep their feet just off the ground.

Thus in a fit of anger, frustration and disappointment, I am writing to you to let you know of the pitiable condition of these so called “National Law Universities” which are just surviving on the mirage glory of its “National” tag and every passing year screwing up (Pardon my language) the future of a plethora of students who are jobless not because they lack the merit or are anyway inferior to the other blue bloods but by the simple reason that their college administration are just interested in collecting their respective tuition fee and other administrative charges which includes installing lifts and air conditioners in the faculty chambers rather than providing qualitative faculty members or books for that matter in the library.

And this personal vendetta against students does not end right there, we have a 75% compulsory attendance in all 5 years including 10th semester, which basically rummages our chances to even secure a PPO since no firm would even get a a hang of who you are and what you are capable of doing in a 21 days internship.

That being said securing an internship in the first place is also a blind race for most of us, we make our own contacts (jugaads) and hope against hope that somebody in that firm/ organisation or institution notices us.

We the batch of 2009-2014 are graduating in June 2014, with only 2 people placed right now (if only you can call that so, because the terms of recruitment are subjected to a paid internship for 6 months with a promised stiphend of Rs. 15,000).

So much for studying 5 years in a National Law School. So much for taking an exam among 50,000 aspirants and making to a National Law School, So much for taking a student loan and promising your dad, that better days would come soon, so much for expecting that merit at the end of the day wins.

And Dear Law Firms, if you are listening, may be, just may be, we don’t belong to the top law schools, but it might surprise you that we might know just as much or may be more than those you recruited.

Maybe it’s time you come up with a recruitment policy that helps you pick up talents from all law schools, help us to help you to form a better legal fraternity.

Author’s follow-up note:

The entire reason for writing to Legally India was to make sure that it reaches the crowd. Every year the number of students taking CLAT are increasing, they are taking expensive crash courses to get into more expensive colleges with just one bare minimum dream- to make something for themselves.

At the end of 5 years, when they see all their batchmates getting through the not-so-great engineering colleges placed with job offers from TCS and WIPRO, and worse those few people who made it to the top 4 national law school holding job offers from foreign firms and contemplate their situation of having to pay off a lumpsome student loan without a decent job, or any job for that matter- it is the worst feeling possible, not to mention the fact that you feel incompetent and unnerved.

Though the damage that has been caused to our batch is irreparable, I hope this tiny attempt on my part, would probably secure few of my juniors a little upperhand in shaping their future.

Comments

Blah 20 Apr 2014, 21:06
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I feel you. I am from one of those "top" law schools, and people cannot imagine the kind of crap we get away with. So many people last learned something only for CLAT. They know nothing, but they get placed. They do nothing, but flow along with the success of some that do something. 100% placement records are incredible, in that they show that you've managed to sell your bad apples too, not that you dont have any.

It is extremely easy to pass out of the top law schools. People are rarely failed, especially on the re-test. Learning is mostly through extra-curricular stuff or your own interest.
Tough luck. 20 Apr 2014, 21:11
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Well, sure your life sucks (with no job and everything. Pardon the empathy (or lack thereof), no one has a flowery life). I fail to see what your rant is all about. It should have rather been addressed to "Dear Diary". From what I see is that you've secured an at least 800+ rank and couldn't get into the top three Nationals.

Now some perspective: 5 years back, the placements for the top three Nationals were pretty much stellar as they are now. 5 years back, the placements for the other national law schools were not so stellar, as they are now.

5 years back, people who got into CNLU and the likes (same tier colleges) and hoped to secure an amazing 'foreign' placement at the end of their study were clearly hoping for pigs to fly.

Point of the entire thing being that it is no secret that the top three Nationals are different from every other law school in the country. They are not the top just because they are Nationals. They are there because a lot of factors have played into making them what they are today. I will not for once agree that students at other colleges can easily outdo students at the top three Nationals. Well sure, exceptions are there, but hey, tough luck as they say. (I mean, NLS Bangalore won Jessups for heavens' sake. Give them credit!)

Also, sorry to burst your bubble, National Law University dude. Just cause you study in a "National" Law University doesn't de facto make you a student of an amazing institution. 5 years should have been enough to make you realise that the word National before the name of your college hardly puts your college on a "National" standard.

So now that you're out of college, it's time you make amends for not securing an upwards of rank 250 in CLAT. Since you didn't, it's time you slog your ass out for little or no pay and hope that in time your work shines and speaks for itself. Not your college, but your work.

Cheers,
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From a guy who scored Rank 833(I think?) for CLAT 2009 and didn't attend the top three nationals and now works 16 hours day, 7 days a week, for wages that dry up at the end of the month.

Life gets better. Eventually.
CNLU Alumni 21 Apr 2014, 04:55
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Go away Lakshminath! No matter what the students say and write, he is just not ready to move from CNLU. Occupying the Vice Chancellor's seat since 2006, is he going to be there till perpetuity?

What are you made up of Mr. Lakshminath that nothing makes a difference to you!?
The Writer 21 Apr 2014, 08:59
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@Tough Luck: Here's the thing. Please re-read and understand the entire reason why this article was written before you comment on it. When I came to this college, I was very well aware of my mediocrity, but I was not prepared for the most autocratic and biased form of administration that lends a deaf ear to all its student affairs. Further more, nobody is denying the benchmark that NLS or other top tier National Law Schools has set for themselves, what is being questioned here is the blatant recruitment policies of law firms and the make believe that the lower tier law schools are not worth a visit. That being said, it might surprise you, how well I have done for myself in these 5 years, and have tried my best to rise over the mediocrity of Clat scores, only to realize that the rankings would haunt me throughout my life. But then again you had to read the article and understand it completely to analyse these points. Sadly, that was not not case here.
xyz 21 Apr 2014, 09:58
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I can relate to the writer,
I went to a non-national law but top Government Law School in Pune,I have put up my education cost break up(CBU)elow to estimate Return on Investment (which is the first priority in acquiring a degree,second to knowledge)
College tution - 13000*5 = 65000
Living cost 5 yrs= 500000
books and other travel costs= 50000
TOTAL = Rs 615000
Note I was a non localite so my living cost was more
When I graduated I had 3 offers in hand,2 law firms and 1 company,law firms were willing to pay Rs 480000 and company was willing to pay a lakh or two extra.
I was unaware of any hype and can clearly say no one from my law school went to stellar foreign law firms,but everyone almost (60%) of the batch recovered their Return on Investment.
Instead of focussing too much time on national law placements,efforts should be made to create contacts and network professionally.All the hype ultimately helps only the top 5% and the rest 95 % are left in the dark with no particular information as most are from non-law families.
Remember law/politics both as a profession are ultimately family oriented businesses so for non-law people the journey is tougher but be strong and you can do it.
Also remember the difference between Inhouse/law firm and LPO and dont just choose for the sake of money.
4th and 5th year students must stay focussed and not get discouraged.
Market is bad so act smartly.
Pragmatix 21 Apr 2014, 10:22
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It is unclear why the writer is so angry. He / she knowingly chose CNLU despite full public knowledge that the institution (like many other new "NLU"s) were just hype and full of uncertainty. There was no obligation that giving CLAT means you *had* to join law. Yet you chose CNLU and now are understandably angry that placements are non-existent and getting a job is a bitch. Well this only proves that more groundwork / research is expected before selection / preference of a law college in CLAT and that a "national" brand does not guarantee a job. It also proves that there is some truth to some of the sarcastic comments on LI articles which poke fun of places like CNLU, HNLU, GNLU, and NLIU. All law colleges cannot and will never be on the same footing, just like some of the all india services like Indian Forest Service, Indian P&T Service etc. are no way equal to IAS or IPS. Welcome to the real world
The writer 21 Apr 2014, 15:58
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@pragmatix: What I fail to understand here is why is it so hard for readers to understand a simple point. This article (rather mail) though written in a very disgruntled state of mind was not attempting to hide the ground reality of the low ranked NLU's. What it is really trying to say, is that the college administration at most of this NLU's are sleeping and doing nothing to improve the situation, whereas the students are fighting for their career single handedly. Is this too difficult a point to understand?

When I joined this college, I was aware that this is not NLS and would never magically turn into a top law school in 5 years time, but what I did not expect was the recruitment figures going down from 15-20 in the first batch that passed out from the college 4 years back to 2 in the graduating batch of 2014. Whereas the figures show that there has been a considerable rise of job offers in the market.

All I am trying to say, is that the students are doing their part, they are trying to acquire knowledge through self study, they are winning moots and debates without adequate resources, they are building their own contacts and procuring internships- but there is a line that needs to be drawn, there needs to be a reward for this effort. Sadly, I don't know about most NLU's, but my college effort seems to be nil in that regard.

Phewwww!!!
Anonymous- for the sake of my job! 21 Apr 2014, 16:29
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I agree with the author in the fact that law firms NEED to look beyond NLS, NALSAR and NUJS. The only reason firms pick students from those colleges are because of their strong alumni base. It's a 'I'm from NLS, let me recruit from NLS' mindset. I work in a tier one law firm, and I have interacted with students from different colleges. No doubt the three colleges I mentioned have intelligent and hardworking students, but there are several others from not-so-elite colleges who just as good, but miss out on the job because they don't have college alumni in the firm. It is indeed sad to see AMSS recruiting 10 students (on an average) from the three colleges, and a mere 2-3 from the other colleges.
Firms, PLEASE consider the other colleges too. Judge the student. If you believe the NALSAR student is better, hire him. I have no animosity against them. But please don't hire dumbfucks (sorry for the language) merely because you like the college. From what I know, the 2016 batches in all these three law schools aren't comparable to their other batches. Below standard. There was a goof up in the CLAT 2011 due to which a lot of the good students went to other law schools. Firms need to keep in mind such things. I hope Kian publicizes this post enough for it to reach recruiters.
Anonymous- for the sake of my job! 21 Apr 2014, 16:30
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*is because of their strong
Anonymous- for the sake of my job! 21 Apr 2014, 17:04
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Kian, it is disappointing that you deleted what I posted. I was in hope that you would highlight it, not delete it.
kianganz 21 Apr 2014, 18:25
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I don't think it's been deleted - looks like it's still there...
DONT KNOW 22 Apr 2014, 05:50
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Dear Writer, just be strong and don't blame your failures on your institution, try hard. I suppose you are young and have some ability to struggle. don't just blame your college, you had option to quit after your first year in law school if you were really so serious about future in law. may be you can just work hard and reach the position which graduates from NLS's possess.
Law Firm Partner 22 Apr 2014, 06:37
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Basically all these NLUs traded on the good name and reputation built by NLSIU in its first decade or so of experience. In any other situation it would be passing off. These institutions were intentionally given names with National so that there was an association with NLSIU in terms of reputation and standing. Some of them like NALSAR AND NUJS turned out to be ok but many of them as expected turned out to be not so good. Even now the fact that students from these places call themselves NLUs is proof that they are still trying to pass off a connection with NLSIU and now that NALSAR and NUJS have done well with them as well.
Corporate lawyer and partner at law firm 22 Apr 2014, 08:04
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How come we didnt get any applications for the Patna school but from every other? We invited candidates through ads and arms length - no jugaad. We are hiring from other so called lesser law schools where we are getting amazing people. This is a rant.
The Writer 22 Apr 2014, 16:39
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Guys,

To all those who appreciated this post, thanks a lot. I really acknowledge the way, some of you even defended this article.

To Clat Aspirants 2014, please make a conscious choice will picking up a college to pursue your law graduation. Don’t get your hopes too high, this world is a cruel, cruel place.

To those who dissent: Here is the thing, I am in the top 5 of my batch, I have interned in atleast 4 law firms which feature in the top 10 of the rsg ratings and legal 500. I also got a call back from one of these firms, and though I wanted to extend my internship, I had to stick to the attendance guidelines and get back to my college. BTW one of my co-interns who interned there for 4 months, got the job, though I did get a lot of appreciation :) If that just felt bad, here is another one, I had to refuse an internship at one of the top 3 law firms in India, because a subject faculty refused to prepone or postpone certain presentations for a seminar paper. So yes, I think I did my part. If you ask me if I could have done more, I most definitely could have, but a little bit of support would have gone a long way
Random law firm associate 22 Apr 2014, 20:13
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@The Writer - Wow! If there is anything else I could ask for, it would as well be your head. (Your faculty/ VC just might ask for it.)
Pragmatix 23 Apr 2014, 08:38
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To all those who keep saying that law firms need to look beyond NLS, NALSAR and NUJS, the catch is why should they? As of now they are getting an assured quantity of good quality slaves for their sweatshops with no hitches. Why should they waste time to change a supplier for the sake of it (unless they really need 50-60 lawyers a year in which case the existing top 3 will not have enough students.)

Its like your mom buying fruit from the local fruit seller who has been there for 10 years. Why should she try someone else if she has no problems with the incumbent.
The Writer 23 Apr 2014, 15:17
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@random law firm associate: Will selling of my head pay off my student loan? we can surely strike a deal then :D
Amazed 1 May 2014, 01:53
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Why was a post that talks about the batch of 2016 being sub-par due to a 'goof up' in the CLAT 2011 kept while a comment that defended the said batch not even approved by the moderators?
I would like to remind Anon. up there that in the same here, the only goof up was apparent underlining of answers in *some scripts* because of which everyone got 8 marks or so, thus eliminating the goof up. I really hope his/her post does get that publicity as is wanted. I think our actions will speak louder than words in a comment on a blog on LI.
Ignoramus 24 Jun 2014, 09:34
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A strong alumni base is what eventually fetches good opportunities for every batch of students everywhere. The trick is to build on the goodwill of the alumni which is possible only if the institution actually cares for the students while they are in the campus and after they have left it. Of course, the teachers do matter, but the administrative setup also matters a lot in this quest. NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS did not become good all of a sudden. It takes years of effort for any institution to build a good reputation. It also helps the top three that they can attract the best (whether faculty or students) towards them. This just means that the effort to be taken by the other law schools would have to be even more to be effective and to make a good name.
Knowing and understanding own weakness is the first step towards eventual success; blaming others for own weakness is never a productive step. I do not understand the logic of the student from CNLU of doing internship for a long time to get a PPO. If it is only an internship of four months that will fetch a good PPO, then why should one get into a national law school which insists on 75% attendance? One can easily get a LL.B. degree from any number of ordinary law colleges which does not insist on attendance and spend the entire five years for that coveted PPO!
another victim 10 Apr 2015, 14:55
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i don't understand why some people are showing rude and arrogant attitude towards someone who is merely commenting on bitter reality and expressing his plight. Is the writer responsible for maladministration of college or ignorant attitude of companies. He may have made the choice under certain circumstances to join NLU but that does not take away his right to speech and expression.