Strange but latest placement stats show Nluo outperforming Nlud for 2024 batch! What are your takes on the same?

Pls find here the links detailing the placements of both the colleges -

https://www.livelaw.in/lawschool/news/nlu-odisha-graduating-batch-260417

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/rectracker-35-students-get-placed-from-nlu-delhis-batch-of-2024

hello everyone! i am a second-year law student (three-year law program) and I haven't interned yet, thanks to the shittiest ever course schedule of my college that leaves no time to intern while being a dick about minimum attendance criteria. i have been interested in criminal law, both academically and professionally but i know academic inclination and hands-on experience are two completely different things. i really wish to begin working in criminal litigation but i do not know how to, where to, and with whom to intern. i am based in delhi ncr and any insights would be immensely helpful and greatly appreciated. please let me know places and people in law to apply to, where i can learn the basics, visit courts, research and draft, and just delve into criminal law. thank you so much!

Well, its a good thing that youve arrived at a point where you recognise flaws in your own writing. I struggled with it a fair bit at law school. Back in my day each course involved a term paper and the most you did for any of them was read as much as possible, summarise and weigh up each argument against the other and very very briefly weigh in and say- this might be something to consider. Obviously that held little interest to me.

Things changed when I joined the debating club because we had to argue almost every issue from all sides from first principles, it really forced me to read widely and to flex some brain muscles and think. And training myself in that first principles thinking helped me write more argumentative and less descriptive articles. I would suggest you read They Say I Say or Understanding Argument- both recommended by a professor of mine- and practice arguing with as many different people as possible so you can hone those skills.

The next turn for me was reading empirical legal literature, law and society work, law and humanities work, law and economics work- very few people in India know how to rigorously do those things and learning that was difficult but well worth it and it took me from just writing new arguments to providing new evidence and writing fairly impactful things. This last- you might find your niche somewhere else- maybe its law and philosophy for you or something else. It is worth being open minded and exploring all of it.

You are on the right track, bud! You have identified the most crucial aspect of getting a blog or paper published: novelty. Here are a few things that I feel are helpful:

1) Novelty: The aim of your paper or blog should be to add something to the existing scholarship on the topic you have picked. Now, how do you do this? Simplest answer is "reading". Read everything and anything about it. Even papers that are not directly related to your topic but can be relevant from a particular lens. The more you read on an issue, the more your brain will form connections, and you will come up with your original thoughts.

2) If you are new to academic writing, do not pick very hot burning legal developments. Way too many people write on a monumental development in any area of law. Try finding something that hasn't been discussed a lot on several fora.

3) Minimise the descriptive part of your piece. I have reviewed articles where kids have simply paraphrased a judgement and used fancy words to make it seem analytical. For blogs, you only have around 1500 words. If your analytical part is mere 100-200 words, it's not going to get accepted.

4) Formatting: It gives a very wrong impression when kids don't even bother reading the submission guidelines of the blog. If the blog requires you to hyperlink sources (the ones you can), and you have put footnotes, it shows you have done a sloppy job.

5) Proof-reading: This is a no-brainer. If you can't do this properly, don't become a lawyer.

Lastly, just like anything else, remember that it is a skill. You will get better with time. Don't beat yourself up if your article is not accepted. Trust the process, you'll get there. All the best!

BIGGG!! NALSARhas recently appointed Gopalkrishna Gandhi and P Sainath as Distinguished Professors.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/nalsar-university-designates-gopalkrishna-gandhi-and-p-sainath-as-distinguished-professors/articleshow/111123363.cms

Gopalkrishna Gandhi, is the grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, former governor of West Bengal

(2004-2009) and a seasoned diplomat, served as high commissioner for India in South Africa, Lesotho, and Sri Lanka, and as ambassador of India in Norway and Iceland.P Sainath, is a senior journalist renowned for his extensive rural reporting and advocacy through the People’s Archive of Rural India, Recipient of the Ramon Magsaysay Award for Journalism, Literature, and Creative Communication Arts.

Now no one can compete with NALSAR because the grandson of Gandhi JI, the father of nation himself is with NALSAR!

How does LI check that everything being written here is truth? People accuse their bosses for everything but rarely provide any evidence. Without any proof one cannot publish defamatory content about anyone. Bring some proof while you post it here on LI, and LI will never take it down.

For example, a certain post from similar a practice area was never taken down because they posted screenshot of the email.

I’d gladly name some but a certain small law firm has terrorized (bribed?) LI into censoring all posts against them.

Shame on you LI, every young lawyer being tortured at this firm should curse you people for the censorship.

Just know, if they really tried, these small fish lawyers cant do shit against you. Let us voice our traumatic experiences here ffs

I am more of a "Rhodes type" than a "UPSC type". I just find this entire conversation classist, distasteful and complete disgrace. The problem with the NLUs is the spreading of this ignorant superiority complex. The bottomline is that very few of these private initiatives you love so much are possible without the public money and public servants that created resources for them. I have respect and gratitude for these things and what they made possible for me. If you want to sneer at them and feel superior, please go right ahead.

Didnt say mck was some virtuous thing- we all know it isnt. I said having the ability and option of turning down a mck job for something better- thats a more powerful thing than working four years at an exam that even if you pass, you dont have as much autonomy as you might think.

I'm not really keen on being dragged into an argument that compares apples and oranges. A good IAS officer might have impact- thats not the argument. The argument is that your ability to influence might be greater if you are able to be a montek singh ahluwalia or an atishi marlena rather than an Ashok Khemka. Both have impact- but one was repeatedly transferred- like 40/50 times because he tried to do the right thing- and that significantly affected the power he hand to change lives. There are constraints to an IAS job that a rhodes scholar doesnt necessarily have. Its not denigrating the UPSC to recognise the limitations of the job. One of my friends parents is an IAS officer and despite his own political opinions he has had to carry out the current governments political agenda which involves shutting down free expression and censorship- thats just what the job is.

There absolutely are people in this thread arguing that aspiring to the rhodes is an elitist snobbish bigoted (implied casteist) thing to do and that there is somehow more virtue to be found in being some "unsung hero" that is not there in being famous and still a hero. Growing up poor- i thought there was virtue simply in getting a job and working at it and paying taxes and helping the people around me, my dreams were somewhat small. And I thought that was somehow more virtuous than trying to be India's Bill Clinton- because I resigned myself to the idea that it would be impossible to break into that sphere of influence. But that was an adaptive preference, not a true choice. I was justifying my choices rather than actually being courageous enough to put myself out there and try and go for the gold. It wasnt virtuous- it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

The UPSC is accessible in that more people know what it is and how they could try to get in, but being successful in the exams and in your career still has many access barriers. If your parents cannot afford to support you for years while you do exam prep, if you cannot afford all the prep courses and materials, that is not equally accessible. And even if you struggle against that to get selected- you still might not have a very impactful career because you dont know how to play the political game right or because you might not have adequate protection from the political game because of your social status.

Given the odds, I think a young person in a law school in india today might actually have a better chance at the rhodes if they gave it a shot. Its not so hard to top exams at the university level or to obtain recommendation letters after internships, it might be a little hard to obtain information about the application process but most rhodes scholars are happy to share their knowledge with aspirants. You just need to pull up the courage to email them. When I was in law school, only one person found the courage to apply to rhodes and she got it. She wasnt top of class- but near enough (rank 6/7 if I remember correctly), she applied to internships in the regular way and earned rec letters and she hit the jackpot partly because she worked hard through the five years in law school in a dedicated way. Many of the people who topped then wished they had the courage to apply- they had the grades and the letters, but they settled for a bank job or a firm job or a litigation job because they were afraid to do this thing that seemed unreachable. Many more people didnt bother working hard through law school because they knew they only had to be in the top half to get a day z job and thats all they allowed themselves to want. In truth- i think ten/ fifteen people from my batch had the talent and capability to get rhodes if they had worked hard and been courageous and resourceful. Its shocking that even today, only two three people from each law school batch even entertain the idea of applying to the rhodes. Thats a problem, only if more people apply to the rhodes can the rhodes go to more and more diverse candidates. If you self select out- then obviously the pool of people who get it will not be as diverse. And calling people who value or aspire to the rhodes elitist snobs doesnt actually solve the problem.

In 2015, Sam's salary was 15L. It's merely 16L now.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/shardul-amarchand-mangaldas-offering-15l-fixed-fresher

KCO: 15.65

AZB and CAM: 15-17

Why haven't they increased the salary?

Why have they turned blind eye towards inflation?

Is there some sorta cartel?

Why don't more people talk about how low the fresher salary is?

About time they should start paying at least 20L considering the amount of time, intensity of work, inflation, taxes, etc.

I really think foreign firms should enter which will make these T1 offer higher package owing to competition.

Field of Law:

Corporate: SLS

Judiciary: Rgnul

Litigation: Rgnul

Alumni base:

Either

Mooting record:

Nice: SLS

Oksyish: Rgnul

Money:

Expensive: SLS

Inexpensive: Rgnul

Peers:

40-45% students are chill: SLS

20% students are chill: Rgnul

Other points to consider:

Attendance mandate.. lenient the better

Placement records.. higher the better

Internship breaks.. higher the better

Text the students on LinkedIn. Hear directly from the horse's mouth.

As state above. I am someone to whom fitness matters a lot. When I worked at KCO Noida office, I used to play badminton and some other sports regularly. My health mandates that I indulge in some fitness activity on regular basis.

I am about to join SAM Okhla office. I'm not sure if they've anything other than table tennis.

If I drop out from my 5yrs course after 3yrs with a ba degree only to pursue an LLB from a different college, will this put me at a disadvantage for jobs, besides from taking 1 extra year to graduate. I’m from a t2 state uni college in a t1 city. Haven’t really relied on my college for anything till now. I have done great internships that I’ve gotten through references and have a good cv. However I feel like I’m missing out on a traditional classroom experience as lectures in my college gets cancelled all the time, there is no attendance mandate, no college life and absolutely no academic rigour amongst my batchmates. Should I go ahead with my decision to make a switch so that I can learn the law and its subjects properly and experience proper college life once before I start working.

It won't happen. Or even if it does, the number of people that will be eligible for those green cards will be too high for the likes of Trump and his allies, they'll cry fowl, it'll stop and things will return to what they were before. See, for a practical example of this, the British story of immigration at present. Boris Johnson opened the floodgates, they attracted more international students than they expected and folks like Braverman began throwing fits about it in 2022 itself, crybaby appeals to which Rishi Sunak has, evidently, listened.

Huge if this actually happens. Most likely he means STEM and B School grads though...

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/they-return-to-india-china-become-billionaires-donald-trump-dangles-green-cards-to-foreign-graduates-5945587#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

Bump

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/rectracker-35-students-get-placed-from-nlu-delhis-batch-of-2024

@NLSIU 🤭

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