Having stayed in Bombay for the last two years, I can second that the experience only gets worse. Unless and until you own a place there, around 40% of your Tier1 salary goes in rent and other household expenses. My counterparts in Delhi NCR make equal amount of money but have a much much luxurious life.

1. If so, which ones?

2. Conversely, which law schools are sticking to high academic standards while grading?

3. Does grade inflation make a difference during placements or LLM programmes? Will a law firm or foreign university prefer someone with an "inflated" A+ in X NLU or someone with an "honest" B in Y NLU? Do law firm HRs and foreign university staff blindly look at grades?

One of the reasons I am asking is that I know a girl from a T1 NLU who had excellent marks in ICSE/ISC (which is a much tougher board than CBSE) and was one of the top students in her school. I expected her to go to Harvard or something, but her rank was in the middle and she went for an LLM at Warwick. She told me that she couldn't make it to better colleges because her grades weren't that high and the teachers in her NLU were very strict.

You are assuming that Jindal faculty and students are left-wing, but the fact is that the silent majority of us are centrist/centre-right/right-wing. We do not approve of radical left/woke politics. We are from regular upper-middle class backgrounds. We just want to get on with our studies, graduate with a good grade and do a good job. We also believe in family, marriage, kids, religion and patriotism towards one's country. You may call us bourgeois, but these are our hopes and dreams and shared by 99% of the youth in India. Please don't think Gen Z is different just because of a few toxic oddballs.

What a hypocrite you are? On one hand, you want diversity. On the other, you want people to know your language and you also want people to be from your part of the country? So, this rule of having a diverse population in an NLU applies only when the NLU is situated in TN and not for the north Indian ones, eh? You want your university to not have Tamil people only because you don't get to talk with them in Hindi? What sort of an entitled brat you are?

You claim to have monetary constraints owing to which you joined TNNLU. But then, you also seem to want to party. A person, who is not willing to spend ≈ 1.9 Lakh Rupees per year for education, wants to spend money on partying it seems. Look at your priority. And, no, we do not want a Pune Porsche accident kind of an incident to happen in Trichy.

Also, the university is ≈ 15 KM from Trichy Central. Do not exaggerate numbers to get attention.

In accurate list except for the following reasons -

1. Amit Kapur and his team can never be tier III (go do your homework)

2. Firms which are establishing their infra practice are being counted as Tier I equivalent

3. For some firms the partners specified are wrong.

4. Not every firm mentioned in Tier I indeed has a tier I practice

Tier I:

1. Trilegal - Neeraj Menon's group (Mumbai and Gurgaon)

2. SAM - Jatin Aneja's group (Mumbai and Delhi)

3. CAM - Subhojit Sadhu (Mumbai) and Jatin Sawhney (Delhi)

4. AZB - Anuja Tiwari and Mallika Anand (Noida)

5. Khaitan & Co - Shivanshu Thaplyal (Mumbai) and Dibyanshu Sinha (Delhi)

Tier I Equivalent:

1. TT&A - Ambarish Mohanty and Akshay Malhotra (Delhi)

2. IndusLaw - Arun Kumar (Delhi) and Deepak Chowdhury (Hyderabad)

3. DSK Legal - Anjan Dasgupta (Mumbai) and Aparajit Bhattacharya (Delhi)

Tier II:

1. Dentons Link Legal - Namita Das (Delhi) and Pushkar Bavare (Mumbai)

2. HSA Advocates: Hemant Sahai and Soumya Mallik (Delhi)

3. Phoenix Legal - Pallavi Bedi (Delhi)

4. Kochhar & Co - Pradeep Ratnam (Delhi)

5. Desai & Diwanji - Parth Sharma (Mumbai)

Tier III:

1. JSA - Amit Kapur (Mumbai)

2. Saraf - Avirup Nag (Delhi)

3. Luthra - Deepak Thakur (Mumbai)

4. Economic Laws Practice - Aakanksha Joshi (Mumbai)

5. Veritas Legal - Jhinook Roy (Mumbai)

6. Samvad Partners - Sitara Pillai (Mumbai)

7. Dhir & Dhir - Guranpreet Sarna (Delhi)

been there. i explained the situation to my mentor, with whom I had a good rapport, she told me how to phrase it such that it would sound acceptable to the HR. I followed her advice exactly, did not even get blacklisted!

Nobody is going to take legal action. Try to get a certificate for the time that you did complete, especially if it's a firm that looks good on your CV

They look for any circumstances beyond your control. Some possible examples could include:

1. Long-term illness.

2. Long-term impact of a medical condition or disability (e.g., your law school didn't give you reasonable adjustments to support with your learning, if you are a disabled person (like extra time/computer usage in exams), or if whatever adjustments they gave didn't facilitate your best performance).

3. Similar to point no. 2 above, some other circumstance out of your control relating to disability adjustments (assuming you are a disabled applicant). Let us suppose you are blind and given a copy of the Bare Act in an exam that isn't accessible to you/isn't in the right format for you, or suppose you had a scribe whom you'd practiced with previously but that scribe fell ill... things like that.

4. Impacts of geopolitical circumstances on your studies (natural disaster, maybe even pandemic lockdowns?) that were worse for you than for others.

NB: There is a presumption that extenuating circumstances were taken into account by your law school professors when evaluating your work. You'll have to try and rebut that presumption.

NB II: You should know that a number of the Russell Group universities in Britain have much harsher policies towards exam resits (when you fail the assessment/exam of a course and give it again) than their Indian counterparts. Whereas in many Indian universities (including the NLUs) they still allow you to achieve (in most cases) the highest grade in a repeat exam, while indicating on your transcript that you had given a resit exam, these British universities do things differently. If you fail an exam without extenuating circumstances, they make you resit it, but they don't allow you to achieve anything higher than the minimum passing mark. They call it 'capping' your result at the minimum pass grade. So if you think you can repeat an exam in which you did badly without extenuating circumstances and apply for graduate study in these places, you may want to think again, because when they see those repeat markers, they are likely to turn up their noses in such cases, thinking that those students had an easier time of it than their counterparts at UK universities (whether this is justifiable or not is altogether another question, I am just stating the realities here).

the hard truth that no one wants to confront is that there is undersupply of law firm jobs and oversupply of good law candidates

just do a simple calculation - if you add up all the placement stats and add 20% to it, the figure will not be more than 1-1.5k, that is the total intake capacity in Indian formal legal market with half decent retainer

nlus + top 5 pvt law colleges spit out over 4k graduates pa, apart from then on avg there are 50k fresh law graduates passing aibe from other colleges, taking 5% of that figure it gives us around 6.5k semi decent lawyers who may vie for that 1k law firm jobs.

its simple, we need to have a) reduce number of law college, b) provide stipend for first 2 years for young law gradutes who want to do independent practice insititutionalise nalsa, c) open up the legal market, d) encourage formation of legal partnerships and less independent practice, this will lead to concentratio of resoruces which can then be used to transfer the burden of stipend to them, e) allow lawyers to take a cut of the compensation in lieu of fees

bengal loves incumbency, for first 30 years it was congress or allied coalition

for next 35 it was left front

didi will be completing 15 yrs in power in 2026, she will win at least one more and then hand over to her successor in 2030, then whoever is remaining as opposition will win, so bengal will change in 2031 not in 2026

after that tmc will dissipiate like aidmk, he successor will not be able to keep the flock like dmk

most likely bjp will win in 2031 and then left will win about 10-15 years later

E-mail sent by the SJA to the students, faculty and EC Members: (Mod, please publish this, I have not redacted anything or made anything up).

To,

The Hon’ble Chief Justice of India,

Supreme Court of India, New Delhi.

also Chancellor, The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata.

Subject: Regarding the allegations of sexual harassment against the Vice Chancellor, NUJS, and expression of solidarity with our Associate Professor Vaneeta Patnaik

We, the students of the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences (hereinafter, “NUJS”), stand in solidarity with Associate Professor Vaneeta Patnaik in her legal actions against the Vice Chancellor, NUJS.

This statement is being made in light of the allegation made by Associate Professor Patnaik that she has been made a victim of sexual harassment and misconduct by the Vice Chancellor on several occasions between September 2019 and December 2023. She has reportedly faced delays in salary, denial of promotional opportunities and professional threats arising from her resistance against the Vice Chancellor’s alleged demands. The Order of the Hon’ble Calcutta High Court dated 22.05.2024 states that the local committee (‘LC’) instituted under the Sexual Harassment of Women at Workplace (Prevention, Prohibition and Redressal) Act, 2013 (‘PoSH Act’) rejected Associate Professor Patnaik’s complaint on the grounds of limitation. As the Order notes, the alleged acts of sexual harassment were of a continuing nature, commencing in September 2019 and the latest incident taking place in December 2023. The alleged incidents between December 2023 and April 2023 related to her detrimental treatment in the workplace pursuant to the alleged acts of sexual harassment. The LC did not consider the April 2023 actions as “sexual harassment”, and the Petitioner was not allowed to be heard at the Executive Council (‘EC’) meeting dated 21.12.2023, even as procedurally it could not have decided on merits at that stage.

We strongly condemn the presumption of falseness made regarding Associate Professor Patnaik’s complaints and deliberate attempts by the Vice Chancellor to circumvent the appropriate legal procedure by abusing his position of power. These alleged actions constitute blatant patriarchal exploitation and an attempt to undermine Associate Professor Patnaik’s respect and dignity at her workplace.

The NUJS Policy on Prevention, Prohibition and Redressal of Sexual Harassment, 2016 (hereinafter “Policy” or “NUJS Policy”), states that sexual harassment for the purposes of the policy may include unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favours, whether express or implied as well as “any physical, verbal, non-verbal conduct of a sexual nature when acquiescence to the same is leveraged against the individual’s employment, or involvement in University activities or interferes with professional or academic progress or creates a hostile environment in the University.” The same is supplemented by Sections 2(n)(iii) and 3(2) of the PoSH Act. It is appalling that the concerned PoSH Committee, as well as members of the University Administration, have been complicit in this oppression and do not consider such actions to be of a “sexual nature”.

Indian women have been systematically denied any acknowledgement of their experience due to archaic, outdated notions of what constitutes “harassment” or “misconduct.” The reiteration of such stereotypes in court proceedings is unacceptable. An arbitrary dismissal of the Complainant’s claims not only taints the principles that NUJS has historically espoused but also creates an unsafe institutional atmosphere and trust deficit for students, particularly victim-survivors of harassment.

Section 19 of the PoSH Act obligates employers to provide a safe workplace environment. The alleged hostility and indifference by the University Administration and repeated retaliatory actions undertaken by the Vice Chancellor against the complainant are unequivocally condemned by the student body. We also condemn the actions of other faculty and non-faculty staff who have allegedly subjected Associate Professor Patnaik to stigmatic, retaliatory and punitive actions.

It is necessary to note the blatant violation of the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences Staff Ethics and Code of Conduct (‘MCC’) insofar as the Vice Chancellor has endeavoured to abuse the power vested in him. The code of conduct requires a staff member to “Maintain absolute integrity and absolute devotion to duty, high ethical standards and honesty at all times.” It is evident that the Vice Chancellor’s actions in circumventing established procedures to quash the complaint against him, refusing to recuse from a committee meeting addressing the allegations against him, and making appointments without EC approval is a blatant violation of the MCC which cannot be sustained.

Considering that the meeting of the NUJS EC to decide the extension of the tenure of the Vice Chancellor is scheduled for 28th May 2024, severe and prompt consideration of the General Body’s demands is imperative to secure this institution’s future.

In light of the above, we make the following unconditional demands.

1. We demand immediate steps be taken to ensure that Associate Professor Patnaik is not further victimised or subjected to any harassment or hostility from faculty/non-faculty staff. We demand a thorough, unbiased investigation against the Vice Chancellor regarding allegations of sexual harassment and intimidation.

2. We demand the immediate suspension of the Vice Chancellor from his office and that he be prevented from undertaking any duties or responsibilities as the university's Vice Chancellor until his acquittal. We resolutely demand that he be disallowed from making executive decisions regarding the university and its functioning.

3. We demand that the minutes of the NUJS Executive Council meetings dated 27.11.2023 and 21.12.2023 be released immediately, along with an explanation as to why the EC failed to discuss the harassment complaint filed against its own chairman in these meetings. We note that the Vice Chancellor allegedly has already attempted to defer discussions about the complaint in the EC and refused to recuse himself from meetings regarding allegations against himself. In that, he has displayed his willingness to abuse the authority vested in him by the university.

4. We demand that the farcical and retaliatory fact-finding committee created by the Vice Chancellor against Associate Professor Patnaik be dismissed. We condemn the alleged actions of the Vice Chancellor and his close aides within the faculty for misusing the authority vested in the University’s administration to arm-twist and intimidate the victim and cause her aggravated suffering.

5. Finally, we resolutely demand that owing to a lack of confidence of the NUJS General Body towards the Vice Chancellor, coupled with the allegations discussed, no extension be granted to him for the position of Vice-Chancellor. We note that the Vice Chancellor has allegedly attempted to immunise himself against allegations surrounding inappropriate sexual conduct by abusing the authority vested in him as the Vice Chancellor and Chairman of the EC, and in doing so, has betrayed the trust placed in him as the head of an institution such as NUJS.

Given these considerations, we hereby wish to relay to your Hon'ble Lordship our collective decision to resolutely stand against the extension of the Vice Chancellor’s term at our institution. We also wish to relay our pain and disappointment with our institution for failing Associate Professor Patnaik so tremendously. We humbly pray to your Hon'ble Lordship to take note of the allegations of sexual harassment and institutional marginalisation and our just demands, which attempt to salvage not only the institutional reputation of NUJS but also the idea of a safe space for all students, victim-survivors and those from vulnerable communities in our university.

Thanking You,

On behalf of the General Body of the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences (NUJS),

(Signature) President and Vice President,

Student Juridical Association.

Pure play policy is somewhat of a made up name I created based on my experience working in the Indian NGO industry. Generally policy work not only included research but also marketing and networking for funds and PR. Pure play woke is found at large NGOs (Vidhi, ORI, CRY India etc) wherein you can focus only on the research and other teams focus on the marketing and PR.

Securing such work is difficult and generally needs good contacts or research at an international level.

Why shame on me? I ain't doing anything wrong.

I am asking for career guidance as to when I should switch and is llm worth considering amongst other things.

The fact that I did got the job in the first place is because I deserve it?

Furthermore, I did everything on my own, am a first gen lawyer, who are you of all people to tell me what to do?

but can you give some reasons why? interview is yet to be done. but yeah it'll take a LOT of convincing to get my parents to send me there. plus they all think Pune is a scum city at the point. I dont know what to do. also, loan scary. we already have a loan to repay so I have to be considerate

sls noida is nowhere near sls pune. However, pune is a much more expensive in terms of daily expenses. Even a 1bhk Unfurnished in viman nagar would cost around 20k (a decent flat). If you have a lawyer in the family, and if you have good connections, in my opinion go for SLS Noida. You can get a head start in terms of internship experience.

Hey Everyone,

I come from a decent college, still not able to find a job. I have tier-1 fims internships as well and that too they were without any reference but they are of no use now.

I am finding it difficulty to get into a law firm. Facing anxitey and self doubt every day.

I have interrest in Gen Corp and M&A idk what to do?

havent been to nls yet, but have been to both nalsar and nlud

once I was sharing a cab with a senior prof from nalsar for my first trip and she said you can go to sleep now, when you wake up after 1.5 hrs we will reach the campus

nlud story - i told a native delhi ips officer once that i will be going to nlud, he asked where is it? i told him its in dwarka, he made a face like its at the end of the world, but point taken about metro

Who among the NALSAR faculty is well known for their work in law and tech? I know two such people, one of them was a full time faculty at NLS. She has quit recently to do some research on her own, though she's still with NLS in an adjunct position. The other one is a full time faculty at NUJS. NUJS also has another good faculty in IT law, a senior professor.

None, honestly. NLSIU may have electives in the field, sondo other NLUs. But except CCG at NLU Delhi, I've hardly seen anyone working in law and tech. Prof. Scaria at NLS also had a joint project with IIT on LLMs (started when he was at NLUD). Similarly, he had a project with Max Planck on data governence vis-a-vis sustainable development goals. But those are really nothing like fancy projects that CCG does.

Most work, in this area, will be done by private universities. BML Munjal, Jindal and Sai University being prominent among them.

I think you guys don't know much. I have seen first hand an APO and PAtwari minting minimum 50-80k every month at least as a black money. Judge toh bohot upar ki cheez hi. I don't think you guys have even seen villages. You guys commenting Sitting in posh area of Delhi mumbai in a cubicle. Judge along with SP and Tehsildar is critical post ij a village. Itna bhi agar black money nah h why do people go for govt jobs when competition is so so tough nowdays and take risk of 2-4 years of preparation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VpDKDTaWw

TLDR:

- He says it's easier to achieve this if you live in cities like Delhi, Pune or Kolkata than Mumbai.

- He says FDs are useless

- He says need 2X passive income in addition to your salary.

The third point is interesting. Suppose you work at a decent firm from 25 to 40. Suppose you are earning 15 lpa average from 25 to 30, then 30 lpa average from 30 to 35, then 50 lpa average from 35 to 40. Then you need a passive income of 30 lpa average from 25 to 30, then 60 lpa average from 30 to 35, then 96 lpa average from 35 to 40. If you invest wisely, you're probably saving around 15-20 crores in all from age 25 to 40. Combined with family inheritance, one can raise it to 18 to 30 cr, depending on your family wealth. Am I calculating correctly?

P.S. Ignore the fake interviewer who says she is financially struggling and can't afford to retire at 40. Her husband is a super-rich TV and film producer. 🙄