People have got into good PhD programs from NLS. I'm not sure how you would be eligible for a permanent position there without a PhD so am assuming its contractual, in which case leave doesn't make a difference since you'd have to interview for a permanent position again anyway. You need good, credible referees for the PhD. NLS has plenty of those on the faculty, but if you're confident of getting the recommendations you need from elsewhere or even from NLS without joining, then take whatever will help you publish well and put together a good application.

How is NLS as a place to work? I recently interviewed for a faculty position there and the interview went quite well. However, I have now received an offer from another law school (not taking names, don't want to dox myself) and they want a quick response. Is NLS worth the risk of losing this other opportunity? I know only a couple of faculty members at NLS. Both of them are senior and they seem to be very disenchanted with the place and with the VC. But I was wondering if an early career academic like me needs to worry about their concerns. The one thing that gave me a pause was that NLS does not provide UGC leave entitlements, including PhD leave. I hope to apply for a Phd after a few years of working. Should this be a dealbreaker? Could others please weigh in?

No, those are good colleges, plus MH Cet opens up avenues for GLC and ILS (even more so since you are MS student), both equally good with great prospects. Better to stick with these colleges rather than trying for CLAT which is again a fluke. Considering the number of people giving law entrances every year, you can never tell if the result turns out in your favour or not.

Thank you, I know but it's my parents and unfortunately they don't understand hoe litigation works vis a vis more conventional professions they just see my salary in peanuts v others my age earning in lakhs .... :( I couldn't do corporate due to health issues and never knew litigation would pay this low at that time, though it's my fault for not educating myself on this at the right time.

LMAO OP, you are only 28!! you sound like you are 58! 🤣🤣🤣

You have your whole life ahead of you. 28 is pretty young in the legal profession, especially litigation. You are also young enough to do a regular MBA, rather than an executive MBA.

No, you don’t have any lost years at all.

Thank you for your reply. I agree with what you are saying, I love my work, the only issue is the payment and obvious taunts / societal perception that is getting on my nerves. I wish I had enough to shut everyone up. I know litigation will reap dividends eventually and tried explaining the career trajectory to my parents but I see why they are not satisfied. My office does have good clientile and I try to interact with who ever I can but could only end up with a few pro bono / low paying independent clients as I understand they dont want to pay a junior. My heart always was here, I never had any issue with the work, its just the low pay and gruelling hours which leaves me little to no time to try my hand at anything else. But thank you, will keep what you said in mind, I hope I grow like you soon.

This issue is not addressed often enough. Given the demand and supply mismatch in the legal profession, studying law in India now, given the high costs involved, is an economic suicide. And this is without accounting for the massive disruption in the knowledge economy being caused by the AI disruption. Litigation is also not a meaningful economic recourse for people from the first generation. It might work out in the long run, but we're all dead in the long run.

Or OP could venture into something more profitable and less taxing than law. OP, I know it's easier said that done but please consider an MBA- save every penny you make if you have to, but please please consider an MBA- lit is not for everyone and the sooner one accepts it the better.

PS: Just to add - don't fall for UPSC trap. It's no good. Especially when you're 27 already - your promotional avenues won't be much and by your late 50s you'd be cribbing about how you'd never be the DGP (or whatever) or end up in ego-driven seniority-determination-litigation. Anyway, it's a waste of time & effort. Litigation demands patience & hard work. Put that in, and hope for the best.

In litigation, do not measure your worth by the money you're making. The certificates, degrees, etc. also have no value here. There is only one consideration: do you add any value (to the client)? If yes, you will grow upward.

I wouldn't say there's no hope - contrary to what everyone else here seems to be suggesting. I know someone who was very unserious about life till early thirties (and, as a corollary, had slept through law school & didn't know anything). I don't know what happened, but one fine day they decided to turn their life around. Put in the hard work to build the skills. The main task is getting independent work. Tap into your network, try to get work. If you don't have a big enough network already, work on building that. I've said this multiple times on this platform previously - your network is your net worth.

You're 27. That's baby years by litigation standards. There's a long, long way to go ahead. Persevere.

1. On what are the bvp people doing - (i) dad's business; (ii) marriage if woman; (iii) LPO's and any other such semi-legal job; (iv) some handful of people have actually ended up doing something meaningful, there's one guy who's a PA at CAM, one guy sometime back joined vaish as associate, bunch of other people too who've joined well known law firms.

2. Advice to you from your college senior (if you're targetting law firms) - all these people who've got into some or the other law firm, they've all worked hard in college, need not be the batch topper but definitely well read and internships are a must, and by internships I mean relevant internships in your respective area of specialization and not any random thing that comes your way, quality and alignment with the practice area you're aiming for matters more than number. So if you stick to bvp, just make sure you do as many relevant and quality internships as you possibly can, just get this one thing sorted and you'll do fine.

Also, just fyi - the formula mentioned above remains the same irrespective of whether you're in bvp or sls or any other college.

Hey everyone, i have an upcoming internship with kco at the noida office. My preferences are competition team or gen corp team.

If anyone can give insights how either of the team are, callback and ppo scenes. And whether to go for the comp team or gen corp team for the internship....

Do you realise most people on this platform are law students? Haha. The level of anger and personal attack here suggests you need help. Perhaps graduating law school made you feel your opinions suddenly matter more, but bitterness rarely ages well. Hope you eventually find something better to do with your time. Good luck.

Loving it!!! Doing the opposite of what he is saying. Does anybody know if maybe Keir Starmer (the current British PM) and Sudhir were mates on the BCL together? After all, both did the BCL - can't remember off the top of my head when it is that Starmer did BCL. Maybe Sudhir is getting wrong inspirational feelings from watching him!

Hey everyone,

I have got an upcoming internship at trilegal gurgaon office but wanted to ask whether the gurgaon office has the competition team. As that is my 1st preference.

If not which office i should try to get it change delhi or mumbai office? Which office has more chances of callbacks and ppos?

Any insight on the same, would help me....

Hi everyone,

So i have an upcoming internship with kco for the month of june and i got it through my college IC and my 1st pref was competition law team and 2nd being gen corp.

I wanted to ask the callbacks and ppo scenes for both the team and which one should i opt for, any insight will be helpful.

Yes, thank you for these kind words. I get it now. I understand skills are often acquired, and there is no fault in trying to do something that's outside my comfort zone. I am considering a 3-year llb since I am already a graduate and I believe that in the coming 3 years I can change a lot and build confidence. Its just these societal norms that hinders me

Social skills & proficiency at language is important, yes, but these things can be improved. They're skills, like any other. You have five years at law school. Use it. To the person telling everyone to quit law because of lack of social skills or poor language skills - I strongly differ. Social skills are of utmost importance, followed by grasp over language. But not enough reason to quit law itself.

💯 TMC is really ramping up their legal team. He is the second NLU alum after Menaka Guruswamy to join the party. In addition, Kapil Sibal, AM Singhvi and Gopal Shankar Narayanan represent the party in cases. 💪

TMC is becoming the party of choice for NLU alumni.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVfhwpjEgbe/

Video of Menaka Guruswamy filing her nomination. Next to her is former Bengal DGP Police Rajiv Kumar and next to her is Arundhati Katju.

https://x.com/pooja_news/status/2029442952259579999

I think they will remain the same for the 27 batch, but only time will tell. Unfortunately, for campus placements, recruitment from law firms have tanked. Recruiters mostly come for in-house legal roles or random roles which have no relation to what you have studied for the past 5 years. However, if you want to move away from law, these may be a good option.

Better for you to try for a PPO rather than relying on college placements.

Am curious to check, if someone is using AI apart from helping with diligence, preparing simpler agreements (like employment agreements, services agreements, NDAs), legal research?

If so, please do share?

Also, please do share the experience with various prompts/instructions since that has a tangible impact on the work product.