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how much is the pay for associates? it the toxicity still same
Try with a senior, they are always looking out for young boys or girls to date.
No people don't earn that much, if your definition includes only the top 5% then don not use "almost all"
I have seen many seniors in my subdivisional court who are only run of the mill average advocates however they can still finance their kids education in abroad and are rapidly purchasing real estate with their fees.
Y'know why?
Because majority of the advocates in India (it pains me to say this) are below sub-standard-
it takes them years to learn some proper etiquette, court kacheri are the only thing they are used to.
Ask them about some basic legislation's core principles or any provision- they'll fumble on spot and mix something up with their regional language to confuse you.
Hell i even saw the ACJM in court room having a high blood pressure just because the advocate in question before the learned judge was citing a judgment that was detrimental to his case (but he was so sure this would make him win), the judge kept giving a pitying look to the accused's family and ultimately adjourned the matter out of sheer frustration.
These same advocates are the ones who, if they wish to, can ultimately tidy up the case and get it completed if they followed the proper procedure and used every available remedy provided by law instead of focusing on getting a next date just to suck hearing fees from their clientele.
Yet there is one thing which they do right, buttering up the right people and getting dirty to have their work done, their ties with the local bar association also make them relevant, as such their names are also spread which in turn brings cases to them.
The ones that are at least serious with the profession and also are armed with the legal acumen, aptitude-- do tend to have it hard in the initial years, but as they progress their reputation and experience grow beyond what you can imagine.
Two things must be cleared: first, someone who speaks the truth is not a snake oil salesman, and second, that not every litigator earns 20L per hearing. Perhaps, if you were kind enough to read properly, or maybe knew how to, you wouldn't have made that comment. ▮▮▮
Soon you'll be 40, struggling to get matters, battling with BP and Diabetes, you'll just be another middle class person.
In a highly nepotistic field like law where both bar and bench is a huge hurdle for a new comer, It's extremely difficult and not everyone can be AMS or Salve.
- third gen nepo baby ;)
Private - unlisted / private companies
Are there any tax counsels specialising in both direct and indirect tax in Chennai. Looking for opportunities to work for one but preferably a counsel who is open to have juniors
Which is better.
There are several comments made by the same person which have been marked as featured. You wouldn't know that because you have no knowledge of the same. You can keep barking whatever you want to
Based on my understanding,
Poovayya & Co, whilst not a chamber is a cha,ber masqareading as a firm and pays around 50k a month with intense work culturre but also good mentoring by senior. Manu Kulkarni in particular is a fanatasitc boss.
Apart from that Crest Law by Dhyan Chinappa is good with a pay aound 40k and good matters. Heard gpood stiff about his brothers firm spectrum legal headed by C
For the longest time, I believed that moot courts would be my anchor — my way of proving that talent and perseverance could speak louder than institutional privilege. I thought that competing against the best would at least help me be seen. But as reality unfolds, I’m learning that the victories that matter most in the legal world often belong to those from the National Law Universities. Their wins add weight to their CVs; their names carry recognition. Mine, despite effort and determination, does not.
It’s not that I consider myself exceptional — but what disheartens me is that I’ve barely had the chance to try. I’ve applied relentlessly, reached out to countless firms, big and small, yet rejections have outnumbered opportunities. I’ve completed courses taught by top-tier associates, stayed updated with recruitment trends, studied firm practices, and even explored new areas of law hoping to align myself with where opportunities might open up. And still, somehow, every time I take a step forward, it feels like something invisible pulls me two steps back.
It’s a strange space to occupy — to want so deeply to belong to a profession that feels so distant. But despite the fear, despite the exhaustion, there’s still a small part of me that refuses to give up. I just need to understand what the right way forward really looks like from here.
Saraf has been comparatively lenient and flexible, often to the detriment of discipline and accountability. And too much leeway has been taken for granted. When flexibility begins to affect productivity, and the overall culture of professionalism, corrective steps become unavoidable - be it any firm I guess. All the people working who are bashing the necessary steps should understand that leadership carries the responsibility of protecting the structure and discipline that enable the Firm to grow. So stop crying.
Maybe he is biding time to deliver the KOs to SJA and a section of the faculty on Oct 16. Once the EC let's him continue, which looks highly likely, the complicit SJA will do little. It lost the plot way back and since then never bothered to get its own house in order.
Students are sheep anyway. Give them a new variety of grass, and they will chomp away. Both SJA and NKC know this.
And it really doesn't matter which place is apparently cleaner or more hollowed out than us. Our fees and engagement in this univ demands a certain min standard. Anything better is always welcome and desirable. But the min needs to be there, sustained and raised. That has been sliding since PIB took over and yes, students must also share the blame.
Getting so called strict or disciplinarian teachers aren't silver bullets. Certainly we can start with stemming the rot at the top and the swirling cabal of maggots. And there isn't inherently virtuous in being NLU or foreign educated. Atrociously illiberal things can be perpetuated through the liberal.
Also if I can have you in the present, can you please explain why there is no paperwork supporting the SJA claim of Rs 7cr deficit allegedly caused by the financial mismanagement of NKC?
Equally important why was no inquiry conducted or action taken against the teach who almost caused the univ to get blacklisted by the NCGC? And what about other EC inquiries against her?
However, if you're spending 12-14 hours a day for 5-6 years in a single profession, no way are you going to remember everything, sometimes even the basics.
For example some property lawyers remember only sections related to property in criminal acts, but ask them details about other crimes they can't recall. You ask a professor whose an expert and specialises in environmental law, they would remember environment related provisions in the constitution but may not remember details about the election commission or finance commission. Similarly some tax lawyers know nothing except tax related matter.
In short, the more of an expert you are the more you'll have tunnel vision. So it's either a generalist with basic known on everything or a specialist with a extreme depth in few subjects.
That's why every legal field requires and is heavily dependent on "prep" time. From judges to lawyers to corporate to teachers, everyone needs to go through stuff again and again as and when required.
An example exercise would be, without searching, think how much you remember about Government of India Act 1935 or about the Analytical School of jurisprudence.