CAM competition team doesn't mind. Last year this investment lawyer jumped from NDA to cam competition.

But cam competition doesn't even come close to SAM, AZB & JSA. These firms also wouldn't mind if you're A1 coming from tax background but you need to perform extraordinary in your interview for them to give you A1 position in competition team. If you're looking for A0 position, you've nothing to worry.

The problem is not the system of government, dear fellow. As such, the solution also cannot be one system over another. For every China, there is a North Korea.

Now there are many ways to respond to your argument. Suffice it to say, the underlying assumptions of your query are simplistic and fundamentally incorrect. Education and intelligence do not exist in vacuum but are in constant interaction with the social norms of a society. What it means in practice is that intelligence and education, on their own, cannot overcome the problems of corruption as sanctioned in public life. As it happens, what you suggest is already in practice. Observe the educational qualifications of those in All India Services. They are all well educated and are more than intelligent enough to not only clear a competitive examination but also engage in policy-making. Yet here we are. For all their brilliance, they are no more immune to the social norms of the day than the rest of us. Claims of their efficiency are debatable and evidence of their integrity non-existent.

Your division of the society between the “illiterate”/“backward” and the “best educated” also fails to take into account that no society can exist for long, much less be governed well, when divided so explicitly into haves and have-nots.

India’s problems are largely structural. Until its political economy becomes competitive and until a majority of its citizens become capable of competing in that economy and thereby making it self-sustaining, there will be no incentive to change the existing norms of patronage and naked tribalism and hence no difference in governance will be made, regardless of who leads it, whether an economist with a Ph.D. or a monk from a temple.

Name a few then... Moreover tech law,. especially data related does have good scholarship even from SE Asian and African countries. It's just that Indian legal scholars are following herd mentality and just limiting themself to IPR. Also, IITs would not research the legal aspects of AI or Tech, that's where we are supposed to step up. Even IITKgp is focusing on IPR.

It's well known that a lot of these software, including turnitin, have false flagged on genuinely written pieces as well, and that has resulted in many legal suits as well. You can check out America universities in law suits on this issue. Moreover their new AI identifying tools are much more worse. So, I don't blame people, if they want to confirm whether it will false flag or not.

Hey,

I attempted judicial service exams after graduation without working in any law firm alongside. I missed judiciary very marginally. So now I neither have judiciary in my hand nor law firm work experience because of which no law firm even tier 2 one is willing to recruit me as an associate. What is the way ahead for me? any suggestions? How do I get into any law firm? or should I just give a 2nd attempt of judiciary exams this year? I graduated in 2022 and been sitting at home preparing since 3 years and I am already so hopeless

Apart from central universities like JNU, DU, BHU and IITKgp, almost all universities across India are providing LLM for one year. Majority of the current batch of assistant professors are also teaching with just one year LLMs. Yet the SC may decide that one year LLMs and foreign LLMs are not entirely enough. This would definitely impact NLUs the most and then Jindal, BITS etc. The loss would be that NLUs will then only be able to receive TLC LLMs as asst professors for a few years, and foreign studied faculty will be zero. They will have to revert back to 2 year LLMs or else majority who want to teach will not join one year LLM.

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-suggests-bci-to-hold-stakeholders-meeting-pleas-against-teaching-experience-requirement-for-one-year-llm-holder-283660

Having grown from a doe eyed intern to a red-eyed seniorish associate, I can confirm that I have definitely seen a change in my own perspective of the demands of a workplace (law-firm) - sometimes we do have to work till late in the day due to client deliverables ,deadlines etc., the junior associates are expected to do the grunt work...its cost effective for the client and junior associates will also learn by getting into the depths of everything etc. So what I thought was unreasonable as a junior, I get the logic of the same practice now.

On this page however I keep reading that certain teams / lawyers are toxic - but what action or behaviour amounts to being toxic? It would be good if young lawyers / students provide their understanding of toxic behaviour so that it can be understood (by me and other seniorish associates) how reasonable / excessive the complaints are.

I am also curious to understand from interns - what practice do you notice in a month long internship that helps you form such solid views about a firm, practice, lawyer?

Pay at most / all IP firms is deplorable at best. Salaries have stagnated because the IP market is extremely crowded with too many firms, and the crème de la crème IP work is not evenly distributed amongst all IP firms. As undercutting is rampant in the IP market, fee schedules of law firms don't see upward revisions as often as one would like. Therefore, unlike corporate law firms, IP firms' revenue does not see significant YoY growth. Consequently, the associates are not paid much because the partners will (understandably) not part with their lion's share.

In the same breath, when market leaders like Anand and Anand, Saikrishna, Fidus, Singh and Singh, etc. don't revise fresher salaries for several years, the baseline gets set at rock bottom. Smaller firms pay even lower sums, amounts which are unfit to be labelled as a 'salary' -> it is more akin to a 'stipend'.

The situation is grim and unlikely to get better anytime soon. The Tier 1 firms that have IP teams pay marginally better (save for Trilegal and AZB who in my limited knowledge pay at par with their corp. associates). I would strongly recommend that you specialize in laws that pay better (unless, of course, you are not concerned with pay).

Oh it's not just us that are guilty of this, even them! In their efforts to twist themselves into unrecognisable shapes to suit fads in their own country, you will hear a (thankfully small) minority of British white folk who will bend over backward to loudly proclaim the ills of colonialism. And yet at the same time, you'll also see empire apologists who will not acknowledge the actual bad stuff about colonialism, so you definitely can't complain about lack of viewpoint diversity! The trouble is, their schools don't teach them in the history classes about colonialism, so people form what fragmented views they do form from their own research (whose quality can vary greatly!).

WOW!!! This is such a courageous thing to say!!! Just remember!! Treat the downvotes as upvotes!!! We got such a fucking chip on our shoulders about the British (saying it as someone who lives in Britain and who is from West Bengal + hates both Mamata Bannerjee/TMC and BJP) that it is a joy to see someone, at last, thinking rationally and not just engaging in utterly random condemnation. Mods, do your worst - mark as trollish, unpublish... I don't care - it will just prove my point!!!

I mean... can you believe this is an Indian city??

https://www.reddit.com/r/kolkata/comments/1im3haq/colonial_calcutta_collected_pictures/

Hey,

I am a BBA LLB graduate from Symbiosis Hyderabad and I graduated in 2023 July and since then I had been preparing for judicial services exams and to give it my whole-hearted and undivided focus and attention I didn't join any law firm job alongside. I attempted judiciary exams of 3 states only once and missed all of them very marginally. Now I neither have work experience so that I can join a law firm now nor have judiciary in my hand. So now I am waiting to give a 2nd attempt of the judiciary exam but I am now also thinking of preparing for regulatory body exams. But I am scared what if I don't clear these? What's the way ahead for me? Any suggestions please? How do I get into a law firm now so that I am working besides preparing for regulatory body exams?

I now think judiciary was a bad decision. I have been sitting at home for the past 2 years and I now feel like a loser with 0 work experience as none of the tier 2 law firms are willing to recruit me as an associate because of lack of work experience while my batchmates are getting promoted from associate to senior associate. What do I do now I am so clueless. Please suggest me something good....

The major part of intern's work load, at sir's office, consists of legal research and if you are lucky enough you might even get your hands on drafting. You are expected to attend court everyday but there is some flexibility with it.

In my opinion it is one of the most welcoming and enjoyable offices out there. You will get to learn so much and interact with these brilliant people with unmatched legal acumen. Interactions with lordship themselves are a wonderful experience. This is an opportunity that I believe one should definitely not miss.

All the best!!

Some points to keep in mind:

1. You'll have to check availability for the month you're considering, as judicial offices get a tonnes of applications. So make sure to apply a month or two prior. If you're applying too late, then are you even serious about your internships?

2. You'll have 3 other interns with you (contingent on you being selected).

3. The work given there is not a piece of cake, you'll have to do onerous tasks of research. Be ready to do elongated research which can be stretched over for whole month just on one specific proposition or a particular section. Though you'll be given ample time to do your research, but it's expected from you to ask for more work so that the law clerks aren't overburdened.

5. You'll be mainly interacting with the law clerks there who'll give you the research propositions. If you happen to apply and get selected in the near future, then you're definitely lucky cause they're all sweet natured and will always be there to make you learn new things. More than that, the law clerks have tremendous clarity of the work they're doing, and an ocean of knowledge, so don't try fooling them :)

6. One of the best part about Sir's office is that he interacts with the interns often, unlike any other Supreme Court Judge. He'll have discussions with you, and ask you about the experience in the Court on particular days, because he always encourages the youth to learn more.

7. The internship is one month commitment, and you'll have to be present in the Office almost everyday. The flexibility to attend college presentation and vivas depends upon the urgency of work and the number of days you'll need off. So do not expect a chill environment where you can just ask for so many days off, cause again, you're going to a Supreme Court Judge's Office, so act like in.

8. If you get through the application process and make it to the interview round, then just be honest.

9.

Please do anything to assuage their fears even if it means that you need to execute some sort of a legal contract. Set out the terms & conditions to their satisfaction but please GO! This is your chance at life. Educational Institutions matter, Alumni Matters, networking matters, PLEASE just go.

First, sit your parents down and talk to them properly. No shouting, no arguing—just make them listen. Start by telling them straight up, “I know you’re worried about me leaving, but I need you to hear me out before you decide anything.” Make sure they agree to actually listen.

Now, hit them with facts. Tell them exactly what’s at stake. A Tier 1 law school means top jobs at firms like CAM, SAM, AZB, where people start with salaries of 18-25 LPA. If you go to some random local college, you’ll be lucky to even make 3-5 LPA. That’s the difference. It’s not just about money—it’s about opportunities. If you ever want to study abroad, do an LLM at Harvard or Oxford, or even crack judiciary exams, your college matters. Judges, top litigators, law firm partners—almost all of them come from NLUs. If they make you stay back, they’re shutting the door on all of that.

Now, let’s talk about the real issue. Your parents aren’t worried about your education, they’re worried about what people will say. Relatives have fed them nonsense about girls going out and getting spoiled. You need to shut that down immediately. Tell them NLUs have gated campuses, strict hostel rules, curfews. This isn’t some party scene. You’ll be surrounded by India’s best law students, not random people with no ambition. Also, bring up examples of girls from your city or community who went to NLUs and are now successful. Show them proof that their fears are baseless.

If they still don’t get it, hit them where it hurts. “You were so proud when I got this rank. You know how hard I worked. And now, because of some relatives, you’re throwing it all away?” Remind them that you’re their daughter, not some random girl from a story. If they truly trust you, they should trust your decisions too.

If all else fails, get someone they respect to talk to them—a teacher, a lawyer, a family friend. Sometimes, parents listen more when the advice comes from an “experienced” person instead of their own kid.

And if they still refuse? Make it clear this isn’t over. Tell them you’ll take a gap year and try again next year rather than settle for a bad college. Tell them if they force you into this, you’ll never forget that they were the ones who ruined your career. They need to understand that this isn’t some small decision. This is your future. If they truly want the best for you, they need to stop listening to outsiders and start listening to you.

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Very shocking because this is a very common practice is the US… many law firm partners do it ….has also been becoming popular in India.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/after-donald-trump-diktat-deloitte-orders-workers-to-remove-gender-pronouns-7687680#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

apart from financing, clients want comfort for infra disputes - Anuja neither does project financing nor the disputes side of infra. Teams at Trilegal, JSA, SAM, DSK do the 360 degree infrastructure and energy practice i.e. M&A, development, financing, disputes; which makes it miles ahead of AZB.

In this regard, AZB and KCO have tier 2 EIR teams and the entire market knows it.

Ive seen many people publish their papers on some very good platforms with contemporary issues and judgments. How do they stsy so relevant when it comes to writing on such contemporary topics? I ve always found it difficult as to how to start writing research papers which coupd get published on platforms like blr

I am preparing for interviews but making notes, especially seeing as to how vast everything is in the General Corporate area of practice please suggest some website or certain videos one can look up to brush up their knowledge before interviews. Please do not come at me by saying that I need to read up the law straight up, I know I do. It's just when someone does not have the time to go through them alongside work.