Dear would-be law student,

(Ermm‘Teenie weenie’ died of over-use)

A few days back, I got a call from a would-be law student’s dad. When he was done with queries regarding the college, the things his son would need, placements etc. he handed the phone over to his son who I could make out, reluctantly, only reluctantly, took it.

The conversation ‘Hi’, he said. A reluctant Hi, mind you. ‘How are you’, he said. A reluctant greeting again. The chap was nervous. I was amused. But then a very sure question from his mouth, surprisingly:

“How is ragging”?

“You don’t need to worry about it at all”, I answered smiling.

“5 Point Someone”?, he asked.

“Sorry”?, (I didn’t get him).

“Ermm…Have you read Chetan Bhagat”?, he clarified.

“A bit”.

“Do the things mentioned there happen during ragging”? he asked. The kid was keeping me in good mood. I was amused first, I had smiled before and now I laughed.

Five point someone The thing is this: if you are going to make ‘The Five Point Someone’ a Bible for deciding what constitutes ragging, you better be an atheist. Read five point someone for a perspective on ragging and you are a ten point loser. I don’t care if you adore Bhagat or think he is trash. I am not concerned. I am concerned about ragging. Why so serious, son?

Now, I am going into a little pedantic mood. Excuse me for that.

What is not ragging? If a senior asks you to sing a song, dance, do a pole dance etc. and you consider this to be ragging; you’ll be ragged.

Now, this is not ragging. This is interaction. Positive or not; I don’t know. Some would say it demeans the junior. Not really. If it does, then you and I are being demeaned day in and day out by various stakeholders. Being demeaned then should be a habit by now.

So here is the verdict: interaction (read singing, cat-walking, pole-dancing) happens and a ‘reasonable’ person ought to take this in his stride. How and why? Read on.

Psychology Understand the psyche of such seniors. I did psychology till grade twelve. Even if you haven’t should have heard of ‘peer pressure’. These seniors want to be cool and a part of the ‘in-group’.

Secondly they are playing ‘tit-for-tat’. They were made to do to such things and thus they make you do it. They are playing with you. Just like your boss will play with you. Just like he’ll make you do menial tasks because he was made to do menial tasks when he was not the boss. But that is it. Most of them don’t want to harm you.

Strategy Now, be reasonable. If you are asked to sing; sing. If you are asked to dance; dance. They aren’t judging you for a competition. So don’t be conscious or shy. If you feel uncomfortable, do it still. Life makes you to do a lot many uncomfortable things, anyway. These are little, innocuous things. Just do it. Get over with it.

Another thing: feign sycophancy. Pretend that you can boot lick till the boot is shiny (just kidding). But still, be humble. I mean pretend that you are a humble guy. Do this with your seniors as you will have to do this with your boss. Don’t be cocky. Cut the red, upright cock’s plume for a while. Cut down the volume of the cock-a-doodle-doos. You will be fine.

Taking a stand Do I support this sort of interaction? No. I am all for having fun for a while, getting to know each other and then helping the junior out. But yes, some people will demean you, through words. Let them go on and on. You don’t listen.

*“Sticks and stones may break my bones

But words can never hurt me”.* Sticks and stones? No. And yes, no one can dare use sticks. I know gory stories that happen. These are sad, and very unfortunate. Its great that a great many voices were raised and action taken. But please don’t take these incidents to be the norm. Nobody will get physical. They won’t even touch you. You can take me on my word.

What if they do or try to do so? Most probably they’ll be stopped at the ‘trying’ stage. And even this is a one in hundred cases or less. If they do hit, don’t hit back. You’ll be sacked as will be your senior. It is a lose-lose situation. Instead complain to a senior or the warden. And complain it as loud as possible. Like a wounded cock. Fear no one.

The senior who did hit you (took you by the collar?) or tried to do so will be punished real bad. Some 20 thousand rupees fine will be slashed, letters sent to his mom and dad or even an expulsion. He might even be put in a correctional home. I mean ‘Jail’. And people hate jails. All thanks to the rules on ragging have really hardened in the last couple of years.

Its fun. Really. Someone may ask you to ‘moot’ on some problem. That happened to us. It is a law school, after all. I also did recite some Hindi poem when I told them that by hobbies included poetry. And yes, we were made to do some Indian army style marching, some Western pole dancing. All this was fun.

Some of those ‘raggers’ are now very good friends. And regarding sticks and stones and ragging, I’ll leave it to Chetan Bhagat. That happens in his books. Not here. You know, he needs some masala for his books. Just kidding.

Yours reassuringly,

LegalPoet

PS 1- The recent definition of ragging is very wide and includes causing mental and psychological harm etc. Someone in IITD tells me how their seniors ran away from the first years fearing that they might accidentally rag their juniors. Ha! Food for thought for Bhagat.

PS 2- I think that is about it for this series? Or do you have any topic in mind? Please do suggest.

Some related posts

17 things that hit you in an NLU. How to prepare.

ABCs of an NLU. A is for Adjusting.

Comments

srini.2091 19 Jun 2010, 18:40
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awww.. Now, I know. This is what 'positve' interaction means.. :P
debkanya naskar 19 Jun 2010, 18:44
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hey thanx... helped me to cool my nerves a bit... nice advice.
LegalPoet 19 Jun 2010, 18:45
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Hey Srini! You read the post so fast? I was busy editing...
LegalPoet 19 Jun 2010, 18:48
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Am relieved it did...after all it was 'reassuringly'.
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 18:55
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Must say...u rock!
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 19:05
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maybe mine will not be a popular perspective, but i firmly believe that the singing/dancing/poledancing bullshit is both demeaning and unnecessary. if i have made friends with seniors in school and outside college WITHOUT this 'positive' interaction, it is stupid to assume i need it to make friends with seniors IN college. itmay not lead to any permanent damage, but it is still disrespecting personal space for no good reason.


i have far more respect for the seniors who refrained from this.
LegalPoet 19 Jun 2010, 19:13
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Yes it is disrespecting. And I agree to this. But it is something which everyone should be capable of handling. "Some would say it demeans the junior. Not really. If it does, then you and I are being demeaned day in and day out by various stakeholders. Being demeaned then should be a habit by now".
LegalPoet 19 Jun 2010, 19:17
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And I never say that ragging essentially leads to best friendships...it is just that it can and does lead to on many occassions.
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 19:22
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Very nice post! I remember being really scared when i first entered the hostel. Its the fear of the unknown that psychs you out the most, not knowing what extent of humiliation, if any, you'd be put through. Had i known that stuff like punching and caning and other horrific incidents were strictly out of bounds..i wouldve been more at ease.
Legally Lackadaisical 19 Jun 2010, 19:52
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I get calls from prospective students too. As soon as they open their mouths, a sudden, peculiar, sadistic urge builds up in me. Is it normal?
Anonymous guest 19 Jun 2010, 23:31
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i disagree that it is demeaning. ive been made to sing a song and dance both, but the atmosphere is always such that you can make out its all in good humor, no one ever tries to harm you or anything, unless of course, you begin acting arrogant and cocky. and it DOES help break the ice, there is no denying that.
and most seniors at law schools do remain within the limits, you need not worry bout that. the eccentric ones are controlled by his friends themselves :)
law school is fun, so is the initial interaction (no sarcasm intended)
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 00:35
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What about at the top places, like NLSIU, what constitutes "positive interaction" there?
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 01:38
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@legalpoet---Is this the story at NUJS??
Well, anyways, I really dont find anything wrong wid dis sort of "demeaning" as someone said...Tis just a pole-dance and some singing both of which I am very bad at,so,probably I will be stopped as soon as I begin!!!
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 03:10
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ya we at NLUs do no more than "interaction".... and the juniors gets in return a full fun freshers, DJ night 2 remember till the last day of ur life, grls may find their prince charming and a friendship which will remain with u even after u have left the law school.... njoy frehers we seniors just need a bit co-operation from u for ur betterment....
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 04:34
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Just Curious.. What happens if I refuse to 'positively interact'? :P
srini.2091 20 Jun 2010, 18:51
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@ Legal Poet
This was one post which I had been waiting for since, my name appeared in the merit list.. So, I rushed to LI to read this, as soon as I saw your update on Facebook.. :D
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 04:24
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Poet, I remember making you moot. I think the "problem" was on late delivery of a food parcel and your refusal to pay for it. Glad to know you enjoyed it too.

But why do you give these kids a false sense of security? Why don't you tell them how about 15 students were almost killed when we made them pee into the cess pool and dipped a live wire in the pool? How about the certain real life version of Bihari Babu whose sweaty shirtless hug caused a mini Bhopal tragedy to some Teenie Weenies last year? How about that time when Chetan Bhagat's coke bottles were used, only with the difference that they were smeared in Chilly paste? What about that time when we made them work as rikshaw pullers for a full week? What about that boy we made go to Sona Gachi at the middle of the night to get himself some action?






Kids, just kidding. None of these ever happened even in my wildest nightmares. Law school is fun. Make friends with your seniors. They matter a lot, even more than most of your teachers in law school. If you are spoil-sports who cry when asked to sing, your seniors will just leave you alone, which means you miss out on the most important part of the learning experience in law school.

One point Poet has not addressed is the case of seniors offering you alcohol, cigarettes, etc. It is a fact that these are consumed by many in the law schools. I think it is a matter of personal choice. There are just one in a thousand cases where you will be asked to smoke/drink as a part of the interaction. If you are offered and do not wish to accept, please make it clear in unambiguous terms rather than crying about it later. No one is going to hurt you because your habits are different from theirs.

Good luck for law school. Great work poet.
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 04:29
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@15, your seniors will let you be. Most of your batch mates will also find you a cry baby and not want to mingle with you. It is seniors who can help you with moots, career planning and anything else that happens in law school. Also, when you pass out it will be the same people who will be immediately senior to you. So I suggest you keenly look forward to the positive interaction.

This is not to suggest that you should go along with an interaction that is not "positive".

As the Great One has said in his post, the standard is that of a "reasonable man" (a guy who you will keep meeting often in the course of your study of law. And law does not recognise a "reasonable woman" as the same would be an oxymoron - just kidding.)
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 04:47
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Legal Poet, you have this knack of putting across the exact sentiment and emotion in precise words! Your posts reflect such a clarity of mind (which is so rare! )I always feel at peace when i read your posts.
Looking forward to many more...
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 06:34
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@17, woooh.... i really got scared after reading your first paragraph,but thanks to the follow up , i was able to calm down my nerves.
LegalPoet 21 Jun 2010, 21:05
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Thanks a lot guys. I am glad that the post helped.

Has anyone got any topic in mind...for this series?
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 21:28
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Just curious. Does this "positive" interaction transcend gender? Do the guys get ragged by the girls =P ?
Anonymous guest 21 Jun 2010, 23:12
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heyy legalpoet, u can do a post on moot courts , it's selection process and any politics associated with it. U could also share your own experiences in this regard...it wud be really intersting nd btw i'm REALLY proud to be at an institution wer der r seniors like u ... we surely hav VERY large shoes to fill in..
Fresher NALSARite 22 Jun 2010, 02:05
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Wow!!tnx every1...it was relaxing...gud 2 know abt d fun filled environment dere at law schools.....

(tnx also now dat i can come prepared wid a few dances....wich i m nt particularly gud at!!!!!)
Anonymous guest 22 Jun 2010, 03:41
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Same question as 22. Do the guys get ragged by girls ?
Anonymous guest 22 Jun 2010, 05:02
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@22, 25,Nothing serious. At most they ask you to go to girls hostel at the middle of the night, strip you and make you go knocking door to door pleading for some action.

In your dreams... patience guys. no short cuts to senior girls. And its not like the weighted sex ratio [...] is too high that senior boys will take lightly to transgression into their territories.
Anonymous guest 22 Jun 2010, 06:35
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@26 Isn't the scenario mentioned serious enough ?
Anonymous guest 22 Jun 2010, 18:10
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@27, I said "IN UR DREAMS"
LegalPoet 23 Jun 2010, 00:37
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22, can happen in group sessions.

23, I don't moot. Am sorry.
Anonymous guest 23 Jun 2010, 03:50
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@Poet Sessions ? Do u mean seniors or going to have multiple sessions of ragging with us ? A session makes it sound like some planned event. And group sessions ?
Anonymous guest 23 Jun 2010, 20:57
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yes kids "sessions". We have already gone through the CLAT results in detail, prepared our charts of who is going to rag whom when and where and ragging teams have been formed. After you pay the fees and get your registration done, one of the seniors will give you a copy of your positive interaction schedule for the semester (for the second semester, you will get a new schedule depending on your performance in terms of entertainment value this time). Follow it to the letter and you will have fun... at least we seniors will. FYI, the chart of tasks and games as well as the dress code for the kids is ready too.

All that is left is adding rotten eggs in the cess pool. There is lot of time, we will manage.

We have invited Chetan Bhagat to deliver a small talk before the first Session begins. Nice chap, seems to have some progressive ideas on positive interaction.
LegalPoet 23 Jun 2010, 23:30
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hahahahahaha
Anonymous guest 24 Jun 2010, 15:16
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Poet, why not a post on a "reasonable" non-mooter's perspective on mooting?
Anonymous guest 25 Jun 2010, 02:31
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Mild ragging - or 'interaction' - is not something one expects to have to deal with in an adult environment. People who join law firms are not typically ragged in their first year. The fifty year old dude who joins GoI as a minister of state is probably not ragged either. What entitles a 20-year old dude to rag or 'kid around with' an 18-year old dude who joins the same college?
Some sort of informal hierarchy?
DB7-HS17 25 Jun 2010, 04:55
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@ 34: Sorry ... didn't mean to offend you in any way!
It's just that I believe Legal Poet is trying to bring out similarities between life after law school and the ragging in law school! It should not be construed in a rigid and literal manner! I would like to add that 'Positive Interaction' is merely a way of getting to know each other, and in most cases, ends up being just that. And as LP has pointed out, some of your best friends among seniors in Law School turn out to be those with whom you have had some form of 'Positive Interaction'.
@31: ROTFLMAO!!!! We should indeed get the cess pool ready!
@ LP: Great Job once again, bro!
LegalPoet 26 Jun 2010, 01:14
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33, will try! But since freshers would be on their way, hitting the roads...I think it might be a bit late.

34, that they are young and that their concept of having fun is different from a 50 year old.

35, Thank you DB7-HS17...weird name :P
Anonymous guest 27 Jun 2010, 02:43
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Just to make things clear, this is how the Kerala Prohibition of Ragging Act 1998 defines ragging under its section 2 (b): "Ragging' means doing of any act, by disorderly conduct, to a student of an educational institution, which causes or is likely to cause physical or psychological harm or raising
apprehension or fear or shame or embarrassment to that student and includes-
(i) teasing, abusing or paying practical jokes on, or causing hurt to, such student; or
(ii) asking a student to do any act or perform something which such student will not, in the ordinary course willingly, do."
To make it clear, 'positive interaction' of the kind Legal Poet has suggested will NOT be tolerated.
Under Section 4 of the above Act, the penalty for ragging is fixed thus: "Whoever commits, participates in, abets or propagates ragging within, or without, any educational institution shall, on conviction, be punished with imprisonment
for a term which may extent to two years and shall also be liable to a fine which may extent to ten thousand rupees."
It is proposed that ragging will be made a cognizable and non-bailable offence by an amendment to the Act which will be moved next week.
NUALS follows a zero-tolerance policy towards ragging. I am there and I will be watching.
Best wishes to all those who are joining NUALS. You are welcome here.
Nightcrawler 28 Jun 2010, 03:03
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Er..
Yeah.. YOUR blog

Awesome truly

I am amazed as hell!
Where do YOU get this sort of maniac writing which latches onto our nerves and releases only after an hour or two.

Excellent Writing. I WILL love that sort of ragging.

Omg.. I am excited as hell.

Did i say u rock?

P.S.- Change the pic!!!!!
LegalPoet 29 Jun 2010, 01:47
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Thanks a ton.
Which col are you joining?
And why??? Why should I change the pic?
Nightcrawler 3 Jul 2010, 02:29
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I am in Twelfth

Technically I cant jump into a Coll. right now

Next year for sure

Oh the pic is good... but.. but... something better to support your name!
LegalPoet 3 Jul 2010, 02:32
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Shakespeare...Whatz wrong? The pic has been a loyal mate. I don't think I'll do away with it now.
Nightcrawler 3 Jul 2010, 18:20
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that was only a suggestion mate :)
Anonymous guest 3 Oct 2010, 05:54
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@12 i am a first year at NLSIU this year and after reading this post, i can tell you that the stuff happening here can no way be regarded as ragging. no singing or dancing (unless you are willing); the seniors absolutely rock!!! i remember the very first night when i had to go for dinner to the mess (which is near the senior boys hostel btw), i was literally trembling. i went with a group of 7-9 freshers and we were pleasantly surprised to find that the seniors were really friendly; they talked a lot about how life in NLSIU is and it was helpful.
if you act politely and not be cocky, they will really open up. now, after three months, i can really say that i belong here (without going through the ritual of ragging).
Guest 12 Jun 2011, 14:09
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i really hope you are right. there was my friend who went to nliu and he said seniors asked him to come to their rooms at 10 pm and leave at 3am and at weekends 5 am .......that would not be "positive" in my dictionary because i get seriously ill if i don't get proper sleep ..there are two sides of the coin that i have heard people talk about and now its only hope and pray that i can do and find it out myself ..... for the love of god please be right T_T